Robert Cheats On Cora | Downton Abbey
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- The new housemaid conquers Robert's heart. Poor Cora!
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much judging and reject Sybil and Tom's relationship, but he also fell in love with a maid
otaku neko21 hypocrisy.
I don’t think he was in love with her...just attracted to her, but that’s just how I feel...
I know Robert can be SUCH a hypocrite!!!!!!
Spellboud I still don’t hate the guy tho...
@@pan-opticon No me neither
Imagine having the audacity to cheat on THE Cora Grantham.
Why does everyone love her character lol she didn’t deserve to be cheated on but I found her so obnoxious
@@gee2541 Same. I really don't know why she is so adored. She had her moments but I never really liked her. Something irritating there was.
@@flav2689 Right! The bothersome factor is that she seemed fake and off most of the time,she isn't very sharp either,she walked right in when Edith was on the verge of tears while conversing with her aunt but didn't notice. Her aggrogance was obvious during the authority issue with the hospital with Isobel and it is the only thing she has,power of the title she acquired through a marriage of financial-position exchange(Her father was Jewish,new money american)
@@gee2541 cuz she was the the only normal one??
Lucky Bates came knocking because Robert was going to definitely do the deed.
Robert: "And Bates... could you fetch me a fresh pair of pajama bottoms? I'm afraid I've got a spot of bother here." Bates: "Is everything alright, your Lordship?" Robert: "Oh, yes. Just a bit of a premature... situation. Jane is in here, you see. You know how it can be. Such a saucy number, and now I've gone and made a sauce of my own in my silken pajamas, blast it all."
he did in the next scene
@@AxelSituation No.
He was gonna penetrate that 😺.
@@tobynsaunders 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I am in stitches laughing at that!! As a big Downton fan!! Christ I wish that'd been written in. Pure Gold!
This felt wrong and extremly out of character for Robert. I hated this plot line so much.
A charming woman would do that to a man, even a good man like lord Grantham. But you are right, it's just the wrighter fitting in another ill thought out plot from his reading of the drama of history
I completely forgot this even happened.
@@Vincisomething That's because it's a silly side plot
I think him being kind was nice to see, but then he went too far.
Lord Grantham is a man and all men can easily be tempted by young women. He’s also a lord too which makes it even easier to get away with!
I think the fact that the maid looked like a younger version of Cora says a lot about why he fell in love with the maid. He didn't love her, he just missed what he and Cora had at the start.
That and he has a type.
@@readsomebooks666 but Robert didn't marry Cora for her looks! he married her for her money. So yes it says a lot about why he fell in love with the maid.
and cora said in the show, she loved him first but it was after less than year that Robert finally fell for her too
I made looks like a younger version of Cora? I don’t really see that.
@@oolala53I think they meant that she looks very similar to Cora in her colouring with the striking blue eyes, fair skin and dark hair. Lord Grantham definitely has a type 😅
Hugh Bonneville is clearly a star and is perfect in this role but the character Robert is a likable dimwit. He loses several fortunes and would be on his way to losing another except for Mary and Tom. He is so often wrong about everything and everyone but darn, he is so great in this role. I admire his skill. He truly becomes Robert in this role and the story does revolve around him in many ways.
I totally agree. I’ve always disliked Robert
Let’s not forget he also sided with the aristocratic doctor when Sybil gave birth, who said there was nothing wrong, which led to her death
Poor Cora.
Good for her she never learned that Robert was close to having sex with a maid while she was deadly ill in the next room. Cora found herself in a similar situation a few years later, but while I think she enjoyed the art collector's attention, she did not want to have an affair with him, it was a one-sided sexual attraction.
@@DellaStreet123 What illness did she have? I can't remember.
@@followersoftheoldwayssaget2118Spanish Flu.
@@DellaStreet123 This is completely unrelated to the video but I've always wondered why it's called Spanish flu when it wasn't from Spain, do you know why??
@@Hermione_Granger Media were not censored in Spain and newspapers and periodicals kept the public up about the disastrous impact of the flu -- in other countries, where the disease was downplayed due to censorship, people who had access to news from Spain thought that Spain was hit more severely than other countries, even though it wasn't the case.
The point of this side plot was to show how Robert felt insecure about Cora's new-found independence and perceived distancing herself away from him, when in reality it was just in his head. As well as the increased feelings of loss of control and worthlessness during the war. It's not about right or wrong, but about perspective.
No. If a man cheats on you, it doesn't mean he's intimidated by your independence. It means he's more attracted to another person in that moment
Have you watched Downton? Because it's very obvious what the writers were trying to portray.
this was.... so unnecessary. how can you have literal angel cora grantham as your wife and cheat on her, what absolute tomfoolery
Feeling neglected and diminished in his role at Downton, he needed an ego fix, nothing more to it. Sad for the girl.
cora is a bore thats why!!!
If a face like JayZ could cheat on a goddess like Beyonce, no man is infallible to temptation unless great virtue defeats it.
No man is ever happy with the most beautiful women on earth and that's the truth sir, I mean not necessarily being "happy" but it's just the common phenomena works in every man. Nothing could help this in history, nor could anything stop from happening this to a man ever.
Joanie Adams SACRILEGE 😂
And yet he went totally crazy when that painting historian flirted uninvited with Cora.
In that storyline, Cora told Robert to return to the joint bedroom so unless he could swear to not have given any woman the impression feeling more for her than he really did. After a few moments thought, Robert did return -- I suspect remembering this affair with Jane.
Absolutely. It’s quite typical of men to be enormous hypocrites ESPECIALLY when it comes to infidelity.
Well Cora was more to blame
@Jere Niemi how?? Robert literally cheated with Jane, Cora didn't do anything
YES I HATED HIS HYPOCRISY
Possibly overlooked is Clare Calbraith's strong performance as Jane. She is sweet, vulnerable, and gorgeous.
I hated this storyline but the actors did have great chemistry together honestly... and Carson definitely knew what was going on
it was hot loved it she was much prettier than cora and more sincere cora is a stuck up bitch who tore into mrs hughes over her stupid top coat
@Kuchi Kopi she apologized. It's not easy for the gentry to do that to their servants
It'a probably her eyes
The chemistry was undeniable.
Joanie Adams both characters are beautiful in their own ways. It was very wrong of Robert to cheat on Cora. Periodt
Robert is starting to feel threatened because his wife is starting to have other interests besides him.
Nah...
Men cheat because they can.
@@Emy-fv5ny As Dr. Phil is so incredibly fond of saying: "this ain't my first rodeo."
Also because there was a war, and he felt useless
Everyone is assailing Robert’s character, and perhaps rightfully so, but I do find one moment worth mentioning. He refuses to let the maid take the fall for an act that they had an equal part in, an act that Robert initiated and potentially pressured her into. Many men of power today, morally calloused by today’s hyper-competitive, cutthroat corporate culture, would gladly let one “insignificant” secretary, clerk or cleaner take the fall in a relationship. However he acts with integrity. It would have been even more ethically impressive if Robert was forced to choose between throwing her under the bus and publicly acknowledging his mistake, and he chose the latter.
A nuanced view. Nice. Lord Grantham is human and still a pretty classy dude.
Plus, he pays for her son's education
Beautifully said!! And I just felt so much for Robert!!
He did fall for her, it was clear to me. Abd the feeling of "what could have been" in his heart, had he not married Cora, had he met jane earlier in life, you could FEEL his sense of regret and loss, the longing to be with her! It was a heartbreaking story all around for all that's involved.
And he was a true gentleman in the end.
Yes he made a mistake, but... aren't we all willing to do mistakes if our hearts truly involved??
@@bluebellcrushedvelvet Cheating on your wife is more than a "mistake".
Robert...
Stop it. Get some help.
K.A.P. ! Facts
K.A.P. ! Oh. He did get some of the help if you know what I mean
Well, at least he didn't take it any further.
Simp
lmao the micheal jordan gif media1.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e470c0588f4ee394c5a9bdd04cf6bbe66e5ba32920c&rid=giphy.gif
As much as a lot of people hate Robert for this storyline, I particularly love him here. You can see his obvious human flaws in character but also how his gentle, considerate conscience working to mitigate damage.
I agree.
It was wrong to do, but we are all flawed. Robert at least treated Jane very well, and he did feel bad about what he did.
This storyline is awkward but it serves to show that Robert is drifting. He's very lost and doesn't quite knows who he is yet. That's what Jane represents at that moment.
What she *represents*? I don't like thinking of the show in that way.
So Robert has a midlife crisis. I can just see Violet making some remark about it being very middle-class of him.
Midlife crisis worsened by World War I,feeling out of place due to his position in all that was happening and most importantly him and Cora was in a marriage of convenience there wasn't romantic love blinding them together to begin with,even though they supported each other they weren't a good match,Robert didn't appreciate Cora as much as he should have and Cora well,she is most happy with being Lady Grantham and doesn't care who she's married to which tells everything about her.
Lolol when Carson heard everything. Mrs. Hughes knew what was up too. We can think we’re getting away with something, but there are people around us who know very well what we’re up to. They just keep quiet.
Think Mrs Hughes guessed when the Spanish Flu was doing the rounds, and she mentioned that a maid was down with it, and Robert said 'Which maid? Not Jane?!' Why would Jane be more important than whichever poor maid WAS ill with it?
I believe she had a crush on Robert, I mean she lost her husband and this man shows up with kindnes and treats her well. I would fall for him
Just fall for him not stealing him from her wife that was just so unnecessary
It’s a very believable story with what they’re going/gone through in their lives. No one is infallible.
And Robert is a very very handsome gorgeous man indeed!! A heart and looks in one!! I would too!
And it upsets me that he really seemed to cherish her but his loyalty prevailed.
And poor Cora.
She was kind and made him feel needed, when Cora was focusing (rightly so) on her own personal growth and worrying about Mary. It was a difficult situation for everyone and I think they all handled it reasonably well in the end.
@@bluebellcrushedvelvet So many of the aristocrats' marriages were strategically arranged for reasons of power, money, etc. I'll bet very few of them were actually faithful to their spouses.
Robert made me so angry during these episodes....
I ligit wanted to strangle him.
I feel bad for him. Throughout the whole of season 2, it eats at him that he’s not even allowed to help the war effort in a meaningful way- his title makes him too important. And he’s cut out of any business with convalescing the soldiers, ignored by his family. I’m not saying he’s right; but he feels awful, and he stops it before it goes too far.
I know. I hate him too at the end of season 2.
but I think the show did intend to make him look dislikable. It shows the hypocrisy, conservativeness, and patriarchy of the noble.
Yaa. .same here. .
He’s a caring/loving person who fell in love. It’s life I’m afraid ...
I hated this. I was so disgusted with it, never seemed like something Robert would do at all
I never liked him after that. After someone cheats, their credibility is just down in the dumps and impossible to come back.
Yeah especialy after he didn't decide to save Sybils life I still blame him for that.
@@naomiratajek535Dr Clarkson made some horrible mistakes . Just because he was right about Sybil doesn't make him a good doctor
Same. I can’t get myself to like any character or even a person in real life once they cheat on their significant other.
So many of these noble men slept with their help. It was good that they showed it on this show.
Great acting
It got so many people pissed off 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Julie Harris LOL!
To be honest, I loved this.
julie Harris
because when he was trying to get laid his wife was dying she got ill
@@kathie9823 me too
@@mydogstepedonabee me too ☺️
that episode made me so angry cora nearly died she was so sick but his husband nearly slept with the maid at the same time matthew and mary cheated on lavinia while she was sick too
Mary never cheated on Lavinia. What do you mean. She was nice to Lavinia and treated her way better than Edith
What a family !
jehanne thompson i meant matthew cheated on lavinia with mary, she knew they were in a relationship
Asosiso s I couldn’t care less. At least Lavinia was nice about it and wanted everyone to be happy. #MaryandMatthew
@@jehannethompson1432He would have happily cheated on Mary had he lived longer in simalir circumstances.
The warning signs where there
6:43
Bate's face like ''wtf?''
What annoys me so much is how Robert got away with everything in the series. He was never really held accountable for any of his behaviour
True to life for aristocrats in those days.
I like to think the ulcer was his karma but thats just me
"I want you with every fibre of my being" 🤮 really Robert, because you seem to forget about Jane pretty quickly
It's what happens when you fall in lust with someone.....😬😬
Lol same thoughts exactly
It was only lust, nothing more than that. A passing fancy.
You mad? He is a lord, he should have many women
@@bnap3221 Excuse me WHAT?
Did Jane REALLY have legitimate business on the upstairs level? Someone help me out.....why was she ALWAYS upstairs?
Maids clean all over the house, that's why.
@@bismillahrabbani9006 I never saw her cleaning, but she STAYED lurking around some corner. But she finally "cleaned" her way into Roberts bedroom, which I guess was her goal.😁
@@andresuston7692 Only theatre after all. I just wonder why women always get the blame, when a married man is inappropriate.
Maids clean all over the house and their footmen were gone. So she would help serve dinner.
@@bismillahrabbani9006 right, Jane was a lonely widow and Robert was the one breaking his wedding vows. He kissed her first.
Honestly thought Cora was gonna catch them on that final kiss
Highly improbable because she was bed-ridden at that time.
I think it would have been better if one of the daughters caught him.
I wish one his daughters caught him or Mr Carson
This would have been difficult to let them as a couple after that, as an American commoner she would have been less frightened by the perspective of a divorce.
I wish she had
This is why DA is mesmerizingly addictive. All the characters have more shades of gray in them than 50, just like any other real person in real life.
Robert, Mary, and Edith, yes. And maybe Miss O'Brien. I find the rest to be pretty two-dimensional.
When he kisses her
Me: Ewwwwwwwwww
Jane wants to "help"
Me: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
🤣
I really liked Jane. She seemed like a nicer character than Edna. I felt like she TRIED to toe the line but couldn't help falling. I liked this plot line, felt bad for Cora and also for Jane. I liked Jane a lot as a character, and I always really liked this plot line. Not sure why, but I think it was because I liked Jane's character so much. The fact that he took such genuine interest in her child is what probably sealed the deal for her in many respects. That gains a lot of sympathy from someone. Because it shows how much they care.
Lefeurouge I felt the least unsympathetic towards Edna, of all characters.
@@alfchuah Same
I did, too. Robert felt out of place after the war, lost his ground, and then felt 'out' with Cora being all busy (as she later, after she got over that flu) admitted. Then there appears a warm, caring woman, with whom he simply has a 'click'- that DOES happen in life. Right when he's ready to give in to that, Bates' knock on the door makes him realize how much this will 'cost' all involved, and decides to break it off. Great storyline, extremelt well acted, and, yes, like a gentleman, he decides to help her son with his future, which, for a mom in her situation, will mean more than anything he could have given her for herself. PLUS- gawd, she is pretty.......
@@fredvankempen6238 I get that he was feeling lonely, but Cora was trying to keep the family stable. It sucks that it came at the expense of Robert, but if the roles were reversed I think Robert would have done the same for the sake of their kids. So I just can't take Robert's side on this. There is never an excuse for cheating, especially when your partner is only being inattentive for the greater good of the family.
Jane was a good character. I'm glad they both moved on in good terms. I'm also glad Robert was able to help her child. Robert is clearly flawed as all humans are, but he is overall a good guy.
she looks just like Cora tho😭😭
I don’t see any resemblance
Yeah, she does a bit. Same type: fair complexion, dark hair, pale blue eyes...
Cora is way prettier
@@Tessa-vz1qb nah not really. No offence to Cora but I prefer Jane ( I mean the actors)
I think that might have been part of the reason he was attracted to her. She probably reminded him of his and Cora's youth, before the stress of possibly losing the money and the house from not having a boy and the miscarriage of the boy that would have fixed the problem they were having. She probably reminded him of when he and Cora were young and happy.
I hate that he was never held accountable of what he did to Cora.
@E Indeed, however when it comes to fiction, some storylines must have a closure. And I felt like there wasn't any in this case.
This is the only plot ihated and thought didnt fit the character. I just cant see him cheating on Cora and especially when shes ill. Hes just not that guy
The ONLY plot you hated? The whole Violet/Russian affair was far more ridiculous and out of character.
@@bunpeishiratori5849 And also Edith with a farmer…
@@bunpeishiratori5849 Really? Everyone has a past, and it was because of this, she became who she was. Found out she really did love her husband and was willing to stand by him. At the time, she would have only been in her early 20s at the most - since we know she already had her children, and by all accounts, she was a real beauty. At the time, most marriages would have been at least partially arraigned, meaning that she would have only had "eligible" bachelor's of good social and financial standing and of the peerage to choose from. Love came second. So her falling in in love with someone else isn't too far off the mark.
@@TheFlowerofSpades That was not out of her character though
@@jd-no7rwNobel women didn't have affairs . It would ruin her and her family , see them disgraced etc .
Men could get away with it . Women no.
I want to like Robert, but having him cheat on his wife the same night he unintentionally causes their daughter's death is not a good look on anyone. Especially when he freaks out on Cora when he finds Bricker in her bedroom while she was telling him to leave.
This wasn't the night of Sibyl's death, and I don't think it was ever fair to blame Robert for that.
He meant lost his child for good because he upset her, not because she died. Sybil died later on.
Sybil died in season three. This is season two. Sybil had announced that she was going to Ireland and marrying Branson.
I sympathized with both of them. I understand things happen during war, and he felt like Cora was ignoring him. Jane lost her husband and was grieving. Yet he had the higher hand there because she wouldn't have been in a position to tell him "no." Yes, it's clear that their attraction was mutual and would have gone all the way unless Bates had interrupted them. I liked that Jane made the choice to leave Downton on her own, realizing the position that they were both in. It wouldn't have been a happy scenario for anybody, and at least Robert still made sure that her son could go to school.
He abused his position of power and disgraced his wife.
I know a lot of people don't like this story but I like it. It's Robert's own arc as he deals with feeling totally emasculated in not being able to be anything but a mascot while other men are risking their lives. It doesn't make it right but it shows that he's human and makes mistakes and it sets up other moments like finding out about Mary and Pamuk and even further down Cora and Brickar.
Exactly, he is a human being. Everybody makes mistakes and he corrected it in a gentleman and kind way towards the lady.
@@normawilliams7550 He's a great character because of how he deals with it. and it isn't like it's just "Jane is young and hot", the two of them do just sort of connect in a way both of them try to resist and if it wasn't for everything going on in his life at the time nothing would have really happened.
Correct. In addition Cora knows that Robert has a weakness to flirting, as she says after the Bricker scene, "If you never cheated during our marriage then stay here, otherwise I expect you back in my room."
It must have really sucked to have to prepare and serve all of that delicious food and to never know what it tasted like.
And he was so quick to attack on Ethel
Sadly this plot line had me thinking that Robert likely had cheated on Cora previously. But uncomfy as this all was, it made for great storytelling and I especially loved the interactions with Carson and Bates.
Didn't he turn down that blonde lady throwing herself at him?
I started out liking her but it seemed that she fell into the role of the master's "mistress" rather easily.
Kathy Edens she was working hard for that position lol.
Fey Rol Longer hour’s = more net pay xd
@@feyrol42 👍
She was in love poor thing
Gerard Jagroo , He was vulnerable to her that’s the attraction
I really hated all these moments. Cora has a meaningful purpose a job managing and running the house. While he's useless and wants attention.
We all have flaws that we wish to keep hidden.
Carson ..... always the faithful ..... a true friend in need and in deed.
Idk why you all are upset about this plot between the maid and lord grantham
Those things were common in the aristocracy sphere, this show tried to reflect the true life of a noble family, so they portrayed some true lines of some marriages , but at the end of the day , love between Cora and Robert won
Most viewers can't help themselves from viewing period dramas with 21st century rose coloured glasses. Same reason people think Rose's actions in Titanic to run away with a poor man with zero plan and nothing but passion is more realistic... Cal may have not been the most nurturing type, but she did agree to be his fiance and then started an affair with another man which he got quite angry about. Slapping someone especially a woman is never okay though.
I loved this storyline! I loved that we got to see his real soul, away from his duty. Ugh, so hot 😍
This part still broke my heart. Robert’s such a kind person. He may be intransigent but in the end he finds himself choosing what’s right… except for this. I really hated his character in this. It breaks my heart. And that time when he was mad at Cora when he found out that the Historian/Art Dealer or whatever he was had a crush on Cora. It was so unfair and gushing of hypocrisy.
But isn't that how many human beings behave? We judge ourselves by our intentions, and others by our ideals. We expect perfection and never, ever find it. We're all vulnerable and weak in a perfect storm. Robert chose the high road after all; kudos, because many wouldn't have bothered about consequences.
and even worse when cora starts hanging out with the painting guy in season 5 he is infuriated just by that
many hate of this storyline... but I see this make Lord Grantham so human ...
Cora don’t deserve this
'I lost my youngest child today, perhaps forever, and I can't see any way 'round it.' Accept Tom into the family, as Sybil's husband, then...and DON'T tempt fate by talking about 'losing' her, which you really will soon...!
@7:25 And no mention of Cora in regard to what he's doing being unfair. Wow!
I just realized how she shares similar features to Cora(dark hair, light blue eyes)
She came in the room like when Anna first met Christian. LOL! 🤣
I think the war shook them up, and like Robert said he lost his way. He really wanted a boy and got caught up in Freddie. I can understand the phrase "a moment of weakness" here.
It sucks but in the real world during this time it was very very common.
And still is common...
If this tells you how memorable this story line was, I watched that entire season when it aired and I've forgotten there ever was a maid named Jane. I remember the maid who was sent away for getting pregnant and later came back as someone else's maid, I recall the kitchen assistant who went off to be the cook for Cora's brother in Daisy's place, I even remember the names of all of the footmen Downtown had over the years (and Mrs. Hughes, Anna, O'Brien, and Miss Baxter), but I do not recall there being a maid named Jane who was kissed by Robert.
So what? You have a bad memory, we got it.
Ethel and Ivy?
V
Catalansingali
This was literally the worst of Robert . 🤦♀️
I really don't understand why people are commenting about how much they hate this story line. I actually really appreciated it. People are complicated, and Robert is no exception. A man can be deeply in love with his wife, and still have a mistress. I'm not defending cheating, at all, but to say that Robert did this because he was falling out of love with Cora is asinine. And people pointing out that Robert skipped Tom and Sybil's wedding but started falling in love with the mistress. Yeah. So? People are walking contradictions. He's no exception. Lust is an extremely powerful emotion. And it's obvious he was lusting after the new housemaid.
Fully agree. I think this storyline was completely in character for him. Not because he is an inherently bad person, but because he is a complicated man who is used to being in control. There are other instances in the show where feelings of despondency and alienation clouded his judgement and led him to act impulsively.
This comment is disgusting.
Lust is a powerful emotion, but so is a promise you give to someone when you marry or commit to them. That's why you avoid the situations that may escalate the relationship and lead to cheating.
No, you cannot be deeply in love with your wife and cheat on her. Please. As is loving deeply your husband and cheat on him. It is disgusting, and it is not true love. Because if you realize how much cheating can hurt and destroy, you would never do this to the person you claim to love.
There are some lines you don't cross, and mistakes that can't be corrected.
I feel that the make-up artist should have made the maid's eyebrows thicker....to make it more realistic to the time period.
They did pluck then.
Maids didn’t have access to makeup usually, they pinched their cheeks instead etc
@@eileenmarie1652 It wasn't even called makeup then. The servants could use what they had to "make up" their faces though.
That's your takeaway?
Some people just have naturally thinner eyebrows. And plucking one’s brows isn’t a new phenomenon. Brows were pencil-thin throughout the Middle Ages, the Elizabethan period, and right up until the more recent 20s and 30s, and not thicker again until the 1940s. ☺️
Lol lowkey was like loving the storyline cuz I love juicy drama but also was like poor Cora
While a lot of aristocracy cheated I feel like this was just a plot to put in the storyline because they couldn’t come up with something else better to write. It seems out of character for Robert to do that
Its the hypocrisy for me. He was in a tizzy about Sybil being in love with Branson while cheating on Cora with a maid (she was so dull I dont even remember her name)
To be fair Robert was mad because Sybil wasn't just having an affair but was willing to uproot her current life and marry a low born man which is not what they had in mind for any of their daughters. Doing so could mean possible isolation and fracturing as a family unit as well. It turned out in favour over time, but this is the 1920's not the 2000's. People need to view period dramas for the time period they are referring to. As for Robert, it was an emotional affair built on feeling neglected by his own wife, nobility and pretty much all British and western society at the time didn't work through their issues nor address them the way couples do now. He did kiss her but he immediately regretted it and cut it off before it got any further. If anything it shows restraint and that he did in fact regret his actions and made the effort to change and re-direct his love for Cora.
Happy Mother's Day Cora!!!
Hahahahaahahaha yes on this day!
Jake Yard lmaoooo
Watching these episodes of Robert straying from Cora is like listening to nails on chalkboard............ I wanted to screamed "Sthaaapppp! Cut!! re-write Robert's part!!! Cut-out Jane!!!" He's the patriarch he can't do any wrong!
I want them to address this in the movie.
Why?
@@ingriddubbel8468 When someone is cheated on they deserve to know that their partner cheated on them. It would be an interesting plot to experience. When this happened in the show it was gone as quickly as it came. I really don't like that Robert cheated on Cora and doesn't suffer the consequences for it. I'm not trying to sound rude but I just really want this to be addressed.
@@deanl77 Other characters also got away with really bad things they did. O'Brien caused Cora's miscarriage. But would if helped Cora if she knew the truth? That way, her miscarriage was an unfortunate accident and not the result of criminal behavior. Thomas locked up Isis in a shack in the woods where all kinds of bad things could have happened to her and got away with it. This may sound unfair toward people who were punished for their behavior (Ethel comes to mind) but if Robert found out, Thomas would have been dismissed and the show would have lost one of its best characters.
Anneke Sieck I agree with you, but I just think that this is something that should be addressed.
@@deanl77 Its not even worth rehashing.
HAHAHHAHA at least he didn't become a full-on cheater and had an affair like what Lord Sinderby and Diana Clark did.
I kinda forgot about that. Thank God for Mary, Rose and Lord Grantham for saving his but
Idk why everyone hated this plot so much. I loved every bit of it. Especially Jane's musical theme.
Beautiful scenes and music. Both, Clare Calbraith and Hugh Bonneville are mesmerizing. I love them together
Did Cora know about this affair? It seems she referenced it when he was angry with her and slept in a separate room.
every fibre of his being...bye
It's 2021 and I'm wondering how Freddie's life turned out and if his mother ever told him a story about how she almost a lover to the Earl of Grantham.
This storyline was needed to show that we all make mistakes! And so many make this one...quit the hypocritical comments! Robert was lonely, felt left out, in grief after the war. Suddenly someone came along who listened to him and showed him care...Classic marital life woes etc and consequences .The greatest thing about these series is that it shows human nature in all forms.
Sad, but very true . 😪 we are all such beasts aren’t we tho ? 😋😪
I completely hate this. During the wartime, Cora and Robert didn't have those bedtime talks of theirs anymore and they couldn't see that much of each other but that really doesn't justify Robert's behaviour. I really hated him at this part.
But maybe it was shown for another reason as well. Other than being an understanding father, I think this phase made Robert understand and support Mary more for the Mr. Pamuk incident. He said that we all make mistakes and all.
But I still don't like this. When he pulled her into the bedroom I was screaming "DO NOT DO IT YOU IDIOT!! THERE IS NO COMING BACK AFTER THIS!"
Go away, Jane. Robert come to your senses, man.
Exactly!
If she refused there was a chance she could be sacked . It happend a lot back then .
Maids and other servants were stuck between a rock and a hard place .
@@hannahdyson7129 But she didn't even try....
@@rahaa.sh_307It eas him who came onto her
She had a son to support
He took advantage
@@hannahdyson7129 I hate Robert for cheating on Cora but Jane was fully aware of what she was doing & I do blame her.
This is a plot line that I was pleased to see come to an end...
Shame Robert.
Although Robert did this improperly, but I like this maid. She knew impossible and knew step back and run away. They both are good person.
Looks like Jane wasn't into the kiss . She refrained from touching him. I'd say it was an assault. She couldn't say no to that either. Yes she did forgave him but it was very creepy if him to do so
Are none of us talking about what led up to this unexpected plotline? I'm not defending married (monogamous) partners cheating on each-other, still we gotta differentiate a little bit here! 🤔 The storyline feels out of character for Robert because that IS how Robert feels - out of character! While Cora is finding new role of her own, she kinda does take her marriage for granted (may seem like a minor argument, but I'm a woman myself and I feel like we would react far more empathetic and understanding if the genders were reversed). Now, that neglect tops off lost Robert's hopelessness, his sense of being a pathetic outdated model, his lack of a valuable purpose and a place in this "wounded" world/family. And what must've struck Robert the most in those days of radical social/personal change is the powerlessness as a husband and father (wife has a miscarriage, his his eldest daughter and his heir fall out, his youngest girl runs off to Ireland with the chauffeur only to die in childbed ...because daddy allegedly listens to the wrong doctor...). Considering that the kind, honest, working-class woman was the only one for whom (for whose son) that man could actively be of use...make her life a bit easier, it makes sense that he feels more like himself again around her. At the same time, she gives him a bit of peace, understanding and self-esteem. - Yes, a mature, modern husband might demand that attention from his real wife, but we're in 1920 here (Robert's the product of an era dominated by proud, strong male archetypes). Bottom line, was the plotline too forced? - It was, yet not entirely unrealistic. In the end of the day, the new housemaid shouldn't be the only one that notices the family patron's "wretched" soul and truly bothers to ask how *he* is doing, "really".
Love is an amazing feeling. It can make or break you, for the rest of your life.
He doesn't allow Sybil to marry the perfect man just because he is poor! Yet he cheats on his wife with a maid!? This was so out of character!
Marriage and affair aren’t the same…
@@sarasamaletdin4574 wow, i forgot about this comment and my downton abbey phase
@@ameliahepler1988here is your reminder- you were once a DA fan
@@BritishRepublicsnthanks bro
I would say that this brief love was the only real thing chosen for himself in his whole life.
unpopular opinion but that kiss was pretty hot. i HATED the storyline but that kiss was OOOF
It was awful, but the kiss was wow
LMAOO GLAD I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE
I so agree with this. Their chemistry was 🔥 🔥 🔥
Thank God Cora never knew about this, or she would've killed him.
I think she knew
Is he really cheating anybody or just expressing his loneliness? Cora is very busy with her affairs as well as the daughters; this is a common occurrence in which the wife is always busy and the children, after attending good schools and always protected by father simply decide to look at him like a reliable figure but never care about his feelings. Everybody forgets you need affection and understanding too and if something happens then you are the bad guy.
If she had stayed definitely there would have been a romance between these two. He was very attracted to her.
Jane is gorgeous stunningly beautiful
Jane was probably so attractove to Robert becaise she looked like a younger version of Cora in a time when they have not spoken that much, as their marriagw faded. Robert wanted affection and Jane probably his because of diffetent reasons like security (the Edna-Style maybe). Unlike others here in the comment section I think the story line was very fitting for his character; I've seen Robert always more as a softer charactrr whi needs followership or at least people to like him to be happy
I didn't care for this episode or the maid or Robert for that matter. Cheapered it.
What's that music at 6:41 while they were kissing. It's quite nice.
I've often wondered if Carson and perhaps Bates knew what was going on?
I actually don’t think this storyline is unnecessary, because it is, a fact. Even a highly respected man with full integrity and dignity will also have the desire n passion when there’re sparks, why do we all pretend they’re not?This is a bold touch of reality. I mean, let’s be honest after years of marriage, many ppl have that urge when the sparks are reignited with someone else. Yet many choose to step back cuz nobody would risk the rest of their life for some one time passion which led to an unknown future. It’s that simple. I don’t understand why Robert has to be a Saint in this regard. He retrieved his sensibility didn’t he? Let alone there’s no future between them in the first place. This is men and this is marriage, this is love and this is passion. IT just HAPPENS. I understand if ppl don’t like the part, but it’s very real. It makes the character more vivid, realistic n well-rounded. I never thought Robert in this way before honestly, it’s from this part that I suddenly realize ahhhh he’s a husband, lord, father, son and oh, a man. He finally has something personal.........some private corner of his own heart.
You know, I can't imagine servants knocking and then immediately opening the door without an invitation from Lord Grantham or whomever. Star Trek's Picard could teach them a lesson: whenever his room was buzzed he'd say "Come," and then the visitor would enter.
Bob you cheeky lad. Poor Cora 🥺
I must be the only one who got the pressure and looming Failure hanging over Robert. Bad investments, no heir, stupid financial decisions, - everything he believed he was doing right to carry his family into the future is crashing down on him. His wife is fighting for her life and he is helpless to do anything. He is alone with no one to talk things over. He is one of those stalwart British who carry everything internally, and so suffers in silence. Someone vulnerable comes close to him, shares her grief/loss. He can do something for her if no one else, help her son further his schooling. The war has shattered him, he is cast aside as too old to serve and must watch the youth bear the brunt of violence. And when he reaches out for direction more than solace, he finds a willing soul in the new maid, someone who is still missing the man in her life. He's desperate for a path, but reality shakes him out of his dream and he realizes where his path is, with Cora, in life or death. He is shamed to realize the only way out for Jane is to leave before they both crumble. But in the end he knows it's right.
Good insights and empathy for Robert... which is lacking in these comments
THIS!!!!!! Perfectly how I saw the situation. Thanks!
All the angry commentators need to get a grip.