(Letter from the Editors of the National Lampoon, some time in the 1970s) "Dear Sirs, I've spent most of my years being a cowboy dad. Now I'm a space dad. What a marvelous career I've built! -- Lorne Green"
My Dad served on the USS Archerfish in WWII and was aboard when it sunk the Shinano.My Dad just celebrated his 91st B'day...God Bless all our Veterans.
+evergrn76 Give your Dad my respects. Even while on Lifeguard Duty he was watching out for my Father, who was a Flight Engineer on a B-29 out of Tiinian.
+ evergrn76 Shinano was originally designed as a battleship, a sistership of Yamato and MUsashi. She was the largest aircraft carrier ever built until USS Enterprise in 1961. Shinano was sunk on her maiden voyage. She must be the most short-lived aircraft carrier in the naval history.
Steve Gardner My Dad was a ‘flight engineer’ as well. He was with the “509th” (Silverplate) . . . he was a Camera Operator on “Royal Flush”. He was a founding member of SAC. Our last stationing was Pease AFB in New Hampshire. He was with the 509th again. Only this time on B-47s.
My dad was a navy lieutenant commander in WW2, he ran a torpedo shop in the Solomons. I remember watching this show in the 50's. After the war he served with fellow officer Robert Stack at Alameda Naval Air Station, California.
Only 4 of the 6 torpedoes hit. It took hours for Shinano to sink. The areas where the torpedoes hit happened to be crucial. That doesn't change the result, but it is what happened.
the Gar story as well i think, he did several of them, great actor, even without the star trek stuff. i recall he did some westerns with Jimmy Stewart as well
He is best remembered for his role of 'Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy' on the "Star Trek" series of movies and television shows. His often quoted diagnosis, "He's dead, Jim" became an icon of the Star Trek shows. Born Jackson DeForest Kelley in Toccoa, Georgia, he was inspired to try acting during a visit to his uncle in Long Beach, California. The two-week stay became a year long, and upon returning to his parents in Atlanta, he announced that he was returning to California to become an actor. While acting in a training film for the United States Navy during World War II, he was spotted by a talent scout and signed to a contract with Paramount Pictures
something I just noticed in these movies; when the sub is dive or surfacing the people are standing straight up, not hanging on, makes for an odd perception moment. GOD bless our veterans, their blood saved us from being slaves....
There;s a book about this action authored by Captain Enright called "Shinano!" It tells what was happening both on Archerfish and the carrier. Good read.
During the war, the US Navy did not believe the original ship's log, it's captain, anyone. The Shinano was not known to even be at sea -- that's why. The IJN had slipped it out 'early.' This flick revises events -- to make Pearl look super smart. This controversy is WHY none of the senior officers from the Archerfish appear in this episode. Commendations were not handed out to them. They were consigned to the legion of sub crews that over-claimed sinkings. It took years for the USN to get the history corrected... from IJN records.
"ARCHER-FISH" The hyphen was added during the war(unlike every other submarine name) and belongs. You can read about this entire story in Enright's book "SHINANO" With the Dace vent where Enright asked to be relieved, they could NOT tell the WHOLE story when they made this show- most of it was classified till the 1980s! What really happened was that Enright received an "ULTRA" message(intercepted Japanese decrypt commo) that there was a carrier on a specific course, and gave Enright a location to intercept it. Enright's navigator realized the Kuriosho current was stronger than anticipated, which would put the carrier 9 miles further away if their navigator did not correct for it... Enright had to decide to go to the location that CINCPAC said they should find it, or 9 miles distant where it might be. Early in the war the captains were still following peacetime protocols. Enright followed the book, and put the sub where CINPAC said- and the carrier was 9 miles away, which was right where the navigator said it would be. Part of the problem was if the sub was sighted by the carrier where CINCPAC said, the Japanese might figure their codes were compromised. Part of the reason the carrier was 9 miles distant was, as mentioned, the Kuriosho Curent, and the Japanese navigator NOT realizing how fast it was flowing as they were in a hurry to get home... Read the book- VERY good! Wow- They BS'd the WHOLE story! US intelligence had NO CLUE at all that SHINANO was being built, or even existed! NONE! They knew three hulls were built of the YAMATO class: YAMATO and MUSASHI were already at sea, but they believed the third one abandoned(as was the FOURTH, which never made it past the keel stage before being scrapped for other more pressing ship repairs) ALL communications regarding her construction were secure phone, or hand carried: the drydock she was built was very secure, and fenced against observation, and NO photos whatsoever were allowed! The only two existing photos of SHINANO were one taken surreptitiously from another ship during her first sea trial, and one -OVERLOOKED- from a B-29 recon- which was not found till after the war! Joe Enright simply got LUCKY when he found her: Quite literally, it was her one and only run into the sea- She was being moved from her builder to t he Inland Sea for final testing and fitting out, against the wishes of her commander, Capt. Abe, And ARCHER-FISH and Enright were just at the right place at the right time- and THAT only because Joe Enright talked himself into another boat at Midway- he took over for a skipped who came back very sick- and most of his crew was relieved when it was discovered WHAT he was sick with: Joe Enright picked an experienced crew from submariners attached as replacements at Midway, and went to sea with a battle ready team, and a good ship, as well as better insight into what was expected of the captain of a wartime sub- That HE was the man on the spot, and had ALL the FINAL AUTHORITY in making the decisions, rather than CINCPAC, a thousand miles away... Also, only four torpedoes struck SHINANO, not six: They were aimed shallower than normal, because Joe Enright had a discussion with one of his friends about metacentric height, and capsizing a ship, rather than simply sinking it... He managed to hit just above the armor belt in SHINANO that Captain Abe(her CO) believed would make the ship impenetrable. She took several hours to sink, and was the single largest ship sunk in the war(if not history)
That was a great story. Thanks a lot. I have heard and read about how the proper placement (running depth) of torpedos was important in sinking or capsizing a target. It all depended on where it hit certain ships. Especially ‘War Ships’. I can only imagine How the SHINANO would have looked with the YAMATO & the MUSASHI sailing in a fleet operation. The whole thing was moot after Midway. By 1944 “The Sleeping Giant was wide awake.
This was an awesome story Scott, and thank you for your insights into the sinking of the Shinano and the story of her attack by Archer-fish. It really just made her sinking all that much more enjoyable.
i was taken once again back to my 4th-5th-6th grade years , checking out books in the school library, reading about the Darter and Dace, the recently found Harder , and yes the Archerfish and their skippers who were all childhood heroes to me, my plan back then was to be in the Navy, to be a Submariner, and do all the things that these great crews did, as i got older, i got interested in helicopters and ended up switching my plans to work on attack helicopters instead, i fell into some pretty good company along the way and managed to do pretty well in my time served. never forgot those subs though, the scene where Lockwood's message of "your picture is on the piano" brought it all back.
I just watched another recreation of the Archerfish's historic attack on Shinano today (a modern uneducated story) and they tried to make Joe Enright sound like a bumbling captain after having relieved himself of command, but I can fully understand how much it hurt him to having given up command, but he certainly gave it to the Japanese that day. Way to go Joe and crew!
I remember how much I loved this series as a child. I became obsessed with Submarines. Today I enjoy it just as much. If ever a series should be re-released in color, this is it! Purchased the entire series from Loving the Classics. Delivery took a month. Worth the wait. So many future TV and movie stars as the Captains on this series!
Shinanos problem was lack of water tight integrity and a crew of recruits to the IJN. So when disaster hit chaos must have been great and she went down fast cause the sea flooded in. I've stood at Archerfishs periscope in the harbor at CFB Esqumalt.This was just before she was struck off USN register.
It’s interesting that they are talking about the Shinano…..considering at the time of her sinking Naval Intelligence didn’t know anything about her in fact after the Archerfish sank her the Navy denied that the Archerfish sank anything so big. It wasn’t until well after the war that the history of the Shinano was known and the Navy acknowledged the Archerfish claim.
I just watched a short documentary about the Shinano and then re-watched this. There was quite a cat-and-mouse game that went on between the two. According to the other source, two of the six torpedoes missed and it took quite some time for the Shinano to sink. 71,000 tons. Over a thousand men killed.
A submarine named Vulcan appears in at least two episodes of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Wouldn't it have been funny if De Forest Kelley had been the captain of the Vulcan?
Sad that was the last time they met with Dealy, when Archerfish left for the Patrol Dealy & all his Crew were killed two months later. and the day they departed on this Patrol Wahoo was lost and they were waiting to hear from Her.
Thanks for sharing. I have enjoyed watching these and seeing all the stars I know when they were young. Anyone else notice William Boyd the Sargent from Adam-12? This is the stuff the History Channel should be showing.
You bet I caught the Sarge Mark. I always liked the Sarge in ADAM 12 too. He also played a battalion chief a few times on I think it was another great TV show EMERGENCY!
I have recognized *so MANY* "Star Trek Vet[eran]s" in old shows like this ... Gene Roddenberry was a spawning ground for careers!! (Just think: where would Astronaut Jenna Jamison be today without Star Trek? Or Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson? Or Dr. Stephen "Wrong-Again-Albert!" Hawking?)
this has to be the best men ever doing everything our country needed. The very fact that radar was adapted so quickly is why our submarines denuded Japan of it's shipping so greatly. And the radar was very flaky, and did not have our frequency analyzers and for frequency control they spun a capacitor tuner with an electric motor to try to get the right shape wavefront on the microwave. probably 100 adjustments of pots and coils.
That's not how Shinano's destruction happened. No one knew about Shinano. The submarine commander was chastised for exaggerating the size of the target. It wasn't until well after the war that the captain's name was cleared.
Tony Ennis, As this docudrama was about the United States Navy and heavily influenced by said Navy they obviously used a huge slice of artistic License covered with a propaganda sauce. The memory’s of WWII were still fresh in the minds of the American people in the 1950s so the powers that be were not going to let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Shinarno sailed on the 19th nov zig zaging all the way down the coast, there was 5 torpedies fired at shinarno and took 2 days to sink. The escorts were expert captains at hunting submerines, on the attack run in shinarno with its red light on top of the mast called of the attack, the destroyers captains would not disobay a order from senior captain. Sunk on the 29 th nov and the reason it sank when all your watertight doors are on the flight deck, the japanese did not put much effect into damage control, you can work out the rest. I am ex Australian navy sailor in engineer and I have built the model in 1/72 scale and radio controll and its weight was 72,000 tons, heavier and longer than Yamaoto at 65,000 tons. The skipper was credited with the kill in 1946 late after the navy said he was crazy and the nav did a drawing of it through the periscope as written evidence.
@@allandavis8201 I have read of incredible nitpicking by US naval command sharply critical of sub commanders who would sink half a convoy but "let the others get away" because of depth charging. The captain of the Archerfish, just after firing the 6 torpedoes, immediately dove to 400 feet and so couldn't pursue the wounded Shinano. I imagine that was due to healthy respect of the three IJN destroyers there. I also imagine the US captain caught a lot of cr ap for not resurfacing to press another attack.
Damn it Jim, I am a sub commander not a doctor.! It's too bad the men of WWII and there accomplishments and sacrifices are being forgotten. My uncle lost his life on Argonaut, my cousin a survivor of the Battan death march and the sinking of the shino Maru (80 of 800 survived), and my father fighting the Fascists/leftists murders in Europe, For what, to be forgotten , while our children are taught only about the bad things. like everywhere else is eden but own country a guilty evil place where fully half of us are thought of as Deplorable Racists.
@@nonyadamnbusiness9887 Thats correct ....the militaristic Nipponese empire ---- While nowadays ---- groups like antifa ---- are the new fascists ---- (despite their name) Naming of political parties is all soap & stories ... politics is smoke & mirrors hey
Later research shows the Archerfish fired 6 torpedoes, and 4 struck the Shinano which sunk some time later. The sinking showed the extreme skill and bravery of the Archerfish crew and skipper, who at one point had to sail their submerged submarine only 10 feet under a Japanese destroyer before firing 6 forward torpedoes at the carrier. The incident also revealed incredible arrogance and incompetence of the Japanese high command in allowing only three destroyers as escort and no air cover for this mission. Salute to the brave and loyal sailors of both sides.
Deforest Kelly was without a doubt one of the best actors on “Star Trek”. Wether it was on TV or later on the ‘Big Screen’ the character of ‘Scotty’ stood shoulder to shoulder with Captain Kirk and Science Officer ‘Spock’. These must have been his ‘Sophomore’ years on TV. By the time he joined the ‘Varsity’,on the Star Trek Films, he had his role “carved in Stone”. He’s as recognizable as ‘Sean Connery’ He was always my favorite.
It took great courage for Joe Enright to give up command of USS DACE "for the good of The Service" when he thought he didn't have "The Right Stuff". Wonderful that he found out he was wrong about that in the biggest way possible.
Omg it’s DeForest Kelley! Bones from Star Trek! Gosh!! I was watching this abs noticed the similarities, and had to search his name, and then silent service! And there he is! Apparently he is also in another silent service episode s1 ep5 “the spearfish delivers” Apparently this episode is ep1 of s2
@@bvnseven in 1955 he appeared in a TV series, "You Are There"; the episode was about the O.K.Corral. He played Ike Clanton. Then, in 1957, he played Morgan Earp, in "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral". And of course, he was percieved as Tom McLaury, in the TOS episode, "Spectre of the Gun"
When you take into account the age of these docudramas the quality is really very good, even the animation are reasonable. If I am not mistaken isn’t it DeForest Kelly as the captain? If so it would mean that he outranked James T Kirk by several centuries. But I could be totally and utterly wrong, will have to watch the credits, for once, to see if I am right or wrong. 👍 Beam me up Dr McCoy, sorry wrong person.
American intelligence gets to much credit here.The Americans didn't know about a carrier named Shinano. After it was sunk the Americans intercepted a Japanese message saying Shinano had been sunk. They figured. that the ship that Archerfish sank was a cruiser. The navy figured the captain was either mistaken or exaggerating his target.
Exactly right. SUBCOMPAC at first refused to give Enright credit for a carrier, they claimed Japan had no carrier in the area and had none left that big. And it wasn't until after the war that the US realized just how big Shinano was.
Adding to the confusion were the Japanese naming conventions: cruisers were named after rivers, battleships after Japanese provinces, and carriers after flying creatures (often mythical ones). Thus, when the US codebreakers picked up chatter about "Shinano", the assumed it was a cruiser named after the Shinano River. The thought that Enright's "carrier" might have been a converted battleship named for Shinano province didn't occur to them.
18:47 name shinano 21:44 hamakaze or yukikaze 21:53 hamakaze and yukikaze 21:56 izokaze 22:46 shinano last SISTER SHIP OF YAMATO class 23:14 crewmembers of shinano GO TO lifeboats and captain ABE DIE in the shinano
What are the most likely spots on an aircraft Carrier to get Secondary explosions. What are the most vulnerable spots on other ships .. Freighters, Destroyers and Crusiers
From a sub skipper, to desk jockey, to lifeguard, to hunter-killer, and finally a starship doctor.
Heck of a career.
(Letter from the Editors of the National Lampoon, some time in the 1970s)
"Dear Sirs,
I've spent most of my years being a cowboy dad. Now I'm a space dad. What a marvelous career I've built! -- Lorne Green"
I'm a doctor not a submarine captain! LOL
He also fought at the OK corral twice, once on Star Trek.
He was the skipper aboard at least three submarines for this series. Good actor in his own right.
My Dad served on the USS Archerfish in WWII and was aboard when it sunk the Shinano.My Dad just celebrated his 91st B'day...God Bless all our Veterans.
+evergrn76 Give your Dad my respects. Even while on Lifeguard Duty he was watching out for my Father, who was a Flight Engineer on a B-29 out of Tiinian.
My Dad did as well. He was on board the first three missions in WW2. Rear torpedo room.
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evergrn76
Shinano was originally designed as a battleship, a sistership of Yamato and MUsashi. She was the largest aircraft carrier ever built until USS Enterprise in 1961. Shinano was sunk on her maiden voyage. She must be the most short-lived aircraft carrier in the naval history.
God Bless your father. Mine was a flight engineer on B-29s. He was with the 509th Composite Group (NH). He flew as a Camera Operator on “Royal Flush”.
Steve Gardner My Dad was a ‘flight engineer’ as well. He was with the “509th” (Silverplate) . . . he was a Camera Operator on “Royal Flush”. He was a founding member of SAC. Our last stationing was Pease AFB in New Hampshire. He was with the 509th again. Only this time on B-47s.
Dammit, I'm a sub commander, not a doctor!
My dad was a navy lieutenant commander in WW2, he ran a torpedo shop in the Solomons. I remember watching this show in the 50's. After the war he served with fellow officer Robert Stack at Alameda Naval Air Station, California.
Only 4 of the 6 torpedoes hit. It took hours for Shinano to sink. The areas where the torpedoes hit happened to be crucial. That doesn't change the result, but it is what happened.
That's a young DeForrst Kelley- Dr. "Bones" McCoy of the starship Enterprise.......
Sure is
Damn it Jim. I'm a doctor not a submarine captain!
With a Damn fine haircut!
LOL, I knew he looked familiar. That’s for clearing that up for me.
@yankeefan42A Yes, he had a full career in the U.S.Navy, before here joined Starfleet!....
Deforest Kelly was another sub commander in "The Spearfish Delivers."
the Gar story as well i think, he did several of them, great actor, even without the star trek stuff. i recall he did some westerns with Jimmy Stewart as well
He is best remembered for his role of 'Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy' on the "Star Trek" series of movies and television shows. His often quoted diagnosis, "He's dead, Jim" became an icon of the Star Trek shows. Born Jackson DeForest Kelley in Toccoa, Georgia, he was inspired to try acting during a visit to his uncle in Long Beach, California. The two-week stay became a year long, and upon returning to his parents in Atlanta, he announced that he was returning to California to become an actor. While acting in a training film for the United States Navy during World War II, he was spotted by a talent scout and signed to a contract with Paramount Pictures
" He's dead, Jim. You get his tricorder, I'll get his wallet. "
So, when did he become a submarine captain?
@@alanmacification LOVE IT!!
@@tracychriss5645 The film was made in 1958.
something I just noticed in these movies; when the sub is dive or surfacing the people are standing straight up, not hanging on, makes for an odd perception moment. GOD bless our veterans, their blood saved us from being slaves....
Because the boat is remaining level during surfacing. What you see in the opening is (I learned from "The Hunt for Red October") is an emergency blow.
There;s a book about this action authored by Captain Enright called "Shinano!" It tells what was happening both on Archerfish and the carrier. Good read.
During the war, the US Navy did not believe the original ship's log, it's captain, anyone.
The Shinano was not known to even be at sea -- that's why. The IJN had slipped it out 'early.'
This flick revises events -- to make Pearl look super smart.
This controversy is WHY none of the senior officers from the Archerfish appear in this episode.
Commendations were not handed out to them. They were consigned to the legion of sub crews that over-claimed sinkings.
It took years for the USN to get the history corrected... from IJN records.
"ARCHER-FISH" The hyphen was added during the war(unlike every other submarine name) and belongs. You can read about this entire story in Enright's book "SHINANO" With the Dace vent where Enright asked to be relieved, they could NOT tell the WHOLE story when they made this show- most of it was classified till the 1980s! What really happened was that Enright received an "ULTRA" message(intercepted Japanese decrypt commo) that there was a carrier on a specific course, and gave Enright a location to intercept it. Enright's navigator realized the Kuriosho current was stronger than anticipated, which would put the carrier 9 miles further away if their navigator did not correct for it... Enright had to decide to go to the location that CINCPAC said they should find it, or 9 miles distant where it might be. Early in the war the captains were still following peacetime protocols. Enright followed the book, and put the sub where CINPAC said- and the carrier was 9 miles away, which was right where the navigator said it would be. Part of the problem was if the sub was sighted by the carrier where CINCPAC said, the Japanese might figure their codes were compromised. Part of the reason the carrier was 9 miles distant was, as mentioned, the Kuriosho Curent, and the Japanese navigator NOT realizing how fast it was flowing as they were in a hurry to get home... Read the book- VERY good! Wow- They BS'd the WHOLE story! US intelligence had NO CLUE at all that SHINANO was being built, or even existed! NONE! They knew three hulls were built of the YAMATO class: YAMATO and MUSASHI were already at sea, but they believed the third one abandoned(as was the FOURTH, which never made it past the keel stage before being scrapped for other more pressing ship repairs) ALL communications regarding her construction were secure phone, or hand carried: the drydock she was built was very secure, and fenced against observation, and NO photos whatsoever were allowed! The only two existing photos of SHINANO were one taken surreptitiously from another ship during her first sea trial, and one -OVERLOOKED- from a B-29 recon- which was not found till after the war! Joe Enright simply got LUCKY when he found her: Quite literally, it was her one and only run into the sea- She was being moved from her builder to t he Inland Sea for final testing and fitting out, against the wishes of her commander, Capt. Abe, And ARCHER-FISH and Enright were just at the right place at the right time- and THAT only because Joe Enright talked himself into another boat at Midway- he took over for a skipped who came back very sick- and most of his crew was relieved when it was discovered WHAT he was sick with: Joe Enright picked an experienced crew from submariners attached as replacements at Midway, and went to sea with a battle ready team, and a good ship, as well as better insight into what was expected of the captain of a wartime sub- That HE was the man on the spot, and had ALL the FINAL AUTHORITY in making the decisions, rather than CINCPAC, a thousand miles away... Also, only four torpedoes struck SHINANO, not six: They were aimed shallower than normal, because Joe Enright had a discussion with one of his friends about metacentric height, and capsizing a ship, rather than simply sinking it... He managed to hit just above the armor belt in SHINANO that Captain Abe(her CO) believed would make the ship impenetrable. She took several hours to sink, and was the single largest ship sunk in the war(if not history)
That was a great story. Thanks a lot. I have heard and read about how the proper placement (running depth) of torpedos was important in sinking or capsizing a target. It all depended on where it hit certain ships. Especially ‘War Ships’. I can only imagine How the SHINANO would have looked with the YAMATO & the MUSASHI sailing in a fleet operation. The whole thing was moot after Midway. By 1944 “The Sleeping Giant was wide awake.
So what was the skipper sick with and why was most of the crew relieved?
At least intel was current and nobody was trying to ruin each other's careers !
This was an awesome story Scott, and thank you for your insights into the sinking of the Shinano and the story of her attack by Archer-fish. It really just made her sinking all that much more enjoyable.
Terrific comment elaborating on an already fascinating story. Thanks Scott!
i was taken once again back to my 4th-5th-6th grade years , checking out books in the school library, reading about the Darter and Dace, the recently found Harder , and yes the Archerfish and their skippers who were all childhood heroes to me, my plan back then was to be in the Navy, to be a Submariner, and do all the things that these great crews did, as i got older, i got interested in helicopters and ended up switching my plans to work on attack helicopters instead, i fell into some pretty good company along the way and managed to do pretty well in my time served. never forgot those subs though, the scene where Lockwood's message of "your picture is on the piano" brought it all back.
I just watched another recreation of the Archerfish's historic attack on Shinano today (a modern uneducated story) and they tried to make Joe Enright sound like a bumbling captain after having relieved himself of command, but I can fully understand how much it hurt him to having given up command, but he certainly gave it to the Japanese that day. Way to go Joe and crew!
The Shinano, it's dead Jim!
It sure was. He also played several tough guys in many westerns
I watched these shows in the 50’s, they’re still great WW2 history that needs to be remembered.
"Give me everything the engine's got"....spoken like a different Captain many years later, to his trusted engineer Scotty.
Damn it Jim, I'm just a country doctor. I don't know anything about electric torpedoes!
"Gimme all you got, Scotty!!"
I remember how much I loved this series as a child. I became obsessed with Submarines. Today I enjoy it just as much. If ever a series should be re-released in color, this is it! Purchased the entire series from Loving the Classics. Delivery took a month. Worth the wait. So many future TV and movie stars as the Captains on this series!
Shinanos problem was lack of water tight integrity and a crew of recruits to the IJN. So when disaster hit chaos must have been great and she went down fast cause the sea flooded in.
I've stood at Archerfishs periscope in the harbor at CFB Esqumalt.This was just before she was struck off USN register.
That's my long-departed friend Dee Kelley! He looks funny without a cowboy hat or a Starfleet uniform!
It’s interesting that they are talking about the Shinano…..considering at the time of her sinking Naval Intelligence didn’t know anything about her in fact after the Archerfish sank her the Navy denied that the Archerfish sank anything so big. It wasn’t until well after the war that the history of the Shinano was known and the Navy acknowledged the Archerfish claim.
"Damn it, Jim! I'm a submarine captain, not a doctor!"
I just watched a short documentary about the Shinano and then re-watched this. There was quite a cat-and-mouse game that went on between the two. According to the other source, two of the six torpedoes missed and it took quite some time for the Shinano to sink. 71,000 tons. Over a thousand men killed.
another episode with Dr McCoy. I never realized how much Lt Dan looked like him.
How funny would it have been if he was doing a show serving on AR-5, the USS Vulcan
A submarine named Vulcan appears in at least two episodes of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Wouldn't it have been funny if De Forest Kelley had been the captain of the Vulcan?
Sad that was the last time they met with Dealy, when Archerfish left for the Patrol Dealy & all his Crew were killed two months later. and the day they departed on this Patrol Wahoo was lost and they were waiting to hear from Her.
Leonard Nimoy is in a few of these Silent Service episodes too. It's too bad they were never in one together.
Thanks for sharing. I have enjoyed watching these and seeing all the stars I know when they were young. Anyone else notice William Boyd the Sargent from Adam-12? This is the stuff the History Channel should be showing.
You bet I caught the Sarge Mark. I always liked the Sarge in ADAM 12 too. He also played a battalion chief a few times on I think it was another great TV show EMERGENCY!
And he was a regular on "DRAGNET". He was part of the Jack Webb Troupe... They all played in each of his shows over the years.
And Highway Patrol.
I have recognized *so MANY* "Star Trek Vet[eran]s" in old shows like this ... Gene Roddenberry was a spawning ground for careers!! (Just think: where would Astronaut Jenna Jamison be today without Star Trek? Or Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson? Or Dr. Stephen "Wrong-Again-Albert!" Hawking?)
This show was clearly shot in the days before sound stages were soundproofed. Or looping was created.
this must have been late in the war after they fixed the torpedos
They fixed them by putting a tamper-proof plug in the alcohol fuel tanks! No more shots on the midwatch!
this has to be the best men ever doing everything our country needed. The very fact that radar was adapted so quickly is why our submarines denuded Japan of it's shipping so greatly. And the radar was very flaky, and did not have our frequency analyzers and for frequency control they spun a capacitor tuner with an electric motor to try to get the right shape wavefront on the microwave. probably 100 adjustments of pots and coils.
That's not how Shinano's destruction happened. No one knew about Shinano. The submarine commander was chastised for exaggerating the size of the target. It wasn't until well after the war that the captain's name was cleared.
Tony Ennis, As this docudrama was about the United States Navy and heavily influenced by said Navy they obviously used a huge slice of artistic License covered with a propaganda sauce. The memory’s of WWII were still fresh in the minds of the American people in the 1950s so the powers that be were not going to let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Shinarno sailed on the 19th nov zig zaging all the way down the coast, there was 5 torpedies fired at shinarno and took 2 days to sink. The escorts were expert captains at hunting submerines, on the attack run in shinarno with its red light on top of the mast called of the attack, the destroyers captains would not disobay a order from senior captain. Sunk on the 29 th nov and the reason it sank when all your watertight doors are on the flight deck, the japanese did not put much effect into damage control, you can work out the rest. I am ex Australian navy sailor in engineer and I have built the model in 1/72 scale and radio controll and its weight was 72,000 tons, heavier and longer than Yamaoto at 65,000 tons. The skipper was credited with the kill in 1946 late after the navy said he was crazy and the nav did a drawing of it through the periscope as written evidence.
@@allandavis8201 I have read of incredible nitpicking by US naval command sharply critical of sub commanders who would sink half a convoy but "let the others get away" because of depth charging. The captain of the Archerfish, just after firing the 6 torpedoes, immediately dove to 400 feet and so couldn't pursue the wounded Shinano. I imagine that was due to healthy respect of the three IJN destroyers there. I also imagine the US captain caught a lot of cr ap for not resurfacing to press another attack.
Boyett also had a recurring role as a Sergent on Highway Patrol. Well before A-12.
Highway Patrol was another good show.
Dad was a tm2nd class on the Archerfish on that campaign.
The captain was a very good friend of the family
What do ya know -Deforest Kelly, later famous for the role of Dr. Leonard McCoy, aboard the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 (Star Trek TOS)
Before USS Archerfish was scrapped I was aboard her when she called at CFB Esquimalt BC.
Damn it Jim, I am a sub commander not a doctor.!
It's too bad the men of WWII and there accomplishments and sacrifices are being forgotten. My uncle lost his life on Argonaut, my cousin a survivor of the Battan death march and the sinking of the shino Maru (80 of 800 survived), and my father fighting the Fascists/leftists murders in Europe, For what, to be forgotten , while our children are taught only about the bad things. like everywhere else is eden but own country a guilty evil place where fully half of us are thought of as Deplorable Racists.
I too am a *proud Deplorable!! Not all boomers are fulla crap and stand with the vile crapola known as Antifa!!*
You realize this series is about people fighting fascism right?
@@howardfortyfive9676 thank goodness! we don't need any more Antifa scum!
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Thats correct ....the militaristic Nipponese empire
---- While nowadays ---- groups like antifa ---- are the new fascists ---- (despite their name)
Naming of political parties is all soap & stories ... politics is smoke & mirrors hey
And the captain ended up as bones the Enterprise
Later research shows the Archerfish fired 6 torpedoes, and 4 struck the Shinano which sunk some time later. The sinking showed the extreme skill and bravery of the Archerfish crew and skipper, who at one point had to sail their submerged submarine only 10 feet under a Japanese destroyer before firing 6 forward torpedoes at the carrier. The incident also revealed incredible arrogance and incompetence of the Japanese high command in allowing only three destroyers as escort and no air cover for this mission. Salute to the brave and loyal sailors of both sides.
Deforest Kelly was without a doubt one of the best actors on “Star Trek”. Wether it was on TV or later on the ‘Big Screen’ the character of ‘Scotty’ stood shoulder to shoulder with Captain Kirk and Science Officer ‘Spock’. These must have been his ‘Sophomore’ years on TV. By the time he joined the ‘Varsity’,on the Star Trek Films, he had his role “carved in Stone”. He’s as recognizable as ‘Sean Connery’ He was always my favorite.
You mean Bones, not Scotty, right?
I never could stand Shatner and still can't to this day. Too obviously FULL of himself in everything he did.
Dammit, Jim! I'm a submariner, not a desk jockey!
Thanks to all of your family and friends who served. Their service was not in vain.
Damnit Jim, I'm a simple country doctor, not a submarine captain.
You pointy eared Vulcan!
With no radar, Japanese radar detectors won't detect you looking for them. A blessing in disguise?
"I'm a doctor, Jim, not a mine layer."
It took great courage for Joe Enright to give up command of USS DACE "for the good of The Service" when he thought he didn't have "The Right Stuff". Wonderful that he found out he was wrong about that in the biggest way possible.
“Move like a butterfly sting like a archer-fish” I think that’s how it goes
These videos were done so well. If only they weren't so stiff and rehearsed during the interviews.
That green blooded bastard. This is his revenge for all those arguments he lost.
Intelligence, my foot! Only picture of SHINANO was ignored. Contact was pure chance.
Dee Kelly was cool his whole Life! I bet Joe Enright would be pleased.
Claggett, Dealey and Enright in the same show! Navy Heroes abound! YAY!!
Omg it’s DeForest Kelley! Bones from Star Trek! Gosh!! I was watching this abs noticed the similarities, and had to search his name, and then silent service! And there he is! Apparently he is also in another silent service episode s1 ep5 “the spearfish delivers”
Apparently this episode is ep1 of s2
This is an excellent historical document and may thanks from Liverpool UK
14:53)Local Board 44 of Ilion, N.Y. drafted me. I was in the US Army 15 months and 4.5 in Nam.
My dad got a draft notice while serving with the Army Corp of Engineers in Korea. 🙄
@@robertdesantis6205 I was at LZ Rome Plow. A traveling unit of Land Engineers in the 18th Engineer Brigade.
@leondillon8723 Glad you made it back. Thanks for serving!
This is the second episode of Silent Service where Deforest Kelly plays the Commander. The other is Spearfish and he plays a different Commander.
Supposedly this Submarine was used for the Exterior and Interior shots for the Movie Operation Petticoat
Was that De Forest Kelly(better known as Doctor Leonard McCoy, from Star Trek:The Original Series), playing Enright? Sure looks like him!
Ronald Finkelstein it is
Add all the Westerns Kelley was in also...
@@bvnseven in 1955 he appeared in a TV series, "You Are There"; the episode was about the O.K.Corral. He played Ike Clanton. Then, in 1957, he played Morgan Earp, in "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral". And of course, he was percieved as Tom McLaury, in the TOS episode, "Spectre of the Gun"
When you take into account the age of these docudramas the quality is really very good, even the animation are reasonable. If I am not mistaken isn’t it DeForest Kelly as the captain? If so it would mean that he outranked James T Kirk by several centuries. But I could be totally and utterly wrong, will have to watch the credits, for once, to see if I am right or wrong. 👍
Beam me up Dr McCoy, sorry wrong person.
Sgt. From Adam 12!!! this is AWESOME!!!
Wow, Dr. McCoy and Sgt. McDonald.
nice to see De Kelly in different parts-tho he will always be "bones" McCoy!
kind of pigeon-holed his career.
I never knew Dr. McCoy commanded a submarine! 😆
Hey It's Doc McCoy from Star Trek!
My compliments to Captain Dunsel.
American intelligence gets to much credit here.The Americans didn't know about a carrier named Shinano. After it was sunk the Americans intercepted a Japanese message saying Shinano had been sunk. They figured. that the ship that Archerfish sank was a cruiser. The navy figured the captain was either mistaken or exaggerating his target.
Exactly right. SUBCOMPAC at first refused to give Enright credit for a carrier, they claimed Japan had no carrier in the area and had none left that big. And it wasn't until after the war that the US realized just how big Shinano was.
Adding to the confusion were the Japanese naming conventions: cruisers were named after rivers, battleships after Japanese provinces, and carriers after flying creatures (often mythical ones). Thus, when the US codebreakers picked up chatter about "Shinano", the assumed it was a cruiser named after the Shinano River. The thought that Enright's "carrier" might have been a converted battleship named for Shinano province didn't occur to them.
'Damn it Jim, I'm a submariner, not a Doctor!'
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its cool to see bones giving orders to fenry honda
Jackson Kelley did a great job in this movie.
Very few people know his name was Jackson DeForest Kelley.
18:47 name shinano
21:44 hamakaze or yukikaze
21:53 hamakaze and yukikaze
21:56 izokaze
22:46 shinano last SISTER SHIP OF YAMATO class
23:14 crewmembers of shinano GO TO lifeboats and captain ABE DIE in the shinano
Dammit, Jim... I'm a doctor not a Swabbie!
*"DAMMIT, JIM!* I'm a doctor, not a World War Two submarine com-- wait-- yes. Yes, I *AM* a WWII submarine commander! Arm catheters!! *IRRIGATE!!"*
McCoy served on a ship named after Archer ... Who knew?
Load transporter 1 with fulton torpedos Mr Scott
'dammit; jim; I'm a doctor, not a submarine comman....... wait.....'
Ironically, Kelly wanted to be a doctor like his uncle but his family could not afford to send him to medical school.
16:44 battle station
But Bones, you are one of the best medical doctors in Star Fleet Command. You never included your being a submarine Captain on your resume?
Please give your dad my respects
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a submarine commander!
That looks like Dr. McCoy " Bones" from Star Trek .
It is him.
Hey Bubblehead, Thanks for Sharing! MT2 (SS)
What are the most likely spots on an aircraft Carrier to get Secondary explosions. What are the most vulnerable spots on other ships .. Freighters, Destroyers and Crusiers
Damn it Jim, Im a captain. Not a doctor
Star Trek Dr. McCoy!!!
This was a good show
Charles Goodson
Six of Six bullseyes ! !
I’ll say !
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Damn, I didn’t know Doc was that old!
Is this guy the man who played the doctor on the original Star Trek? (His name escapes me at the moment.)
Sure looks like him to me.
Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor, Not a Submarine Comnmander!
Dan that comes in at 9:10 was the Adam -12 Sargent of the two stars .
"Bones" gets around in this series.
Dammitt Jim, I’m a Doctor not a Romulan Sub-commander!
We miss you, Dee.
I'm a captain admiral. Not a miracle worker!
so long joe. so long pete. ok sam ....great writing.
Damnit Jim! I'm a doctor not a sub-commander!
“Jim, he’s dead!”
I thought for a few minutes the "Big E" had their chance of getting a new Chief Medical Officer!
He made a good captain