Son Tinh & Thuy Tinh - The Mountain God vs The Lord of Waters - Vietnamese - Extra Mythology
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Sometimes you have a daughter that's so amazing, even the gods fight for her hand in marriage. Son Tinh, the Mountain God and Thuy Tinh, the River God both want to marry the strong & intelligent My Nuong. The gods are both evenly matched, capable of incredible feats so the emperor poses one last trial. Whoever arrives first the next day with a suitable wedding present will get to marry his daughter. Thuy Tinh may have spent a little too much time picking out presents because by the time he arrives, My Nuong and Son Tinh are long gone. But Thuy Tinh isn't going to give up so easily...
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I mean, at least the Gods are trying to properly win her hand in marriage. Far more classy then Zeus ever was.
Edit: Nevermind. They're trying to kill each other over her. Lovely.
@@zm1694 or burnt into ashe
Because nothing wins the heart of a woman like murdering her husband.
Yet still better then Zeus(disclaimer: Zeus also banged men,cows, trees,anything that didnt move for 2 mins etc)...Yeah Zeus was a hoe...lol
True,
You have a great point.
SO, the real reason Kyogre and Groudon fight
LMAO
If only there was a Rayquaza to settle the fight
Yeah Ruby and Sapphire was built off of that myth. Why Hoenn region is a mix of volcano and sea.
you thought the same thing I was thinking.
Yeah. Now we just gotta hope they don’t go Primal
Vietnamese god: contest of power
Greek god: *A N D A L O N G C AM E Z E U S*
Lmfao
Eh, in Greek case, it more like "and the beauty of the girl make thunderous bang, but it's not from Zeus Lightning."
:3
HE HURLED HIS THUNDERBOLT!
@@ArdenSeccoriAzucar Z A P
@@ArdenSeccoriAzucar more like AND HE HURLED THAT 🍒🍆
*pokemon theme starts playing*
Yesss
@Cool and Smooth Tooth Two god-like Pokémon from the Ruby/Sapphire generation of the series have a cataclysmic earth vs. sea battle like this.
**inhales deeply** ppooookkKKKEEEEMOOOOOAAAHHH!-
I immediately thought of groudon and Kyogre so my only question were rayquaza at
Doooodooo dum dum dum dumb
Im Vietnamese myself i i find this really funny and exciting even though i knew the story by heart since i was a child,so great job guys :D Actually there's one inacurate plot : When the King ( Hùng Vương ) had to decide which one can marry Mị Nương,he give both men an almost impossible challenge : They have to bring,not just fancy gift by morning,but also one 9 tusks Elephant,one 9 heels beautiful Cock,and a great 9 pink mane Horse. This challenge heavily favor Sơn Tinh btw lol cause he's is the God of mountain so he can easily find those creature (Thuy Tinh still managed to find them though so credit to him. )
Also Vietnamese here, with a bit of clarification. The version with the elephant, the cock and the horse is the standard version taught in schools, however many earlier records do not feature this details. I assume that Extra Credits recounted the more historical rendition of the tales, rather than the modern version taught in schools.
the thing is, “voi chín ngà, gà chín cựa, ngựa chín hồng mao” is so conveniently rhymed and metered it kinda feels like a very, very late addition to the tale.
none the less, they deserve a worthy mention.
@@longlethanh7780 Elephant with 9 tusks it's impossible ! So it's kinda IMAGINATIVE!
@@nguyenhoanglong420 isnt Son and Thuy Tinh things already "imaginative" ?
Same
Regular People: I can sing songs and stuff!
Son Tinh & Thuy Tinh: Pathetic
Funny thing, Thuy tinh only lost because he misundertood one of the orders
@disempty101 im vietnamese and lemme tell you this, the king told the 2 gods to bring lavish things that the king wanted not just normal wedding gifts like in the vid, son tinh won cause he understood one of the order (a cooked tail horse; in vietnamese, nine and cooked means the same) and despite being a god, thuy tinh didnt, or couldnt complete the order in time due to misunderstanding the horse one
@@sgs1549 To be honest that is a lame wedding gift.
@@MinhNguyen-pk9qk its a test of knowlege, not of power or magical ability
@@sgs1549 A cooked tail horse is a test knowledge? I'm having difficulty understanding the concept.
Can you imagine being some poor fish or mountain goat, suddenly getting turned into a human soldier by an angry God and being ordered to fight to the death for his waifu???
Well ya that would be funny but just imagine what would happen if the water god got a hold of the king.
yeah, pretty much. The acient people every where were quite creative
imagine he could have turn them into waifu and avoid the war
@@MinhM90718 THAT'S GENIUS
Why would a god want to marry a mortal, you ask?
Greek Mythology: >.>
nah, Zeus only just want the bang, look at Hera's status is never threatened.
Norse mythology
Loki: Do horses count as mortals?
Greek Mythology: What’s this consent thing you lot are up to?
>_>
See, gods can be simps too.
Zeus: *sweats profusely*
"Who was that?"
"Dunno. Must be a god."
"How do you know?"
"He's got...things connecting his hands to his shoulders."
And this weird pointy blob in the middle of his face ...?
This woman was literally about to marry useful Aquaman.
Jason Momoa is sad at this comment 😝
And not a horny zeus
@@hiimryan2388 lmao
lol
“Useful Aquaman” is so different from the comic books and movies that you can create an entire new multiverse.
I love those myths that explain natural events
Me too
As much as I love the Vietnamese Myth being featured here, this story misses a crucial part which is the offerings. The king is heavily on Son Tinh side, but he wants to make it seem like a fair context. So, the offerings he wants are: a pair of 9-tusk elephants, a pair of 9-spur chickens, a pair of 9-mane horses, all of them can only be found on land. So, Thuy Tinh takes way more time to look for the offerings than Son Tinh does and he loses.
EXACTLY
I was hyped that Vietnam was in Civ 6 and now this is here
I can already hear the music
Aww yeah, baby!
Same
Now im more interested than ever in Vietnamese culture
@@johnny_boi5456 ETHNIC ASIA ! King of ASIA VILLAGE !
I have to add this into the story since the challenged gifts are really iconic: 100 glutinous rice board, 100 nệp bánh chưng (aka banh chung), nine-ivory elephant, nine-spur rooster and horse with nine groups of mane hair, each bring a pair... As you can see, these are foods and animals of the land... The king have favored Sơn Tinh over Thuỷ Tinh, that’s why Thuỷ Tinh lost Mị Nương :(( Hence, reacted reasonably, I would have done the same!!
Note: the phrase: Voi chín ngà, gà chín cựa, ngựa chín hồng mao... not just rhyme but could also be understood as “mature” creature; as they used “chín” = number nine (counting number) or mature (ripe for fruit). As one of my reply also point out, beside other mythical animals, nine-spur rooster is a thing. Shout out to my replier!!
Ông ơi, voi chín ngà, gà chín cựa với ngụa chín hồng mao là ám chỉ rằng là mấy con này đã trưởng thành chứ ko phải chín ngà, chín cựa, chín hồng mao đâu
How big is a glutinous rice board?
@@baabaaer /very. we loooove glutinous rice
@@JustANormalOne gả chín cựa là giống có thật đấy ông , còn 2 con còn lại chắc cho vần thôi
vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A0_ch%C3%ADn_c%E1%BB%B1a
@@JustANormalOne thật ra, điều đó tạo nên yếu tố kì ảo cho câu chuyện, vốn dĩ nó có 2 nghĩa vì cách sắp xếp từ ngữ vốn dĩ khó bề tránh khỏi nhầm lẫn. Nên bổ sung của ông cũng đúng và tui cảm kích rất nhiều!! Tại hạ học được thêm những điều mới hôm nay. Đa tạ đa tạ :))))
Honestly, I am DAMN glad both of these gods got some more recognition in the West, especially the States(I mean the Vietnamese mythology is something of a hidden gem).
IT"S NOTHING HIDDEN ! IT"S JUST A GOOD STORY TO TEACH HUMANS THAT ALWAYS PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST OCEAN SUCH AS TIDAL WAVE
this channel is a hidden gem
Add the fact they inspired Groundon and Kyogre in the Pokémon series, it would be likely if they were in a region based on Vietnam, regional variants or not.
This is symbolic fight of water over land. How a river or glacier once part of ocean continously carve out part of mountains. You can see this every monsoon in the landslides caused by massive rains every summer. For mountain its a loosing battle. That princess should have been handed over to ocean.
alright team Aqua
Mhm
Ok, we know now this is Thuy Tin in disguise.
don't be salty, Groudon is obviously the winner in this fight.
Yea and water is super effective on ground and fire
thank you guys for covering vietnamese myth
So, why'd you choose Son Tinh? Free real estate?
@@renderererer3572 Simply!! Because Thuy Tinh brings the offering later than Son Tinh, so the Princess didn't choose him.
Yeah
@@johnny_boi5456 the only thing that i find missing from the myth is the special wedding gift that both suitor have to find which included : nine-tusk elephant, a nine-spur cockerel, and a nine-mane horse.
@@MinhHoang-po2sx it's too much imaginative !
"It's over Thủy Tinh, I have the high ground"
Thuy Tinh: You've underestimated my power!
Son Tihn: Don’t try it!
This was kinda different from what I was taught at school lol
This story mainly indicates the power of Vietnamese people against natural disasters. Son Tinh, The Mountain God, represents the people living on the lands and mountains. While Son Tinh, The Lord of Waters, represents disasters such as: floods, hurricanes, tornados, landslide, etc.. Every year, Son Tinh returned to steal My Nuong, as every year, natural disasters came, causing floods and storms, making people suffer as they lost their family and friends. Yet in the end, Son Tinh always won. It was the undefeatable power of our people, our pride. We fight, fight and fight. Vietnamese people never gave up nor surrender to disasters Son Tinh has caused.
That was the true meaning behind our Vietnamese myth, The Mountain God vs The Lord of Waters.
Humans need water too
Did this inspire the Pokemon Groudon and Kyogre!? If so, COOOOOOL!!!!
probably , but Rayquaza look like kukulkan in power and element (in fack smite made a pokemon skin for im)
*Water Lord shows obvious superiority over Mountain God*
King: Hmm they're both so equal
Water Lord: bruh
it depend on the specific telling , usually both of them are supposed to have equal strength,in some version Thuy Tinh rise water first , but Son Tinh rise land higher than the water level and vice versa
@@LongNguyen-oj2ji IT"S A MYTH ! A STORY ABOUT EARTH VS WATER !
I love the range of myths that this series covers.
You know I must say. Despite being jerks these two are still better than Zeus and Poseidon.
True
Just imagine being a princess that has cool talents and you see two gods fighting over you-
Son Tinh & Thuy Tinh are like the zeuses (is that the plural for zeus?) of their religion. They see an attractive princess are are like "Yes. that one."
At least they didn't kidnap her on the spot but instead try to impress her and fighting over her
Zeus is a philanderer. These gods only wanted one woman
Zeusi? Zeese?
Fyi: the channel miss some parts of the myth, the king actually asked for a set of wedding gifts which only Son Tinh can afford. Personally, it’s actually make the myth better for me, but being textbook accurate is just as good.
SHHH ! THE KING DECISION IS EQUAL !
@@nguyenhoanglong420 Is this sarcasm or you do really think it’s equal?
this is about perseverance(dam building): Thuy Tinh is the flood every year & Son Tinh is human building the dam to stop it
Vietnam be like: oh you think you have some cool gods well guess what we have some cool gods too.
To be honest we have a boring folklore. I mean when is the last time there was a story about the vietnamese Gods going to war or fought an overpowered monster? We got a story about the thunder god getting his ass kicked by a couple of animals.
@@MinhNguyen-pk9qk And that's not interesting to you? What about the 4 immortals? (St.Giong, Son Tinh, Chu Dong Tu, Lieu Hanh Princess). What about Thach Sanh ?. His story is very similar to Perseus, slaying monster and shiat.
Glad to see you guys covering Vietnamese mythology. We have a lot of great myths that I hope you will cover someday. In one version I've heard, and its not one commonly told, but Thủy Tinh and Sơn Tinh are said to be brothers, two of 100 children born to the mountain goddess Âu Cơ, and her husband the sea dragon god, Lạc Long Quân. You could say their parents' story is our famous creation myth. Âu Cơ was said to be banished from the heaven because she tasted the earth. After being rescued by Lạc Long Quân, who emerged from the sea searching for adventures, from a giant eagle, they fell in love and married. Being magical, the goddess gave birth to a large egg sac containing 100 children, said the be the first Vietnamese people, or the founder of the first 100 surnames that still exists today, whichever way you want to interpret it. But after a while, each parent misses their mountain and sea realms and decided to split up, each taking 50 children with them. Basically, they created the first divorce. Hearing this version, I'm guessing Sơn Tinh went with mom and 49 other siblings to the mountains and Thủy Tinh went to the sea with dad and the other 49 kids and didn't clash together until they try to marry Mỵ Nương.
Aside from this, Sơn Tinh is said to be one of the Four Immortals, powerful and famous gods of Vietnam. The other three are reincarnated to earth as demigods, including Thánh Gióng, the boy who grew quickly into a man and rode a fire-breathing metal horse to battle against invaders; Chử Đồng Tử who reincarnated as a fisherman so dirt poor, that he had to share a loincloth with his father until his father's death, but he did ended up marrying a princess like Sơn Tinh (the details of how they met is kinda hilarious); and perhaps the most famous is Princess Liễu Hạnh, the daughter of the Jade Emperor who reincarnated so many times, it's kinda hard to keep track. During one of these reincarnations, the mortal king thought her so evil, powerful and dangerous that he asked Buddha to send the Eight Diamond Generals to apprehend her, but it ended up being a stalemate until Buddha intervened.
Normal viewers : ah, battle for true love
Me : IMMORTAL KOMBAT
Thanks for featuring a myth from Vietnam. I appreciate you trying to pronounce the names. 👍👍👍
Earth benders vs water benders
U guys should do a extra history/mythology about the sons of Ragnarr lodthbrok(no idea how to do the weird d thing)
Someone's been watching VIkings! ;)
@@extrahistory I guess so!
In fairness many of their sagas blend myth and real event in such an epic way that its often hard to tell which is real and which is just a myth.
@@sharilshahed6106 Honestly a lot of norse/scandinavian/icelandic myths do there same. Taking a story out of the Landnambok There was a farmer who went to sleep one night and he woke up the next morning to find that his front gate was now a volcano.
As a vietnamese fan of this channel this makes me feel so proud and happy that my culture is being featured 🤩
You guys miss an important detail is that the wedding gift have to be a nine-tusk elephant, a nine-spur cockerel, and a nine-mane horse.
The horse needed to have pink mane too
@@theparrot6516 no not necessary i heard many version of this story and it never mention the horse needed to have pink mane
@@vinhny2406 "ngựa chín hồng mao" though? Hồng could mean pink or red
@@ello3800 nhưng nếu bạn có đọc Sơn Tinh, Thủy Tinh thì nó ghi vậy mà
@@vinhny2406 thì ngựa chín HỒNG mao đấy. Chứ mình chưa nghe phiên bản nào ko có chữ hồng mao bao giờ, tức là bạn The Parrot kia nói đúng rồi
I'm a vietnamese and i have never though that Extra credit gonna talk about sơn tinh & Thủy thinh
It's a myth that creates VIETNAM CULTURE NOT CHINA DYNASTY !
Tinh*
Sorry, gotta correct you there.
@@baochi456 🙃🙃
I feel like the story between Kyogre and Groudon took some inspiration from this myth...
This is just symbolic of the Godzilla vs King Kong conflict
Pretty much, Son Tinh is Kong, Tuy Tinh is Godzilla
EXACTLY
I'm now put in the mind of a possible parody of the Frost Miser and Heat Miser songs starring these two gods.
6:24 Damn, all the animals turn into soldiers, EXCEPT that lizard. Poor guy!
I really appreciate the great work you did, as a vietnamese I couldn't have been happier to see you made a video abt our mythology
Love this! It's one of my favorite Vietnamese mythology stories! Thank you for making this!
Man, we’ve some real good Vietnamese mythology here
GOD OF OCEAN VS GOD OF EARTH ! MYTH THAT CREATES VIETNAM CULTURE !
Great video, always nice to see my country represented :) You missed one of the more iconic detail in the myth though - in the final challenge, the king asked the two gods to bring him an elephant with 9 tusks, a rooster with 9 spurs, and a horse with 9 manes. These were all land creatures so Son Tinh was able to bring them to the king in time and won Mi Nuong’s hand.
So glad to see our Vietnamese folklore put on video like this. Thank you Extra Credits.
Another rare story that explains natural peculiar phenomenon... thanks for this
Imagine being the king who had so many subjects killed because of the two suitors fighting over his daughter...
In our Vietnamese folktales and education, it is clearly stated that the Hùng Kinh was bias to wed his daughter Mỵ Nương to Sơn Tinh rather than Thuỷ Tinh. The reason being, in his opinion the powers of Sơn Tinh benefit the people of Văn Lang (ancient vietnamese state) as he created mountains, settlements, farmland, livestock and of course most important of them all: trees. Trees with vietnamese is like fish with water, on the other hand Thuỷ Tinh brings flooding, typhoon and storms. This idea is backed by the wedding gift the Hùng King demanded the two gods: “ a hundred pieces of cơm nếp (sticky rice) two hundred rolls of bánh chưng (vietnamese new year food) along with elephants with nine ivory, horse with nine back hair and chicken with nine claws (all mythical animals). All of his demands can only be found on land which is an advantage for Sơn Tinh and a huge disadvantage for Thuỷ Tinh as none of them are ocean-related. In the end Sơn Tinh won and wed Mỵ Nương just like the Hùng King wanted, their marriage lasted much longer than Văn Lang and the rule of Hùng Kings.
Great vid love your content.
this is my greatest birthday gift I have ever had. thanks for this surprise guys. love you all
PS: I am so happy that I don't even care how not good is your Vietnamese pronunciation.
It is nice to see that my country's mythology is animated and presented by Extra Credits. Hopefully, you guys can do more myths of Vietnam. Thanks!
Myths that create VIETNAM culture !
Great work
While watching the first thing that came to mind is the contest for the hand of Helen which won by Menelaus and ended with the destruction of Troy.
Yea boiiii! new video today
thank you to you from Vietnam
Son Tinh is basically wreck it Ralph and Thuy Tinh is basically aquaman it's the ultimate showdown
Nice, as a Vietnamese, I am so so happy to see this video happen. Thanks guys
this was a nice tale that I had never heard of before I love learning on this channel
great one ^.^ I hadn't heard this myth before
Can't wait how you will interpret one of the Vietnamese popular myth of the Giant General Child, "Phù Đổng the Heavenly King".
That's actually pretty cool to know ! Great story and intake upon the mansoon seasons! First time hearing it like this.
Love this
nice to get to know the stories behind Groudon and Kyogre ;)
Flood stories, every surviving people have them. That was well done thank you
This was such a sweet story.
Glad to see Vietnamese history being covered
YES YES FINALLY
You should do the story of Lang Lieu as well
Civ 6 and now extra credits, crazy stuff
I am so proud that my home country's myth is on EC
Natural disasters seem to always be caused by God's beefing
Or giant snakes doing a slither in the ocean
Japanese games always have those nods to mithology. I was kinda expecting Rayquaza to show up at any time. Nice story!
The wedding gifts were an 9-tusks elephant , a 9-back clawed chicken, a 9-mane horse
SHHH ! THE KING IS EQUAL ! SO JUST SAY THE KING RULES ! DO NOT ASK DETAIL ABOUT THE KING WANTS!
@@nguyenhoanglong420 It's meant to be a test to who is wealthier for his daughter
@@aokhoinguyenang3992 Sound logic enough !
Vietnam just gets added to Civ 6.
Extra Mythology has an episode featuring a Vietnamese myth.
*Coincidence? I think NOT!*
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And the winner of all of these fights, Son-Tinh, managed to get himself on the Typhoon List so congrats Son-Tinh
TBH i think Thuy Tin deserved her more because he liked her personality and her sweet heart and not of her beauty like son tin did
Hawaii has a similar tale to this. About pele and that water dude who's name I can't remember, it's pretty cool
Nice series! (Can't really believe that 2 gods fighting just for a princess)
Edit: I guess this Style looks like cool stick characters
Wrap Edit: *WHILE THE PRINCESS SINGS*
Woah woah woah!... Do you mean groudon and kyogre? XD
Finally a Vietnamese myth :) I hope you'll cover our creation myth as well, it's really weird.
Parsing "Not being one to want to" took me a moment there
That was wild!
it feels like their artstyle is melting
Hey, long time watcher here, and yo all have no idea how stoked and pleasantly surprised I am to see this pop up. Some side notes though: The most popular version of the myth says the gifts included legendary and mythical animals like the nine tusk elephant, nine spur cockerel, and a nine mane horse. Why nine ? If I remember correctly, the number nine represents eternity in Eastern cultures, Vietnamese culture included. Furthermore, from what I was taught way back in elementary school, the king himself specifically asked for those animals, as it was his subtle way of saying "I pick Son Tinh". Oh, the translations for Son Tinh & Thuy Tinh respectively were literally "Mountain Spirit" and "Water Spirit", as in, these dudes were the embodiments of the mountains and the water/sea themselves (feel free to correct me since I learned all of these more than 10 years ago). Final thing. Son Tinh also has another name- Tản Viên Sơn Thánh, or, The god of Tan Vien mountain, and he's one of the four immortals in Vietnamese mythology. Anyways, cheers, superb job and looking forward to more content.
The fighting match between the uncanny smiles
these gods makes me somehow think, where Aang the last airbender / the avatar power inspiration come from. btw beautifull words at the conclusion end.
wow never think your guys make folklore about our country thank you
Me, a chilean: Wait...this sounds familiar
(for those curious, Chilote myth has a similar story with serpent gods Tren-Tren and Kay-Kay-Vilu)
This captured the core mythology pretty well, but the version of the myth parents and grandparents tell me, as well as the version in written books has details, some of which would make this tale even more interesting:
- The King is a Hung Vuong ( stands for Hung King ), a king in one of our most ancient periods
- The gifts were very specific for both Son Tinh & Thuy Tinh: 100 trays of sticky rice ( Cơm Nếp ), 100 batches of Chung Cake ( Bánh Chưng ), elephants with 9 tusks, roosters with 9 heels, horses with 9 red manes. Another interpretation also accepts elephants, roosters and horses all with "ripe" and adult tusks/heels/red manes.
- Because of the gift's availability, Son Tinh managed to get them all in time for the wedding. Thuy Tinh is the lord of waters, therefore securing the gifts in time was a slower endeavor, even if he also got them all as requested. Which explained his lateness to the wedding, albeit not all too late. The marriage did happen lightning fast lol
Thank you for doing this episode of Extra Mythology, always a pleasure to listen to the tale of Son Tinh - Thuy Tinh again, and for even more people to know of it !
Ah, yes. PLEASE! The most potent of all magic words.
They say every child knows it, but refuses to weild it in the presence of their forebearers...
I really hope you'll cover the Myth of Co Loa Citadel
As a mere mortal I would have felt very unfairly treated in this competition
great job, i don't think one day my country myth can be seen here
Subtitles be like:My name is Tweeting.I rule over Twitters.
Btw,imagine showing up with your army every year just to find out Son Tinh was dead with all the deforestation going on.
This was very cool. It seems every culture has a romantic Romeo and Juliet kinda myth to explain natural phenomena ❤️ 🖤💔🌧🌊🌬🌋
Civ6 is just about to release Vietnam in the New Frontier Pass. How convenient.
I want to hear more about Vietnamese mythology in the future of your series soon!!!
Well that was pretty neat. Never heard that one.
6:28 Hear/seeing this had me thinking this is how early people explained Ha Long Bay :D
Mythology is fascinating, in the cultural+psychological sense
Finally a Vietnamese Myth ❤💜💛💚💙