Woodworking Tips: Router - Versatility of a Panel Saw and Router Combo Machine
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Woodworking Tips: Router - Most people think you can only use a panel saw to crosscut sheet stock. Today in the workshop, though, George Vondriska demonstrates some of the handy woodworking techniques you can employ with a combination panel saw and router machine. You can crosscut and make repetitive cuts on large sheets of plywood like you would on a miter saw, and create perfect rabbets, through dadoes and stop dadoes like you would with a router.
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i bought mine in 2015 based on this video. It is by far the best shop purchase I have made! The easy switch from saw to router allows us to do all our dados, rabbits, even fluting on big and long pieces. It has kept its alignment and performed flawlessly right up to today! If you are considering a panel saw, you owe it to yourself to investigate this one!!!!
Great job, thanks for that.
Great videos keep up the goodbwork
LOve it. Too bad for my occasional woodworking it's too expensive. But gave me some ideas... Keep up good job George. Thank you for video.
Nice job George, didn't realize that this could be so versatile in the shop. I believe this could be something that could be built at home in the shop with a little work.
Nice video. Great tool if you have the room. I had to go with the track saw because my shop is small.
Quite a great idea. Well done.
I use dust collection because my nose is so sensitive I would get a blocked nose and not able to breathe all night.
I like the way you transport the sheets by yourself. I have a cabinet maker friend he designed a sheet pivoting table to carry large sheets to the panel saw. I have grass in my backyard so I made a trolley with phumatic tryres and I cart my wet cutter and brick saw with it. I will add some base to carry sheets vertical.
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Perfect job, definitely space saver for small shops like mine . It is also much safer than table saw and router table because the blade is at at the opposite side of the user
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Very cool, good review. Wish I could afford one, I may attempt to build a crosscut version, my circular saw could drop right in.. without all the other bells and whistles
Very good info I need on of this panel saw in my shop I'm smashing my like botton kaboooooom
very good machine !!! Might you tell me where to get or how to make the laser guide ... thank you very much
Its a great piece of equipment.
Where can i buy exactly the one you used?
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Nice presentation George. I could definitely use that. Now only if I had the cash and the room for it. (sigh)
Be great for a cabinet shop. A little out of my price range I'm afraid. Good video though George. Thanks
Please anyone link me to a very good build video for a panel saw!
Very appreciated!
Wouldn't it be awesome if CNC routers could be set up like this and have the ability to use the saw, router, or a laser engraver all in a space saving set up like this.
Take my money!!!
where did you get that upper ledge for the panel saw
Were those thumb screw threads so off-centre that they wobble when tightening?
Could do this with a circular saw and hand held router, just not as convenient for repetitive cuts. Good investment if you need to cut 4x8 goods on a regular bases. Cool if the router attachment has a CNC option but that would knock the price out to another galaxy.
True, but you can also use a hand saw and a chisel as well. Yeah, it's a balance between volume, convenience, and price.
nice explanation, BUT there is one other reason for the riving knife, ESPECIALLY here (vertical saw), that is : it stops the wood falling on the back of the saw blade, and the resulting kick-back hazards.
I've been on many forums, tried finding more information on this topic:
Should I get a track saw or a panel saw?
This largely comes down to how much space you have and what you plan to do with the saw. A panel saw is fantastic for breaking down sheet goods quickly, accurately and efficiently in a highly repeatable fashion, but requires a larger investment in money and shop space. Track saws excel at portability, cost, and space efficiency. So, what is best for you depends on which of these factors is more important.
I'd like to build one...
This is the same way we cut lumber at Lowes :)
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Honestly, I think many of the homemade setups are better than this commercially-produced unit.
Can I aquire that equipment and how much coast
i echo all previous comments, this is a great workhorse for mass produced re-petitve items not really for the small time woodworker. You can achieve the same cuts with the "you know who German guide rail system" ?? for a fraction of the price, and also keep your limited floorspace free for more sawdust projects!!
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OK so this was a great video, well done. Now, how about coming out with a video and plans to build a home woodworker's version. I think most of us cannot afford a vertical panel saw for home shops. I think you have many followers like me which can only dream of owning one; unless we can build it for ourselves. For DIYs to do that we need the help of professional with lots of knowledge and experience like you. The design has to have emphasis on low cost and consistency and quality of cuts. Please consider this request. Thank you so very much.
Shopnotes #88, from Woodsmith magazine, has a step by step plan on how to make a similar panel saw for home use. You can see a video of what it looks like here:
czcams.com/video/O9iAnUJxhW0/video.html
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George, Would you be willing to put together some plans for a home built model? No way I could afford this one, yet I work with plywood a lot and would love to have something like this. Waddya say?
Excellent! But, when cutting horizontally at 2:20, you can hear the top piece falling on the saw blade. In this case, cutting the edge is unavoidable. Is there any way to take this into account so that it doesn't happen?
there is no way to stop this from happening unless the table is laying flat. You would have to be in front holding it forcefully to try to stop it from falling.
I think there is some way to fix the top piece before starting cutting. At home, I want to try using vacuum fixation of the top piece. What do you think about such an idea?
@@VictorPanarin Vacuum will work for sure. I set this up on my CNC and I love it. I believe with a shop vac and a few points you could do a vacuum hold. Nice idea.
@@abnersilverio Thanks a lot. Is this idea used anywhere on industrial machines? Or are there mechanical clamps?
It doesn't happen. Never to me anyway! The riving knife prevents that.
I would like one of this creative vertical tools. How can I order?
Here is the web site for the manufacturer: www.safetyspeed.com/
H! my name`s Cesar Im live in Brazil, I wold like now where a can by this product. There is very very isteresting to sold in Brazil.
Hello Cesar,
I would suggest checking with the manufacturer on where you might be able to buy one in your area:
www.safetyspeed.com/
Thanks,
Paul
WoodWorkers Guild of America Video Membership
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Sir, Im come from Vietnam. How to buy this system cutting?
I found several on Ebay. Search for "Panel Saw".
yikes, how far out of concentric were those threaded holes on the mounting thumb screws?
+jchinderle I talked to the folks at Safety Speed cut about the knobs. They're made eccentric, intentionally, for a couple reasons. Being slightly eccentric gives the operator a little more leverage when the knobs are being tightened than a concentric knob would. Additionally, if the knobs come loose, they'll hang with the heavy part of the knob down, rather than coming completely off the machine. Very clever on their part. Good eye, on your part, noticing.
I really suggest you google Hyezmar's Woodworking book (no cost), if you're into this. He's got an angle for for newbies as well.
This really could Almost replace my table saw.
My table saw has no problem cutting 4x8 goods with a huge infeed and outfeed tables. Plus it has attachments for a jigsaw or router. I think blade/router bit setups faster on the table saw while repeated multiple cuts faster on the panel saw, probably a little more accurate too.
Not really, you can't cut angles with a panel saw, like you can with a table saw.
@@95countach why not?
@@thomasrobinette3227 Don't get me wrong, I own a panel saw and love it for ripping 4x8 plywood down to size. I just can't cut a beveled edge with the panel saw because the blade is fixed at a 90 degree cut to the surface of the plywood. It only cuts a flat edge.
@@95countach ah gotcha
Wouldn't let's say a Festool saw, router, guide rail and extractor be far more versatile, totally portable, much cheaper, just as good cut quality etc. and would take up very little space compared to this contraption so perfect for a small workshop or onsite work?
+ishortland I would agree with the points that you make, and there are a lot of approaches that one can take to make accurate cuts on sheet goods. Here's another approach that is even cheaper than a track saw and brings similar capabilities: www.wwgoa.com/article/shop-made-circular-saw-guide-cheap-easy-and-awesome/
The factors that favor the panel saw are quick setup speed and easy repeatability. If you make a lot of cuts on sheet goods, you will appreciate the performance of a panel saw
ishortland I have that retool set up right now and it works ok but for a pro especially you just can't beat the easy set up and accurate repeatability of this tool
I want !!!
I know all things are relative but Festool and cheap should not be in the same sentence.
@@Wwgoa I love my panel saw. And since it's vertical it has a very small footprint. Now I don't need a great big outfeed table or worry about wobble. when cutting full sheets.
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This is good for those DIY'ers that have a few thousand $$$ to shell out for one of those machines.
I like how he has this fancy equipment that costs more than a used car and he's got a porter cable router in it.
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for a shop great for my garage not so
That change out from saw to router takes a lot longer and is a lot harder than changing out the saw to a router to a Saw Trax machine.
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Saw Trax Manufacturing, Inc. It would be nice to see that, if you have a video, I'm not an expert or anything on the matter but i would like to see the process.
Saw Trax Manufacturing, Inc. Hi there! I saw the videos for your Saw Trax machine, and I quite like it. I think I like it more than the machine showed here. My birthday is nearing, it's September 5th. Would you be so very kind and send me one as a birthday gift? :) I live in Peru. I promise I will take good care of it. Please.
ads moving across the screen are TOO BLOODY ANNOYING.
That's a 6400...the new 7000 is miles better