🛠 Victorinox Beats Leatherman?! MX Clip Multitool
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- Unboxing the Victorinox Swisstool Spirit MX Clip. Trying to figure out who this tool is made for, identifying the good and the bad.
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i was so happy after all those years to put a clip on my Swisstool X made in 1998. Love the slower pace they took with their multitools, not flooding the market with half baked stuff.
The Swiss are half jokingly looked upon in German speaking countries (i.e. Germany and Austria) as the slowest people on earth. It's true to a point but it's because they do everything precisely and perfectly. If you've ever been to Switzerland you'll see how everything is relaxed and slow paced, but perfect.
@@simonh6371 i am a german and dont find them particularly slow:P
@@peddypeoples941 Yeah it's just a joke I think due to how they speak Hochdeutsch (which is like a foreign language to them) in some parts of the country.
@@simonh6371 lol that’s not true at all. I worked in Switzerland for years and they are so fast paced that it’s insane. And I come from Milan, Italy, which is more caothic than New York from my experience.
Swiss take their time on projects, but the lifestyle is sooooo fast paced it’s insane. Everyone runs their car over speed limits all the time. There speeding tickets are norms from day to day.
And how is yor Swiss tool working. Also did you hawe any interaction with sending it back ( customer service ) cos I em really hepy with my Spirit mx clip it has ewry thing I need
My biggest gripe with the spirit has always been the scissors. Especially because the scissors you get on a normal SAK are so good.
Yes they should have just stuck to the old style scissors
Agree 1000%. The scissors only open about 1/2”… if you can get them open at all. They’re so stiff to deploy it’s ridiculous and frankly I’m shocked that Victorinox, who does such a high level of quality on everything else, thinks the scissors are acceptable. And of course no amount of oil helps. I always assumed it was just my scissors were unusually stiff until this video.
Just grind a bit the little knob under the spring, it will open bigger
I actually cut all cable ties with the spirit's scissors... partly because the pliers are a bit blunt and the edge for wires too short... But the scissors are stirdy as hell.
I have a lot of multitools. I always come back to the spirit X. It's served me so well over the years and still looks great.
Yes
Never considered the deployment issue. But great to know as I have brittle weak nails. Thanks for taking one for the team as I see you busted your nails up making the video.
Thanks for mentioning the screw threading. My screw broke AS YOU WERE TALKING about the screw possibly breaking. It's been fine for months, and then bam! Wild.
I have both the Leatherman Charge and the Victorinox MX Clip. When it comes to nails, I actually think that the Leatherman Charge has little tools that are harder to get out. What I really like about the Victorinox is that it's much more streamlined and thinner than the Leatherman Charge which makes it way more friendly to the pocket. I also really like that there will never be any concern for rust with the Victorinox. However, the tollerances on the Leatherman plier pivot are tighter.
In my opinion the file and saw are a must in a multi tool! I think this tool is the perfect combination for me at least. Thank you for the video. Just subbed :)
I have one, and I think it's great. Deployment could be better, but I don't really have trouble with it. After watching this, I'm thinking I probably should have got the Free P4 instead, but I'm happy with the Victorinox.
I'm surprised, that some of the tools are so hard to get out. I bought the "normal" one about 10 years ago and it lives in our kitchen drawer, used only from time to time. The tools were never to hard to get out
Hey Dominic! Thanks for the great video! I really enjoyed it! For me personally the Spirit X is perfect and I never had any issues with the deployment. But that might be different for each individual. Regarding the the Free P4, which I really like, it is a completly different story in Europe. Here the Victorinox ist about 100-150 Euros and the Leatherman is almost 200 Euros. Adding that the Spirit has an even higher quality (even though both competitors are of very good quality) I would always go for the Vic. But as I said, I think that is highly depentend on were you live. I guess in the US I would also go for the Leatherman. Reagardinng the shared prive of the Spirit with and with out clip, why they dont have a different price is, because without the clip you get a leather sheath. So that is a fair deal. thats why the one without the clip isnt ceaper. Apart form that, I share your opinion, that the Vic is to expensive and they get even more expensive (e.g. Replica 125 Years). I bought the clip seperatly for 20 euros and even though its a very good clip its way to much money for a clip. I feel Victorinox gets more and more inadequate, that make me very sad.
When I added a clip to mine, i used loctite. You only need to snug it then and you won't over torque the screw and break it.
I do the same with my 30+ yr edc carry Kershaw.
Great presentation as always mate. Cowabunga.!
Hello! Can you tell me what's the red foldable screwdriver's name? Thanks!
How about that bump for the one hand opening of the blade? Is it comfortable on the pocket? I heard it wont fit on the sheath because of that. I only got the spirit X and I love it. I don’t have issue in deployment you just need to find which way is easier for you to open a tool. Personally I’m convinced that its better than my Leatherman (at medium size range).
when he flipped the pocket clip to the other side..i was thinking the same thing. Though i totally get why since deploying the knife will be obstruction free.
I think I would have gotten one of these in a heartbeat if the scissors were replaced with the ones from a 91 mm sak and also if the jaws came to a finer point
Pardon me for missing this, but does the Victorinox have any locking blades?
Second thing, I have the same problem with thin nails. I carry the Parker Jotter pen, which is perfect for opening the Swiss blades just far enough to not kill my nails with the blades on my 91mm Ranger. They also make a blade opener tool, which is made for them by Leatherman...
All of the tools are locking, sorry I assumed 😅
THANKS! I was considering the swisstol spirit, but not anymore.
It is shiny and beautiful, but if you put your feelings aside there are better Leatherman and Gerber multitools to chose from.
I would rather have inside tools wich are easy to deploy, than outside tools that are difficult to deploy.
Today I am using:
- Skeletool for EDC
- Gerber Center Drive for when I am working around the house.
- Leatherman Super Tool 300 when at work (fire investigator. Digging out fire scenes).
Victorinox has consistently kicked out better fit and finish than any other commercial brand that I've crossed paths with for almost five decades.
Not once have I purchased a Victorinox that was overlooked by their QC.
Every other brand I've met makes me think that they require employing someone pulling bong hits and babbling maddening nonsense somewhere in the assembly process.
The spirit x is my favorite all around mutitool..( for when I'm not at work) for me the perfect size for edc ..but I think a spirit x in the juice size( keeping all the same implements ..maybe not the scissors if where shrinking it ..id say the tool set of the spirit s with the serrated blade and plain edge. would just be cool as hell
I have the Victorinox Spirit for 5 years now, never had your "problems" 🤷♂️, it is much better than any competition multitool out there 💪👍... Only my opinion tho 😁
Spot on with your criticism of the nail shredding opening of the tools. I use the Leatherman Free P4, simply because I can easily open all the tools without tearing my nails. The Spirit X has all locking tools, and not slip joints, , so why does Victorinox incorporate bear trap springs just to keep the tools closed?? So easy to fix this problem. This is my biggest gripe with Victorinox multitools, including the awl on the back of e. g, the Super Tinker type. Second biggest gripe is with the scissors on this M-tool. They have room to increase the scissors' blade length but for some reason have fitted small blades with restricted blade opening. The best scissors, IMHO, are those on the Victorinox super tinker/delux tinker range. Surely they could incorporate these in the Sprit X.
I really wanted to use the Spirit X, but sadly, I gave up on the Spirit X after repeatedly tearing up both thumb nails, and now use the Free P4.
(and... Please don't tell me that you don't have a problem because you have nails like claw hammers! It's not about your nails, but about mine!!)
This👆
Why use your short nails to do it when you can easily do it with your finger easily? Why make things hard on purpose? You pull and push the rest down. Takes a full 1 second timed. Never crossed my mind to use my already 0.5 mm nails that always cut themselves daily. Lol
@@rafaeltorre1643 Raphael, read my comment again with your glasses on. You'll see that I'm not talking about Leatherman's P4 push-up tools, but about Victorinox's toolset that requires you to use your nails. That's why they have nail nicks.
@@Billhumphreys3370 Why are you so emotional? I didn’t insult you. It has an indentation to pull them out as well. Didn’t notice? I own one, thats the entire point of commenting. I have two. I don’t mind if men try to insult me. Because it just tells me what bullies don’t like about themselves. Do you have glasses or bad eyesight? We need strong men and women.
@@rafaeltorre1643
Raphael, I'm not getting emotional or trying to bully you. I made a comment that Victorinox Spirit's tools were hard to open using nails and nail nicks. Others have agreed. You replied by saying that you don't need your nails, and that you can open the Victorinox toolset by just using a finger (no nails needed) just by pushing down on them. That is Leatherman'system not Victorinox's. You can't open the Victorinox toolset by pushing on them. I asked you to re-read my comment to see this very clearly laid out.
That's all.
Your huge jump into being bullied, and being a victim suggest to me that you are the one being emotional.
I made my point, and
as far as I am concerned, this discussion is over.
You are not being bullied, threatened or insulted. That's it!
i never had a leatherman where the pliers don't jam afet some use
Got the SwissTool Spirit x for years without any issues
How does this compare with the Signal, in terms of ease-of-carry? I’m tempted by the black one, but it is pricey (looks like it doesn’t even come with the clip).
All signals come with a clip that lays very flush with the tool, actually one of my favorite clips on a multitool in fact. Its not super-comparable in toolset, the MX clip has a very complete toolset..its only drawbacks are price and deployment.
Leatherman wave is king its had one handed opening for years I've yet to find a better multi tool I've tried the Swiss tool before and other leatherman models but always go back to the wave
Have been using the original for many years and I use it almost every day at work.
I don't feel that the Philips driver is hard to work with at all
Did your spirit x have any play in the plier head? Mine has come with just a little bit, wanted to know if it normal.
Why like my comment without answering :(
I don't even like the Swisstool very much but I have never had any isses deploying the tools. Well experiences vary of course.
As someone whose fingernails are so thin, fragile, and prone to splitting, I totally sympathize with your deployment problems with the Vics. For me, it is even worse on the SAKs because more of the tools are even harder to get at. I have actually (albeit rarely) resulted to using another tool to pry, say, the awl up far enough to grasp rather than risk the pain of a nail tearing into the quick. Oil and exercise of each tool can help a bit, but it would really be nice if Victorinox would take pity on the keratin-challenged among us and loosen up.
I will be looking for that video on adjustment.
@Craig As for opening the tools on SAK´s you could use the hook part on the toothpick for pulling the nailnick. It works quite good in my opinion.
If you want to see a video about how to do it Felix Immler has shown it:
"4 Special Tricks with the Victorinox Toothpick"
czcams.com/video/meirpyWD778/video.html
And a plus is you don´t need a second SAK, you just need one with a toothpick.
i made a lanyard with a sturdy guitar pick on it for my grandpa, that worked out nice for his sak:)
Craig, the Leatherman P4 is the tool you want.
I just opened every tool with one hand wearing a glove.
@@rncondie Well good for you! As I said a dozen comments ago, it's not about your problems, but about mine!
If deployment is such an issue to people I understand the review conclusions. Personally, given the robust nature of the tools, etc I don't see how Leatherman touches the big V. However I have a major caveat. I think the supplemental bit kits, and sheaths leatherman offers are very high quality and while the accessories for the Spirit are wonderful, the ratchet for the leatherman with its more horizontal structure is a great addition.
if you buy the smaller leatherman bit set with the adapter for the mut, etc... the adaptor fits the victorinox phillips perfectly and you now have an alternative multi bit system for the spirit. Just take the part of the leatherman adaptor that is square shaped and pop it on the philips head.
Weakness (or strength according to Victorinox): The knife steel on the Spirit is soft, but easier to sharpen if you're without a sharpening tool. It is also not as breakable compared to if they're of harder steel.
Another problem, or weakness that i found out (after years of use), is how to deal with a worn out file, since all the tools are riveted. Do you have any idea how to do it? Do they have a replacement part for the file?
Another gripe i have is the thickness of the scissor's cutting tips. You can't use the scissors if the object you're cutting is attached very near to a surface.
Just send to vixtorinox probably they will just replace it.
If you wear anything out, Victorinox will replace it. It's a lifetime warranty, and although it only speaks to defects in materials or workmanship, in practice they basically replace any damaged or worn out tool you send them.
How long is the blade? I can't find any information anywhere...
What about the bit holding capability?
I wish they hadn't discontinued the version with a serrated blade in the place of the scissors considering how useless those scissors are and how easy it is to supplement those with a different tool (even one of the small Victorinox knives).
Kind of agree...I'd rather they had the saw.
Especially for a locking tool… a locking saw is more valuable than locking scissors.
I use the scissors to cut cable ties all the time;)
I have a foldable vintage dedicated scissors on my keychain but at times still use the scissors instead of taking more time to pull the other out.
Would you please check if there is a way to make it hex bit compatible?
I've not had luck so far...but I'll see what I can do
Did you ever get the Leatherman Garage Darkside? Waiting to see that review.
nope, did not. Tried, but gone in 10 min.
Personally, never had a problem accessing any tools on the Spirit.
Is there actually a corkscrew on this? I can’t seem to find an image of it anywhere online, yet it seems to be a feature even on their site. Thanks!
It's a spare part that can be attached to the tool
Wow, thank you so much for responding. Big help! I don’t have to replace any tools? There’s a vacant spot for it?
Do you have your hands on Swiss Tool MX?
It seems no one on the net have review on this model..
Looks amazing though!
But the one without the clip bring a leather carry case right...
Yeah I’ll stick with my Surge. My only concern with Leatherman is the rust it tends to grow.
Perhaps a bit off topic, but your issue with your fingernails might be remediated by greatly increasing your Vitamin C intake. 25 years ago, I took about 1 gram of Vitamin C daily, and still had chronic lower back issues, necessitating visits to the chiropractor on a yearly basis. I read an article suggesting that 5 grams daily would so strengthen your back as to eliminate problems. For the last 25 years I have been taking about 5 grams daily, and now at 73, my back is stronger than it was when I was younger, such that I have recently moved pianos without any issues. This also strengthens all other systems which are collagen protein based, including blood vessels, joints, tendons, and even our bones (osteoporosis is a Vitamin C deficiency disease), and our nails. I really appreciated your review of the Victorinox tool, and I will be continuing to use my Leatherman Wave. I have a Swiss Champion, which is no longer made, but preferable for me because it doesn't have a pliers. With my Wave in a belt pouch, I prefer the slightly thinner Champion. I just recently added a Volty to my Wave, a DC voltmeter in place of the reversible screwdriver bit. My Champion is going to be getting a Firefly ferrocero rod in place of the toothpick.
I've always been a vitamin C fan, but that's quite a testimonial!
So would you go with the victorinox Swiss tool Spirit MX clip, Swiss tool MX clip or the Leatherman ARC? And looking forward to your input and thank you@@maxlvledc
@@maxlvledcbeen watching a lot of reviews on your channel and plenty other channels and I'm very undecided as to what multi-tool to go with between the victorinox Swiss tools or the Leatherman ARC I seem to lean more towards the Leatherman but the victorinox tools have a great finish but it seems like a lot of people talk about how stainless steel blade quality is not as good as the Leatherman multi-tools and the other issue with the tools being hard to get out of the handles of the victorinox multi-tools and a lot of people complaining about their fingernails getting chipped, lol but looking forward to your input and thank you
I did watch your video where you were able to loosen the springs on the tool but just seems like so much work so looking forward back for your input and keep up the good work with your reviews on the multitools and thank you@@maxlvledc
Ok, an anyone tell me what the hook On the Swisstool awe is for? Can’t seem to find info on this anywhere.
Mostly to make sure it sits high enough to grab, second use is a parcel hook
It also works on cast iron Dutch oven handle over a camp fire
great vid
Whats the best file on any multitool? I'm about to buy the victorinox locksmith because they say is the best file.
Juice KR4, and then the wave file
@@maxlvledc ok thanks mate
After the video you did 11 months ago on the five most carried tools (with the victorinox spirit mx clip being number one!) I'd like to know when can we expect a video with the adjustment you did to the tool? I very curious!
Where I am there, the MX is nearly half the price of Free P4, 2/3rd of Wave. The only thing I don't get with it is the clip. If I add the clip, it's equal to wave in price.
Yours either seems to be defective or made without much lubricant. Mine I can use the nail nicks just perfect and none of the implements on mine are too loose or too tight.
What is that red bit driver?
It'd Discontinued
Is there someone who thinks that the problem is not the Spirit but the nails of the CZcamsr?
possibly, but it is 2x as difficult as a standard SAK. That I can say for sure.
I know this is an old video, Dom. But at 17:09 you mention that it annoys you that the version without the clip is the same price. That's true, but in return you get a sheath with it. So it's exactly the same value, as the sheath is sold for the same price as a clip separately :D
The screw is an M2.5 x 3MM long. I know because I had to replace mine after it broke.
and Victorinox doesn't have any replacement screws lol that's what I was told.
Was that your comment I read?? That's why I was testing this hehe
@@maxlvledc probably, I bought mine from DLT as well and added a comment about my issues with the screw. Victorinox ended up giving me a different Swiss tool for free as compensation because they didn't know when the screw would be back in stock.
The victorinox spirit mx without the clip comes with a molle nylon sheath . That's why the price is the same as the victorinox mx clip
Interesting...considering how expensive the tool is and how cheap nylon sheaths are...should have been included imo.
@@maxlvledc the victorinox is here in the Netherlands €150,- and the Free P4 €200,- . The victorinox mx is my first Victorinox multitool. But i use my Free P4 much more .
cool
Cool.
the "reamer"..? i think is is called the "awl" :)
Great comments about reviewers struggling to open packages and/or doing so in an unsafe manner. I had to laugh at one CZcamsr who was doing a knife unboxing and was struggling to open the packaging. Not a good look to say the least. How are we to take anything they say about knives seriously? I'm glad Victorinox chose to enter this space. In the long run it will help lead to more innovation.
Get some Gun oil on the tool sets. That makes it way easier to open.
Some people think that saying ought to be "The necessity of invention is a Mother!"
I’ve never considered using my nails as they already cut themselves already. Lol. It’s obvious to me they engineered it to pull out easily with your finger. Just like the other comment, I never saw it as a problem at all. Why would you make things harder when you can just pull it out easily? There’s a big gap for any finger.
I’m so glad I ended up buying the Leatherman rebar instead of this. I love Victorinox in their tools and the craftsmanship but after seeing your review you have confirmed that I made the right choice in buying the rebar.
I really love Victorinox and have quite a big collection of SAKs and Swiss tools, but the Leatherman Rebar is actually what I carry around daily. It's extremely practical and lightweight, and reasonably priced too.
I'm early-ish for once 🤣
I just can't get past the weird curvature when the knife is closed. As good as the tool might be, those curves just look wrong to me.
My experience is the same, the Victorinox multitool has nail breaking deployment. Leatherman P4 way better.
The blade deployment "ear" is a worse design than a little stud or the method Leatherman uses where they cut out a bit of the tool to expose a thumb "loop" or cut out
I just one handed with a glove on and opened every tool on my P4 Leatherman.
Can’t do that with the Victorinox.
That is an upside that offsets every short coming with the Leatherman Free P4
Yep, I still think the P4 is almost right...just needed a better toolset, and NOT a price increase
@@maxlvledc I agree there are a few dumb tools. I would accept a Wave scissor for a Wave file. I like the pry tool so I am not sure I would sacrifice that for the bit.
The depth measure tool is a waste but to keep the pry tool and add the bit I would need to sacrifice sacrifice two tools The measure tool is ok gone but the second would be a difficult choice. The can opener is not great but in a pinch it works.
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My recommendation for the problem of being able to open the tools better is very simple, just oil the retention mechanism. When the tool dries out over time, the friction becomes greater and it does not open easily. A little oil, I use Victorinox´s, open and close the tools a few times... and that's it.
Wish the clip was deeper.
16:21 Oof, you lost me there, buddy.
This is a FACT, every other Victorinox scissor is better than the Leathermans except for this one...the spirit scissors are far far worse .
@@maxlvledc I would have agreed with you yesterday, but today... I had to mod mine to open a bit more and I'll give you that they are not precise and refined like 91mm ones found on saks, however... These can CUT. Super robust. Only issue I had was doing my fingernails. Would I prefer 91mm? Hell yeah. But... Only scissors that I even remotely respect on LM are found on Surge. The rest of them tend to roll over way too much.
So, while not the best from Vic, I still prefer them to Leatherman. They are just... Different. Halfway between scissors and wire cutters.
Name screwdrivers ???
Which?
@@maxlvledc screwdrivers 4:05 .
Coality control is super good in Victorinox but Leatherman has almost duble the prices and coality control is realy pore(players are stif and its yust not comperable) and i really like Leatherman but cost 250€ and Mx Swis cost 150€.
I never have any of those problems opening the tools on my Spirit X.
I also have a swisstool and it's much easier to open for some reason
Your weak nails are scary man . I'm gonna buy a spirit x see how it goes or should I just go for the mx I value your opinion ?
Mx clip is a game changer..get the One handed blade..worth
LOTS of multitools are assembled over-tight at the factory. It shouldn’t be necessary, but you can usually fix this by loosening the screw a little.
In your review sample, the tools on one side were harder to get out than the other. That’s just manufacturing variation (luck of the draw). If they had used a properly-set torque wrench to tighten the screws, they would have more consistent opening force. Somebody didn’t do their job on this tool.
These are riveted, so not easy to changr
@@maxlvledc wow, even worse… expensive, improperly made, and not easily fixable. I’d definitely get the Leatherman instead.
VICTORINOX 👑
Bro how weak are your nails?
I have absolutely no issues with an victorinox pocket knife..but these are substantially harder to open
lol the p4 is trash compared to the spirit X IMO but to each is own
To be fair to Leatherman...their plier is way better...I've heard a ton of cases where the plier head on the Vic loosens over time.
I can deploy all tools with one hand immediately ... I can't understand how you can't deploy them with 2 hands...
Exactly! Glad there are so many saying the same thing. Love your reviews but I just don’t get this is such a big issue to take up so much time.
Spirit X is one of the greatest. It's up there with the Wave/Surge/P4/ARC
Much better than leatherman
that's why I hate Victorinox , I always need to use a coin or keys to get any tool out. So I don't use my Victorinox tools anymore
How weak are people's nails
This is more than twice as difficult as a normal swiss army knife (never had an issue with those) take that as you will.
Max....Grow your damn fingernails out!!! They are the original multitool!! Lol
Won't make them thicker bro lol
@@maxlvledc the more you use them and keep length the thicker they get....adapti g to use.
@@nunyafuckinbizniz may be true...but they are still 2x as hard as a regular vic...that matters to ppl who have issues with their hands. I'd be remiss not to mention it.
Please stop calling the Victorinox Swisstool Spirit MX a Victorinox Swisstool MX. They are different products.
What is that red bit driver?
It's Discontinued, was a product based on big idea designs bit bar.
@@maxlvledc Appreciate it! It looks like Amazon and Home Depot still carry it. I'm going to grab one. Thanks!