Manson & the Secret War of the 60s, Tom O'Neill
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2021
- Investigative journalist Tom O'Neill started researching the Manson killings in 1999, twenty years later he finally published what became one of the most complete accounts of the secret war against the counterculture of the 1960s.
He discovered links to the CIA's top secret mind control project MK Ultra, the JFK assassination and much more.
In this conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller, they talk about the untold story of this seismic time in American history and ask if America needs to come to terms with its past if it is to move on.
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Americans are not paranoid. We know we’ve been lied to and want the truth brought to light. And not believing the lies does not make us conspiracy theorists. It means we can think for ourselves and we know when things we’re being told don’t add up.
Amazing fact: all this stuff is still going on today; and just like the 60's & '70's, most people have no idea.
Only those who've tuned in, in spite of overwhelming cradle to grave propagandization. Pass it on.
Very true 100% look into the rainbow family is the biggest hippie family there is today almost 2,000,000 members started in 1972 and they have gatherings once a mouth and a big international once a year anywhere from 5000 to 30,000 people show up at these gatherings and they’re all hippies In the feds try to stop it every year
What do you think CZcams is for? Film and TV and smart phones are the most successful hypnosis agents ever created in the history of the world (and probably therefore the universe)
Agreed
@@_scabs6669 there used to be great content on you CZcams like power principle and the company
So, the fact that COINTELPRO and CHAOS (started in 1967) are nearly synonymous with CONTROL and KAOS in the hit TV series _Get Smart_ (first produced in 1965) is just supposed to be a coincidence? Or was this a big joke that these agencies were having on the American public?
Guess you missed the bird flu dance back in 2004? Yes they do this sick stuff all the time but back then, I really think those that participated didn't believe they were doing anything but exercises to be prepared in case of the "reality or real world events". Notice from 60s till now, it's no longer light hearted. Spooky fish humor to be exact.
Best evidence: 9.11.01. Look up Vigilant Guardian. Btw war was the red herring. That day the biggest heist in American history happened and the only ones still talking about it are the ones (countries and governments) who can't get back their gold, silver, platinum and diamonds given to the US government to hold in interests. Or did you think Wall Street banks held these at Ft Knox? Don't forget the bonds!
Another TV series that was big hit which I believe preceded "Get Smart" (wish I knew how to do italics on CZcams!) was "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." -- and the bad guys were and organization named CHAOS.
@@WholeBibleBelieverWoman nope. The bad guys in the Man from UNCLE was called Thrush.
@@miguelEguzman Ah! Thanks for the correction. So I got Chaos from Kaos on Get Smart!
I've thought that millions of times I used to watch get smart on nick at night as a kid ,figured no one else would make that connection
A short note: Ken Kesey, Whitey Bulger and Charles Manson were all test subjects for the MK Ultra program. Bulger and Manson did it in prison. I have read as much. We read "One Flew Over The Cukoo's Nest" in high school. In high school, many moons ago, it was referred to the "LSD experiment" program.
It never stopped
I read O'Neil's book and it prompted me to study some footage from the trial which I had only seen glimpses of prior to reading the book. And what jumped out at me more than anything else was the "spectacle" of it. So much of the Manson group's antics seemed loosely scripted, coordinated, and intentionally provocative. Of course for it to truly function as spectacle there would have to be a level of coordination with the media and then framed by them for a more or less generalized target audience. Now unlike O'Neil, I come at this stuff from the angle that intelligence agencies are behind everything, or at least anything that is morally objectionable, harmful, subversive, etc. (Yes I'm a conspiracy theorist which I'm not boastful nor shameful about) So it wasn't difficult for me to see how the CIA could have concocted and facilitated this operation of using two of it's favorite compromised assets ie the media, and crazy sex cults, in order to create this presentation of spectacle for the television viewing 1960s American Public. So that got me thinking about motive. Why hijack the court proceeding like this? Which got me thinking about the nature of spectacle and how it acts as a form of propaganda, grabbing the audience's full attention, mobilizing their emotional reactions, and in the process, dissolving any potential critical/rational thinking about the situation in question and of course their role in it and other peripheral operations. In other words it serves as a nifty psychological trick to obscure their on-going, behind-the-scenes, unconstitutional skull duggery of the American People. Not to mention scare the f*ck out of them. It's just crazy.
> Yes I'm a conspiracy theorist which I'm not boastful nor shameful about
There is nothing shameful about considering conspiracy theories from a smart point of view, but saying that you think "that intelligence agencies are behind everything, or at least anything that is morally objectionable, harmful, subversive, etc." is not the way to go about these things, as you can very quickly devolve into la la land...
@@MrTeddybearGame yes I admit there was some subtle hyperbole there.
@@MrTeddybearGame but to blindly believe they are moral and won't do anything against the populous is worst than blind, it's detrimental. Do you really think the subjects of the syphilis experiment were told what they were getting into? Wasn't that a (though more than one) government agency? And the fbi/cia lsd programs started long before the 60s and was documented. A few families got paid off by your boyfriend Uncle Sam to shut up about several incidents - like the guy after a conference who nose dived out a hotel window or the guy who lost his mind at work, never to leave the institution (military not medical). Yes that's morality for you. And before you go there - all of this is to control you and keep you in Stockholm syndrome while they decide your fate! They have and are showing you that they will use anything at their disposal to accomplish what they set out to do. After all, people had to have something for them to declare you will have NOTHING and enjoy it. Who use to say that in history? Slave owners about slaves that's who.
Should I play Keep On Loving You for y'all first dance?
Did you notice one of the girls circling her left eye with her fingers? That really jumped out at me. *Now*.
I had a wicked cool High School teacher. This was around 1979. He once told the class The Beatles and some of the Hippie movement were under CIA/ Government control. Weird stuff. Not sure if he was a conspiracy nut or what, but a great teacher nonetheless.
Look into Laurel Canyon and Ken Keasy and the merry pranksters.
You're teacher was correct.
Conspiracy nut? The whole reason we think of logical conspiracy theorists as nuts is because of the CIA...
David icke and the like don't help but there is a lot of credible information out there, just have to wade through a few nuts to find it.
Hahaha the teachers that talk about conspiracy’s normally are. Had a cool South African who taught me English, he’d go off on so many tangents about the Iraq war, big pharma, the Kennedy assassination etc. He’s half the reason I’m as curious as I am today. If you’re out there Mr Palin and you taught in a comprehensive in East London about 16 years ago, you’re a legend
@@yuothineyesasian Yes, he was a very smart guy indeed. Rare for teachers. I suspect he was correct as well.
Your teacher was a very cool one, and 100% correct. The CIA plants and controls all big movements, eve4yhting that can actually play a manipulating role over the masses. Tom has briefly mentioned about the father of the CIA , the OSS, but he didn't say for example, that most of the OSS agents were then used and infiltrated In the upcoming big Hollywood and London cinema studios. .....
These projects or experiments that where done are still effective today, my personal intuition says that these random shooters in public places are part of this still being used today to push an elite agenda. Awareness is the medicine and love the healer. Thank you Tom for your research and sharing. Much respect and gratitude
Bingo... it’s amazing that people can listen to something like this and think it’s no longer happening. The public shooters, manufactured shortages, the plandemic and their latest pysop, WWIII.
Agree. Fear is control. Looking at all of the information on the mass shooters since 1999 you can see they're mostly lone nuts with no memory of the event which also appear to be confused, staring blankly while in court. Most if not all of them were normal months before the shootings and then suddenly they start showing bizarre behavior followed by a shooting.
Yea.. and how would they do this to people
skool kigds that mummy and daddy sent to head drs ,, if u look into it majority of theses people have been to some proffessional ..
You are spot on.
I read the book earlier this year, I would highly recommend it to anyone, it's very well written and fascinating. Really great stuff
I haven't read the book. But I've listened to Tom enough to know. There could be a very logical explanation how some people seem almost evil. Nancy pelosie. You have to sign it to find out what's in it. And people without question did. Brainwashed much?? LoL. I think if you extrapolate out from bobby Kennedy. The possibility's are endless
Have you ever read Dave McGowans work on laurel canyon....
@@gilligan80 I have not, I am always looking for new and interesting things to read, thanks!
@@gilligan80 Yes and I also researched every name he brought up, Like David said " Wikipedia " alone can confirm most of the research he/himself did, and he was right. That was a good book. Cheers. ( I shouldn't have said research but rather the connecting of the dots between parents and children David Crosby is the son of Floyd Crosby whom is a descendant of the Van Rensselaer family,)
@@albertawheat6832 that's something I don't wanna say awesome about... but hell yeah
great to see tom o’neill on the show! chaos is one of the best books i’ve read in a long time.
I'm not gonna take credit for this film, but I did rave about O'Neill's JREon a Rebel Wisdom vid and I now remember David asking me about the JRE episode in the comments. So I get an assist at least.
I'm not going to take credit for this film because I had nothing to do with the time, research, networking, filming, editing, or investigative journalism to produce this piece.
Thank you for introducing the idea. You may have nothing to do with production, but A spark idea is like the seed. Necessary for the start of something
Shame he didn't take more interest in other similarly damning subjects but chose to shut up shop and run from the truth.
This reminds very much of what Hunter S Thompson was talking about all the years that he was writing his Gonzo Journalism. Strange how Hunter started getting very active again later on in his life around 2004-2005 with his last two books Kingdom of Fear and Hey Rube in uncovering this similar murky side of the American secret history pertaining to 9/11, etc... Also bizarre that he died in peculiar circumstances in 2005 and his last book, which included all his letters from 1977 until his death, called The Mutineer: Rants and Ravings from the mountaintop was never really released to the general public even though it has been registered at the library of Congress. When you read his other letters like in Fear and Loathing in America, which was released and is generally available, it somehow indicated that there was more to the letters then just the one dimensional character that most people portrayed Hunter as. I have the impression that Hunter was one of the last loose ends of the 60's counterculture that was removed from our collective memory. How his last book was never really released and has been buried is bizarre and baffling certainly knowing how popular Hunter was up until his death. Now no one really talks about him anymore...
You are right he has pretty much been lost to history , he was working on something big about 9/11 when he was suicided
Thompson drank a lot,
for many yrs.
alcohol is especially toxic at those levels.
i'm an ex drunk, from interviews of people who knew him
he didn't want to die
a long drawn out stuck in a bed kind of death,
so kaboom,
but it was weird that he had family staying over at his house at the time,
i think i'd have gone for a little drive with my 357 so that my family wouldn't have to walk in on the brain splattered gore
If anyone could handle his shit, it was Thompson. Guy makes Terry McKenna look like a light weight. No one knows what truly happened with Hunter and I don't think it's appropriate to speculate.
He was a satanist and liked to kill people. (He said so on David Letterman) and there are people who have come forward and stated on film that Hunter wanted to hire them to do snuff films for $100,000
I always had the impression Thompson was somewhat scared of what was going on as he never fully wrote about it when the worst of it was going on. In his article "the killing of Ruben Salazar" he investigates an LAPD assassination of a journalist they tried to cover up and it freaked him out so much that he was covering it and it almost looked like they declared "open season on journalists" which resulted in him and his lawyer going to Las Vegas to get away from la while he worked on his story. He ends up making fear and loathing and then finishing the Salazar story.
This adds to the facts I have to take into account as I try to make sense out of our history. I had bought into the Manson narrative because of the book of the prosecutor back in the day. It never occurred to me that there would be more dots to connect. I agree with Tom that the Warren Commission was the end of innocence.....
I'm reading the book now. It is astonishing!
The government actually killed innocence in November of 1959, when they used Truman Capote to change the entire narrative of another high profile crime.
Wish somebody would do the research to reveal that TRUTH.
@@angelsgranny 🤔?
@robbpowell194 O'Neill connected no "dots" whatsoever. The words "Healter Skelter" (sic) written in blood on the Labiancas' refrigerator door, are Charles Manson's fingerprints at the scene of the crime.To think otherwise is to wallow in the sorry mire of O'Neill's crank revisionist narrative.
The end of innocence happened long before the WC...
Awesome. Been wanting to hear more from Tom O'Neil ever since that amazing Rogan podcast.
If it hadn't been for the virus in 2020 absolutely everyone would be talking about this book, imo. It was great. I can't wait to read part two.
Great book. Tom is planning a second book that answers some of the questions posed in the first.
Needless to say the popularity of the book has allowed him to uncover much more.
I look forward to it's 2050 release. I do love his book, though. Read it twice.
@@EmeraldWoodArchives
he's got a young, ambitious co-author to help get the new book out before we all die
tom o`neill is the real deal. an amazing tale of discovery for those interested in the secret history of the 60s - and what has followed on from there. o`neill`s modesty stands in direct contrast to the insights he has to offer: a gripping read, highly recommended.
A subject close to my heart. I've read Tom's book a couple of times, and watched every interview. Rogan interview was a turning point, no doubt. A lot can be said, but to me the ultimate truth for history can only come from the full release of all agency and similar files to the judgement of history. Certainly Tom has done his best to get them, but blocks and refusals by these agencies make this seemingly impossible. We have every reason to question why and have the greatest suspicions. I wish I could feel optimistic about full release of files and the full judgement of history, but I can't. I'm sorry, America is too corrupt, and its agencies too little scrutinised. Unless some whistle-blowers do the right thing, I fear the truth will remain elusive. Truthfully, it makes me angry.
Also, with respect to Tom, he keeps saying he doesn't like to draw conclusions or to speculate the whole story, and we should draw our own conclusions, but then he repeatedly says he hasn't included all he knows in the book. Those two things are incompatible. He was so scared of being called a 'conspiracy theorist' he muted the end of the book.
I also agree with you on an American truth and reconciliation type process. America has its Dorian Gray painting in the attic, rancid and toxic, reflecting its sins and criminality, and it needs to see the light of day.
@David HAILSTONE. Tom O'Neill has not contradicted himself. He has clearly stated in his videotaped interviews ( e.g., his interview by Joe Rogan on Rogan's podcast, "The Joe Rogan Experience") that he kept some information out of his book, "Chaos:The Truth Behind The Manson Murders" because he could not prove certain information. And it is well known that attorneys for book publishers tell authors that they can't include information or allegations in a book that the author can't back up with solid evidence because to do so would make the book publisher and author vulnerable to slander and defamation lawsuits.
@@michaelbarlow6610
also, his research for book Chaos took 20+ yrs & he needed to publish,
he's said in interviews that since him being interviewed for Chaos that people have sent him leads/documents
& he has a co-author
to take over putting that together & help him sort thru stuff that wasn't yet ready when Chaos came out.
@@mindsigh4 Correct. Yes O'Neill has stated that his co-author Dan Piepenbring has been invaluable to O'Neill in putting the book "Chaos" together.
It is irrelevant what investigations find. By and large, people cling to government like a child to a security blanket.
Why do you have to say crazy ass things like that he? Painting in the attic git outta he’af
I was a child during the time of all the assassinations, but have felt an ominous spectre of corruption and deceit almost my entire life. We were told in school that this is the home of the brave, land of the free, but when you see anyone who stands for the ordinary people being shot and killed, the heinous regime changes for geopolitical gain, and the lack of justice, one could only come out of all that distrustful and weary. Even as a child I sensed that something was wrong. How can it be right when Nazis were in charge of NASA, they want to weaponize space, corruption goes all the way to the white house, the "drug war" was unleashed on ordinary people when in reality it was the powerful and corrupt who stood to gain by destroying communities while people like the Clintons ran their planes right through Arkansas, ugh, and all the clusters and chipping away at the bill of rights has continued since then. These people don't want to have to atone for their behavior and misdeeds, and have the money to fend off the light of day shining on them for quite a while.
Nothing ever did happen to shine the light on any of it. It is still being avoided today. We will never progress as a country if the truth remains hidden, and no justice is served
As if, to make a Dnd analogy, the country is an out for themselves neutral evil rogue with no scruples in disguise as a holy lawful good Paladin sworn to poverty and service of others above themselves.
Hurt bad when I realized that the usa isn't what 5th grade us history told me it was.
I’ve always felt like tha!seventy one and I’ve never trusted our government after president Kennedy was murdered!
yeah, every time I get into the Kennedy assassination...that day....that place....I get a HUGE feeling that there was confluence of Real evil there that day
God bless you, ma'am. You're absolutely spot-on.
We, as Americans, don't understand just how badly we have been misled, and lied to, about the events of the past century ... especially in the lead-up to and the ending of World War 2.
Something began happening, in 1943, of which the reverberations are still being felt, in the US, and across the world ... the Nazis began their process of scattering, reorganizing, and retrenching in and around their sympathizers in the United States. At the end of World War 2 the forces of reaction were being soundly defeated all around the planet: in Russia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, France, Vietnam, Korea, China, and elsewhere. The untold part of the story, is how the leaders of the US, once Franklin Roosevelt had conveniently died - in April of 1945 - had moved to rescue these forces all around the world. They brought thousands of Nazi war criminals, from a number of different countries, to the US, and put them to work, in the defense industry, in intelligence, in the scientific field, and within our military. And once these killers and thugs had been brought here, their politics took front and center, and really steered the political course of our country. We can see it in how quickly they turned on the Soviet Union, right after war's end (but, actually, before that), and how fast they moved to frame Nye Committee Lead Council: Alger Hiss, as well as the Rosenburgs, and the McCarthy Era got underway. Nothing has ever been the same.
What you and many experienced was trauma based mind control... social engineering,
Best long form journalism book I've read since Hunter S. Thompson's 'Hells Angels'.
@Daryl Mixan I mean it’s a different style… I like them both.
Sidney Gotlieb also plays a key role in the excellent Netflix docudrama miniseries 'Wormwood'. Well worth a watch.
Thank you! Will watch.
America's Untold Stories has a great series on him too
It all seems that sadly America has gone into a steady downward spiral for the past sixty years .What can we expect now?
This was great, thank you! Please have him on again! ❤
David, I don't come around as much as I should, but you always do such good work. Thank you
Never read a book that was so informative yet so factually ambivalent in my life. Good read, still no real conclusive answers if you think you're gonna get that. Gotta admire the man's resolve however.
He's planning a second book that answers some of those questions.
@YouthInEyesAsian I look forward to reading it. First was a real eye opener, especially with the stuff about the CIA running walk in LSD clinics in San Francisco
@@paulies5407 After that go for Dark Alliance by Gary Webb. The CIA is the most nefarious organization ever. (Probably the NSA is now)
That was what I liked about the book. No jumping to conclusions, just an honest assessment.
Try real life. Way different from books about CIA psyops, portrayed as real events.
Really enjoyed that...grateful thanks to you both!
Tom says Manson was a gift to the establishment and that Helter skelter destroyed the hippie counter culture.
Manson wasn't a gift. He was an actor playing a role in the LARP psyop that went a long ways to ending the bohemian rhapsody.
Tom ties it all in, through Jack Ruby to one of the greatest psyops ever. The JFK pantomime sacrifice ritual held on the sacred freemasonic ground of Dealey plaza.
The CIA are experts at running these psyops and no doubt have a big role in the one that's playing out whirled wide right now.
Manson was no actor ; he was the manipulated scapegoat.
Compare Mansons face & voice to another actor:
Baby Bush (W).
If Manson was in maximum security they wouldn’t let him have a full beard at that time in California prison system nor let Manson have interviews with famous reporters without handcuffs or restraint- dancing around them within a couple feet if he was so dangerous!
He is an Actor!!!
This has been my obsession since Tom was on Joe Rogan. The puzzle pieces that Tom figured out on his own is staggering and should make everyone second guess what the FBI, CIA, ATF, and US government is willing to do to keep the population under control. His book might be the best book I’ve ever read.
You should give lanette frommes book reflexion a try ! Outstanding read !
I agree, just don't know why he didn't interview Manson or anyone in the family
I'm betting Roger Waters and the living boys from Pink Floyd could do a wild album with this.
Tom on Rogan was a great moment in journalism. (And talk shows.) Dots connected, lids lifted, suspicions validated, darkness illuminated. And the story behind the story: 20 years in the making of the book. Wow.
He seems like such a nice guy, too. An old school chase-down-the-truth kind of reporter. I hope he inspires some young people to pick up a pen or typewriter. (OK...they can sell the typewriter on American Pickers. Buy a shitty laptop.)
Growing up in the 70s, watching reruns of Get Smart when I should have been doing my homework, I always thought it was a spoof on the Cold War. little did I realise that Control represented the FBI and Kaos the CIA. In one episode Kaos actually put drugs into the Max and 89's water supply. Now I learn that there actually was an Operation CHAOS. Did Mel Brooks have an inside source?
@Commander Cecil McBragg So I thought as a kid but substitute the CIA for KAOS and it takes on many more layers.
Hollywood is just the agency's indoctrination center.
I haven't approved of Rogan's recent Vax content, but the Tom O'Neil interview demonstrated how much the Rogan show can contribute. The long format, Joe's fascination with the subject, plus a careful and rigorous guest really brought the content to life for me.
If u don't have questions about the Vax then u haven't been listening...
We’re glad of you disapproval. THANK you.
Yeah, I mean I don’t agree with Joe or some of his guests on many things im sure, but his show is so excellent for having guests like Tom and even Ed Snowden, people who have so many important things to say.. Joe gives them a platform and a 2+ hour one at that, which is really valuable in our shallow soundbite-friendly media culture where these kinds of topics are rarely given more than a passing glance, if that.
For that I’m grateful for Rogan’s show, and honestly Rogan seems like a good guy himself. He admits he’s not some kind of genius who knows everything, he’s just as curious as the rest of us in shining light on some of the darker corners of US history and military/intelligence crime & corruption. It seems foolish to me that so many so-called leftists write Joe and his show off completely when there’s so much good content he’s putting out.
I understand people not liking some of the COVID-related ideas he’s put out there, or having Alex Jones on, but acting like Rogan or somebody like Jordan Peterson are actually diabolical fascists/racists is just totally off the mark and indicative of the kind of hyperbolic tribalism that makes up far too much of US politics today, on both the “left” and right.
Most self-professed leftists given a platform today are really just neoliberal capitalists - just as noxious as the neoconservatives who ruled this country 20 years ago. They use race as a distraction from the real economic and class-based issues that we need to be talking about if we’re going to make any progress. Ending the drug war would be a good start if we’re actually concerned about what’s putting so many (typically) lower-class and often black or brown folks in prison and perpetuating generational cycles of poverty and crime, whether in the ghetto or in rural/white communities ravaged by outsourcing of jobs and the opioid epidemic. Sometimes I wonder if the current fentanyl epidemic, far more dangerous than even heroin or pharmaceutical opiates like Oxy, is just a kind of more comprehensive and more suburban/rural version of the urban crack epidemic of the 80s which we now know was an intentional operation by the CIA.
@@CircuitRider
Bravo! Well said.
Don't me mad just because Joe gives both sides a platform
Sharon Tate's father is a colonel US army intelligence. 🐠
Wow that sure connects more stuff together
I would say it's the opposite - there was no proof for his involvement in the murder plot at all. The trial was sub standard to say the least.
@fischx actually he was on the Labeanca property according to that Tex guy's testimony. You'll have to read the transcripts of that trial to get what was actually said as opposed to public accounts through third and fourth party reporting.
Thanks David, what an eye opener! I purchased Tom's book on audible, looking forward to the listen. These revelations, though not 100% provable by the sounds of it, raise further questions on sense making for me. I'm generally a cynical soul, in that established power has, can and will abuse its position. I wonder what else will bubble up from the depths?!
Wow. I have serious concerns that the release in October will only feed the current climate .. There are a whole lot of hateful angry people who publicly wish death on those who do not fit their belief system. That said. I hope it is healing. Thank you for this wonderful interview. I'm off to give JR a listen. I am grateful for the integrity and bravery of Mr. Tom O'Neill as well as his gestures of true humility. Thank you
Great interview! I am surprised more research has not been done on the Jonestown Massacre/Jim Jones. There is so much to learn from that event.
Watch evidence of revision i think its part 4 or 5 its about jonestown being a cia operation very good watch
MKultra most definitly included Jonestown.
I'm reading it and it's a great read as well as illuminating. Great interview!
That book is amazing. I just picked it up and finished it. I knew about the "official" story but it didn't add up and this book put it together lovely
Please update and maintain podcast channels. Thank you -- a fan!
Why would Jack Ruby kill Oswald right in front of everyone with no escape plan, it wasn't a crime of passion, Ruby didn't know Kennedy or Oswald personally
@Jason Ward. Jack Ruby did know Oswald personally. One of Jack Ruby's strippers at the Carousel Club in Dallas stated that Ruby introduced Oswald to her as Ruby's friend. Ruby and Oswald (or the Oswald double) were seen by a woman motorist shortly before Kennedy's motorcade arrived in Dealy Plaza. Ruby had stopped his car or van in front of the grassy knoll and Oswald or the Oswald double got out of the right side passenger seat and ran up the grassy knoll to deliver a rifle to someone behind the wooden fence. The woman motorist stated that as she pulled her car around the car parked at the curb below the grassy knoll, she got a good look at the face of the driver of the vehicle and later when Ruby shot Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Department, she instantly recognized that the man who shot Oswald was the same man she saw driving the vehicle who had parked below the grassy knoll shortly before JFK's motorcade arrived in Dealy Plaza.
Jason Ward it's possible that Jack Ruby wanted to kill Oswald as he at the time was what everyone at the time was the Kennedy assassin and wanted justice.
@@johndean4765 thats the bullshit narrative lots believe
Why did the Dallas police walk Oswald out in front of the public so he could be shot. How did ruby get in there with a gun.
Thank you for this. I always thought there was something very wrong with both stories. I feel so groomed.
Aside from some specific reasons Tate may have been killed, I would argue those murders were closer to a scenario where operation phoenix was being brought home rather than any psyop against the left. The counterculture movement appears to have been orchestrated out of Lauryl Canyon as a controlled opposition to the genuine antiwar movement on East coast campuses. See Dave McGowans work on lookout mountain studios. The late 60s ushered in multiple decades of serial killers. Way more than meets the eye seems to have been at play such as a general domestic terror op as well as connections to an underground trafficking network. See Candyman and the Clown. John Lennons door man was part of operation 40. Intelligence was and is into everything.
Just horrific - that means they do this on purpose . Serial killers and assassinations planned ? Wow
Just horrific - that means they do this on purpose . Serial killers and assassinations planned ? Wow
Great Book Tom! In Shane O’Sullivans book Who Killed Bobby, Jolly West is brought up with possibly being the radio man that Sirhan was meeting with. West was involved with Patty Hearst & the SLO. He saw Jack Ruby. Dig deep in books like Who Killed the King , James earl ray saw a hypnotist, the attempted assassin of Wallace saw a hypnotist. West was at the top of his game but their was more like West out their. Read the book who killed John Lennon. Russ Bakers masterpiece Family of Secrets about the bushes is a must Read. Another strange thing is that when the Manson Murders occurred Polanski was in England looking for a location to film a movie called the Day of the Dolphin. A movie about a dolphin trained to assassinate the president. In the nonfiction book The Search For The Manchurian Candidate it clearly states that their was a CIA doctor at that same time obsessed with training dolphins with hypodermic needles attached to them to kill enemy frogmen. ( I know off subject but strange) Has anyone ever wondered why the Author of the book Manson Files which is extremely expensive can’t find it cheaper then 200$ who opposes the CIA theory and Ed Saunders book called the Family because of the connection to the satanic church called the process avoids questions about Reece Whitson at all costs. Everyone needs to dig deep. Things like Manson mastered the highest level of Scientology in which it has been proven that Hubbard was in fact extremely close to Aleister Crowley who was working closely with the CIA for years. Even the fact that a big time la costa nostra (Mafia) member Carbo was very close with Manson is huge because the CIA has been working hand & hand with the Mafia since project underground and with Vito Genoese in Italy When Patton liberated it. The Mafia & the CIA again ran the drug trade together! Read Strength of the Wolf by Valentine. Labianca was a massive gambler in huge debts to the mafi. This rabbit hole is massive and these things just are not coincidental. Must reads are Acid Dreams, Operation Mind Control, Journey Into The Madness, The Search For The Manchurian Candidate, Cointelpro, The Secret Team, The Cult of Intelligence, The Devil’s Chessboard & Who Killed Bobby. I’m currently researching Jonestown & my podcast/Vlog is about to restart soon. Manson, Kennedy, Ruby, MLK, RFK, Malcom X, Lennon , Hoffa, assassination attempts on Wallace , the Pope ,Reagan by Hinckley ( friends with bush VP and former director of CIA after MK-Ultra was exposed) the connections are insane. Do the research the answers are there. Thank you Tom for your dedication, we look forward to the next book. In the CIA the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. They portray this image that they are constantly screwing up. That’s all part of espionage. You only know what they want you to know. Everyone should listen to MAE BRUSSELS old radio shows. She was ahead of her time and this was her masterpiece. She covered all this. One of Oswalds CIA Handlers George De Morechildt was going to testify for the select house committee of assassination also had the same mental breakdowns extremely simuliar to rubys before committing suicide by shooting himself in the head with a shotgun before he could testify. Also Mobsters Rosseli and Gianicana both high level ranking members of the La Cosa Nostra who were hired by the CIA through CIA cutouts Jimmy Hoffa and Howard Hughes right hand man Robert Maheu were going to testify on that same committee were murdered conviently before they were going to testify. Giancana was the Godfather of the Chicago Outfit and Rosseli was almost untouchable running operations in Las Vegas and L.A. It is assumed that the mob killed them because they were going to break omerta which is the mafia oath of silence you take when you become a made man. With all my teams research we are positive that although the mafia most likely were involved in some compacity , the CIA called these hits because they had much more to lose then the mafia if the public became aware of The US government working so closely with the mafia. What a can of worms that would open. Also shortly after that Jimmy Hoffa disappeared. I wonder if Carbo ( friends with Manson and most likely the man who killed Bugsy Siegel) Knew and worked with Johnny Rosseli?
Interesting write up. DeMorensheldt was suicided.
@@bpalpha convenient? Right before he was to testify for congressional committee of assassinations.
Love the booklist- what is the name of your podcast?
I saw the pictures of the crime scene of the Manson murders, and the images were very mundane, not like horrible murders are portrayed in the movies at all. That mundane quality gave the scene a morbid and eerie feeling, especially when I thought about what I was actually looking at. It's nothing like what you see in the movies, the real thing is soooo much worse.
The Tex Watson tapes are supposed to tell the true story of what really happened, but the Judge wouldn't let anyone hear them and gave them to the LAPD who has them now.
The Manson story, when researched soberly, explains in clear detail everything that happened & why. This was a MDA Drug burn that went tits up. Tex Watson, a drug dealer, was the one responsible for the majority of the murders at Cielo Drive & over at the LaBiancas. As far as CIA involvement and Brainwashing? No, Nope, didn’t happen.
Also the Jolly West “evidence” wasn’t “evidence”, it was a bunch of assumptions based uoon someones vivid imagination. Louis J West was doing research for UCLA and none of it had anything to do with Charles Manson or any of the girls at HAFMC Haight Ashbury.
The murders happened days before Woodstock, but by the time Altamont took place it had been long enough for the general public to be very aware of the Manson family and their crimes.
It was awfully close. They we’re officially indicted on 12/9. Altamont was 12/6. So things were certainly getting there.
The TV show in the 60's Get Smart, was from an organisation called Chaos.
The Book is excellent, a few hundred pages more would have been great! I began wondering if along Mansons early jail cycle he got "advice" to do crimes to stay in the Federal system. The leniency angle is incredible and nearly inexplicable. I also think the old mob guy who taught him guitar was a big influence.
I would be interested if Dianne Lake or any of the other women has ever stated that they saw Terry Melcher with the Manson family after the murders had occurred.
the book is a blast, one hell of a thrillride to read, pushing you into the rabbit hole deep end.
Wow interesting watch, MkUltra....so creepy, as if the medias claws were not enough deep within human psychology
I read the book, which was fascinating, but the whole time was pulling my hair out as Manson, nor anyone in family, was ever interviewed. So needless to say, as interesting a read as it was, why the hell didn't he interview the family?
New sub been in2 all the Manson stuff for years . Good content. Greetings south england
It’s all rotten at the core
The conciliation patterns makes perfect sense because that cause and effect reaction pattern is already in place. Applying it here, fits too. It's an amazing era. My teenage years were the 60s and I was a "flower child". This history changes the narrative.
What exactly changes the narrative? The degree of government suppression and inflitration being more than what you'd assumed? I'm curious.
They had no clue they were doing the dirty work for a corrupt and destitute left wing government. They thought they were legitimate grassroots movements. Turns out they were just cia/fbi shit puppets. Their lifetime of cognizant dissonance isnt going to go away by simply learning that. They still have their whole the parties switched sides so we arent the party of racists psychopaths that steal billions on tax dollars for themselves while instituting a police state. No theyre still good moral people wanting to spread their love at the barrel of a c130 gunship.
This was fascinating thank you
Why would Manson spend his entire life in prison without ever talking about the people who were manipulating him?
Because it all just another unproven conspiracy theory Charles Manson never STFU he would have told the world about it lol
Because they could kill him.
West's meeting with Ruby sounds like Scarecrow meeting with Falcone in Batman Begins, where he drugs him and then declares him insane!
Man, Rebel don't do a lot of videos anymore but each one is always wild content and relevant to what these governments are trying to do.
pollution. Correction
It's what they do not what they are planning. Cycles of history repeating since humans met humans in proclivity of gain.
Past? PAST!? They’re still doing it! Which is why there’s no truth and reconciliation. The objective has been achieved: consent is being manufactured for the current distraction.
Startlingly similar overlaps in the sons of sam doc that recently went up on netflix- if u havent watched it is concerning
Rebel Wisdom (while not 'asleep-at-the-wheel', as we say, but apparently himself distracted) should've said "Ruby" to correct Tom who, at 27:20, said "several psychiatrists who examined West". Tom meant to say "several psychiatrists who examined RUBY."
Hup! Can I get a little help frOM my friends?!
I really enjoyed this. A breath of fresh air for RW. Much more interesting direction of inquiry than endless sense-making talks. Uncovering quality investigative material with a ‘good faith’ investigator is so valuable. Just be cautious of ‘bad faith’ conspiracy writers who are fabricating nonsense for a quick buck.
Can't wait for Parr two!
the thing that sincerely has me worried..... is that this stuff is obviously continuing to go on... and either the powers that be are "losing" control a bit OR they have something else up their sleeve that will continue to slam down hard. I think one of the biggest issues I have seen is the Michael Shermer "skeptic" and "Woke" movement. I am coming from a left leaning "ideology" I am Liberal for all intents and purposes and I have had STRONG push back and resistance to sharing this kind of information to many of my peers. THe war against "conspiracy theorists" and now with the addition of the Q Anon psy op.. it is like a web and I feel like the "sides" (Left and Right) have become more extreme and entrenched in their positions. The Left strongly resisting ANY discussion of "conspiracy theories" and then the Far Right so entrenched INTO Q-Anon/Right wing Trumpster Christian Nationalism movements.... each playing off of each other. The Right reacting to the Left and the Left reacting to the right.. this Dialectic has kept such a cachophony of division that the rest of "us" in the middle.. that are attempting to learn and listen and understand and heal and figure out what is going on.. struggle to gain footing and I think that is really where the Powers that Be like it to be... I am hoping we can shave off more from each "side" and get a groundswell again to combat this stuff that continues.... I just wonder what the next thing is up their sleeve.... The Pandemic was a doozy....
the Pandemic AND the Trump presidency....
You in singular form questioning authority is a start in Americans duty ,not just a priveledge.
I do suggest learning how to discern scientific challenge by trial as the only truth of all matters. Opinions then are on a strong platform of truths supporting your opinions and reactions upon substantiated truth not fiction and propaganda. Only truth let's you see truth.
Are ya leaving out the Biden presidency for any specific reason???
Yes! Same.
Applying Federal Rule 406; Routine Practices and habit, is a good legal tool to use in such arguments. This rule essentially codifies and strengthens Modus operandi as legal doctrine.
I read the book. It offers a lot of great research, though it apparently purposefully ignores the occult connections (and it was quite odd how O'Neill warmed up to Marilyn Manson). I recommend the book, but not as an "only" source of what really happened in the Manson "project." I expect the book "Ultimate Evil" (which I have purchased but not read yet) will fill in some of the blanks, from what I have heard and read from other sources, particularly in regard to Scientology, the Process "church" and satanism.
Does anyone have a link to the committee that Mr ‘O Neill mentions? Had a quick look and can’t find anything which is rather unnerving.
Also add in whitey Bulger and ted kaczynski
Kaczynski was right about everything... the AI, technology enslaving us, left-wing extremism, and the destruction of the planet by the corporate scum. He was right...
I listened to this while half asleep, but I thought the author “beat around the bush” a lot!
In New Zealand I met a Polish lady whose mother was Sole Surviver as a child of a family of eight, after Siberia. Katyn Forest has a Memorial Plaque in St Mary of The Angels Catholic Church in Wellington.
Growing up in the 60's, 70's as a kid and teenager in Southern California a few miles from Richard Nixon's hometown some rather dark first hand accounts of reality some elders passed down to me. Not much one can do but should be sowing millions of seeds of life trees and plants and fruits and vegetables and let them grow as wild as can be helping along when needed. One of the two grapevines I planted in the high desert has survived and would be a bit at least drought resistant. Had avocado apple tomato etcetera but not able do by myself and for almost 20 years haven't been able to get any help. Too busy shopping till you drop going to hell in a handbasket made by slaves in China and boys twiddling their thumbs playing video games. Shame not that hard to throw out and rake somes seeds in the fall and winters rains and spring sunshine sprout and do it's part. Ornamental grass lawns would be outlawed if America weren't so ignorant. Non native invasive succulents instead of native cactus in the Joshua Tree forest the latest craze been going on thirty or more years now. Delusionally believing sticking a non native succulent in a pot or ground "gardening". Sad how super duper cool all think they are following the latest fads and trends. Hate to say it but this country has been made severely retarded, physically and mentally. One mass psychotic delusion being cool and in with the cool crowd.
Amazing journalism, inspirational. The difficult part comes in when our idols, the musicians of that time start to be linked to the agencies operations. Laurel canyon artists like the Doors (Admiral George Stephen Morrison, Jim's dad literally started the vietnam war in 1964 with the gulf of tonkin incident), frank Zappa (dad was a chemical engineer working on the chemicals for the war), Byrds, Beach boys, etc etc etc were all military brats, controlled opposition to the anti war movement. Heartbreaking stuff.
Perhaps that's why Jim Morrison when interviewed said his parents were dead and he wanted nothing to do w them.
The further you go, you start to realize everyone who has been successful in any way is part of it. Sports, music, Hollywood, politics, all controlled.
Gross misrepresentations. I'm sure Jim was not on the same page as his father. In fact, I'm sure Jim despised his father's career choice. There's no way Zappa supported war or violence.
Yes! "Laurel Canyon" was a huge part of subverting the counter culture away from uniting against the status quo. Creating instead, a culture of youth that became junkies and self absorbed dead beats. Much of it done through CIA funded LSD distribution with the likes of Wavy Gravy and Timothy Leary, who believed he was Aliester Crowley reincarnated. In Fact Satanism became strongly associated
Well, halfway through this video I ordered the book on Amazon.
When someone is selling a book you know someone is selling you a book
Out of any author I’ve seen I’ve never seen one discuss openly so much of the content of his book he’s practically giving the whole damn thing away free every interview
I checked it out from the library. It was great
The funny thing is Manson was like 5'2 and about 120lbs soaking wet and he became a boogie man. Lol wow.
The woman who was dumped on the side of the road in the beginning of JFK….was she maybe involved in the operation midnight climax?
As a failed activist I was crushed by the Manson narrative. It discredited the whole Hippie culture.
Me too . We didn't fail. We set a precedent ,ways and means for perhaps a future awakening might model in success. It was pure until commercialized and vandalized by the middle seventies.
I was drugged with a psychiatric rope a 1000 times stronger than a list of one of the only people whoever survived it , Also massive Doses of LSD and pcp , I know 1st hand What it is like to be on these States of chaos , Charles Manson may not have done anything at all , It's like blaming the bull in the China shop during a tornado , There's a very good chance he didn't send anybody anywhere but are you in if you did who knows what they were talking about or thinking . Yet Neil Young said that Charles Manson was a musical genius and he was trying to get him Signed , The entertainment industry families are connected to naval families and the central intelligence agency somebody might have just had it out for him , So they used him as a human Guinea pig like they did with me , The war was never on drugs Drugs were the chemical weapons that were used against a sediment of the populace that were deemed as a threat to their class division and hierarchy . All the civil rights activation of the 1960s really scare them , And just like child molesters , The fear of the consequences of their own actions oftentimes cause them to kill the child. The drug trade couldn't exist without the Money laundry And that can exist without the federal government being complicit , How many kids do I watch die , And how many times did they go for me
I sleep peacefully knowing that these kind of things are not happening anymore.
Do I sence sarcasm???? Ha ha ha...
In other words, you haven't slept a wink since listening to this.
Yes, We had to deal with the chaos designed in the Diablo Valley, Ca
Does anyone know what came of the LA Times article, he addressed near the end of the interview.
Very interesting I've always been interested in the mansion case I'm now going get the book .
I am surprised and intrigued that Rebel Wisdom is dipping its toe into this pool.
I know RB's main thread is sensemaking, i.e. making sense of things. I applaud David for being a truth seeker. My question to him, as a journalist:
Why this interview/information, and why NOW? (Is C-19 not relevant anymore?).
Another question to Dacid/Rebel Wisdom: How do you find the balance in trying to stay as objective as possible? If I watch VICE documentaries I cannot help but wonder if there are subjective/ hidden agendas behind the reporting.
I think we need more wisdom and less knowledge.
We are all trying to find out what is really going on, in our governments, in the world, what is true and what is real in our own lives.
Hmmn. For me it feels relevant to cv19.
@@grainofsand4176 very relevant considering it shows a pattern of behaviors leaning towards a tendency to, for now let's say, maintain a certain status quo. And no it's not as simple as race - red herring to distract the populous. No, this is a very old game. We use to call it king of the hill. The rich play who will be the next Alexander the Great. One game is played by pushing to get to the top. The other uses military and currently use laws they push with $$$ and wars they can buy. It's in all old 60s text books which were handed down to blacks as other districts got the new history and new math. The proof being in many closets of old houses. Trust me, wish I knew then what I know now.
If the powers that be had really wanted to discredit the hippies, all they needed to do was play the American public the first Stooges LP on heavy radio rotation. Imagine if The Family had got hold of that LP rather than the White Album! 1969 OK, war across the USA
respect toms circumspect view of what can and cannot be proven-but what is solid is that Manson was definitely part of a larger plan.
So jolly west was not only responsible for Ted Kaczynski but was also involved with Manson, ruby and MKUltra? Were there other counter culture movements and icons who were also affected by him?
This stuff is so wild, and i love it.
Dave McGowan - "Weird scenes inside the canyon" will blow everybody`s mind. - i do not believe manson was anything but a scapegoat, and clearly polanski is a creepy guy.
I’d like to know what happened to me as a young single mother in Oceanside in the late 60s early 70s. A lot I remember, much I do not.
Such a good book. Terrifying but at the same time encouraging. Understanding that we the people are enemy combatants in a great, silent war.
An interesting illustration of mind control being used to commit murder (among other things) can be seen by viewing Derren Brown's videos ("Trick of the Mind", etc.).
I love listening to Tom O’Neill
I am half way through CHAOS and it's gripping
Grip the garbage. Oh btw Tom expressly admits here that he never proved CIA involvement in over 20 years of research!! That should be a big hint that pipenburg & his other publisher were pushing a narrative in this book. The first half is decent deconstruction of Bugliosi retard Helter Skelter BS. Tbe last half is assumptive CIA garbage.
It is straight up SAD AS ALL FCKU that that man genuinely felt that he had to clarify and borderline apologize for his _proper_ use of the word "they" in this conversation. The fact that it's even something that has to be on people's minds is nothing short of another chip degrading (frankly, dumbing-down) the wall that is the English language. Just another disappointment in mankind.
On another note, good lord Joe Rogan's influence is just enormous.
Also, what a hilarious take on him. "...every section of the book has a different reason to interest him; drugs; cults.. you know, he's very broad-minded in what interests him..."
Lmfao that cracked me up.
Anyway, great interview man. I'm glad he was kind enough to give it to you. As you said, it _is_ really important and significant work. The almost aloof way he affirmed your touching on backing up his findings / "..writing it all down somewhere.." leads me to believe that he not only has everything he's collected secreted away, (likely in multiple places and formats) but I'd personally be willing to bet that he holds information akin to damning to certain person(s), making his Dead-Man Switch very reliable. I mean, you gotta really consider the gravity of the concept of devoting the majority of 20 years' worth of time researching government storage areas and archives classified secret, top-secret and above top-secret, interviewing key players in the events who were directly and indirectly involved the likes of civilians, contractors, ex-police/military, ranked officials and so-on. Truly, if not having been A: corrupted, B: bought out, C: an agent from the start or D: coerced at some point by what powers may be into being allowed to continue on with his project so long as certain "criteria" were met, then how else could a man doing something so potentially damaging to Uncle Sam and/or so potentially catalytic to the population once injected into the zeitgeist _possibly_ even _sleep_ at night after learning all they're able and willing to do and get away with?
Godspeed to he and that group of people he mentioned.
He makes a great deal of sense to me. Amazing 👍
Just wondering, if all this is true, why is Tom still around? Don’t attack me on this. I believe what he says and I definitely don’t want anything happening, but man. It’s a lot of deep stuff
Maybe they were ready for this to come out.
Something that no one considers, and should consider is that the people following Manson, and his orders were very very young. The all of them but if you look at the picture where he is being arrested at Barker Ranch in the kid sitting there, they’re barely teenagers very easy to manipulate when you promise them everything and build up their egos
Love from the United States!
Love some tom O’Neil!
I'm reading Chaos at the moment, and I can't help but think that if the CIA and FBI etc could do all this then - what the hell are they capable of now?