Zoom Livetrack L12 Aux Send Effects Workaround Tutorial | by Koolteeth1
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2018
- In this tutorial I show you how to use the headphones out on the Zoom Livetrack L12 like an aux channel for send effects as like on other mixers.
I am not a native english speaker so don't be too harsh with my mistakes...
It's not a Workout it's a Workaround :D
Used were:
- Shure SM58 Mikrophone
- Zoom Livetrack L12
- Nikon D3300 Camera
- Korg MicroKorg
- Lexicon MX200 - Hudba
man your english´s not the best but I was looking for exactly this for some time now. Thanks for sharing this
Funny how English people often tell others their English isn't that good while they don't speak a single foreign language themselves :)
@@Ni5ei indeed it’s funny, I think alike. Not only English but northAmericans even more. I’m from southamerica , Spanish is my main language
why critisizing his english? Are you seeking to fill an emotional need? Or is it just a sign of a weak self? Everything is comprensible, so there's no need for your first half of the comment. learn how to live, beyond speaking english: you're so unpleasant.
E for effects. Nice lol. Yeah, you got it. Works fine and you explained it well. Thanks for sharing, it should help some people out.
Thank you ;)
I am glad to hear that it is well explained allthough I am making many mistakes in the english. :)
Nice job, very clever and helpful!
Thx man! I really missed my external fx. I didnt check if it had that option, i thought it was standard on every mixer. And panicked when i realised it. You saved me (y)
Nice, you're welcome!
thats a great workaround, thanks for sharing man!
You're welcome!
I was searching for a option to connect my compressor(external) to my zoom LiveTrak L-12. The way you connect the effects unit (lexicon), so the way l can do it with a compressor. I take you so much for this video. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
So what you have done is create a WET/DRY signal set up. Very interesting 👌🏾🤔
You're welcome! I do the same with my dbx166xs compressor. And you could even make a mixdown this way to regain channels.
@@KoolteethDeBlog this is very good tutorial. so if you add the compressor you just have to series connect it to the lexicon ? tnx.
@@retsmej thx for subscribing! Either connect it in serial or record compressor out to two channels (or one if mono) and then send it to the Lexicon or any other device. Now I am using a patch bay which allows to be most flexible.
compressors shouldn't be connected like that. they need an insert point, not an aux send. compression should be applied to the whole signal. that's why you will not see a wet dry knob on a compressor. sadly there is no insert point on the L12. nothing stopping you from using the headphone mix to send the full signal to a compressor while muting the original uncompressed mic input for the main mix. then the return from the compressor can go into a brand new channel which you can send to the main mix (but, obviously muted on that headphone mix). one thing to remember though is the microphone input on a channel will be model, but the headphones mix jacks are stereo (TRS). so if you want to keep the mono signal (which you should) when you plug in to the headphones jack, there are two distinct 'clicks.' the first one is mono, but plug it in all the way and get the two clicks and you'll be getting stereo... and in the case of a microphone signal, that just means the signal going to the outboard gear will be halvedb and your noise floor will increase
This was super usefull!
You're my hero! Thank you so much for posting this helpful tip. Liked and subscribed!
Wow, cool, thank you! Actually I won't release more tutorials on the L12, because I don't have anymore unknown stuff to add. 1 con about the L12 is the missing option to record more than 1 take to a track without loosing the previous recording in standalone usage. Zoom won't help on this... So maybe if you know a work around for this, make a video! ;)
@@KoolteethDeBlog i haven't received my livetrak yet but in the manual it is said that we can use a pedal to add punch-in/punch-out recordings on the already recorded track... (Zoom FS01 pedal)
Hi @@johnjohnpetterson8428 , I don't use a pedal with mine but today my setup is quite different. I got a patch bay so now I can easily record more takes on different tracks. Think about this: you cannot record different takes of one track. Each recording overwrites the older! You could rename the files each time, but you have to use a computer for this.
@@johnjohnpetterson8428 okay, you mean additional recordings? I have to check this out, but it is not known to me...
kickass trick right here thank u
Thanks for this kickass comment :D you're wellcome!
Very helpful
Very helpful. So, why you connected output to 1 and 2 and not 11/12? On 1-2 did you "set" left and right by internal effect Pan settings?
The effects can be stereo or two mono out, so I want to keep them seperated and not on one track with one recording option.
this is great. is there any way to use the unit as a full on dub mixer? with all the headphone outs, that gives you the potential for 6 fx total including the built in, no? how would you set up the routing?
Maybe, technically the same but all into 1 FX seems to be tricky without a patchbay. Even then you would have to record each dubby delay seperately to several inputs on the mixer. I bought a patchbay and since then my routing issues are less complicated. I made a small video on this in the tutorials playlist.
I DO like this video ;)
Hi, next week I'ld like to get a L12. I have a question, I play a series of synths that are processed, via a mixer, by the korg kaosspad, which comes in and out with two stereo channels. Since the zoom has headphone / monitor outputs that can be mixed differently from the master, it is possible to send my machines into the zoom, recording them individually, then exit the headphones, go through the kaosspad and re-enter the stereo channel and record in unison. also all processed, without going into feedback? thank you.
If I got you right, it should work the way you described it.
this is great ! can i send it also to a limiter , right ?
To everything! ;)
Hi Mate, congrats for the tutorial :) Unfortunately my english es very basic to understand with clarity. could be you make a drawin or picture ? I would greatly appreciate it. saludos from Santiago !
If i hav l 12 do I need preame or audio interface for better sound?
There are gains on each tracks, also compression. But if you want to record a guitar or mic I would advice a seperate preamp. The L12 is standalone or audio interface so you can record on a SD card or directly into your pc.
very nice
Thank you!
Well done friend! this routine does not even exist in the zoom manual. Thanks (I hope it is also valid for L20)
Thx, too
The problem I'm having is how to create an effect loop with an external effect into my DAW without getting feedback. I can send the audio out but as soon as it returns to my DAW it goes back out to zoom again and feedback city...
Actually I cannot help you because I never used my L12 together with a DAW. But it sounds weired. Maybe s.o. else can help?
Hi man, i have and external Guitar pedal effects, the Strymon Blue sky. It has a left/right input and left/right output. I try as you explain but it doesn't work to me. Could you help me please ? Thanks
Hi Massimo, I used a left/right in and left/right out fx rack, too. For the L12 to FX cable you need a stereo cable with one plug on the one side and left/right plugs on the other side. Then for the FX to L12 cables just two seperate ones, one for left, one for right. Just as in my setup. It should work! Am I wrong?
Hello, I have a livetrak l-20 zoom, I wanted to know if it happens to you too, practically when I play just one track its volume increases, why?
Hi, not to me, but maybe some other #zoomlivetrack users experience the same? My only advice is to check out firmware updates, get the newest or switch back one version or just restore the newest if it might be broke... And another Idea is, but I don't know the L-20 functions, there is a compression on the Master which is pumping all or just this one track as you mentioned?
does this apply to L8 as well
Same trick should be possible on L8. You will only have A-C, though. Make sure selector is not on master, then set your mix scene for whichever A, B, or C. And, you will need to steal a channel or two of input, just like here, leaving very few for other things.
(No "E" for effects nor "H" for humor on the L-8, so maybe not as great. hurhurhur.)
this is very helpful, I knew this was possible, but wasnt sure how to setup. i like having this option, so thanks for showing us. I was most concerned with my mic channel so this is perfect so I can record mic wet.
You're wellcome, thx for your words!
Hello, this is exactly what I am looking for. But it doesn’t work for me. The wet signal doesn’t sound right (I have it going through a guitar phaser pedal). Also, if I turn up the wet signal track on the master, it distorts immediately (like I am about to blow my speakers). I was have tracked bands in pro studios before so using auxes and outboard effects is normally easy stuff for me.
As a test, unplugged the balanced cable out of E and plugged it into the output jack of a simple music player, with the output of my phaser going onto the livetrak. It sounds fine. But when I connect it back to the E headphone out I get the problem I originally stated.
No signals are clipping either on the master or E headphone mix.
I am running firmware 2.14. I just bought the unit a month ago.
Btw: I am using livetrak 12
@@SamsSoundscape have you tried out one of the other mix outputs, like a to d? And check out that on the output the blue EFX RETURN fader is down. Most often the problem is a forgotten fader or volume knob in the mix bus. Hope this helps!
And check the volume of the E mix out, what you are describing sounds like the distortion from a too loud signal. Try to find out the proper gain staging level.
Lol. I had a brain fart. It was the button that says master for each headphone jack. It was not pushed in (though you clearly stated to do so). Thanks.
for connect a loop pedal to this mixer could be the same way?
What gets out does not care where it gets in and back again. I think this works with every external in an out device, with a loop pedal, too.
@@KoolteethDeBlog thanks bro
Get to the choppa!;)
WOW!
Merci!
so: coming back from the effects unit (actually I have also a Lexicon MX200) to a stereo channel....the downside is that you´re getting short on audio channels anytime you´re doing this right? even more if you pretend to use more effects on different channels...
Correct, this is definetly a disadvantage of the livetrack which on the other hand could be solved by a firmware update: if you could save more than one file to one track or save to virtual tracks or at least rename a file, then this problem was less anoying. I wrote zoom several times and they replied they would do sth. Maybe you could do so, too ;)
Guess you can send the stereo split to two separate mono effects should you want to. That would save up some channels.
@@KoolteethDeBlog you can use a small mixer (connected to one of the stereo channels) for effects returns
@@gctechs right, you could use everything but there is no need to buy a second mixer for fx return when you do it my way. Actually I am using a patch bay now so I do use my trick to merge tracks to one (not the master).
Thank you for the video, it's possible have more send return or just one?
Hey Lb, late answer: I never tried out more than one, but I'd say you can have mix out a to d as send channels seperately.
Hi Dr.Tom hattest du den Mixer auch mal am PC angeschlossen? Gruß Marco
Hallo Marco, ich benutze den L12 nur im Standalone Mode. Aber natürlich hast du viele Probleme nicht, wenn du den Mixer an den PC anschließt.
@@KoolteethDeBlog das ist auch nicht so einfach, zumindest hab ich irgendwelche Treiber Probleme, naja wollte den sowieso hauptsächlich ohne PC verwenden aber mit den ganzen Kanälen und dann noch in der daw, das wäre schon sexy
@@marc3o3 , kann dir da leider nicht weiterhelfen. Im Endeffekt ist das Teil wegen dem Rekorder perfekt für den Einsatz ohne PC. In Verbindung mit einem USB Stick und der SD Karte lassen sich auch mehrere Takes eines Mixer Tracks aufnehmen und wiederherstellen. Einen PC braucht es dann nicht mehr. Beste Grüße und viel Spaß beim Mukken ;)
@@KoolteethDeBlog ja da hast recht, bin bisher sehr zufrieden, Effekte sind auch sehr brauchbar, Danke für die Antwort, dir noch nen schönen Abend
How to record can you shaw me please
If you're looking to use in ear monitors, avoid the Zoom L-12. It's not possible to set up separate EQ settings for the in ear monitor mixes vs the main master mix. This is an extremely poor oversight by Zoom. I hope they release a firmware update to address this. I'm looking to sell my L-12 and get something better for this reason. They advertise it on the premise you can set up 5 separate headphone/in ear monitor mixes, but it's next to useless if you can't have different EQ settings on each track in the monitor mixes than the main mix.
Yeah, there are some disadvantages with the L12. I do think there won't be anymore firmware updates, sadly.
you're mistaken. the L12 has five monitor mixes that allows you to have independent settings of EQ and the onboard EFX engine. I think maybe the factory firmware didn't allow this but the first thing you should do is update the firmware to 2.0. you can use them for any or monitors or stage / floor wedges. you can even route the signal through outboard gear and back into an open channel giving you in essence 5 AUX sends.
@@nickloss2377 In response to your reply, first of all the 'monitor outs' are HEADPHONE outputs NOT line/aux outputs, so they're not suitable for connecting to wedge monitors or a wireless in ear monitor transmitter as they are the wrong impedance. Plus they're stereo, not mono outs. They NOT proper AUX outs like you'd get a better, more expensive mixer. You're therefore going to run into issues if you try to connect them directly to wedges. The more expensive Zoom L-20 address this issue by having a switch on each monitor output that allows you to change each monitor out from a headphone output to a line output so you can connect to wedges, but the Zoom L-12 is NOT suitable for this.
As for the EQ, you CANNOT EQ the 5 headphones mixe differently to the main master mix. Try it for yourself. It does NOT work. You can have different mix levels etc in each 'monitor mix', but the EQ settings simply default back to the same as the main master output. Sorry to break it to you, but that's the truth.
The Zoom L-12 is ok for recording and rehearsals with headphones, but it is NOT a good live mixer for a proper band for the reasons I listed above. I used to kid myself too until I realised the limitations. I sold my L-12 and upgraded to a Behringer XR-18 tablet controlled digital mixer, which is not that much more expensive than the L-12 but runs circles round it.
sorry for the late reply.. I don't usually get notifications from youtube. number one the five headphone mixes can be routed via the right breakout cable. and no, I'm not talking about a stereo TRS to 2x mono TS cables (which is often called a Y- cable, but is the equivalent to a generic insert cable..). I didn't go into detail because the comment did not require details. I said it could be used. what you need is a proper splitter making use of a resistor network in one of the splits. With this, and if course a DI to take care of the impedance differential, you can easily power stage wedges.. route that signal to a DJ mixer for use in their separate DJ monitor input. or you could route to outboard gear, then back into an unused channel on the zoom...
also, maybe you sold it before getting more experience on it, because I am easily able to get unique monitor mixes with separate eqs, and efx from the master mix. there is actually a button on those monitor mixes that you press down and it defaults to the master mix.. that should tell you that when it's depressed, obviously it's not going to be getting the same Master mix.. it's telling you that it's getting a separate mix from the master..
there are a few things I don't like about this mixer.. namely being it's pro tool connectability seems to be wonky for me. the lack of a phase invert button making it necessary for yet another accessory inline with the mic when dealing with multiple mics. Lack of digital (AES or SPDIF) master output which would make it so much easier when linking to multiple mixers or a FOH DSP/matrix.
Also the choice of metering is bullshit. I'm color blind and I think their choice of green and reds are just a low blow for all colour vision deficient audio engineers.
it's still a functional mixer.. you don't have to be an audio engineer to think of workarounds from their limitations. but all the limitations you've listed are easily addressed with just a little bit of research and experience.
this is a great mixer to get you through in a pinch.. it's great backup to my Presonus SL32SX.
PS: I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they have "upgraded" to anything made by Behringer... no offense but you might not want to repeat that statement to audio engineers! you should check out the Yamaha DM3. not much more expensive than the L20. lower Channel counts but it has a nice big digital display for people to easily understand what they're doing
@@nickloss2377 Sorry but many professional musicians use the Behringer XR series of mixers - these are in no way 'budget' mixers, they are serious, pro level pieces of kit. Don't be fooled by the Behringer name or confuse the XR mixers with their lower end stuff. I upgraded to an XR18 over a year ago and sold the Zoom. The XR18 etc runs circles round the Zoom L-12 in terms of features and sound quality. It was more effects (plus up to 4 simultaneously), proper aux outs with customisable mixes for IEMs or wedge monitors and the main PA speakers, 18 channel USB interface, full MIDI control and a whole range of other features that the Zoom mixers just do not have (even the Zoom L-20 is nowhere near as feature rich as the XR18). I think the Zoom LiveTrak mixers are fine for basic level use - recording, jamming through headphones etc - but for proper live use they can't compete with the XR18 etc. I not sure you can have separate EQ settings on each headphone mix on the L-12, only stuff like levels, panning etc I believe. But it's a whole load of hassle having to use different types of connectors to convert headphone outs to line outs. But it depends what you're using it for. The L-12 is fine for home use, perfectly fine. If you need more features, the XR series of mixers is the next logical and affordable upgrade.
Good thing you have a map...just in case you get lost.
I do get lost all the time xD
I think the latest firmware has fixed this
Fixed what?
@@KoolteethDeBlog Sending effects through the headphone monitors
@@chroniclesofbap6170 that's right, but the tutorial is on how to use headphone outs for external fx like the Lexicon MX200 on any track and any instrument without changing cables.
@@KoolteethDeBlog Ah, sorry bro I missed the point then.
No problem :D
Your video would be much more enjoyable if you didn't smack and breathe into your microphone like that. The tone is also much too bass heavy. Sorry for my bad English and I hope I was able to help you with the advice. 🙃☺
Thanks, I am fully aware of what you say. That's why I rarely do tutorials :D
e is not for fx e stands for the fifth headphone send
H is for humor and I only know the L12.
Now is clear. I was confused by the 5th one too
Jesus can't they just add aux sends?
They should definetly!