Building a Small Subwoofer - Plays down to 33Hz!! - by SoundBlab
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Tang Band sent me their PR15-A subwoofer bundle with a beefy 4 inch driver and passive radiator. Built into a small 3 litre enclosure, this thing can hit down to 33Hz! Watch the build in this video and a sound demo at the end.
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You can get this driver and passive radiator bundle by contacting Tang Band directly through their website at www.tb-speaker.com
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Good morning, I wanted to know if it was possible to buy the subwoofer of the video, that is, already fully assembled and red.
Color is important, as I should combine it with the speakers that I already have and which are precisely red.
If possible to buy it I would be interested to know the final price, including shipping costs, I live in Italy.
I await welcome feedback
Thank you
Best regards
Simone
@@catji9266 it IS listed at PE for preorder. delivery in 90-120 days. Minimum qty 200 pieces.
So how much did customs charge for you to ship that in s.a
SoundBlab I did enquire sometime ago and wanted to purchase on commercial quantities as we run a car audio business.
We wanted to develop innovative speaker systems which would have knocked a lot of socks off, but they refused us because the quantities were not high enough.
I still have the designs, but no cooperation...
That passive radiator looks like a fan.
It does a bit 😉
Wait thats a radiator?
Damm i thout it was a fan.
DJ PUMP i did to at first 😂
It kinda did from the thumbnail
Thanks for all the likes🙂
I am a big fan of that passive radiator.
Say it lower....
big fan? lol nice pun
I think it blows.
I'm a passive fan of that big radiator.
Bwahahaha
Tang Bang if you're reading this you need to get with a company and make a complete kit with knockdown box for those of us too lazy, too busy, or too dumb to do it all by ourselves!!
Well said bro totally agree with you
Tang Band, not "Tang Bang"
@@RWL2012 and that really matters why? can you explain the difference between a Tang Bang and a Tang Band to me? Didn't think so.
I do like the *(Whole Kit Idea). It could be in simple wood, & or some plastic parts. So the user - us. Could pain it to our heart's desire. Awesome video.
Q canciones son esas
Tracklist at end of video
17:09 Ramzoid - Canada
17:35 Johna - Meteor
18:10 Patrick Patrikios - One Night Away
Thx
Thank you
thanks... think i.
Thanks ;)
please tell me track name in the start of video
I like how you used the CA glue with a quick spray of accelerator on the opposite piece for initial attachment.
Cool trick!
That stuff is amazing I use it for woodworking as well
I didn't come here for the tutorial, I don't have professional grade tools
I came here for the entertainment in watching snug fit assembly and rounded edges. And 33Hz bass.
😎
Also the red-black for this subwoofer is dope!
Thanks
i just love it when the bass radiator goes absolutely mental while the sub almost doesnt move at all
The radiator is just like a hypeman for a rapper
Same with my sound system. There is lots of bass with the littlelest movement from the sub. Really efficient driver i guess. 6.5" 220w unit. Sl8yg soundbar btw
I also like the wet sand on the coat of spray paint. I hadn't thought that would make it shine like that, but turned out nice!
Thanks man! If I had more time I could do more paint layers and wet sanding for an even better finish, but time is money...
The last touch: Stick a round "dB" logo on the middle of the passive radiator.
A long time ago I bought a little inexpensive 2.1 sound system meant to connect to your TV or video game console. I believe it has a three (3) inch woofer but the box was a pretty decent size ( relative to the woofer that is) I was impressed with the amount of bass that it gave off. It was actually great for a bedroom. It probably better suited for a desktop computer setting though.
Watching you build this, really makes me wish i made a 2.1 speaker set for a project at school rather than a hifi cabinet that i did. I didnt dream big enough.
There is always next time! Every time we try something new, we learn something and can improve on it when we try again.
HA! unfortunately im in my 30s now and dont possess the tools or access to a workshop that would allow me to make such things! After leaving school i went to college to study IT but left carpentry as a backup option as I enjoyed that a hell of a lot and was half decent at it.
I never did get to studying carpentry as i spent too many years reading the books for IT. Its never to late to learn but time and money is not something i have huge amounts of 😜
Its the path that i have chosen
I hear you. Time always seems to be the limiting factor.
I know a South African accent when I hear one.
Gooi hom pappie
Knew i wasn't the only one that picked it up XD
💪😎🇿🇦
Mind blowing cutting and assemble skills iam speechless
Welldone
Thanks!
@@SoundBlab Welcome
YES!!!! Radiator builds are fantastic and adjusting the weight of the radiator can make quick changes. EarthQuake Audio has perfected this technology very well. responses are great but amplitude is key ;-)
I admire your craftsmanship and endurance. That being said,, What a pain in the ass form for the drivers. As if it is build to make your life hard
Thanks! Yeah, these square drivers are a bit of a pain to work with.
I was like 99% sure you were South African, and then I saw the Game catalogue.
Love your work, man, keep it up.
Thanks
I thought for sure that radiator was some kind of cooling fan
lol haven't laugh out LOUD this big in forever, thxs for the healing!
Same
The most satisfying part in the video 11:44
I watch for this. Every. Time.
Cool!
I have a little space under the rear seats of my truck. I really want to make a slim box that would use a couple of these drivers. I don't need crazy levels of bass, just need to fill in the flat sound in my truck now.
People are quick to point out the smallest thing, that can be considered negative, amazing build I really would like it hear it in person.
Thanks!
It would be nice if a similar effect could be achieved by making the enclosure with a shallow depth while maintaining the cabinet volume at 3L.
What a cool little box. Perfect for a under the desk computer sound system.
Thanks
im not changing my double BMS 18N862´s for this, but thank you youtube for checking this out
Seriously considering getting the drivers, modeling the suggested box, and printing it on my Creality CR-10. Could be a fun project!
Yeah, think thats a great idea!
I’ve no access to wood tools, while I’ve an FDM as well (and potantially a glowforge laser cutter 42W)... Might you share the project? Would the plastic enclosure sound well? Any material sounds differently...
You probably want to use some calking on all the inside joints, and gaskets on the driver/radiator. Experiment with some Polyfill and you might get even better output as well.
My glue joints seem to be holding up well, but extra calking should not hurt. The PR and driver both have gaskets already attached. Maybe it was not clear in the video. I still want to experiment with polyfill and extra weight on the PR.
Do you see the clearances on that speaker and PR? No way air leakage in a factor in them.
Cute sub, and your workmanship is so excellent! I hate to say anything negative.....but.... its a 4" driver. I bet it sounds impressive at low volumes, but I really doubt it would satisfy a lot of us who like to turn up the tunes once in a while. For similar pricing you could drive a low cost tpa3116 class d sub amp (100w@2ohms) into a dual 6 or 8" ported sub at and get some real chest pounding bass. I am currently playing with different designs and am finding a single 8" subwoofer insufficient for my pc setup in a somewhat average bedroom - again just for the odd time i want to crank up the tunes to higher volumes. Moving up to a compact 10" or dual 8" or maybe a 12" even...nothing beats the displacement of a larger driver. I am looking forward to your sound test though - maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised and proven wrong lol.
Thanks man! Sure, I hear you. However, the size is a bonus if you are looking for something this small. Any 6 or 8 inch driver will require a much larger enclosure. I suppose it depends on your needs at the end of the day.
I really like your build, especially that you make enclosure between AMP and SUBs by MDF pannel. Saw that very rarelly, even for huge subs. Even pro audio companies like Genelec ignores that, at least in their aluminium monitors.
Thanks
A reason the amp is not separate is to allow cooling of the amp components. If you notice, most manufactured subs will have a port near the amp so the air cools the amp as it passes. This option becomes dangerous for high volume continuous loads as their is zero cooling for the amp without external heatsinks. Of course in theory, a separate encloser can reduce vibration to components, but in all reality, with enough volume it's better to have cooling then run components near the solder melting point or glue melting point and still have vibration regardless of separation. Plus you loose less volume without the separate encloser as well, and in many cases, size does matter for locations.
Nice build! I'm gonna be building a ported Bluetooth soundbar and was planning on using this subwoofer. I'm excited to build it and can't wait to hear it! Very impressive specs for only a 4.5-inch driver!
i wonder how 3 of theese, one 4" midrange and a tweeter would fare in a taller floorstanding speaker? kind of like the system audio Ranger's i once had, those speakers went DEEP and was "punched in the gut quick" with ultra long throw 4" speakers. jawdropping speakers tbh, hate the fact i sold them.
What a job... Astonished. The paintjob is very very nice. You're very good at what you do.
Thanks man!
Nice build, impressive that you can hear down to 33hz
Thanks!
You just insulted the man!
33Hz is only around bottom C on a piano so easy to hear it.
I though it was a fan on the side of a weird box when i saw the thumbnail without reading the title
A really clever way you use different types of glue
thanks for affirming my suspicions of your accent being from South Africa , after seeing the game paper ;-)
LOL. A dead giveaway that Game paper!
that is exactly what i thought
nee, ek dink nie hulle is die antwoord nie 😋
Meer soos jack parrow fan
after the sub and radiator i'm surprised that you didn't recess the amp plate flush. awesome build, video editing and music choices. cheers from MN USA, also subbed.
Thanks man! I got lazy..., but I in hindsight I wish I did!
Nice, new subscriber here.
No idea if it's possible, however I believe I would have explored placing the passive radiator on the bottom ... assuring adequate clearance etc.
Hi, welcome! That is certainly an option. Although, some drivers and PRs have shown a tendency to sag when mounted on the bottom of an enclosure. Personally however, I have not experienced this so far in any of my builds with bottom mount drivers.
not sure if it is the microphone used at the end but the bass sounds kinda distorted and "can" like
Is it possible to do a sweep test to demostrates how the sub actually performs?
The finish is flawless! It looks machined
Thanks
Excelente trabajo tenia tiempo que no veía un bafle con radiador pasivo,este sistema tiene una producción de frecuencias por debajo del mismo subwoofer y tiene gran fidelidad,saludos...
thanks
It would be nice if your videos and site gave the basic outside dimensions of your speaker builds.
Thanks for the feedback 👊
Inset controls would have been the cherry on a great project
I know right, I ran out of time and got a bit lazy...
Impressive for such a little bitty driver!
Thanks
Maybe si a good idea for the New Onésimo in this world of the audio that you explain in a video what is a passive radiator and why to use it
A passive radiator acts very similar to a bass port. It is tuned to a specific frequency, same as a bass port, but it eliminates the typical noise that is associated with a bass port.
its beautiful
i like that sound in fast motion on 5.1 lol sounds soothing for some reason,then that song comes on ,was enjoyable thx you
This sounds and looks great! Although high frequencies don't sound good on passive radiators.
Thanks
that radiator will not reproduce high frequencies because it is set with a subwoofer, think before speaking.
@@dolbyased6962 no I mean the higher frequency bass sounds bad (like 200hz)
It does not play 200z, the internal crossover cuts it of before that to integrate with the stereo pair.
@@SoundBlab so what's the highest frequency this plays?
Maybe someday we make subwoofer race championship, which is smallest, but loudest
Really beautiful
Thank you so much 😊
Awesome bass
Thanks ✌️
You're a talented builder. I wish I knew how to do that.
Thanks
Next build one using that 3" sub woofer
When will people remember that a woofer reproduces relatively flat down to 30Htz whereas a Subwoofer should be reproducing down 1/2 to 1 octave lower, typically 15 to 20Hz? My Bass guitar plays down to 15Hz and only uses 10inch "woofers" in a ported cabinet. Keep up the good construction videos!!!!
Wrong. Sub bass frequencies start at 60Hz and go down to 20Hz, 20 being our sonic threshold. Anything below that is only felt, not heard. So what you are referring to as a 'woofer' that plays 'flat down to 30hz' would still be called a SUBwoofer as it's playing the aforementioned SUB bass frequencies. If the bass frequency of a particular speaker rolled off at 50 or 60 Hz then THAT would be generally called a mere woofer.
Here's an article - www.teachmeaudio.com/mixing/techniques/audio-spectrum
Thanks you! I think this 'small subwoofer' is probably a good option if you have smaller desktop speakers that can'y go as low as 30Hz, but cut off in effective response after 50 to 60Hz. Then this will be perfect to fill in the lower registers to give a fuller sound.
This popped into my recommended feed and I immediately recognised your accent. Loved the build and would like to try something like this, wonder how it will compare to my PSB Subseries 100. Cheers from another Cape Townian.
Thanks Pierre!
Thats an interesting passive radiator
Mind aswell just mount a nonpowered fan that size into it as a port for the air / wind from the bass. That would be cool to add. Instead of a rounded/tubed port, or a vented. A regular small nonpowered fan would be cool to use. The wind / air from bass will move the fan.
Nice! Also this video has inspired me to Build a small 3way with the amsll 5 or 6" Sub from TB.
Cool!
How's that going
As impressive as the graph is and how low it goes for its size, its probably not going to have the excursion at that size to produce meaningful low bass to compliment anything but the tinniest of desktop speakers for a computer. Having stepped up to a 6.5" TB subwoofer would have been better as it would easily be twice to 3x the output. Sure its bigger, but its a more usable project then. It is a very nice build though. Great wood working.
Tx
That is totally awesome but cutting out those non circular speaker and radiator cutouts takes some router skills. Using a router is not as easy as it looks I have f-ed up a lot of wood learning how to use one. I am impressed with jig he built as I was wondering how did those perfect cutouts. I would still end up wasting an entire sheet of mdf to build this little guy.
Thanks man!
Looks great nonetheless
Thanks!
Very good video to show an idea.
interesting... shame we cannot listen the same through the other side of the screen (things like mic, encoding, playback setup, etc. counts).
I listen to much BRRRRRRRR but at 19:00 starts to sound better! With this size you can do 2, 3 o 4 to place anywhere lol
One thing about it, the bass should be fast enough even if it isn't loud enough. Need a line array of about 10 of these on each side.
I really like to see you tune that enclosure with weight added to PR. There’s not much out there on how to do that properly
I have not experimented with that yet and also curious to see what difference it might make.
Hell with the subwoofer, I want your shop!
Awesome job. I'd like building one up, but... I'm short of wood tools... But I've both FDM and Resin printers, and can access a 42W laser cutter, therefore I'd like a lot to find a project that uses digital fabrication "facilities". Hasn't anyone done this, yet? Thanks
It'd sell big as a portable backpack thing.
Good build
Tx
Unfortunately I bought the driver (W5-2053) on it's own. Then found out that the passive radiators I bought to use with it required massive lead weights and still weren't tuning quite right.
Apparently Tang Band won't sell you just the passive radiators, either. So I was fucked.
I just got done building a ported box for it, and it still plays down to 32 or 33 pretty usably. 35hz is solid.
This isn't crazy loud, and won't shake the room, but it complements the 3" rear loaded horn speakers I built from Tang Band's plans.
Yeah bummer that they only sell it as a bundle! Glad you made it work though!
Why does the passive radiator look like a fan?
Think about it kid. A subwoofer works by moving air and pressurizing it
In the thumbnail i thought it was 3d printed or something
same thought
I was hoping it was... this thing is begging to be 3d printed.
Cardboard
Need to make it a little bigger and add speaker from Dynaudio sub
GODDAMN Tang makes some badass drivers!! :D
With enough pressure, 4 inches can seem big 😏
weird. it sounds exactly like my setup but in a small box!
Great build, great video... but sadly your mic cannot capture low end note..
Thank you! It sounds fine when I listen to it. Perhaps upgrade your system.
My speaker clearly can’t play it!
Maybe because of the -9 db on 30 hz of the subwoofer
No Bass here either. Using a good sub here which normally produces low frequencies well on CZcams.
Excellent build would like to have 2 or 4 of these Subs in a soundbar. And bass box for a hatchback. Need slim looking boxes. Guess 4 tang band could be equivalent to a 10”
All you have to do is add up the surface area of the cone and find a larger single subwoofer with the equivalent surface area. That will give you a rough idea of whether they will move the same amount of air.
No I don't think itd be close.
Well they are 4" speakers, two would be the equivilant of a 8". I think you would hear the bass more than feel it. It is a good idea if one is concerned about packaging and fitment. I imagine these are fast moving subs and could be used to assist one or two bigger woofers or subwoofers. I can imagine some sick sounds, keeping these with the passive radiators, and including some bigger woofers and subs in appropriate sealed and ported boxes.
How does this really perform? is it a true frequency response down to 33hz?
this is porn! I made some 2", 4", 5", 6,5" and 10" buletooth speakers but this has to be next :]
Cool man!
buletooth -muletooth=bluetooth
Looks awesome but sounds like it has a lot of distortion. One should not go like below 8" for a subwoofer with a PR, to get a decent performance with acceptable distortion at 30Hz I guess. Being an idiot, opted for two 21"s... :-D
Thanks. I think I can still add some additional weight to the PR which might reduce some of the distortion in the lower registers.
Development of Buchardt for the S400 series. Much nicer depths can be achieved than with smooth air vent systems.
Claro q con esa herramienta !!!!!
Another awesome build. Thank you
Thanks 😊
Awesome build mate... just wish you flush mounted the amp plate 🥴
Thanks. Agree... hindsight 20/20
I have to say this is a very nice build. Simple, but nice.
I don't understand this passive radiator though. No diaphragm? It's not really much of a radiator then. Woofer´s really impressive though, 8mm Xmax at 4 inches of diameter? Wow. The only problem with this is that it would need a lot of power.
Tx. Yes, the driver is not very sensitive, so you need a powerful amp to drive it.
That's the strangest passive radiator that I have ever seen. Like were is the surround?
I wonder if the sound quality would improve if you fill the inside of the speaker with small polystyrene balls as they do on smartphone speakers.
suman .P just cotton wool would do
idk maybe their recording cut the low frequencies out of the sound demo but this didn't engage my sub at all only hit midrage so atm i would hardly call this thing a subwoofer
That's just the result of CZcams's compression on sound which is crap. I've heard this driver in different applications and it hits low to be so small.
Actually the impedance curve is also important to show, there you can see the real resonance of the woofer.
With this small woofer would be better they use many small neodymium magnets so can more space for air go around the magnets. I would honestly try change the magnets or atleast make bigger whole in the centre of the magnet pole
It's a nice little thing but it doesn't kick as hard as the bigger stuff. Also what was the first song you played at the end of the video at 17:00
Amazing skills and talent! Well done
Thank you so much 😀
32hz thats impressed for a four inch speaker.
on the technical paper it is visible that it goes down only to 40hz. not 33.
thats where my speakers go already..
Should have flush mounted the amp plate. But other than that great build.
Thanks
That’s dope as hell
Thanks
Who has a system that can play the 20HZ sounding bass at 11:22-11:27? Not someone with 4" speaker! My quad 8" on the tower speakers with self powered LFE input were struggling. Glad I have a dedicated sub coming soon.
I do own some Genelec (5 inch) and 20Hz is no problem. All depends on the total system.
How is the passive radiator moving more and producing more bass than the speaker it self lol
Very nice clean build !
Thanks