@Paula Wallace Torah observant Jews (hardly pagans) worshiped Jesus of Nazareth as divine in the 1st century (as early as 46 AD, 13-16 years removed from his crucifixion). Christianity, which was recognized as a Jewish sect until after the destruction of Herod's temple was founded in the thoroughly non-pagan province Judea. So good luck with the whole "pagans did it" thing.
Jesus commanded His people to spread the gospel. A Christian is absolutely supposed to "tell others how to approach the Logos". That's the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20).
@@bryanjacobs1423 That's not why he did it. Jefferson's religion was between himself and God alone. He believed the way he lived his life would say all that needed to be said. His book wasn't meant to be an iron rod of command, it was his red cap of liberty.
@AngryReacts OnlyPlease I could have said "𒀭𒅗", which I assure you isn't popular at all, but since we're discussing Jefferson's view of the New Testament and the impact of his _philosophia_ on American government I figured I'd just transliterate the original Greek. My most grievous goof. Perhaps you would prefer Lakȟótiyapi?
Val Mid great point, especially since he purchased it in 1765 when studying ottoman law and didn’t deal with Barbary pirates until 1786. Oh, wait that timeline is off by 21 years. Damn history.
@@andrewmn3024 The Barbary Pirates were a hot topic everywhere at the time, you couldn't study anything ottoman without piracy being part of it, so your condescension is irrelevant, just like your point/opinion.
@@johnnybop64 I’m curious, how many writings or publications from the 1760s have you read to base that opinion on? You seem rather defensive for the apparent wealth of your knowledge?
That Jefferson left in spiritual elements doesn't mean he believed them. He only left them in there because they were integrated into the quotes of Jesus. In a letter to William Short from April 13, 1820, Jefferson notes "It is not to be understood that I am with Jesus in all of his doctrines. I am a materialist [i.e., the doctrine that nothing exists except matter]. Jesus takes the side of spiritualism."
Barton: Not a wasted word. Every sentence and word in this is thought out, interesting, and contributes to the point he is going to. And spoken in such a way, you hang on every word. This, is a gift.
Truly funny. How he speaks of these actions of Thomas Jefferson as if he was there himself. I can totally debunk all of his Misinformation for his Christian agenda by just saying “Thomas Paine”. Him and Jefferson shared letters describing hopes the fall of Christianity in the new world “ being America”. This guy is a brain washer. He hasn’t done any research. Lol. I’d love to debate him. I actually study this
@@LVL50DarkElf His credibility is easily found and verified. What the heck is your credibility ?...your word ? Nothing you said can be verified. Marxist puke.
@@chevymon1 lol. Hey 👋 Boomer Pick up a book called “The age of reason “ by :Thomas Paine. You know. The guy who wrote the “Common Sense” pamphlets The corner stone of all American history. Benjamin Franklin recruited him to be a writer …. But I’m sure Books make you Angry because you are incognizant of common sense in general. Btw Fox News is going down pretty hard right now because of the “BIG LIE”. Maybe that’s why you are so angry right now 😂.
@@LVL50DarkElf Not angry. I just abhor a marxist liar. You communists have positioned yourselves sweetly, for the time being. It's going to end badly for you all.
One thing that should be mentioned in relation to his children and to others he gave a bible to was that anyone who was serious about literature or wanted to be considered an educated person was (is) wholly obligated to read the Bible. I’m not religious but I understand the importance of biblical literacy; If you don’t know those allusions you can’t analyze western literature properly. So it seems like he was interested in the utility of the Bible, not just about the fact that it had good teachings. Also, the interviewee says “what about the supernatural things that were left in?” ….well what about all that were deliberately taken out? Jefferson did reject things Christian’s see as bedrock (ie divinity of Jesus, the trinity, resurrection). The interviewee seems to only show one side of the coin. Jefferson was a complex, conflicted person.
@@michaelwatts5139 Same God, its not like Batman lol. They didnt have Micheal Keaton in there as God then Christianity recast God as Christian Bale lol. Its all the same God.
I'm a conservative Christian who believes the days of Genesis 1 were 24 hour days and an ordained minister. But I also have a degree in history and I have to say that Barton is flat-out wrong about Jefferson and twisted numerous things about the 1804 and 1820 Jefferson Bibles. It would take too much time to go through point by point as CZcams comments, but I urge Christians to look into it for themselves because there is a lot of twisting of history that Barton is engaging in. Jefferson believed that the moral code of Christianity was superior and as such is indeed the foundation upon which the whole nation rests, but he was not true believer. He did not believe in the substitutionary atonement or that Jesus was indeed God. The USA is moralistically a Christian nation from its founding, but the founding fathers were highly influenced by rationalism and most of them, including Jefferson, did not believe the saving truths in Scripture.
Serious question. I'm not a Christian and even if jesus existed as a person the existence of a man called jesus would not establish his claims or others claims about his divinity. I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested. In your thoughts. I'm not asking God or religion but the historicity of Jesus and the historicity of the Bible.?
James Psimaris Every credible historian recognizes that Jesus existed, even the agnostic Bart Ehrman, and the leading German historians. You're right, though, the historicity of Jesus does not mean He was God. It all comes down to the question which He Himself asked of His apostles in Matthew 16, "Whom do you say that I am?" It's not enough to acknowledge that He was a good, historical teacher of morality because a good teacher would not have said the things He said but would have been either declared to be a liar (which the Pharisees said He was) or a lunatic (which the rationalistic Sadducees said He was) or Lord. He obviously existed because there is no other explanation for the quick growth and expansion of Christianity without the Jews or Romans easily strangling it in the cradle. So, given that He existed, it is up to each person to read what He said and decide for themselves WHO this man Jesus was and is, a liar, a lunatic, or Lord.
Huh, interesting. Even though I´m German and I didn´t know anything about the Jefferson Bible(s) (both versions) and also I´m an atheist - but that was very interesting. Plus I knew that Ben Shapiro is a great speaker and thinker. Now I know he´s also very good at listening. But I shouldn´t be surprised. In this segment it appears he has very good patience to listen. Not many people have that. Ben speaks very fast, but that is only because he´s thinking very fast. He doesn´t want to silence people by speaking so fast. Long story short: I like this video and I like the way Ben was listening. Because I didn´t know before that he was that good at listening.
You love these: *Romans 1:1* "Paul, a _bondservant_ of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God." *Ephesians 6:5-7* _"SLAVES,_ obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as *SLAVES* of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.” *Revelation 2:16* “Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the SWORD of my mouth.” *Matthew 10:34-35* “Do NOT suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a *SWORD.* For I have come to turn a man _against_ his father, a daughter *against* her mother, a daughter-in-law AGAINST her mother-in-law." *Luke 14:26* “If anyone comes to me and does not *HATE* their father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters - yes, even their own life - such a person can NOT be my disciple."
After watching this I went searching for a copy of the 1804 Bible. As I found out, no copies exist...How can he tell people to read something that no longer exists? And how can he profess to know what is/was in it? When it does not exist and apparently disappeared around 1858 per Monticello.org?
Yeah. Most of the modern historians frame Jefferson as a Deist who believed Jesus to be a moral figure, rather than a religious one, due to the very claims about the Jefferson Bible cutting out all of the miracles. Its disconcerting that I was assigned an academic book for one of my classes just last semester that continued to forward this claim, which David Barton here counters. I will need to follow up on David Barton's claims and look at the primary sources, but, he is hardly wrong on scholars simply citing each other rather than the source material, especially when they begin to go down historiographical rabbit holes. I wrote an entire paper on a topic that suffered from such a rabbit hole, actually.
@@jackmeoff8953 I will definitely attest that some of them are doing this, yes. But, I would not place a blanket over all of them saying as such. There are a few decent ones out there that will, perhaps in their words, "give the devil his due" when it comes to religion, etc. They are becoming fewer and fewer, however, which is a major concern.
1. The Declaration of Independence is NOT a legally binding document. The Constitution was written 11 years after and the Articles of Confederation were written in between. The groups of signers were different and there is no evidence that any of the founders said you could not separate the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence. They are, in fact, two different documents, one of which is not legally binding. It has nothing to do with how much "faith" is in either one. 2. Jefferson rejected the notion of the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. He rejected Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement, and original sin (believing that God could not fault or condemn all humanity for the sins of others, a gross injustice). This is confirmed in his own words. 3. Article 7 of the Constitution has to do with ratification of the Constitution. There is no mention of the Declaration of Independence in Article 7. In fact, it reads, simply, "The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same" 4. There is no evidence that The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth (the first Jefferson Bible) was distributed to the Indians or any missionary.. In fact, there is some evidence that the Indians referred to by Jefferson were actually Federalists who questioned his Christianity. 5. The sermon by Bennet referenced by Barton doesn’t mention native Americans. It does extol the moral teachings of Jesus but does not exhort readers to present only the simple moral teachings of Jesus to native Americans. --> wthrockmorton.com/2016/02/16/how-did-thomas-jefferson-come-up-with-the-idea-to-cut-up-the-gospels/ 6. Barton could not have read the 1804 version, known as The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, because all that remains of it is a table with references to Bible verses. While Barton did not state that he read it, he implied by asking others if they had read it. wthrockmorton.com/2012/05/14/what-did-jefferson-include-in-his-edited-gospels-aka-the-jefferson-bible/ 7. The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth was purchased for $400 by Cyrus Adler from Jefferson's great-grandaughter, Carolina Ramsey Randolph, not a grandson. it was purchased in 1892 while Adler was at the Smithsonian, not the Library of Congress. Most of this information was found at monticello.org or the web site of the Smithsonian. I don’t understand how someone can call themselves an historian and apparently disregard accuracy, but Barton certainly appears to do just that.
Well, unfortunately, though not surprisingly, this is one of those videos leftists hope you'll never see. They will crap themselves if more people became informed by this video, so that their arguments of Thomas Jefferson being a "deist" will begin to lose their effect!
@@Gozoman24 You missed the point of this conversation. Stop hating people just because they may not agree with you politically or for any other reason. Love is the answer. That's the point. Jefferson WAS a deist. He loved God and followed the teachings of Christ in his daily life. How about YOU try doing that each day!?
@@remixandkaraoke Guess who's my judge? The Only Begotten Son! Guess who's not my judge? YOU! Many others too! But I suspect you don't know what the definition of a deist is anyway- unless I was just misinformed about the definition.
@@remixandkaraoke Jefferson said he was a Christian in a letter. A few things a Diest doesn't do is go to church, pray and read the Bible. Jefferson did all three. Jefferson was known to go to multiple denominations churches. Diests believe in a Creator who is silent and just observes. There would be no point for a diest to do any of the above mentioned. The claim about the Founders being deists is just another attempt to remove Christianity from our Founding and public life by the left. It's not about different politics it's about the left flat out lies and omits facts to push their agenda.
It's not, David Barton is a total pseudo-historian who invents quotes and writes bullshit based on his evangelical propaganda. Look into his background.
Yeah. Most of the modern historians frame Jefferson as a Deist who believed Jesus to be a moral figure, rather than a religious one, due to the very claims about the Jefferson Bible cutting out all of the miracles. Its disconcerting that I was assigned an academic book for one of my classes just last semester that continued to forward this claim, which David Barton here counters. I will need to follow up on David Barton's claims and look at the primary sources, but, he is hardly wrong on scholars simply citing each other rather than the source material, especially when they begin to go down historiographical rabbit holes. I wrote an entire paper on a topic that suffered from such a rabbit hole, actually.
Jefferson was a theist and he believed in God, but he certainly did not believe that Jesus was divine, and he did not consider himself a Christian in the sense that most of us would. He also believed that the Gospels were corruptions of Jesus true teachings. The miracles were part of the books that he rejected. "Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820 "The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills." - Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, January 24, 1814
VCR Time Machine He did not officially reject those things his entire life, only in the last few years of his life (hence your letters from 1814 and on far after the founding of the nation and even his presidency). Consider these statements by Jefferson and how right wing religious extremist he would appear today for saying such things: “The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example.” “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever…” He recommended that the Great Seal of our nation be modeled after a Biblical account depicting the "children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night" and include the word "God" on it. (So much for him rejecting miracles...) In his official government role, he also did the following: He negotiated treaties with the Indians where he included direct FEDERAL funding of Christian missionaries which was then ratified by Congress. He ended his LEGAL documents as a government official (including U.S. President) with "In the year of our Lord Christ" adding the word “Christ” to the commonly used phrase. He started the use of the United States Capitol Building (home of Congress) as a church building when he was President of the Senate. He attended church in the Capitol for 8 years as a sitting U.S. President. He ordered the Marine Corp band to play for worship services in the Capitol building. Ironically, though he is often cited for keeping the influence of the church out of the government, rather than keeping the church out of government, Thomas Jefferson LITERALLY put the church in the government when he approved church services being held in the United States Capitol Building. In the letter to the Danbury Baptist’s where Jefferson makes the statement, “separation of church and state,” he ends that letter in what many today would erroneously call a violation of the First Amendment saying, "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man..." The fact is, though he is one of the least religious founding fathers, he would be considered a religious extremist in today’s climate. The
@@jlrapid So perhaps the correct answer is recognition of the two: people change, and as with Thomas Jefferson, he held beliefs earlier in his life that perhaps, if we cannot attribute such a shift to senility, he eventually abandoned. Perhaps that is what people should be highlighting, rather than trying to say he was firmly one or firmly the other.
The Constitution is fundamental law. The Declaration is an announcement to Europe giving our reasons as to why we are establishing a federal republic. It does not now nor has it ever had any authority of law.
Jefferson stated explicitly that there ought to be a "wall of seperation" between church and state. That religion is between "man and god' and "should never enter the halls of congress" So you are wrong benny boy.
A little late, but I have one small correction: in 1886 Jefferson had no living grandsons, only a granddaughter who died the next year. His last living grandson died in 1881. I believe when he said grandson in the video at 5:07, he meant great-grandson or great-great-grandson. Not very important, just wanted to point that out.
This is a very important point because it also debunks the Sally Hemmings myth that Jefferson had a sexual relationship with her. It now appears that his profligate younger brother Randolph Jefferson was who impregnated her and NOT Thomas.
Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. I’ve read the Jefferson bible. He believed in the message Jesus was preaching but he clearly did not believe Jesus was the messiah or the son of god. He did not bother with making a point to tell people his beliefs nor did he worry about what others believed in. Yes, his spirituality evolved and changed over his lifetime. Quit trying to force Jefferson into a box. No one has EVER said he hated the Bible, he strongly believed in a creator but he also strongly believed no one should be forced to believe in one religion and that we shouldn’t worry about what our neighbor believes.
Exactly, he was a deist at most. This David Barton is completely reliant on people never reading either Jefferson Bibles to peddle his evangelical propaganda.
I agree, David Barton's line of thinking is completely asinine! I am an atheist yet my family still attends church (my wife wants to go). My kids attend Sunday school and we have several bibles in our home. That doesn't make me a Christian. He is glossing over the many quotes and letters Jefferson has made on the subject of Christianity and its role with in our government. To say the least he thought it dangerous and that it had no place in a truly free government. Jefferson, like many of the founding fathers, was a deist at best.
Barton's official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues".[32] Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[8][9][10][11] According to the New York Times, "Many professional historians dismiss Mr. Barton, whose academic degree is in Christian Education from Oral Roberts University, as a biased amateur who cherry-picks quotes from history and the Bible."[7] Barton's 2012 book The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[33] The book's publisher, Christian publishing house Thomas Nelson, disavowed the book and withdrew it from sale. A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."
Barton is wrong. Jefferson was no Christian. Jefferson liked the "moral" teachings of Jesus, but Jesus did not come to be a "moral teacher" for mankind. He came to be the perfect, sinless Lamb of God who took away the sins of the World and who died for our sins, and rose for our justification. If you do not believe in the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus, then you do not believe in Jesus and are not a Christian.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident. {Franklin's edit to the assertion in Thomas Jefferson's original wording, 'We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable' in a draft of the Declaration of Independence changes it instead into an assertion of rationality. The scientific mind of Franklin drew on the scientific determinism of Isaac Newton and the analytic empiricism of David Hume and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. In what became known as 'Hume's Fork' the latters' theory distinguished between synthetic truths that describe matters of fact, and analytic truths that are self-evident by virtue of reason and definition.}”
Only one problem Jefferson didn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God. And in the moral teachings of Jesus there is no miraculous birth or resurrection.
Deuteronomy, proverbs and Revelation all state, do not add to or TAKE AWAY from the Word of God. It's wrong, it doesn't matter if you happen to be Thomas Jefferson
Well he's not the 1st or the last to change or ad to the word of God. Infact its been done So many times its hard to know what the word actually was. And what was put in to help control minds& hearts of a broke, hungry, & desperate population.
@@shaunlowe5108 that's what Satan has and still is doing to the "poor" and "broke" and "desperate" . I might add the the so called "wise" and "Well to do". The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts align almost word for word with the King James Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls discovery prove that along with 100's of 1 century copies, all align .i suppose your looking for a convenient excuse to disregard, but guess what? That will not change your future, only Jesus Christ can. Skeptic eh? You have a glaring prophecy staring at you everyday in the state of Israel. Went out of existence 2k years ago, language even died, people dispersed, and came back as a nation as told so in Ezekiel 37. BTW that has never been done in the history of the world. The Word of God changed me. I was a foul mouth, drug abusing, fornicater. (That's one of those poor, broke, and desperate you spoke of, but not monetarily I might add) I put my faith in the Lord and He Took those destructive behaviors out of my life and I desire them no more
In order for one to hold this position one must ignore the letter sent to Adam's in 1822 and 1823. "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter " This is why he modified the bible, he thought the miracles and fantastic events took away from the good morale code found within it. Dont take my word for it, Notes of the State of Virginia and all his letters to Adam's are available on the web.
@Paula Wallace The Hebrews had no word for virgin, but the word for maiden (unmarried woman) was considered to be synonymous with a virgin; otherwise, the woman could be stoned to death. Semantics, very deceptive semantics. I don't like deceivers.
@Paula Wallace girl you're trippin'.All these ridiculous talking points have been debunked ad nauseum by bible scholars,even atheists ones. Go get a life aight?
What did Thomas Jefferson write about the Evangelist Paul? What did he write about Mark, Matthew, Luke and John? Why are those writings of Jefferson not mentioned in this video? Because he called them rouges, imposters and the first corruptors of Jesus. Jefferson liked Jesus He did not like Paul.
The Bible clearly warns never to remove or add to any word of the living God. When you add or remove you create a world of lies in which you live in and pull others into, causing a spiral towards confusion and chaos. Many cults do this.
He also said "I do not believe in the supernatural, in God, Angels, or Spirits. I am a sect of my own". So he was not christian in the way you are thinking.
The Holy Bible is a complete teaching. No one can understand the words of Jesus without first understanding the teachings of Moses and the Prophets, for they all come from the same divine Source, which is the very mouth of God Himself. To eliminate any portion of the Holy Scriptures, no matter how seemingly insignificant, is to dim the light of understanding which the human mind can obtain from studying the written Word of God. Ask yourself this: How were the teachings of Jesus disseminated among the Faithful prior to the writing of the New Testament (A.D. 50-100) and the compilation of these manuscripts into the form we have today (A.D. 390-410)? Who was chosen by God to determine the Books of the New Testament which we hold today were inspired Scripture to the exclusion of all others (and there were thousands)? What forensic test can one apply to a manuscript to establish it's divine inspiration? How is it possible to determine what the original manuscripts said in spite of so many copyists' errors? I do not ask these questions to undermine the veracity of the most Sacred Scriptures. Rather, I ask these questions to make it plain that the Holy Scriptures cannot stand alone, that something else is needed, namely, the authentic Apostolic teaching which Jesus imparted to the Twelve, and then sent them out into the world to proclaim. Where is this authentic Apostolic teaching to be found today?
@@jjosephs6521 There is no proof, as in scientific proof. It is purely a matter of faith. I know the Scriptures contained in Saint Jerome's Latin Vulgate are the inspired Word of God to the exclusion of all others because the Holy Catholic Church said so when She established the Canon using Her divine authority in A.D. 405. Otherwise, there is no way to differentiate them from similar writings of the same time period.
“The thing that helps you have limited government is having moral people” Does anyone know where I can find this direct quote? Like a book, website, document? This is really good
6:45 here's your explanation: "Religion is well supported; of various kinds, indeed, but all good enough; all sufficient to preserve peace and order..." "All sufficient to preserve peace and order"... religion was a means to an end for Jefferson. He promoted the bible because it provides peace and order to a society. That's it. Doesn't care what kind of religion it is as long as it stabilizes the society.
Who ever said Jefferson "...so hated the Bible"? He is arguing against a straw man. The fact is that Jefferson was a rationalist and did not believe in much if any of the fantastical elements in the Bible. If Barton is implying otherwise than he is a liar
Wait what?? 2:22. "They might read the genealogy...and that's not what you want" Why not? Were they afraid the Natives would realize they too descended from Adam and Eve?
So long story short, Jefferson didn’t try to change the Bible, rather he just took what he believed were the best teachings of the Bible and used those for a specific purpose. Perhaps the name “Jefferson Bible” (which wasn’t used by Jefferson himself) is misleading to people who are uninformed about it.
Thomas Jefferson never even signed the U.S. Constitution because he was overseas in Europe. So, this means you won't find the words separation of church and State in the U.S. Constitution. 😊
Your right it says-[N]either can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against non-believers, and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.”
@@memphisjohnnyminnesota8049, 2 days after President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist he attended a church service in the United States Capitol to hear a sermon and had even called in the U.S. Marines to be the worship band.
@@HerveyShmervy there is no logical argument that leads to the belief in God that does not suffer from some sort of fallacy or error of some kind. William Lane Craig’s idea of God isn’t even coherent in the first place. Ben’s probably isn’t either but I’ve never heard him define it before
What we have to remember is that the united states of America is not a group project. The USA that everyone knows but we forgot is that it belongs to every single living creature that lives and thrives within its borders
Barton is right that Jefferson was not an atheist, that he had great respect for the Bible, and that what is today known as "The Jefferson Bible" is made from two parts. Barton is wrong that Jefferson was not a deist. He was. He thought that Jesus was the greatest moral teacher who ever lived but did not believe in the Trinity, the deity of Jesus, the miracles, or Paul's theology of salvation. Yes, you can cherry pick words and phrases that make Jefferson seem to be an orthodox Christian but only by ignoring an avalanche of other material. He believed that Jesus' true message had been embellished and corrupted over time. "The Jefferson Bible" (a term he never knew) was never intended for use to teach the Indians or anybody else. These writings were from his private devotions as he was working through his own religious views and he would be horrified to know that they have been made public. Even his own family did not know they existed until after he died.
Jefferson would not have been a Deist either. A Deist believes in a Creator God who observes and is not involved. They would not go to church or pray. Jefferson did both. Jefferson also believed good deeds were the way to salvation a Deist would not believe that.The claim about the Founders being deists is just lazy history pushed by the left with a secular agenda behind it Jefferson also in his own hand says "I am a Christian" in a letter. He followed the Christian Enlightenment philosophers -Locke Montesquieu and Blackstone.
@@godssara6758 Saying that "The Founders were Christians" or "The Founders were Diests" (or anything else) is using too broad of a brush. You can say that they were all deeply steeped in the Judeo-Christian tradition and that they were familiar with the Bible, etc., and that much is true, but beyond that you have to talk about them as individuals. Some were traditional Christians as we would understand it today (Patrick Henry, John Jay), others like Thomas Paine were far from it, and Jefferson is particularly complicated. Yes, he went to church but that doesn't make him a "Christian." They all went to church on occasion. You had to to hold elected office. Jefferson did not believe in the resurrection, or the miracles, or the Trinity. He edited all references of those things out of his own Bible --and by that I mean literally taking a razor blade and cutting those passages out. (Not sure in what sense you can be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection.) But he was not an atheist either. He believed in a Creator who set the universe in motion. Everyone from evangelicals to atheists all want to claim Jefferson and mold him into their own worldview but we need to allow Jefferson to be Jefferson. There are some good books out there on his religious views if you are really interested.
@@toeknee5565 : I said making sweeping statements like “The Founders were all Christians” or “The Founders were all deists” was too broad and that they had to be taken as individuals. In Jefferson’s case, yes, he was a deist.
Leaving aside the questionable credibilty of Barton whose book on Jefferson was pulled by the publisher, Jefferson rejected the Trinity & Jesus’ divinity, Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement &original sin. So, I'm going to have to disagree w Barton on this one...:-)
He did not officially reject those things his entire life, only in the last few years of his life. Consider these statements by Jefferson and how right wing religious extremist he would appear today for saying such things: “The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example.” “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever…” He recommended that the Great Seal of our nation be modeled after a Biblical account depicting the "children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night" and include the word "God" on it. (So much for him rejecting miracles...) In his official government role, he also did the following: He negotiated treaties with the Indians where he included direct FEDERAL funding of Christian missionaries which was then ratified by Congress. He ended his LEGAL documents as a government official (including U.S. President) with "In the year of our Lord Christ" adding the word “Christ” to the commonly used phrase. He started the use of the United States Capitol Building (home of Congress) as a church building when he was President of the Senate. He attended church in the Capitol for 8 years as a sitting U.S. President. He ordered the Marine Corp band to play for worship services in the Capitol building. Ironically, though he is often cited for keeping the influence of the church out of the government, rather than keeping the church out of government, Thomas Jefferson LITERALLY put the church in the government when he approved church services being held in the United States Capitol Building. In the letter to the Danbury Baptist’s where Jefferson makes the statement, “separation of church and state,” he ends that letter in what many today would erroneously call a violation of the First Amendment saying, "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man..." The fact is, though he is one of the least religious founding fathers, he would be considered a religious extremist in today’s climate.
Very special 1 heretic talking to another about a third heretic called Thomas Jefferson who plain and simple did not believe in the deity of Christ along with his buddy Thomas Paine or George Washington or probably the other buddies at all hung around them at the same time but they did believe in [Adam Weishaupt]
I found it weird how some people can cut up their own Holy Book to fit their own narrative. Isn't the Bible supposed to be the Qur'an version for the Christian? The word of the God(s) itself.
PoDH the Quran version??? Uh, no. The Bible came first. The Quran came, I think, a couple thousand years later and is basically a bastardized version of the Bible.
@@BijinMCMXC No I mean as a Holy Book. Like if you're a Muslim, your Holy Book is the Qur'an. While if you're a Christian, your Holy Book is the Bible.
Paula Wallace That’s not true because in Christianity, Jesus is considered a part of “God” (which is considered to have 3 parts - the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit). He is worshipped as part of God, not as the human he also was (again, complicated).
We are so busy trying to finish God off in our soulless post modern desperation that very few know God and can understand great men and women of God from the past.
have you ever sat down and read scripture and taking notes on that scripture so that it can help you or someone else? Then I guess you are cursed as well.
Too bad Jefferson's Bible removed the key to spiritual rebirth. Living by a list of Biblical morals may well be better than where they are at now.Satans victory comes by watering down the truth and blinding us to a better life. On false teaching, churches etc. Satan will offer you a hundred truths so to fool you with just one lie. Many have come in my name, . Do not believe them
@@steggyweggy us Christians follow the new testament only .no slaves. The old testament is used as a reference point to show life in the period known as the age of law. The new testament is our life also many Democrats owned slaves. History shows no Republican ever owned slaves
@@steggyweggy Satan has an evil double for everything and is intended to distort and water down the truth.Jefferson's Bible should be avoided like ebola
Vernon Toews I’m gonna call bullshit on the no republicans owned slaves. Christians do follow the Old Testament. Otherwise why hold the Ten Commandments to such a high standard and want to suppress gay rights. Without the Old Testament the New Testament doesn’t matter. Besides even if you don’t follow the old law it is still the same terrible god that commanded that law that you follow. Also the devil doesn’t exist. There is much evidence for how the devil and hell are things that evolved over time in the religion of Christianity.
There is a value on focusing on just Jesus' teaching without all the miracles and supernatural events because it helps you to focus on what his teachings are, rather than the miracles and supernatural events; however, it is not meant to dismiss them per se but to focus on his teachings and not be distracted by them. So many Christian thinkers have interpreted what we are to believe. This way you can decide for yourself what his mission was. Jefferson considered the self-proclaimed Apostle Paul to be the first one to corrupt his teachings. What mainstream Christian believe is Paul's interpretation of Jesus' mission was. Read for yourself and don't let others, with their dubious "visions", tell you what his mission was. Jefferson wrote that “Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God.” He called the writers of the New Testament “ignorant, unlettered men” who produced “superstitions, fanaticisms, and fabrications.” He called the Apostle Paul the “first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” He dismissed the concept of the Trinity as “mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” He believed that the clergy used religion as a “mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves” and that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.” And he wrote in a letter to John Adams that “the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2012/features/the-bible-according-to-thomas-jefferson
@@LeviPaladin Mankind bears the image of God. In other words, give to the secular authorities the things that are owed to them and give yourself to God.
@@bryanrhoden7052 You're like that helpful big brother who answers questions not posed to him, aren't you? Jesus wasn't playing friend to Caesar when He answered a question meant to ensnare Him. He was answering that everyone, including Caesar belong to Him, not endorsing taxes...but the Pharisees knew that if He answered against Caesar, that the Romans would take Him captive and if He answered for Caesar that the people (who knew that the system of taxation was unjust) would turn against Him.
@@LeviPaladin I apologize. I thought it was a public question. You are correct in your assessment that it was a question to ensnare Him. I was just answering the question on who bears the image of God. If I've offended you, I ask for your forgiveness.
"The thing that helps you have limited government is having moral people." Oh,,, well so much for _that_ idea. How about a sorta limited one? Can we maybe do that?
Similar to the Wycliffe corporation who publishes bibles in nearly every language in the world. Some cultures with less than 100 words in their language. How do you translate 12,000 or so words into 82? The answer wasn't what I wanted to hear.
Jefferson was a walking contradiction and not intellectually consistent. His ideas were sometimes brilliant and sometimes immoral. He straddled the fence on many issues. This is probably the best way to view his beliefs.
@@aj12271 no need for snide remark. People, as I am sure you are aware tend to see in black and white on subjects. When viewing historical figures such as the founding fathers many see them as more than just mortal men. As a historian myself I find Jefferson to be an interesting study due to his contradictions in action and thought. If you haven't I recommend some study on him. You won't regret it.
If you want to know the truth about Thomas Jefferson's religious views the official Thomas Jefferson Monticello CZcams page put out a very good video on this very subject called "Thomas Jefferson and Religion". All the historical records clearly show Jefferson was in fact a Deist. Yes he was a Christian Diest but he was still a Diest that viewed Jesus as just a human and not divine or as part of the Trinity like a Christian Theist does which is why his political opponents tried to use it against him when he ran for President. Everyone wants to rewrite history whether it's the far left or the far right. I understand the political motivation behind wanting to reject the idea that Jefferson was a Diest but this is wrong. Misleading people or trying to rewrite history is wrong when either side does this crap.
Jefferson absolutely did deny the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Jesus Christ...not just in his Bible version, but also in his own personal letters to John Adams against Trinitarian theology. Jefferson was a Unitarian with Deist leanings, not a Bible-believing Christian. I own a copy of the Jefferson Bible and other writings of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson even boasted that no man in his lifetime living in America would die without converting to Unitarianism. Jefferson didn't hate the Bible, but he didn't believe all of it. He and John Adams both professed Unitarianism, which was a denomination of Christianity at that time that opposed the Trinity.
@@toeknee5565 Unitarianism was considered a denomination of Christianity at that time. It was basically Arianism, similar to Jehovah's Witnesses. Unitarianism today is much different. I realize it's NOT Christianity in the Biblical and orthodox sense, but it was considered a Christian sect during that time, an unorthodox or liberal Christian sect anyway.
@@toeknee5565 I think of Unitarian Universalists when I hear about modern Unitarianism. I was unaware that classical Unitarianism even still existed, aside from Jehovah's Witnesses' theology. As far as orthodoxy goes though, denying the Trinity puts a person out of the Body of Christ and therefore out of Eternal Life.
The entire video is Barton defending Jefferson’s faith but then at the end he says he’s probably not. Either you are for or against Christ. It’s not the morals or teachings of Scripture that save but Christ alone.
He’s also not defending Jefferson’s faith. He’s clarifying it. He’s not arguing that Jefferson was a born-again Christian. He’s only arguing that Jefferson viewed himself as a Christian and not a Deist.
Not trying to be hostile, but what is this guy's point? Do you have to be Christian to be American in his view? What should America do with people of others beliefs -- religious Jews like Shapiro or agnostics like me? What does it mean to say that America is a Christian nation? I'm not against Christianity, but I am legitimately curious.
Shapiro keeps getting hit with Jesus on the Sunday Special.
Jesus is relentless and will never give up.
@Paula Wallace Jesus Christ is God.
@Paula Wallace Torah observant Jews (hardly pagans) worshiped Jesus of Nazareth as divine in the 1st century (as early as 46 AD, 13-16 years removed from his crucifixion). Christianity, which was recognized as a Jewish sect until after the destruction of Herod's temple was founded in the thoroughly non-pagan province Judea. So good luck with the whole "pagans did it" thing.
@Paula Wallace Funny joke
Paula Wallace Bless Your poor little heart Dear. Not true.
Excellent clarification from David Barton. And I really like his very calm manner.
Yes. It's good to know he wasn't a Christian.
Steven Crowder has done 3 videos with him in the past few days about the first and second amendments and the history of the US navy
@@samanthasowell6350 interesting. Will watch when I have time
@@williamh7517 it's good. This guy is the guy you wish you had had as a history teacher.
Why does Shapiro deny Christ?
Jefferson's Bible was made for personal reflection. He didn't craft it to tell others how to approach the Logos. Perhaps that is it's wisest lesson.
Jesus commanded His people to spread the gospel. A Christian is absolutely supposed to "tell others how to approach the Logos". That's the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20).
@@bryanjacobs1423 That's not why he did it. Jefferson's religion was between himself and God alone. He believed the way he lived his life would say all that needed to be said. His book wasn't meant to be an iron rod of command, it was his red cap of liberty.
@AngryReacts OnlyPlease I could have said "𒀭𒅗", which I assure you isn't popular at all, but since we're discussing Jefferson's view of the New Testament and the impact of his _philosophia_ on American government I figured I'd just transliterate the original Greek. My most grievous goof. Perhaps you would prefer Lakȟótiyapi?
Marcus Aurulius' Meditations was also written for personal reflection.
@@YouTubalcaine nice
There was controversy of Jefferson’s Quran; he was using it to analyze the Barbary Pirates: studying the enemy
Val Mid great point, especially since he purchased it in 1765 when studying ottoman law and didn’t deal with Barbary pirates until 1786. Oh, wait that timeline is off by 21 years. Damn history.
@@andrewmn3024 The Barbary Pirates were a hot topic everywhere at the time, you couldn't study anything ottoman without piracy being part of it, so your condescension is irrelevant, just like your point/opinion.
The Barbary Pirates, why the United States has a Navy!
@@johnnybop64 I’m curious, how many writings or publications from the 1760s have you read to base that opinion on? You seem rather defensive for the apparent wealth of your knowledge?
Jefferson thought Islam was not compatible with America as they believe the way to Heaven is killing infidels.
That Jefferson left in spiritual elements doesn't mean he believed them. He only left them in there because they were integrated into the quotes of Jesus. In a letter to William Short from April 13, 1820, Jefferson notes "It is not to be understood that I am with Jesus in all of his doctrines. I am a materialist [i.e., the doctrine that nothing exists except matter]. Jesus takes the side of spiritualism."
Yikes
Barton: Not a wasted word. Every sentence and word in this is thought out, interesting, and contributes to the point he is going to. And spoken in such a way, you hang on every word. This, is a gift.
Jefferson would approve of this verbiage
Truly funny. How he speaks of these actions of Thomas Jefferson as if he was there himself. I can totally debunk all of his Misinformation for his Christian agenda by just saying “Thomas Paine”. Him and Jefferson shared letters describing hopes the fall of Christianity in the new world “ being America”. This guy is a brain washer. He hasn’t done any research. Lol. I’d love to debate him. I actually study this
@@LVL50DarkElf His credibility is easily found and verified. What the heck is your credibility ?...your word ? Nothing you said can be verified. Marxist puke.
@@chevymon1 lol. Hey 👋 Boomer Pick up a book called “The age of reason “ by :Thomas Paine. You know. The guy who wrote the “Common Sense” pamphlets The corner stone of all American history. Benjamin Franklin recruited him to be a writer …. But I’m sure Books make you Angry because you are incognizant of common sense in general. Btw Fox News is going down pretty hard right now because of the “BIG LIE”. Maybe that’s why you are so angry right now 😂.
@@LVL50DarkElf Not angry. I just abhor a marxist liar. You communists have positioned yourselves sweetly, for the time being. It's going to end badly for you all.
One thing that should be mentioned in relation to his children and to others he gave a bible to was that anyone who was serious about literature or wanted to be considered an educated person was (is) wholly obligated to read the Bible. I’m not religious but I understand the importance of biblical literacy; If you don’t know those allusions you can’t analyze western literature properly. So it seems like he was interested in the utility of the Bible, not just about the fact that it had good teachings. Also, the interviewee says “what about the supernatural things that were left in?” ….well what about all that were deliberately taken out? Jefferson did reject things Christian’s see as bedrock (ie divinity of Jesus, the trinity, resurrection). The interviewee seems to only show one side of the coin. Jefferson was a complex, conflicted person.
Another one trying to christianize people again. The constitution is godless. Miracles are magic
Really???
Interesting. I like these religious conversations you have there Benjamin.
Ben hates Jesus and he doesn't even think his God can do miracles.
@Paula Wallace your both being dumb. You guys DO realize the God in Judaism and Christianity is the same God? Lol
@@michaelwatts5139 Same God, its not like Batman lol. They didnt have Micheal Keaton in there as God then Christianity recast God as Christian Bale lol. Its all the same God.
@Paula Wallace idiot
Jefferson made himself what we call a "daily devotion" bible.
Just a daily devotional, not a daily devotion bible.
This is the best guy to listen to, wallbuilders is absolutely needed.
I'm a conservative Christian who believes the days of Genesis 1 were 24 hour days and an ordained minister. But I also have a degree in history and I have to say that Barton is flat-out wrong about Jefferson and twisted numerous things about the 1804 and 1820 Jefferson Bibles. It would take too much time to go through point by point as CZcams comments, but I urge Christians to look into it for themselves because there is a lot of twisting of history that Barton is engaging in. Jefferson believed that the moral code of Christianity was superior and as such is indeed the foundation upon which the whole nation rests, but he was not true believer. He did not believe in the substitutionary atonement or that Jesus was indeed God. The USA is moralistically a Christian nation from its founding, but the founding fathers were highly influenced by rationalism and most of them, including Jefferson, did not believe the saving truths in Scripture.
Serious question. I'm not a Christian and even if jesus existed as a person the existence of a man called jesus would not establish his claims or others claims about his divinity. I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested. In your thoughts. I'm not asking God or religion but the historicity of Jesus and the historicity of the Bible.?
James Psimaris Every credible historian recognizes that Jesus existed, even the agnostic Bart Ehrman, and the leading German historians. You're right, though, the historicity of Jesus does not mean He was God. It all comes down to the question which He Himself asked of His apostles in Matthew 16, "Whom do you say that I am?" It's not enough to acknowledge that He was a good, historical teacher of morality because a good teacher would not have said the things He said but would have been either declared to be a liar (which the Pharisees said He was) or a lunatic (which the rationalistic Sadducees said He was) or Lord. He obviously existed because there is no other explanation for the quick growth and expansion of Christianity without the Jews or Romans easily strangling it in the cradle. So, given that He existed, it is up to each person to read what He said and decide for themselves WHO this man Jesus was and is, a liar, a lunatic, or Lord.
Barton is not commited to accurately portraying the relgious beliefs of the founding fathers unless they fall more closely in line to his own.
Huh, interesting. Even though I´m German and I didn´t know anything about the Jefferson Bible(s) (both versions) and also I´m an atheist - but that was very interesting.
Plus I knew that Ben Shapiro is a great speaker and thinker. Now I know he´s also very good at listening. But I shouldn´t be surprised. In this segment it appears he has very good patience to listen. Not many people have that. Ben speaks very fast, but that is only because he´s thinking very fast. He doesn´t want to silence people by speaking so fast.
Long story short: I like this video and I like the way Ben was listening. Because I didn´t know before that he was that good at listening.
Explain fulfilled prophecy, the E.U. , and the return of the Jews from the 4 "corners " of the earth...Bad investment.
In public school they told us Jefferson cut Jesus out of the Bible. Great job tax money.
You love these: *Romans 1:1* "Paul, a _bondservant_ of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God."
*Ephesians 6:5-7* _"SLAVES,_ obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as *SLAVES* of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.”
*Revelation 2:16* “Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the SWORD of my mouth.”
*Matthew 10:34-35* “Do NOT suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a *SWORD.* For I have come to turn a man _against_ his father, a daughter *against* her mother, a daughter-in-law AGAINST her mother-in-law."
*Luke 14:26* “If anyone comes to me and does not *HATE* their father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters - yes, even their own life - such a person can NOT be my disciple."
After watching this I went searching for a copy of the 1804 Bible. As I found out, no copies exist...How can he tell people to read something that no longer exists? And how can he profess to know what is/was in it? When it does not exist and apparently disappeared around 1858 per Monticello.org?
7:58 finally admits the truth
💯. The guy could've saved a lot of time by simply telling the truth from the start.
Isn't Thomas Jefferson book called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth?
He just said that
Yeah. Most of the modern historians frame Jefferson as a Deist who believed Jesus to be a moral figure, rather than a religious one, due to the very claims about the Jefferson Bible cutting out all of the miracles. Its disconcerting that I was assigned an academic book for one of my classes just last semester that continued to forward this claim, which David Barton here counters. I will need to follow up on David Barton's claims and look at the primary sources, but, he is hardly wrong on scholars simply citing each other rather than the source material, especially when they begin to go down historiographical rabbit holes. I wrote an entire paper on a topic that suffered from such a rabbit hole, actually.
If your really look at it Auren the liberal historians are trying to remove Jesus and God from not only American history but all history.
Jack MeOff If you actually watched the video you'd know that he said that.
@@jackmeoff8953 I will definitely attest that some of them are doing this, yes. But, I would not place a blanket over all of them saying as such. There are a few decent ones out there that will, perhaps in their words, "give the devil his due" when it comes to religion, etc. They are becoming fewer and fewer, however, which is a major concern.
1. The Declaration of Independence is NOT a legally binding document. The Constitution was written 11 years after and the Articles of Confederation were written in between. The groups of signers were different and there is no evidence that any of the founders said you could not separate the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence. They are, in fact, two different documents, one of which is not legally binding. It has nothing to do with how much "faith" is in either one.
2. Jefferson rejected the notion of the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. He rejected Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement, and original sin (believing that God could not fault or condemn all humanity for the sins of others, a gross injustice). This is confirmed in his own words.
3. Article 7 of the Constitution has to do with ratification of the Constitution. There is no mention of the Declaration of Independence in Article 7. In fact, it reads, simply, "The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same"
4. There is no evidence that The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth (the first Jefferson Bible) was distributed to the Indians or any missionary.. In fact, there is some evidence that the Indians referred to by Jefferson were actually Federalists who questioned his Christianity.
5. The sermon by Bennet referenced by Barton doesn’t mention native Americans. It does extol the moral teachings of Jesus but does not exhort readers to present only the simple moral teachings of Jesus to native Americans. --> wthrockmorton.com/2016/02/16/how-did-thomas-jefferson-come-up-with-the-idea-to-cut-up-the-gospels/
6. Barton could not have read the 1804 version, known as The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, because all that remains of it is a table with references to Bible verses. While Barton did not state that he read it, he implied by asking others if they had read it. wthrockmorton.com/2012/05/14/what-did-jefferson-include-in-his-edited-gospels-aka-the-jefferson-bible/
7. The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth was purchased for $400 by Cyrus Adler from Jefferson's great-grandaughter, Carolina Ramsey Randolph, not a grandson. it was purchased in 1892 while Adler was at the Smithsonian, not the Library of Congress. Most of this information was found at monticello.org or the web site of the Smithsonian. I don’t understand how someone can call themselves an historian and apparently disregard accuracy, but Barton certainly appears to do just that.
Thank you for having David on! It drives me nuts that he doesn’t receive the views he deserves...
Well, unfortunately, though not surprisingly, this is one of those videos leftists hope you'll never see. They will crap themselves if more people became informed by this video, so that their arguments of Thomas Jefferson being a "deist" will begin to lose their effect!
@@Gozoman24 You missed the point of this conversation. Stop hating people just because they may not agree with you politically or for any other reason. Love is the answer. That's the point. Jefferson WAS a deist. He loved God and followed the teachings of Christ in his daily life. How about YOU try doing that each day!?
@@remixandkaraoke Guess who's my judge? The Only Begotten Son!
Guess who's not my judge? YOU! Many others too!
But I suspect you don't know what the definition of a deist is anyway- unless I was just misinformed about the definition.
@@remixandkaraoke Jefferson said he was a Christian in a letter. A few things a Diest doesn't do is go to church, pray and read the Bible. Jefferson did all three. Jefferson was known to go to multiple denominations churches. Diests believe in a Creator who is silent and just observes. There would be no point for a diest to do any of the above mentioned. The claim about the Founders being deists is just another attempt to remove Christianity from our Founding and public life by the left.
It's not about different politics it's about the left flat out lies and omits facts to push their agenda.
@@remixandkaraoke as you were saying?
I never knew the truth about this topic until today. Great video!
Then u still dont
How do you know it's the truth
It's not, David Barton is a total pseudo-historian who invents quotes and writes bullshit based on his evangelical propaganda. Look into his background.
@@weefeatures What was invented here?
Truth without facts is only an opinion. There's lots of opinion going on here.
Nothing factual, just preaching.
Yeah. Most of the modern historians frame Jefferson as a Deist who believed Jesus to be a moral figure, rather than a religious one, due to the very claims about the Jefferson Bible cutting out all of the miracles. Its disconcerting that I was assigned an academic book for one of my classes just last semester that continued to forward this claim, which David Barton here counters. I will need to follow up on David Barton's claims and look at the primary sources, but, he is hardly wrong on scholars simply citing each other rather than the source material, especially when they begin to go down historiographical rabbit holes. I wrote an entire paper on a topic that suffered from such a rabbit hole, actually.
Jefferson was a theist and he believed in God, but he certainly did not believe that Jesus was divine, and he did not consider himself a Christian in the sense that most of us would. He also believed that the Gospels were corruptions of Jesus true teachings. The miracles were part of the books that he rejected.
"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills." - Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, January 24, 1814
VCR Time Machine
He did not officially reject those things his entire life, only in the last few years of his life (hence your letters from 1814 and on far after the founding of the nation and even his presidency).
Consider these statements by Jefferson and how right wing religious extremist he would appear today for saying such things:
“The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example.”
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever…”
He recommended that the Great Seal of our nation be modeled after a Biblical account depicting the "children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night" and include the word "God" on it.
(So much for him rejecting miracles...)
In his official government role, he also did the following:
He negotiated treaties with the Indians where he included direct FEDERAL funding of Christian missionaries which was then ratified by Congress.
He ended his LEGAL documents as a government official (including U.S. President) with "In the year of our Lord Christ" adding the word “Christ” to the commonly used phrase.
He started the use of the United States Capitol Building (home of Congress) as a church building when he was President of the Senate.
He attended church in the Capitol for 8 years as a sitting U.S. President.
He ordered the Marine Corp band to play for worship services in the Capitol building.
Ironically, though he is often cited for keeping the influence of the church out of the government, rather than keeping the church out of government, Thomas Jefferson LITERALLY put the church in the government when he approved church services being held in the United States Capitol Building.
In the letter to the Danbury Baptist’s where Jefferson makes the statement, “separation of church and state,” he ends that letter in what many today would erroneously call a violation of the First Amendment saying, "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man..."
The fact is, though he is one of the least religious founding fathers, he would be considered a religious extremist in today’s climate. The
@@jlrapid So perhaps the correct answer is recognition of the two: people change, and as with Thomas Jefferson, he held beliefs earlier in his life that perhaps, if we cannot attribute such a shift to senility, he eventually abandoned. Perhaps that is what people should be highlighting, rather than trying to say he was firmly one or firmly the other.
Moral of the story: never judge Jefferson until you know both sides of verifiable story line.
That goes for everybody 💯
Fascinating!!!
The Constitution is fundamental law. The Declaration is an announcement to Europe giving our reasons as to why we are establishing a federal republic. It does not now nor has it ever had any authority of law.
It's one of our Founding Documents that states our rights come from God
Jefferson stated explicitly that there ought to be a "wall of seperation" between church and state. That religion is between "man and god' and "should never enter the halls of congress" So you are wrong benny boy.
Why does Shapiro deny Christ?
Regardless of whether or not his project contained the supernatural stories, doesn't mean either of the books are true.
A little late, but I have one small correction: in 1886 Jefferson had no living grandsons, only a granddaughter who died the next year. His last living grandson died in 1881. I believe when he said grandson in the video at 5:07, he meant great-grandson or great-great-grandson. Not very important, just wanted to point that out.
This is a very important point because it also debunks the Sally Hemmings myth that Jefferson had a sexual relationship with her. It now appears that his profligate younger brother Randolph Jefferson was who impregnated her and NOT Thomas.
Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. I’ve read the Jefferson bible. He believed in the message Jesus was preaching but he clearly did not believe Jesus was the messiah or the son of god. He did not bother with making a point to tell people his beliefs nor did he worry about what others believed in. Yes, his spirituality evolved and changed over his lifetime. Quit trying to force Jefferson into a box. No one has EVER said he hated the Bible, he strongly believed in a creator but he also strongly believed no one should be forced to believe in one religion and that we shouldn’t worry about what our neighbor believes.
Exactly, he was a deist at most. This David Barton is completely reliant on people never reading either Jefferson Bibles to peddle his evangelical propaganda.
I agree, David Barton's line of thinking is completely asinine! I am an atheist yet my family still attends church (my wife wants to go). My kids attend Sunday school and we have several bibles in our home. That doesn't make me a Christian. He is glossing over the many quotes and letters Jefferson has made on the subject of Christianity and its role with in our government. To say the least he thought it dangerous and that it had no place in a truly free government. Jefferson, like many of the founding fathers, was a deist at best.
Wow! This was SO informative! I'm gonna start listening to David Barton from now on!
Barton's official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues".[32] Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[8][9][10][11] According to the New York Times, "Many professional historians dismiss Mr. Barton, whose academic degree is in Christian Education from Oral Roberts University, as a biased amateur who cherry-picks quotes from history and the Bible."[7] Barton's 2012 book The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[33] The book's publisher, Christian publishing house Thomas Nelson, disavowed the book and withdrew it from sale. A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."
@@Achromaticdj Wow! This was SO informative! I'm gonna start listening to -David Barton- Achromatic from now on!
@@Achromaticdj You went full Wikipedia. Never go full Wikipedia
I wouldn't. He's not telling the truth. He's telling a story he wants to be true.
@@M240D Click the citation links if you conveniently dismiss Wikipedia.
It’s a little funny because he’s talking to someone who doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ.
Right Jefferson was a luciferin member of the illuminati elite. Completely anti God or man's idea of self perfection with out god
@@vernontoews1982 what?
@Jhonny Un poco loco Bravo not sure I have studied many sources
@Jhonny Un poco loco Bravo Duh. He was a mason.
Jew's have been made blind by other Jews since the beginning.
Barton is wrong. Jefferson was no Christian. Jefferson liked the "moral" teachings of Jesus, but Jesus did not come to be a "moral teacher" for mankind. He came to be the perfect, sinless Lamb of God who took away the sins of the World and who died for our sins, and rose for our justification. If you do not believe in the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus, then you do not believe in Jesus and are not a Christian.
And why is that exactly?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident.
{Franklin's edit to the assertion in Thomas Jefferson's original wording, 'We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable' in a draft of the Declaration of Independence changes it instead into an assertion of rationality. The scientific mind of Franklin drew on the scientific determinism of Isaac Newton and the analytic empiricism of David Hume and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. In what became known as 'Hume's Fork' the latters' theory distinguished between synthetic truths that describe matters of fact, and analytic truths that are self-evident by virtue of reason and definition.}”
Jefferson was no Diest. He had a high view of Christian, religious morality.
Only one problem Jefferson didn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God. And in the moral teachings of Jesus there is no miraculous birth or resurrection.
Deuteronomy, proverbs and Revelation all state, do not add to or TAKE AWAY from the Word of God. It's wrong, it doesn't matter if you happen to be Thomas Jefferson
Well he's not the 1st or the last to change or ad to the word of God. Infact its been done So many times its hard to know what the word actually was. And what was put in to help control minds& hearts of a broke, hungry, & desperate population.
@@shaunlowe5108 that's what Satan has and still is doing to the "poor" and "broke" and "desperate" . I might add the the so called "wise" and "Well to do". The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts align almost word for word with the King James Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls discovery prove that along with 100's of 1 century copies, all align .i suppose your looking for a convenient excuse to disregard, but guess what? That will not change your future, only Jesus Christ can. Skeptic eh? You have a glaring prophecy staring at you everyday in the state of Israel. Went out of existence 2k years ago, language even died, people dispersed, and came back as a nation as told so in Ezekiel 37. BTW that has never been done in the history of the world. The Word of God changed me. I was a foul mouth, drug abusing, fornicater. (That's one of those poor, broke, and desperate you spoke of, but not monetarily I might add) I put my faith in the Lord and He Took those destructive behaviors out of my life and I desire them no more
In order for one to hold this position one must ignore the letter sent to Adam's in 1822 and 1823. "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter " This is why he modified the bible, he thought the miracles and fantastic events took away from the good morale code found within it. Dont take my word for it, Notes of the State of Virginia and all his letters to Adam's are available on the web.
@Paula Wallace Are you telling me or Thomas Jefferson?
@Paula Wallace Absolute horsehit.
@Paula Wallace The Hebrews had no word for virgin, but the word for maiden (unmarried woman) was considered to be synonymous with a virgin; otherwise, the woman could be stoned to death. Semantics, very deceptive semantics. I don't like deceivers.
@Paula Wallace girl you're trippin'.All these ridiculous talking points have been debunked ad nauseum by bible scholars,even atheists ones.
Go get a life aight?
@Paula Wallace Bitch you're crazy get the hell out of here.
these are some incredible apologetics. amazin
What did Thomas Jefferson write about the Evangelist Paul? What did he write about Mark, Matthew, Luke and John? Why are those writings of Jefferson not mentioned in this video? Because he called them rouges, imposters and the first corruptors of Jesus. Jefferson liked Jesus He did not like Paul.
The Bible clearly warns never to remove or add to any word of the living God. When you add or remove you create a world of lies in which you live in and pull others into, causing a spiral towards confusion and chaos. Many cults do this.
Amazing, thank you so much for sharing this.
Thanks for sharing this piece of history.
Lol having this hack on? C’mon. Dude literally made up everything in his book about Jefferson.
The primary take away is Jefferson rejected the teachings of the "apsotle" Paul. A fact which this guy would surely know..
He also said "I do not believe in the supernatural, in God, Angels, or Spirits. I am a sect of my own". So he was not christian in the way you are thinking.
This is just false. He clearly believed in God. He was not an atheist, that's one thing we actually know for sure.
The Holy Bible is a complete teaching. No one can understand the words of Jesus without first understanding the teachings of Moses and the Prophets, for they all come from the same divine Source, which is the very mouth of God Himself. To eliminate any portion of the Holy Scriptures, no matter how seemingly insignificant, is to dim the light of understanding which the human mind can obtain from studying the written Word of God. Ask yourself this: How were the teachings of Jesus disseminated among the Faithful prior to the writing of the New Testament (A.D. 50-100) and the compilation of these manuscripts into the form we have today (A.D. 390-410)? Who was chosen by God to determine the Books of the New Testament which we hold today were inspired Scripture to the exclusion of all others (and there were thousands)? What forensic test can one apply to a manuscript to establish it's divine inspiration? How is it possible to determine what the original manuscripts said in spite of so many copyists' errors? I do not ask these questions to undermine the veracity of the most Sacred Scriptures. Rather, I ask these questions to make it plain that the Holy Scriptures cannot stand alone, that something else is needed, namely, the authentic Apostolic teaching which Jesus imparted to the Twelve, and then sent them out into the world to proclaim. Where is this authentic Apostolic teaching to be found today?
" Which is the very mouth of God "
prove it, prove any of it. Come on give it the ol' college try.
@@jjosephs6521 There is no proof, as in scientific proof. It is purely a matter of faith. I know the Scriptures contained in Saint Jerome's Latin Vulgate are the inspired Word of God to the exclusion of all others because the Holy Catholic Church said so when She established the Canon using Her divine authority in A.D. 405. Otherwise, there is no way to differentiate them from similar writings of the same time period.
I love Thomas Jefferson. An amazing man.
He fucked his relatives, you gotta love that!
he's my grandaddy
David knows best! 💥✌️
“The thing that helps you have limited government is having moral people”
Does anyone know where I can find this direct quote? Like a book, website, document? This is really good
A land in rebellion has many rulers, but a man of understanding and knowledge maintains order.
Proverbs 28:2
6:45 here's your explanation:
"Religion is well supported; of various kinds, indeed, but all good enough; all sufficient to preserve peace and order..."
"All sufficient to preserve peace and order"... religion was a means to an end for Jefferson. He promoted the bible because it provides peace and order to a society. That's it. Doesn't care what kind of religion it is as long as it stabilizes the society.
I love it when history is laid out correctly. The truth stands
Really good explanation. Jefferson definitely loved Bible. He was a teacher.
This is amazing. Thank you got David on!
No one knows the truth but David Barton and the Catholic church in Jehovah Witness and the Mormon church and David Bardem wow what a relief
I could listen to Mr. Barton all day.
Who ever said Jefferson "...so hated the Bible"? He is arguing against a straw man. The fact is that Jefferson was a rationalist and did not believe in much if any of the fantastical elements in the Bible. If Barton is implying otherwise than he is a liar
Barton said he didn't think Jefferson was a Christian
Wait what?? 2:22. "They might read the genealogy...and that's not what you want" Why not? Were they afraid the Natives would realize they too descended from Adam and Eve?
They would know they are Jews
I do not recall ever hearing on President Jefferson's Bible. Will be ordering a copy from Amazon.
He basically cut and pasted out the parts he did not particular care for is my understanding.
I looked this up after news reports of Thomas Jefferson Statue being removed.
The problem is your not supposed to take away from or add to his word. Thats why this book Jefferson book is useless.
Ridiculous religious attitude.
It's not intended to be a Bible, so the rule on "taking away" does not apply. (Duh)
It does when people think its a Bible as well as hand it out to be taught as God's words.
So long story short, Jefferson didn’t try to change the Bible, rather he just took what he believed were the best teachings of the Bible and used those for a specific purpose. Perhaps the name “Jefferson Bible” (which wasn’t used by Jefferson himself) is misleading to people who are uninformed about it.
It was used by Jefferson.
Change title to "Every high school rumor explained"
Thomas Jefferson never even signed the U.S. Constitution because he was overseas in Europe. So, this means you won't find the words separation of church and State in the U.S. Constitution. 😊
Your right it says-[N]either can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against non-believers, and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.”
@@memphisjohnnyminnesota8049, 2 days after President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist he attended a church service in the United States Capitol to hear a sermon and had even called in the U.S. Marines to be the worship band.
Two great men that logically believe God is real.
"logically" believe God is real .....
Hmmm
“logically believe god is real.” Hmm I think this is an oxymoron
@@2287rna elaborate
@@steggyweggy elaborate
@@HerveyShmervy there is no logical argument that leads to the belief in God that does not suffer from some sort of fallacy or error of some kind. William Lane Craig’s idea of God isn’t even coherent in the first place. Ben’s probably isn’t either but I’ve never heard him define it before
Fascinating! Jefferson is one of my favorites.
He fucked his relatives... -_-
What we have to remember is that the united states of America is not a group project. The USA that everyone knows but we forgot is that it belongs to every single living creature that lives and thrives within its borders
Extremely knowledgeable. Blows my mind. Wish history teachers these days were this knowledgeable about American history.
Me too man.
Yeah, so much truth is lost to idiocy today!
@islanti mine does ;)
Can somebody send a link to the 1804 edition? All I can find is the 1820 version.
Barton is right that Jefferson was not an atheist, that he had great respect for the Bible, and that what is today known as "The Jefferson Bible" is made from two parts.
Barton is wrong that Jefferson was not a deist. He was. He thought that Jesus was the greatest moral teacher who ever lived but did not believe in the Trinity, the deity of Jesus, the miracles, or Paul's theology of salvation. Yes, you can cherry pick words and phrases that make Jefferson seem to be an orthodox Christian but only by ignoring an avalanche of other material. He believed that Jesus' true message had been embellished and corrupted over time.
"The Jefferson Bible" (a term he never knew) was never intended for use to teach the Indians or anybody else. These writings were from his private devotions as he was working through his own religious views and he would be horrified to know that they have been made public. Even his own family did not know they existed until after he died.
Jefferson would not have been a Deist either. A Deist believes in a Creator God who observes and is not involved. They would not go to church or pray. Jefferson did both.
Jefferson also believed good deeds were the way to salvation a Deist would not believe that.The claim about the Founders being deists is just lazy history pushed by the left with a secular agenda behind it
Jefferson also in his own hand says "I am a Christian" in a letter.
He followed the Christian Enlightenment philosophers -Locke Montesquieu and Blackstone.
@@godssara6758 Saying that "The Founders were Christians" or "The Founders were Diests" (or anything else) is using too broad of a brush. You can say that they were all deeply steeped in the Judeo-Christian tradition and that they were familiar with the Bible, etc., and that much is true, but beyond that you have to talk about them as individuals.
Some were traditional Christians as we would understand it today (Patrick Henry, John Jay), others like Thomas Paine were far from it, and Jefferson is particularly complicated. Yes, he went to church but that doesn't make him a "Christian." They all went to church on occasion. You had to to hold elected office.
Jefferson did not believe in the resurrection, or the miracles, or the Trinity. He edited all references of those things out of his own Bible --and by that I mean literally taking a razor blade and cutting those passages out. (Not sure in what sense you can be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection.)
But he was not an atheist either. He believed in a Creator who set the universe in motion.
Everyone from evangelicals to atheists all want to claim Jefferson and mold him into their own worldview but we need to allow Jefferson to be Jefferson. There are some good books out there on his religious views if you are really interested.
@@dentonflorian7405bro you literally called him a deist, lol. So is that too broad of a stroke or not??
@@toeknee5565 : I said making sweeping statements like “The Founders were all Christians” or “The Founders were all deists” was too broad and that they had to be taken as individuals. In Jefferson’s case, yes, he was a deist.
Leaving aside the questionable credibilty of Barton whose book on Jefferson was pulled by the publisher, Jefferson rejected the Trinity & Jesus’ divinity, Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement &original sin. So, I'm going to have to disagree w Barton on this one...:-)
He was arguing for Jefferson’s appreciation of the Bible as a whole, not his Christian beliefs. I guess you selectively listened to him?
He did not officially reject those things his entire life, only in the last few years of his life.
Consider these statements by Jefferson and how right wing religious extremist he would appear today for saying such things:
“The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example.”
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever…”
He recommended that the Great Seal of our nation be modeled after a Biblical account depicting the "children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night" and include the word "God" on it.
(So much for him rejecting miracles...)
In his official government role, he also did the following:
He negotiated treaties with the Indians where he included direct FEDERAL funding of Christian missionaries which was then ratified by Congress.
He ended his LEGAL documents as a government official (including U.S. President) with "In the year of our Lord Christ" adding the word “Christ” to the commonly used phrase.
He started the use of the United States Capitol Building (home of Congress) as a church building when he was President of the Senate.
He attended church in the Capitol for 8 years as a sitting U.S. President.
He ordered the Marine Corp band to play for worship services in the Capitol building.
Ironically, though he is often cited for keeping the influence of the church out of the government, rather than keeping the church out of government, Thomas Jefferson LITERALLY put the church in the government when he approved church services being held in the United States Capitol Building.
In the letter to the Danbury Baptist’s where Jefferson makes the statement, “separation of church and state,” he ends that letter in what many today would erroneously call a violation of the First Amendment saying, "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man..."
The fact is, though he is one of the least religious founding fathers, he would be considered a religious extremist in today’s climate.
Thomas Jefferson picked and chose the things he liked and what he didnt like he dumped.
I actually have a copy of this, it’s very short and doesn’t read very well.
The statement that no login violate the declaration of independence is something that I wish but unfortunately, it’s not
Very special 1 heretic talking to another about a third heretic called Thomas Jefferson who plain and simple did not believe in the deity of Christ along with his buddy Thomas Paine or George Washington or probably the other buddies at all hung around them at the same time but they did believe in [Adam Weishaupt]
Jefferson's Manual, congress is required to follow!
Or else zap mind erase
I found it weird how some people can cut up their own Holy Book to fit their own narrative. Isn't the Bible supposed to be the Qur'an version for the Christian? The word of the God(s) itself.
PoDH the Quran version??? Uh, no. The Bible came first. The Quran came, I think, a couple thousand years later and is basically a bastardized version of the Bible.
@@BijinMCMXC
No I mean as a Holy Book. Like if you're a Muslim, your Holy Book is the Qur'an. While if you're a Christian, your Holy Book is the Bible.
Paula Wallace That’s not true because in Christianity, Jesus is considered a part of “God” (which is considered to have 3 parts - the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit). He is worshipped as part of God, not as the human he also was (again, complicated).
That is why Barton said Jefferson wasn't an orthodox christian.
We are so busy trying to finish God off in our soulless post modern desperation that very few know God and can understand great men and women of God from the past.
Why Indians reading biblical genealogies would be a bad thing?
Jefferson: The first red letter edition
You cannot add or subtract period... Don’t care his ‘motive’ he was cursed according to scripture
have you ever sat down and read scripture and taking notes on that scripture so that it can help you or someone else? Then I guess you are cursed as well.
Are commentaries and commentators cursed as well??
Wow... Imagine what our government would be like if they still distributed Jefferson's "Bible" to Congress.
Too bad Jefferson's Bible removed the key to spiritual rebirth. Living by a list of Biblical morals may well be better than where they are at now.Satans victory comes by watering down the truth and blinding us to a better life. On false teaching, churches etc. Satan will offer you a hundred truths so to fool you with just one lie. Many have come in my name,
. Do not believe them
Vernon Toews ah yes the same Biblical morals that say you can own slaves.
@@steggyweggy us Christians follow the new testament only .no slaves. The old testament is used as a reference point to show life in the period known as the age of law. The new testament is our life also many Democrats owned slaves. History shows no Republican ever owned slaves
@@steggyweggy Satan has an evil double for everything and is intended to distort and water down the truth.Jefferson's Bible should be avoided like ebola
Vernon Toews I’m gonna call bullshit on the no republicans owned slaves.
Christians do follow the Old Testament. Otherwise why hold the Ten Commandments to such a high standard and want to suppress gay rights. Without the Old Testament the New Testament doesn’t matter. Besides even if you don’t follow the old law it is still the same terrible god that commanded that law that you follow.
Also the devil doesn’t exist. There is much evidence for how the devil and hell are things that evolved over time in the religion of Christianity.
There is a value on focusing on just Jesus' teaching without all the miracles and supernatural events because it helps you to focus on what his teachings are, rather than the miracles and supernatural events; however, it is not meant to dismiss them per se but to focus on his teachings and not be distracted by them. So many Christian thinkers have interpreted what we are to believe. This way you can decide for yourself what his mission was. Jefferson considered the self-proclaimed Apostle Paul to be the first one to corrupt his teachings. What mainstream Christian believe is Paul's interpretation of Jesus' mission was. Read for yourself and don't let others, with their dubious "visions", tell you what his mission was.
Jefferson wrote that “Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God.” He called the writers of the New Testament “ignorant, unlettered men” who produced “superstitions, fanaticisms, and fabrications.” He called the Apostle Paul the “first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” He dismissed the concept of the Trinity as “mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” He believed that the clergy used religion as a “mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves” and that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.” And he wrote in a letter to John Adams that “the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2012/features/the-bible-according-to-thomas-jefferson
Cutting out the Bible 💥 modernism
I’ve been lied to about Jefferson.
He fcked his sister :)
David Barton said that Jesus twice condemns America's capital gains tax. So I'm disinclined to trust him.
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's " Some Jewish carpenter in 33AD
What bears the image of Caesar and what bears the image of God?
@@LeviPaladin Mankind bears the image of God. In other words, give to the secular authorities the things that are owed to them and give yourself to God.
@@bryanrhoden7052 You're like that helpful big brother who answers questions not posed to him, aren't you? Jesus wasn't playing friend to Caesar when He answered a question meant to ensnare Him. He was answering that everyone, including Caesar belong to Him, not endorsing taxes...but the Pharisees knew that if He answered against Caesar, that the Romans would take Him captive and if He answered for Caesar that the people (who knew that the system of taxation was unjust) would turn against Him.
@@LeviPaladin I apologize. I thought it was a public question. You are correct in your assessment that it was a question to ensnare Him. I was just answering the question on who bears the image of God. If I've offended you, I ask for your forgiveness.
"The thing that helps you have limited government is having moral people."
Oh,,, well so much for _that_ idea. How about a sorta limited one? Can we maybe do that?
Similar to the Wycliffe corporation who publishes bibles in nearly every language in the world. Some cultures with less than 100 words in their language. How do you translate 12,000 or so words into 82? The answer wasn't what I wanted to hear.
Jefferson was a walking contradiction and not intellectually consistent. His ideas were sometimes brilliant and sometimes immoral. He straddled the fence on many issues. This is probably the best way to view his beliefs.
So what you're saying is Jefferson was an imperfect mortal human being....cool.
@@aj12271 no need for snide remark. People, as I am sure you are aware tend to see in black and white on subjects. When viewing historical figures such as the founding fathers many see them as more than just mortal men. As a historian myself I find Jefferson to be an interesting study due to his contradictions in action and thought. If you haven't I recommend some study on him. You won't regret it.
Thank you
If you want to know the truth about Thomas Jefferson's religious views the official Thomas Jefferson Monticello CZcams page put out a very good video on this very subject called "Thomas Jefferson and Religion". All the historical records clearly show Jefferson was in fact a Deist. Yes he was a Christian Diest but he was still a Diest that viewed Jesus as just a human and not divine or as part of the Trinity like a Christian Theist does which is why his political opponents tried to use it against him when he ran for President. Everyone wants to rewrite history whether it's the far left or the far right. I understand the political motivation behind wanting to reject the idea that Jefferson was a Diest but this is wrong. Misleading people or trying to rewrite history is wrong when either side does this crap.
Jefferson absolutely did deny the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Jesus Christ...not just in his Bible version, but also in his own personal letters to John Adams against Trinitarian theology.
Jefferson was a Unitarian with Deist leanings, not a Bible-believing Christian.
I own a copy of the Jefferson Bible and other writings of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson even boasted that no man in his lifetime living in America would die without converting to Unitarianism.
Jefferson didn't hate the Bible, but he didn't believe all of it. He and John Adams both professed Unitarianism, which was a denomination of Christianity at that time that opposed the Trinity.
The denomination of...what?
@@toeknee5565 Unitarianism was considered a denomination of Christianity at that time. It was basically Arianism, similar to Jehovah's Witnesses. Unitarianism today is much different.
I realize it's NOT Christianity in the Biblical and orthodox sense, but it was considered a Christian sect during that time, an unorthodox or liberal Christian sect anyway.
@@saintjeremykjv1611 it is absolutely still considered a branch of Christianity even today.
@@toeknee5565 I think of Unitarian Universalists when I hear about modern Unitarianism. I was unaware that classical Unitarianism even still existed, aside from Jehovah's Witnesses' theology.
As far as orthodoxy goes though, denying the Trinity puts a person out of the Body of Christ and therefore out of Eternal Life.
@@saintjeremykjv1611 none of that disputes the fact that unitarianism is a branch of Christianity
David Barton should be on the Supreme Court.At least, he should be the one arguing constitutional cases at the Supreme Court.
You need to educate Tom Horn and his daughters regarding the second Jefferson Bible.
please explain...
The entire video is Barton defending Jefferson’s faith but then at the end he says he’s probably not. Either you are for or against Christ. It’s not the morals or teachings of Scripture that save but Christ alone.
"That's not my decision. That's God's decision." You seemed to have left out part the context of what he said.
He’s also not defending Jefferson’s faith. He’s clarifying it. He’s not arguing that Jefferson was a born-again Christian. He’s only arguing that Jefferson viewed himself as a Christian and not a Deist.
Not trying to be hostile, but what is this guy's point? Do you have to be Christian to be American in his view? What should America do with people of others beliefs -- religious Jews like Shapiro or agnostics like me? What does it mean to say that America is a Christian nation?
I'm not against Christianity, but I am legitimately curious.
Why the fuck is there so many heat lamps
Sir, did Mr. Jefferson ever say that he accepted Jesus Christ as
GOD?
Age of reasoning?
Thomas Paine
B. Franklin
Adams ect.
Its a fact. He also read the Koran. Its in Library of Congress
David Barton is amazing. He did several videos with Steven Crowder too. Very informative.
“Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson 1820