How to cut a lap joint with saw and chisel - An exercise in paring

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  • @Bbendfender
    @Bbendfender Před 11 lety +2

    It's nice to watch someone who is patient while doing woodwork.

  • @danschechter9069
    @danschechter9069 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for posting this! The tip about "working uphill" with the chisel is very valuable.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 4 lety +1

      I'm glad it's helped Dan.I am currently editing a video on chisel techniques, hope to publish it next week.

  • @MrCJTribe
    @MrCJTribe  Před 11 lety +3

    Thanks for that nice comment Paul. Actually I didn't like woodwork at school, I only came to it in my 20's.
    But it's interesting that much of what I teach in my beginners classes is what I learnt in woodwork classes in 1964 eg planing face side/face edge, marking with a knife etc. It stood me in good stead!
    Chris

  • @hudsonriverlee
    @hudsonriverlee Před 8 lety +9

    At video elapse time 17:46/47, I heard " it is a joy to use Sharp tools", yes this is very true, somehow, hearing a sharp chisel is incredibly a sound that I personally enjoy. Great video, awesome tips for the inexperienced wood worker such as myself. Nothing wrong with increasing my knowledge base by viewing videos from Well Experienced wood workers. Thanks.

  • @phillipgriffiths9624
    @phillipgriffiths9624 Před 3 lety

    Excellent! Hugely educational. What idiots would have given this a thumbs down?

  • @garryclayton1798
    @garryclayton1798 Před 10 lety +1

    I've just started my CSkills level 1 Diploma in Carpentry and Joinery this evening at college. This is the first thing we did. Great to see it done just the way we are being taught. Great video Christopher, I shall watch all your videos. Thank you for sharing.

  • @CathalLindsay
    @CathalLindsay Před 9 lety

    Thanks for this Christopher. I'm an artist with a C grade GCSE from 1996. And I've only just begun building my own canvases. I had to cast my mind right back to 1994 to remember how to do what you have just aced. My rudimentary woodworking skills would shock you. I've managed to maul the wood into the required stretcher shape, and thought I'd better look up how to do this properly. Thanks the tutorial will be invaluable for me! :)

  • @jacksmart2565
    @jacksmart2565 Před 11 lety

    Great video, i'm 16 and just getting in to wood working and i found the video very useful

  • @PaulWW36
    @PaulWW36 Před 11 lety +2

    How I wish you'd been been my woodwork teacher at school !
    That'd mean I wouldnt have had to spend the last thirty years teaching myself.

  • @ignatiusreilly8280
    @ignatiusreilly8280 Před 4 měsíci

    I was having trouble with my wobbly saw, maybe it's the saw I'm using. Thanks for showing how to do this, let me try a different saw.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 4 měsíci

      What do you mean by a "wobbly saw" Ignatious? Is it a problem with getting it to saw straight vertically? Sometimes this can be because the teeth are sharper on one side, usually due to hitting a nail perhaps.

  • @nasarazam
    @nasarazam Před 2 lety

    This is amazing using hand tools. Way too difficult for my skill level. I will use the Sliding Miter Saw and chisel. Thanks

  • @remynisce33
    @remynisce33 Před 5 lety +1

    Love the sound of that chisel chipping away the wood.

  • @blackfender100
    @blackfender100 Před 8 lety

    Thanks Christopher. Hand tool work is still tops in my book I watch Ben from the UK crimson guitars they still do a great deal of hand work. Cheers from south Florida USA

  • @danielesimmons2651
    @danielesimmons2651 Před 7 lety +1

    Very precise and articulate, Thank you kind Sir for your tutoring.
    From Dan in Fredericksburg, VA. ( George Washington's boyhood home.)

  • @RandyMoe
    @RandyMoe Před 10 lety

    Heck, I might try that, looks better to me that getting all those power tools I will never use. I am never a woodworker, but I need a couple old camera bellows frames. And I really like the silent no dust approach. Thanks!

  • @passtheparcel2007
    @passtheparcel2007 Před 8 lety

    Excellent video, on how to do it rite!
    That chisel sure is sharp....

  • @MrCJTribe
    @MrCJTribe  Před 10 lety +15

    Hi. Interesting point about Brits. being best with hand tools. Unlike the continent there is no "required" training to set up as a furniture maker. There are a few makers offering apprenticeships, but most people either do a 3 yr degree at university or a one year professional training at a furniture school run by a maker. These schools are becoming more common. However there is no accreditation so the path into the craft is a little haphazard, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Apprenticeships in all manufacturing areas were more or less killed during the Thatcher years, I think we as a country are regretting this.
    I think one of the reasons we like and are good at hand skills In Britain is because there is still a lot of sentiment for the Arts and Crafts movement here and the commitment to hand work and integrity of making.
    It would be interesting to see whether others think us Brits. are particularly good with hand tools.

    • @edwardcharles9764
      @edwardcharles9764 Před 9 lety

      I think another point to this is the fact we Brits don't have the somewhat huge workshops of the Americans and consequently don't have the space for all the different machines required to replace the hand tools. Add to that there are things we can't get access to, such as wobble saws etc because of health and safety restrictions. For me it's all the mess created, (example a groove made with a router as opposed to a plough plane) and the noise to counteract the mess and dust!

    • @richnfamous59
      @richnfamous59 Před 9 lety

      +Christopher Tribe having lived for 20 years, and done a fair bit of woodwork in Scandinavia (Denmark), where there's still a thriving master/apprentice system, then yes, i would agree that we are regretting the loss of that system, regardless of why. craftspeople are valued and respected in scandinavia (and in the german-speaking countries) and as a result, not many people choose the 'diy' method of gaining these skills - and those that do often see themselves as somehow less able than the time-served people, when this isn't always the case. often, what the time-served people learn is speed and not necessarily quality beyond the demands of the job - which is usually a question of machines
      i think there's a 'learning by doing' attitude here in the UK, influenced by the often maverick approach you could see in the Arts & Crafts movement, which was as much a philosophy as anything else. having said that, there are of course 'islands' of skill and quality where the older, slower approach thrives
      personally, i'm in the process of setting my own workshop and approach up, partly to provide a meager income, and partly to do something satisfying where i set the terms. i don't know if we Brits are especially good with hand tools but the desire is there, for sure. and personally, i find the japanese to be a great inspiration

    • @gnuPirate
      @gnuPirate Před 8 lety +1

      +Christopher Tribe
      I'll absolutely agree with the Brits being excellent at technical / hands-on skills and very high-quality workmanship as a general rule, in all areas inc. music ; I'm going to suggest another obvious reason for this ; It's always pissing down rain over there, so you lot are mostly indoors much of the time, and you need to do something to keep yourselves amused ! (:

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety +3

      +SixSixSix I don't know where this idea has come from that it's always raining here. That's not true, sometimes it snows or hails or it's foggy. Actually it's raining at the moment.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety +1

      +richnfamous Only just spotted your post. I agree completely about your comments on the apprntice system in Scandinavian and German speaking countries. I remember on a holiday in Germany wathcing a decorator painting a house over the road from our flat. The care and attention to detail was meticulous. I'm not sure whether that was due to the German temperament or a good apprentice ship.
      I think that an apprenticeship system may limit innovation in a craft, people doing things because that was what they were taught. The "learning by doing" approach of arts and crafts possibly lead to more innovative approach.
      Good luck with the workshop. I am also in the process of setting up a workshop at home, retirement is not far away. I hope to post some videos on how I go about it.

  • @GregorMartinBoyle
    @GregorMartinBoyle Před 11 lety

    Inspirational, I can't wait to try all these tips and techniques.

  • @clemmcguinness1087
    @clemmcguinness1087 Před 7 lety +1

    Thanks for this video. Very informative. Patience and accuracy might take me a little time though! Cheers

  • @Offshoreorganbuilder
    @Offshoreorganbuilder Před 11 lety

    Thanks for this. I appreciate the way in which you show slight imperfections and maybe how to deal with them. There's nothing worse than someone who says, 'We'll check if this is true ... Yes, that's fine.' The viewer wants to know what you can do about it, if it *isn't* fine! On this subject, it might be helpful to some viewers to know how to deal with the slightly loose fit of one piece in another. My own technique would be to paint a little PVA onto the end-grain of the 'notched' piece.>

  • @Offshoreorganbuilder
    @Offshoreorganbuilder Před 11 lety

    < The PVA (i.e. 'white' glue, which is all the better for being thinned a little to a 'size') will dry hard, raising the end-grain. The result is surprisingly effective in tightening up an opening (either straight-sided, as in this case) or round (i.e. a boring) which started out just that bit too big. It also has the effect of sizing the grain to reduce the tendency of the wood to absorb the glue.

  • @nareea
    @nareea Před 7 lety

    Working with hand tools has to be amazingly satisfying.

  • @ben_r_
    @ben_r_ Před 8 lety +3

    Great and informative video, thanks for posting! Makes me thankful for dado stacks!

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety

      +ben_r_ Dado stacks aren't allowed over here. I'd probably use a router or repeated cuts on the saw if I wanted to do it quickly.

  • @robinmarwick1982
    @robinmarwick1982 Před 3 lety

    Thanks Chris very helpful video.

  • @robinmarwick1982
    @robinmarwick1982 Před 6 lety

    Excellent video Chris thanks

  • @GuillermoSanchez29
    @GuillermoSanchez29 Před 7 lety

    Thank you for the lesson so many little things people for to explain because they second nature when doing projects

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety

      Thanks for that Guillermo. One of the things I find about teaching is that it makes you think about your own practice and just how you do things. If you don't understand your own techniques you can't teach them.

  • @TestNick__0000
    @TestNick__0000 Před 10 lety

    So long .... And , this is joinery . Respect

  • @dchubad
    @dchubad Před 7 lety +1

    now this is the type of carpentry i like and would love to learn more. i live in the south of the UK and agree, the British are the best with hand tools. most people today cant make anything without power tools

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety +5

      Hi Dion Thanks for the comment. I'm not sur we are the best at using hand tools. That accolade might have to go to the Japanese. I'm a bit ambivalent about this hand/machine tool debate. I think you should use the appropriate tool for the job, the one that will give you the best most accurate result. Often this will be a machine. However if you don't have complete mastery of hand tools you will often resort to machines when they are not appropriate.

    • @harroldschaap5096
      @harroldschaap5096 Před 7 lety

      Dion Fitzgerald 😁

  • @RusticDavid
    @RusticDavid Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks Chris great video

  • @juanpindonga405
    @juanpindonga405 Před 6 lety

    Nice job, completely usefull for people like me wich are starting; Thanks

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for the positive feedback Juan.

  • @teiaperigosa
    @teiaperigosa Před 9 lety

    nice video...gr8 camera work too...thanks

  • @mickm234
    @mickm234 Před 3 lety

    I can here my woodwork teacher from 50 years ago saying, ‘leave the line on’...

  • @MrCJTribe
    @MrCJTribe  Před 11 lety +1

    Hi
    I use water stones for sharpening both chisels and plane irons, grades 1000, 4000 and 10,000.
    I may post a vid. on sharpening one day but feel there are plenty on the net already.
    Chris

  • @gazookerman1328
    @gazookerman1328 Před 6 lety

    Good tutorial, but my woodwork teacher would always advise using a piece of scrapwood placed aback of the work piece when chiseling out the joint, so as to prevent splitting or overtravel chisel....

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 6 lety +1

      Yes that could be a good strategy. However using the method shown I have never had a problem with this as long as you make sure the chisel is not cutting when it exits the back of the piece. This also ensures that you do not cut below that reference edge at the back.

  • @ibrhemahmed170
    @ibrhemahmed170 Před rokem

  • @lutetube88
    @lutetube88 Před 9 lety

    Nice Video, thanks for sharing, regards.

  • @erwinmoreno23
    @erwinmoreno23 Před 2 lety

    Thanks

  • @TheSam2400
    @TheSam2400 Před 8 lety +1

    Thanks for the video. What were the two types of saw you used? Was the first one a dovetail saw?

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety

      +TheSam2400 Hi Sam, the first one was a Veritas dovetail saw sharpened crosscut. The second was an old tenon saw sharpened to rip. You don't need two saws to do this. The veritas would probably not be good for the ripping as the teeth are quite fine, but a 15tpi tenon cross cut saw would be OK for both cuts.

  • @elpintado
    @elpintado Před 10 lety

    Grat video for guys like getting started, but You said lap joints are not very strong, what would be better for a carcass or structure of 2x2 pieces that is not to complicated or requires special tools, a strong joint with hand tools, circular saw and drill.

  • @robinmarwick1982
    @robinmarwick1982 Před 7 lety

    excellent video thanks

  • @thelowmein9143
    @thelowmein9143 Před 7 lety

    Well I learned something, namely, don't try to cut all the way to the line, get close and pair down the rest.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety

      Hi Thanks for the comment. However I would recommend, when sawing the lap to try to saw to the line and limit your paring as much as possibe. Paring is time consuming and not as accurate as sawing once you are proficient with a saw. Obviously you have to pare the socket, unless you have a hand router or similar tool , but for sawing the lap aim to hit the line.

  • @laurenwasinger9436
    @laurenwasinger9436 Před 8 lety +1

    You mentioned that lap joints are not terribly strong... there was a recent article from Fine Woodworking where they tested a bunch of different joints and they came up with the half lap joint as strongest. www.finewoodworking.com/how-to/video/joint-strength-test.aspx I'm trying to pick a joint for a project and need strength... so I'd love to know what you think of the results and why you think of the lap joint as not strong. Also, what do you think is the strongest joint?

  • @xiaolaohuxiao3293
    @xiaolaohuxiao3293 Před 10 lety

    pretty good course, and father hands. please take gloves to protect.

    • @Johnhil20728
      @Johnhil20728 Před 5 lety

      gloves won't save you from sawing your hands off

  • @maxrennie2741
    @maxrennie2741 Před 9 lety

    Hi Chris,
    Good video, I plan on making a work table next month and Lap joints will be perfect for some areas.
    What do you find is the best way to sharpen your chisels?
    Thanks

  • @ErikAnderson1
    @ErikAnderson1 Před 11 lety

    Nice saws what brand are they? I like your video and your tips and techniques!
    Erik

  • @jtreg
    @jtreg Před 4 lety

    Cheer up mate

  • @cosakti
    @cosakti Před 7 lety

    nice info thanks

  • @anshsachdeva2013
    @anshsachdeva2013 Před 7 lety

    hi sir, thank you for such a nice video!its my paper today and am feeling prepared now :) was just wondering, what type of wood you used for demonstration?

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety

      Hi Ansh, I think it was poplar a soft, rather bland North American hardwood, also known as tulip wood.

    • @anshsachdeva2013
      @anshsachdeva2013 Před 7 lety

      oh ok, thankyou for the information, sir!

  • @rafaelmaruri4471
    @rafaelmaruri4471 Před 9 lety

    thank for you help

  • @jjohnston94
    @jjohnston94 Před 10 lety

    Right.

  • @bradleyberthold4606
    @bradleyberthold4606 Před 10 lety

    A datum surface means one that is flat square and true

  • @mfcman2k7
    @mfcman2k7 Před 11 lety

    I was wondering what you use to sharpen your chisel

  • @kriksmcgeeks
    @kriksmcgeeks Před 10 lety

    Hey Chris, thanks so much for posting this video. I recently took a shot at making a lap joint using your technique and it worked really well. My only question is what kind of saw were you using? I used a regular hand saw and I feel that it created too wide a cut which made it a bit harder to be as precise as I wanted when sawing at the boundary lines.

    • @kriksmcgeeks
      @kriksmcgeeks Před 10 lety

      Just to clarify. I am asking about the first saw you used. The one with the black handle.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 10 lety

      Krikor Paylan That was a 20tpi cross cut saw from the Canadian company Vertitas. It's a very good saw, although the set could be a little wider. Is your saw nice and sharp? A sharp saw helps.

    • @kriksmcgeeks
      @kriksmcgeeks Před 10 lety

      Thanks Chris. The saw I have is plenty sharp but I just wanted to know what to look for if I ever need something more precise.

    • @maximedwards3451
      @maximedwards3451 Před 10 lety

      You answered the question.

  • @violetblye3006
    @violetblye3006 Před 7 lety +1

    I don't get the bit about squaring to the datum surfaces, "you never square it from the other surfaces".....what are the other surfaces? Tks.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety +2

      Hi Violet, thanks for the question. At the start of a project yoiu should plane two adjacent faces so they are flat and square to each other. These are your datum surfaces, refered to as face side and face edge, throughout the project all dimensioning, marking and measuring should be done from those faces. It's a way of ensuring everything comes out square at the end. This is why I say you should square from the datum surfaces.
      Although the datum surfaces are called FACE side and edge this does not mean they face out on the completed piece. The reverse in fact, the faces should be on the outside because you want all jointing to be into those faces which you know are square.
      I hope that answers your question.
      Chris

  • @MaghoxFr
    @MaghoxFr Před 8 lety

    Hi Christopher. I want to make some simple trestles for an outdoor tabletop. I made a couple of them years ago with butt joints and screws, but I hate them to be honest, they look cheap because I was beggining woodworking back them. I want to make a nicer ones and thought of half lap joints with dowels. Do you think this type of joint is suitable for foldable trestles?
    Thank you

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety

      +MaghoxFr It's difficult to comment without more information about the design. If you would like to email me the design I would be happy to advise.
      Chris

    • @MaghoxFr
      @MaghoxFr Před 8 lety

      +Christopher Tribe I understand. I'll make some drawings and send you an email. Thank you in advance for your help!

  • @dipusone
    @dipusone Před 11 lety

    Can I ask you, how long are the saw you used. I guessed the small is 8".

  • @BanibrataDutta
    @BanibrataDutta Před 5 lety

    Sir have you made any videos on how to make lap joints on plywood using hand tools ?

  • @IrfanAhmed-ss5kb
    @IrfanAhmed-ss5kb Před 7 lety +1

    sir what kind of wooden things we can make with the help of cross lap and dovetail joints

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 7 lety +1

      Hi Irfan, Lap joints are good for making frames, especiallyb when you want two members to cross each other such as shown in the pic (I hope the link works), this is a cross piece under a table top. Dovetails are a very strong joint for jointing wide pieces at the corner. Especially useful for drawers.
      i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp60/mr-tpics/IMG_02891.jpg

  • @demp1563
    @demp1563 Před 10 lety

    The British seem to be the best with hand tools. What sort of training or apprenticeship is required for furniture making?

    • @maximedwards3451
      @maximedwards3451 Před 10 lety +1

      A life time,You will never stop learning.

    • @wqpeb
      @wqpeb Před 10 lety

      An old Asian master maker of teacups who was known the world over as a National Treasure for the exquisite nature of his work was observed by an onlooker who saw him make a fine cup in just five minutes, "it only took you five minutes to do that!" exclaimed the onlooker. The master responded:
      "my son - it took me FIFTY YEARS... and five minutes.. to make that cup".

    • @maximedwards3451
      @maximedwards3451 Před 10 lety

      wqpeb Good answer,and very right,but we all start from scratch,if You have even the basic tools and You have the enthusiasm, go for it.

  • @TheRedbeardster
    @TheRedbeardster Před 10 lety

    A band saw is very useful :)

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 10 lety

      Watch this space. I am planning a video on cutting big dovetails on the band saw.

    • @TheRedbeardster
      @TheRedbeardster Před 10 lety

      Christopher Tribe
      Sure, I've subscribed to your channel.

  • @Munzer1977
    @Munzer1977 Před 8 lety

    kindly show me how to make a perfect side wooden vice like the one you having

  • @dutchwoodwork
    @dutchwoodwork Před 8 lety

    beutifull

  • @UndercoverRat
    @UndercoverRat Před 8 lety

    hi, does the type of wood make a difference? I'd like to do this with oak. thanks

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety +1

      +Undercover Rat In the vid I was using poplar which is a a fairly soft easy to cut hardwood. You can do it in oak but you need the chisel to be really sharp. An alternative for cutting laps is to use a hand router, either an electric one or the hand tool with a cranked blade. This would speed things up if you had a lot to do.

  • @theogalvin2516
    @theogalvin2516 Před 8 lety

    If you visit his website this week, I think it’s the last chance to grab a draft copy of Woody Hyezmar’s woodworking Book, google it.

  • @hevarkaftan
    @hevarkaftan Před 11 lety

    Hello Sir
    I just got into carpeting ,I am a doctor ,and doing woodworking relaxes me a lot , I would like to know is it possible to do a half lap with a circular saw , because that is what I have right now thanks

  • @mggcomputers
    @mggcomputers Před 10 lety

    the saw he is using is a Veritas crosscut saw he might be using a rip but he's prob using crosscut they are from a line of saws from veritas go on there website an you can order a free catalog which has there line of saws and a million other tools in there. once you get there catalog you'll have every tool you'll ever need best free investment i have ever made. it's better than rockler catalog trust me plus it comes with a second catalog with just hardware that has so much hardware for furniture that woodworkers would ever need.

  • @learnerlearns
    @learnerlearns Před 10 lety

    What is a "datum surface?"

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 10 lety +3

      Hi
      Establishing datum surfaces is one of the most important processes in a project. In woodworking the datum surfaces are known as face side and face edge. When you start a project you should plane up one face so that is is perfectly flat, this is your face side. Then plane up one of the edges so it is perfectly square to the face side, this is your face edge. Most makers have a convention for marking face side and face edge.
      Having established face side and face edge you do all marking and measuring from those surfaces. The face side and edge should be facing the inside of the piece you are making where ever possible so that joints are made into true surfaces.
      If you don't get your face side and edge true there is a good chance the piece will not be true..
      Chris.

    • @learnerlearns
      @learnerlearns Před 10 lety +1

      Wow... THANK you Chris!

  • @TheWoodStroker
    @TheWoodStroker Před 8 lety

    Mr. Tribe, might I suggest a Moxon vise to raise your work some? It seems to me your are bending down too much. I enjoyed the video none the less.

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety +2

      +Michael Aitchison Hi Michael, thanks for the tip about the Moxon vice. The bench I was demonstrating on was not my usual bench, I can't remember why I was working on a student bench for this vid. My usual bench is much higher, about 40" (I am 6'5'), it's the prototype for the benches we make on my bench making course.

  • @cacadodo666
    @cacadodo666 Před 10 lety

    hardcore

  • @pierluigicolotto9570
    @pierluigicolotto9570 Před 3 lety

    I know Woodglut has the best woodworking plans.

  • @keliweisgerber3896
    @keliweisgerber3896 Před 8 lety

    This time I'll use woodprix instructions to make it by myself.

  • @romaineathey2690
    @romaineathey2690 Před 3 lety

    Woodprix has a lot of designs to choose from.

  • @charliewatts4558
    @charliewatts4558 Před 6 lety +2

    why r diy vids always with americans

    • @SansAziza
      @SansAziza Před 4 lety

      Depends on what you want; search a tech how-to and they're suddenly all Indian.

  • @matthewlavergne5610
    @matthewlavergne5610 Před 6 lety

    You can learn more about it on woodprix website I think.

  • @johncoonradtjr.5141
    @johncoonradtjr.5141 Před 8 lety

    Boring

    • @MrCJTribe
      @MrCJTribe  Před 8 lety +2

      +John Coonradt jr.5 Ah well John, that's woodwork for you!

    • @MaghoxFr
      @MaghoxFr Před 8 lety +2

      +John Coonradt jr.5 If watching someone with obvious top skills on a craft doing their work bores you, it would be healthy for you to do some soul searching mate.

    • @SansAziza
      @SansAziza Před 4 lety

      Boring, drilling, sawing, gluing... It's all here.