Inside Look: Milwaukee M18 Fuel 7-1/4" Circular Saws GEN 1
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Milwaukee released their latest edition of their M18 Cordless Circular Saw in July of 2018, just over a year after the original M18 circular saw was released. So the new GEN 2 is here, complete with a number of upgrades that we’re going to show you today, as we take an INSIDE LOOK with help from 3 Professionals: Foreman AJ Delancey, Design Builder Steve Gohring, and Tool Expert Chris Cousins. All three get hands-on with both the Gen 1 AND Gen 2 M18 Circular Saws so that we can see what they had to say about the latest edition. Get Your Own:
Milwaukee GEN 2 Circular Saw: www.ohiopowertool.com/p-19032...
Milwaukee M18 GEN 1 Circular Saw: www.ohiopowertool.com/p-10579...
Diablo “Demo Demon” 7-¼” Saw Blade: www.ohiopowertool.com/p-6661-...
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This! This right here is what I want from a tool review. Now my man AvE does a great job, unfortunately the man is restricted budget wise due to great practices. But if coptool could continue these kinda reviews that’d be 👍🏼
AvE is also a BIG blasphemer that offends Virgin Mary and God every time he opens his stinky mouth...
Thanks for the video and the input guys!!
Does the brushless motor directly drive the blade or thru' a gear teduction?
Does the plate supposed to have a little play after you set the angle? I noticed play
The 12.0 seems huge at first, but so was the 9.0, and it feels normal to me now.
Mike your right , when something is good it's worth making a few adjustments
In time this new one will be average, if you use it with the new 6.0 it will drop like 2 pounds, then it's only 2 pounds more than 2731 at twice the power
I have a Gen 1 model with the 9 amp battery, I use Diablo blades. That saw has impressed everyone who's ever used it. We've used it to to cut up green treated 2x12 to make 12' stairs no problem, my 9 amp battery has really good run time even cutting up green treated wood. Love that saw!
Hi,
Do you notice any difference using the new 8.0ah batteries with the 21700 cells? In this video the first Carpenter used a 9.0ah and the second gen circular saw had a 12ah battery.
Would have been interesting if he used a 12ah battery on the gen1 circular saw and see if he gain any power.
I know the 9.0ah battery has the 18650 cell in them.
Just checking
I have a gen 1 also. It’s a pooch. Even with a 12ah ho the power is just not there to me and is hard to get through a board with a straight cut. For cutting plywood or many cuts I go back to my 6394. It’s a legend. Lol. Haven’t tried the 2nd gen. Probably won’t since pro’s don’t like it. Why would I?? You can tell though even since they did not like the ergonomics of the saw the power looks a lot better than the the gen one. You could hear it as he ripped through the board. I’d take the weight to have the power.
ONCE AGAIN....Loving this series of tool in depth looks and real world opinions!!!
Double down on this please!!!
Makita next please - Impacts, Circ Saws, Cutters of all types!!!
Thank you to the people at CopTool!
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Great video. Thats good to know, i got the gen 1 and many 4 and 5 amp. So i will probably get some 9 amp for it
Looks like using most of the power difference between the two from the first test was gone when the 12AH battery was used on both during the later test, because that guy never even mentioned the Gen 2 having more power.
I have had the gen 1 for 5 years and just love the thing so light for just picking up constantly all day making cuts like to see the new gen 2 model vs the dewalt flexvolt comparison👍
It lost to the dewalt :(
sounds like Qua Phan is a non believer , you need to come to the store and let's put them to the test. We will make you a Milwaukee user indeed.
@@stevengohring2263 😅😅😅 i love my fuel Milwaukee...
Flexvolt worm drive style saw, kills all circular saws in the market Corded or cordless
allen speed... And I don't like worm drive, tis why I have the Milwaukee!!
Just bought one on 9/12/19. Blade is misaligned with the shoe just like doresman channel warned about.
Umm…does ANYONE know who makes that Slat-Wall (type) wall storage system in the background for the COP-Tool Team Workshop?!?!
I have been Looking for something EXACTLY like that; I am aware it may have been something custom made with special wood boards, but the aluminum channels appear to belong to a production-type product. PLEASE, if anyone has any ideas, that Slat-Wall System is AMAZING!!!
Ive been thinking of upgrading my Gen 1 saw. Ive got 2 cordless Circs, the Milwaukee Gen1 fuel 7 1/4. The makita 6 1/2 brushless one. And i have always felt that the milwaukee felt underpowered. They used the same motor in both the gen 1 and also their 6 1/2 saw. So nice to see them upgrade it.
Honestly? I would probably recommend picking up one of the new HO 6.0 or 12.0 Batteries and seeing if that fixes your lack of power issue. They are using bigger, beefier cells that can feed a larger amp draw. They may improve the performance of your saw, without the extra lbs of the Gen 2.
Goldmarble but then gen 1 wasn’t designed to last with the high out put batteries. There is a reason they changed everything for the gen 2. Way better cooling abilities.
I have that circular saw, and I said goodbye to corded circular saws once I’ve used it. Even though I’m a hobbyist, I find the value of spending the extra money on Milwaukee tools over more DIY oriented tools.
Milwaukee gen 2 is a beast best sidewinder cordless
The electronic advice was BS, you just cannot get replacement boards etc for these, its either repair or buy a new one.
@@engjds 5 years warranty
Hi Everyone,
If anyone does purchase the milwaukee gen 1 model be very careful. I noticed there is two models of the gen 1 that milwaukee has.
The first version has a dark grey plate (looks like the gen 2). It does have hole for dust to escape but you can't put a vacuum attachment.
The second version has a silver plate and has a hole for the dust to escape and you can attach a vacuum attachment.
Both of them have the same RPM 5000.
Just be aware.
one with dust collection is not fuel
looks like the same motor as the new m18 chainsaw, clearly no one in the video had to use the old worm drive saws they made 30 years ago hahah they weighed as much as the entire m18 line combined, if the weight is bothersome find an old 25lb circ saw and use it for a week then go back to the gen 2 m18 and itll feel featherlite.. ntm you could have it for power and ripping and the 6-1/2" model lighter for small cuts/repetitive tasks
Au contraire Andrew, I am all too familiar with the old Worms, I framed houses in the early 90s. :) They seperated the men from the boys on roof cuts. haha ~Kris.
Andrew you are right sir, I still have my 60's porter-cable metal body etc. needless to say it has been on the shelf for 18 yrs. of that time.
i started with a dewalt sidewinder just a few years ago, i picked up an old craftsman branded wormdrive from an old lady selling her husbands tools all metal even the bevel/depth settings, about 20lbs and torquey as frig, just used it the other day blocking up some pallets for burning, it doesnt mind getting pinched as much as the cordless milwuakee, its nice building decks though only thing i need a cord for is the compressor/nail gun, if Milwaukee comes out with an 18v framer ill be cordless (the Hitachi one looks good but id like to stay to one battery platform) dewalt has one but i dont like the flywheel system they use, milwuakee will try and take a bite of that pie soon i hope ill be signed up for pre-order on that one
Andrew I am with you on the battery/tool situation, When the tool is bad the batt. is good when the batt.is bad the tool is good. so you are right about trying to stay in the battery/ tool trademark. lrt's both hope that the battery framing gun comes soon.
Steven Gohring Haaa Steven I loved and still do and still have an old porter cable 315!!! It's not a worm drive tho. Absolutely the best saw and easiest to use in my opinion!!! 😁
Can't see it being too hard to fabricate something to add as a port for dust collection for the gen1. Between 3D printing and/or ordering a spare gen2 port and filing it a bit to fit there's got to be some kind of options .
Have the first generation. Tried a couple years ago to replace a few rotten deck boards and it was struggling. This year I had same type of job and it’s useless on 2x6.
Then you have a defective model sir... my Gen 1 with the 9 amp battery cuts up green treated 2x12 to make steps no problem. My Gen 1 has impressed everyone who used it.
They still need to make a saw with the blade on the right side. (Blade on the left side)
Hey Craze, We need a lefties protest about this, There's a lot of good left handed carpenters out there and they need to be heard. I'm a righty myself but I feel your pain, in fact in the video you'll see I had to cut backed handed myself!! like I said I feel your pain..
Steven Gohring I'm left handed myself, but 35 years ago when I first started in the carpentry trade I was told the reason why the blade was on the right side (which obviously alot of ppl nowadays don't have a clue why) so I just learned to cut with my right hand also. Actually feels much more natural now.
Missed the point of the comment lol I'm the same as you @Teeg I can only find left sided blades
Have I been doing it wrong all these years? I noticed Steve was one of the few people who used their saw cutting left to right where the saw was supported and not right to left with the saw supported on the cutoff (or hand supported which looks dangerous to me). With the added weight this seems even more precarious. This is indicative of a right side mounted blade. I have never used a left mounted blade saw but am considering the Milwaukee 6-1/2" saw for this very reason. I would very seriously consider a brushless 18v left mounted blade in 7-1/4" if it were available. Regards
I guess most of these people commenting below about the gen 2 being to heavy wont appreciate either the brushless rear handle dewalt or makita saws being that the saws are even heavier.
The rear handle saws are lighter then the corded rear handle though...and also I thought they were all 12lbs
Looks sweet.. just needs a left hander
Super Tool★★★★★
Hi,
Why didn't AJ Delancey use the 12ah battery on his gen 1 model? Maybe he would have seen a big difference with the 21700 cells. Or he should use the new 8.0ah batteries with the same cells. The 9.0ah battery has only 18650.
Steve Gohring noticed the power in the gen 1 model. I been using the gen 1 with a 8.0ah battery and it works great. With the 12ah a little more power but heavy.
The gen 1 doesn't have a dust extractor attachement for inside shop work. I wish milwaukee made a solid cover plate so the dust can go down under the guard. This way dust doesn't blow at you. Especially for left handed people.
Just my opinion
Unless the tool is designed for a high output battery. It’s not the best to run it in a tool not designed for it. There is a reason the new tools are designed with more cooling in mind for the higher power.
The mosfets are directly on the motor and stator windings are much much larger! Kris skipped over the important parts. Send one to AvE
Time constraints. I try to keep the technical terms to a minimum and point out the basics. Not everyone knows what a stator winding or mosfet is. It's a brief breakdown, not a tech manual review. These vids are requested by viewers, it's not a competition with AvE by any means. Thanks for Your input.
@@kriscousins6250 true. it would be beneficial to point out that this particular motor will handle higher current load. I was also very impressed to see the rotor balancing cut into brass rings. I'm glad Milwaukee is putting effort into quality and not totally just profit gains. So many brands, not just tools are engineered for Maximum profit. I was worried TTI would wreck the brand but it's doing very well.
I concur. The advancements are amazing across the board in most brands I encounter. I can see how It would be easy for the vendors to get wrapped up in quantity not quality, (which is always a fear with newer model releases).
My observations, my work mate has one of these and I have the Dewalt Flexvolt 575 and we use both day in day out framing. The Milwaukee is wayyyyy to heavy and bulky ,bad view down both sides of blade ,bad ergos. The Dewalt has way more power and the battery doesn't get hot like Milwaukee. The Dewalt has excellent view down both sides of blade and is lighter and just feels like a normal corded side winder . A circular saw is the one tool I can't skimp on as I use it constantly.
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your guy fro m. the site. have the makita circular saw under the table
Weight and size is always a matter ALL DAY LONG.
Well...well...well....i guess bigger isn't always better...
I like the real words coming out of the real world tradies..
Tell us what world your in and we'll do our best to make it a Milwaukee World.. Over and Out!!
If is bigger and heavier, isn't logical that will have more power? 🤔 Is that impressive? That's 12 Lb vs the 7.5 Lb 2731. No justification for the added weight. I'llck with the lighter one. Thanks for the vid.
It weighs more than the dewalt rear handle yet isn't as powerful...
LOL different blades. You can hear it also.
UUUUUUUGE!!!!!
YYYYeeessss it is but you forgot PPPPPOOOOOWWWEEERRR FFFFUUUULLLLLL
Makita makes the best circular saws.
next time use the same blade for the demonstrations not an old dull blade vs a new
Hell-O Mr. Hell just a note to you on the blade situation, before I cut I was handed 2 new blades to put on the saws. so I could give an accurate read on the both of them. I already have DeWalt eqip. now but I must say those 2 saws they had me test were pretty awesome.
I had put on a new Diablo blade that morning and we shot in the afternoon. The new Milwaukee blades and the diablo blades, are very similar in performance.
The new saw is just that much more powerful.
The blades that make a real difference are the new makita max efficiency.
Reclaimed Elements are they really that much better? The makita blades that is. If so are you mainly talking about for framing?
reddawg rup if your using a cordless saw they really are that much better.
They are really thin, but handle heat and binding really well. The tooth geometry is slightly different as well, and they cut really smoothly.
I really dont like it when saws are compared with different blades.
First rip looked to be a used Diablo blade and second rip was a new Milwaukee blade.
Note that Milwaukee says their new blades cut more efficiently than Diablo...
Everyone copying AvE opening tools up lol
Ave talks alot of shit, even tho he does explain things more in depth. I dont like his banter tho
@@urjnlegendScum bag
@@urjnlegend go fuck your hat
He always repeats his knowledge on power tool design which a engineer in this field feels boring and also those things are old stuffs. But. he really did a detailed disassembly!
My gen 2 lasted 5 weeks on the rainy westcoast. Pulled it out on morning after a week in the rain and it wouldn't turn over. Not very impressed. My employees gen 1 did the same thing 2 weeks prior. The only difference was. His is almost 2 years old. Not to impressed with this gen 2
You left your power tools in the rain for a week and then complain when they dont work 😂 cant design for stupidity really
First off. I didnt "leave them out in the rain for a week". Second of all. They claim to be able to withstand any weather. For $550 I sure as hell would of hoped they're not full of shit either. The stupidity is supplying a guaranteed warranty for something that they cant stand upto. A warranty that I will be taking full advantage of for the next 5 years.
kris drepko should have bought a makita.
Don't soak any brushless tool in the rain, unless it's specifically IP rated for it. They have more sensitive electronics in them compared to the pretty rugged designs of brushed tools. If you're looking to abuse your tools, you're best off using brushed corded stuff, probably second hand. Don't buy expensive brushless cordless tools if you're gonna get them soaked. These are best off stored in a job box, and taken out to do serialized cutting in covered areas
Damn $550 I only payed $300
Of course there is no struggle cutting dry cheap wood. Show me the saw doing a 50 degree bevel at a 45 degree angle and then show how many it can cut. Everyone cutting and ripping pine in these reviews. No bevel on heavy PT wood. My second gen could do about 90% of the cuts for day to day but cant hold up with the last 10%. Getting yelled at by guys waiting for their cuts is not fun. Never gunna happen with a corded makita. Despite the marketing wank, cordless is not as powerful as a corded. Also brushless doesnt like shutting off and starting back up mid cut.
Also, why do you guys always have to sit holding a cup of coffee ??
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