How To Choose Your Next EMTB | Visiting Canyon’s UK HQ
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2023
- Great full-suspension electric mountain bikes range between £3000 and £15,000. But how much more or less are you getting between one price point and the other? Motor, battery, components spec, price, and colour are all important factors when buying a new EMTB. In this video, Steve Jones explains the difference between diving deeper, or lesser into your pockets.
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Price and availability was all I considered when I bought my emtb last year. I have absolutely zero regrets and love it
Just buy the base model and upgrade as and when needed.
Hey there fellas! I just wanted to say thank you for all your cool videos that you and your team make and anyway I just really appreciate you guys!
hell of a pub for Canyon! who by the way just lowered the prices of SPECTRAL, TORQUE and STRIVE less than 2 months after their releases ???? Is there a problem of overstock or an exaggerated price at the base?
How to make a marketing video for Canyon and not actually achieve the goal of the title of the video. EMBN does far shadier stuff than LTT, one day it might catch up like it is with Linus.
I had to buy what I could afford . £10k+ wasn’t an option for a bike .
Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 - 4k miles and a lot of smiles . Basic suspension does the job for what I do . Next up grade will be the brakes . Great video .
After reviewing a lot of bikes. Bought the cube stereo hybrid 140 tm. Best value for money in my opinion.
Habe auch dass Stereo Hybrid 140 Action Team gekauft und nach 120km gleich wieder verkauft. Batterieabdeckung konnte nicht eingestellt werden um einen 5mm großen Spalt weg zu bekommen, ergo Wassereintritt zum Akku. Knacken im Steuerlager weil es nicht gefettet war. Einmal Cube nie mehr wieder Cube. Ganz mieser Support.
@@mariop.4898 Für solche Kleinigkeiten hätte ich es nicht verkauft. Hier gibt es noch keine Probleme mit dem cube und er bleibt auch nicht verschont. Schade, dass du Pech hattest.
@@steves365 Mir war das Risiko eines Batterieschadens zu groß. Außerdem erwarte ich mir, wenn ich ein Rad um fast € 7.000,- kaufe, dass ich nicht gleich Hand anlegen muss um zu reparieren. Da war ich dann gleich stink sauer und hatte die Freude daran verloren.
How to chose your next mountain bike is real simple how much coin have i got simple 😂😂😂😂
Yes but there are still many choices for any given price point
The gold accents on the top bike are drop dead gorgeous. I’m about to order a Fox Factory 32 fork just for the beautiful stanchions
I'm looking for my first ebike just now 5k limit but definitely Bosch smart system I want and in the shocks being heaver set just now till get back on the bike I would need around a 160mm 170mm travels
I started cheap with a bottom line Norco Fluid for my wife who, due to medical reasons, could not ride her mtb any more. I rode with her a couple of times and decided if I want to keep up I need an ebike. I got a Scott Genius. More expensive than the Fluid but more features. Norco - Shimano, Scott - Bosch. After many hours on both, Bosch all the way. Better power, better feel. I have ridden a Rocky Mtn Altitude with their proprietary motor. Love the motor, do not like the noise. These three brands are what my LBS carries. So, choosing my next ebike gets simpler. I buy from my favorite LBS that I have known for almost 30 years. I want a Bosch motor so Scott. Now which Scott. I know how I ride so I do not need 170 travel, 150 does the trick. I want carbon wheels, AXS shifting (I have it on my regular mtb and love it), and really good brakes. Scott does not make what I want so the solution? Buy a low end Scott Strike and build. Buying from my LBS means I get a deal on the upgrades and the LBS will sell my take offs for me.
According to the question off choosing an EMTB, for me is still difficult which one to go for, can u compare this models of spectral vs strive, and why choose one or the other @embn?
Any idea if we are getting more than one Spec or colorway choice for the EP801 Spectral:On in the States? At the moment we just have the CF8 in black.
I’m looking at buying my very first e-bike very soon, I’m 6’2” tall and heavy at about 18st, now I know this model isn’t cheap, I’m looking at the 2024 Orbea Wild M-Team, my consideration was this, it’s got lifetime warranty on the frame, it’s got XT group set, reasonably priced to replace components, Fox factory suspension, very tuneable. Especially as I’m heavy and may need a factory tune?? The Bosch CX motor is reliable, it has the free MYO fame colours, small charge component changes and it has awesome online reviews and it gets best e bike on some of them to. And I’ve got two local dealers in my area to test ride, buy and ask advice.
My only consideration was what after sales support i would get when buying my e bike. My LBS pushed me slightly above budget to get the more reliable bike with better warrenty and they have been fantastic with the few issues ive had.
But what e bike specific spares should we consider having in the shed or on hand?
SO what abou the 29" or mullet? For me is a thing to consider. I do mainly XC and long climbs. Does the spectral fits me?
Hi EMTB, can you help? I'm looking to buy my first emtb, im not after the fastest xc or the best dh but the bike thats the most fun to ride, the bike that encorages you to pop off every side hit, jump and manual everything in site, what bike would you recommend?
All 2023MY Spectral:ONs have EP801 motor. My CF7 has it as well
If I had to choose one of the bikes probably the CF8 due to price/performance. The fact it has a Shimano motor does put me off though, as nobody seems to want to repair these motors due to possible issues with the electronics failing and lack of support from Shimano. It seems all emtb motors will require repair at some point and Shimano seem to only want to sell new motors which doesn't help when your warranty expires and is bad for the environment.
Yeah, know loads of folks had issues with Shimano motors, straight in the bin, really environmental friendly. Embn don't seem to want to call them out about it though, channel sponsor. Really independent jurnos ??? I made sure I got the Bosch motor for this very issue. If or when it packs in, plenty of out of warranty repair options and Bosch will supply the parts. So buyer beware
Add to that the disastrous support from Canyon and unfinished and scratched bikes
@@Paulo-fr3xm At last count, Shimano supplied 80% of all e bike motors, so there's a lot more of them out there.
And people online, who knows what they've done to kill a motor, but they advertise it far and wide usually with wild exaggerations that get wilder and wilder.
When I google "shimano ep8 failures" not much comes up.
Online it seems they all fail almost. The EP8 in my bike runs quiet and smooth and makes plenty of power.
I like it fine. Local shop has a good line on shimano rebuilds if needed.
These e bike motors can last 20,000 miles.
cant make my mind up , canyon strive on CFR or the spectral on CF9 , Help
My 2022 CF8 has been great, no complaints, no problems. To me the suspension works pretty darned well as is, once adjusted accordingly.
Local park is all rocks so a good testing place. Can the 36mm forks have a 160 kit put in? If so I might just do it.
More travel, a little more pedal clearance on rocks. The brakes? Are strong one finger stoppers.
Honestly the bike has worked way better than I thought it would.
Im a lifelong dirtbiker so have some sort of feel for suspension, etc.
Have the same model, also love it but after 5 months I changed the airspring for a 160mm and the cranks to 155mm and the difference on clearance is amazing don't hesitate. Airspring is cheap and easy DIY with correct oils and fresh crush washer. Bike is truly immense.
I would love a comparison of smart features and connectivity between different motors and systems.
Which ones have a built in power meter you can access either from the bikes display or via Ant+ or blutetooth etc.
Which ones let´s you display cadence.
Which ones have GPS tracking natively without the need of a smartphone.
Which ones can you pair a heartrate monitor to.
Which ones let you update firmware without visiting a dealer.
Etc.....
I hate that color is factor but, to a degree it real is. I find that when looking at a bike it's not often the top of line is that you want even if you have the money. It's the base model or a step up. The top of the line isn't usually setup the way you wanted and it's more cost effective to buy a lower model and upgraded it the way you want it even if you do it right on day one. Sometimes it's the base model but color and maybe some component that your not going to change bumps you up a model. in case of these bikes the r models are big factor as the frame and motor are different
Hi guys,
Now when I'm looking on spectrals on canyons website. They all have the ep801. So is this not true? Are 7 to 9 the older ep8? I would like the autoshift on my new bike and not care about the color 😊
When are Canyon going to release an SL emtb using Bosch sx motor
Well, we got to be honest with ourselves. If you don't regularly do manuals, bunny-hop over logs and low fences, and tend to be waiting for other riders when in a pack, can you buy gear to cover the lack of technique and skill?
To a point maybe, but isn't the whole point to have fun?
So, for me, it comes down to if e.g a slightly more plush and forgiving suspension increases the fun.
And budget, of course...
So what would fit the normal mtb'er best, and what are the significant differences that one can actually detect when riding without being a pro or semi pro?
it would be great to compare the performance on the trail, not in time, but in feel / fatigue / liveliness etc. Who cares about the speed if you are not racing but riding for fun! So as a fun lovingg rider, which one feels the best?
Why can't we get to choose frame and mottor combinations or EMTB frame only options??? I've got Grand Canyon ON 2019 HARDTAIL) and now im looking for a full sus options. The issue is the bike i want is Cnyon Neuron :ON with CF Frame and shimano EP8 motor,But what Canyon has is CF frame options only with bosh motors for that model. Gues I have to look something from Cube or Vitus .Also if YT makes Cf YZZO Emtb version with an ep8.I'm buying it day 1
I have the ep8 and a bosch powered emtb ... the bosch wins it for me
Buy one 3 months after the new model drops and save about 2k on getting last years model is what i did.
Have you considered making a video on scratch building your own eMTB?
Pretty sure they have
I envy your youth. As I've gotten older I seem to crash harder and it takes me longer to pick myself up. While I can afford one, my mind says its best to stay away. The Ebike I ride is like a Yamaha TW200 motorcycle. Its a compromise and doesn't do any one thing well.
Great and best video and question !!! Thx..it all depends on the driver if you have a 4K or 12 k bike the difference is almost nothing ,Your right ,it all about what bike you like more ,but will you pay more for the color 🤔🤫🤣🙈I would because I’m stupid 😎or I have the spare change 😜thx for the great video 😏but every time I come at home with a new bike my wife tells me me the same what de video is telling us 😒🤔🤫 and I will do again and against one more time 🫣🤣🤣🤣because I love my wife
What is free shift
Why would anyone buy a Canyon a brand that has virtually no support in this country, and judging by the forum comments the support if you get it is appalling 😢
Pretty much the same reason I didn’t buy one, can’t beat the lbs.
I'll take all of it but make it gearbox!
Nice video but it confuses me even more. I am looking for a (first) emtb and the canyons are also on my short list. I was hoping you would specify more what specs fit to what type of riding. What to expect and what not. My current bike is 5 years old so not a good reference for the current parts like suspension. So your experience with all the parts would be a great help, instead of which on looks great colorwise.
I am coming to the opinion that every manufacturer cannot specify a comfortable saddle. let alone chose a decent drive train. The brakes are ho hum quality. Genuine high quality components exist but rarely get fitted. I think the only way to get a good price/performance bike is to build it yourself from individual specialist component suppliers.
You didnt see the video above? Shimano brakes, even the SLX brakes are very strong one finger stoppers with great feel.
Canyon has top of line SRAM or Shimano drive train, take your pick. The seat? Who knows what seat you want? Only you.
What are you looking for? If Shimano or SRAM wont work for you , you'll have to build your own parts.
fortunately 2024 will bring new drive trains. without the need to specify sram or Shimano. @@bradsanders6954
Comes the CFR with Autoshift?
Yes
i dont think anything is better than the new Commencal meta power SX... mini-downhill, still agile for enduro, BIG FAT BATTERY
such co bike
For the average Joe, who just enjoys trail riding ... its a no brainer to just get the cheaper one 🤷🏼♂️... like you say, upgrade if the moment takes you... no way I'd be going for something in 5 figures lol ... I'm not fussed about "fine margins" a second here or there .....
The performance advantage is having the motor. The common sense approach is to spend on a bike that suits the rider you are and the rides you do and not the rider you realstically wont be unless you have the finances which is then a case of style over substance.
The best ebike is the one I have. Marketing strategy 😅
Value for money spec wise has really decreased for Canyon over the last few years.
The market says different, these bikes sell really quickly.
AL all the way...I stick with 4evergood
What a shame. Another EMTB canyon commercial.
Damn you number one liker! 🤘
I like those cheaper bikes, some of these things are just unattainable
WAKE UP THIS IS A PROMOTIONAL VIDEO,THEY WANT TO SHELL YOU A BIKE ,EXPENSIVE BIKE AND SUPER EXPENSIVE BIKE ,MOTORBIKES ARE CHEAPER,THIS IS A ROBERY,CANYON PAY THIS PERSON FOR COMERCIAL VIDEOS PAYED FOR BRANDS ,ITS NOT HONEST
It actually depends on your car's bike rack ffs
All these specs videos are getting boring. Adventures!!!! Please.
wish the bike would not cost as much as a car
I think you fail to mention, if you need to finance a bike it's going to cost you an extra 10% (depending on loan deal).
Less is more !!!
Auto shift, Auto shift, Auto shift!!!!!!!
Not right making these videos since you are paid to promote the brands. Definitely wouldn't choose a canyon.
Didn’t get anything from the video as a new comer to biking…
Canyon bikes!!?????? RUBBISH!!!!!!!No thanks, there are better bike brands out there for the same money.
Canyons service is so bad that it precludes buying any of their bikes regardless of price. Not to mention that the once reasonably priced brand has lost its mind and is charging the same as premium brands.