Introduction to Eric Voegelin: Gnosticism and Ideological Mass Movements
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As someone fascinated by Voegelin, I appreciate your covering it.
This is so crazy! I have been using Gnosticism in my own thinking as a lenses to look at culture through and have been looking for writers who talk about the same topics he does! Definitely going to check this text out. Thanks for the video!
As the old adage goes: Great minds think alike. You're probably pretty bright!
"The difference between conspiracy theory and reality is six months."
Gosh Dr Laurie, this is terrific! What a grand perspective it gives!
I've never heard of Voegelin or his ideas, ever.
I love how your channel is making parallels with other researchers I follow.
Thank you so much for presenting these ideas. They have given me a kind if conceptual framework which allows me to think more clearly about the chaos and sheer confusion I see around me. One is immediately struck by the similarities in how humans react to similar environments and that stressors are, tragically, necessary to humans in order to goad them on to greater knowledge. It is, of course, yet another example of suffering being the springboard for the kind of action which brings man further in his search for truth.
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The ideal that there can be something called a Secular Religion is interesting. We have for example the Woke as well as the IDE movement from our corporate oligarchs which would seem to fit the bill. However it is very hard to push a label which in the Liberal mindset is a contradiction in terms. Looking forward to the next installment.
It was gone from Wikipedia the last time I looked about a year ago, but for a few decades I remember reading that the soviet union and national socialists wanted a state religion. In the case of Germany, that was going to be a hard sell because the majority of the population was Catholic, but this was the goal for after the war.
@@sdrc92126 The majority of the population was Catholic? Uh, no. The majority of the German population was Lutheran and its Evangelical offshoots. The vast majority of Catholics in Bavaria and Austria did not support Nazism because it was explicitly hostile to Catholicism, owing to the lingering atmosphere of the Kulturkampf.
Literally just reading this
Nice, was just looking for a video on this after reading the book. Fr Dcn Ananias has done some good work he discussed with Jay Dyer using Vogelin, as well as an essay on COVIDism in the book Let No One Fear Death.
Excellent introduction to Voegelin's ideas. Thank you.
gem of a channel, subbed. what's interesting is that gnosticism seems almost akin to a type of attitude as opposed to a coherent ideology (i.e. that you'll be "saved" if you just have sufficient information/knowledge, at which point all will come together, that there is no "good" or "evil" per se, that there's only those with "gnosis" and those without).
It seems dang near every ideology, political or religious, in this age can be deemed to have some adherents with a "gnostic" attitude - that knowledge, not being, is what saves
I just found your videos I like your presentation
You are super rad. Big up yourself. Love your monologues
Thanks for posting this. I heard of him but don't know much about him.
This is a fascinating topic! I've heard that Freemasonry is a form of Gnosticism. Do you know if that's true, or is it conspiracy theory? I've also heard that occultism gave rise to modern liberal movements. Including the French Revolution itself. Do you think there's any validity to that?
I've also heard this about Freemasonry--I think basically some say that the connection can be made and some not. The way Voegelin uses the term, though, I think makes it easier. It's a gnostic movement if it seeks the underlying (hidden) key that unlocks a deeper knowledge of reality, etc. And, I don't know too much about whether occultism gave rise to liberal movements. I do know that people in the Enlightenment, as well as the Counter-Enlightenment, were fascinated with elements of occultism--I just don't know if anyone's successfully shown the linkages. Liberalism has worked like a faith, though, much like other ideologies. So from that perspective it is a "cult," if not occult.
Glad I found this vid. I’ve been trying to read that very book & I can get a hazy idea, but don’t really understand. He uses familiar terms but it’s clear they have a special meaning peculiar to his profession, so it’s perplexing. Then you try Google & get definitions in terms of other specialist language.
At one point he accuses Hegel of being a “speculative gnostic.” I think I understand “gnostic” now, but would love to know what he means by “speculative.” (My mistake - it was Marx, not Hegel)
It refers to the type of philosophy that attempts to see in history some total system, as opposed to analytical philosophy which deals with discrete problems. Voegelin is not using the word in a positive way. It seems like in his view people are tilting at windmills if they think they can understand all of human history through some rational philosophic system.
My third video in this series covers that part of the book, I think.
@@maurinacademy Ah, ok. Thanks. It makes a lot more sense now.
It is the very process of ontogenesis that makes populism and Gnosticism equipotential, this is the sole context I can think of within which the "gnosis" translates politically. Am I getting this right? I find this whole concept rather... notional. Noetic, somewhat.
You're getting it right--and it may be that Voegelin's use of gnosticism is too broad/undefined. I think that might be a potential criticism of what he's doing.
@@maurinacademy if I didn't know anything about him, I would have considered him a post-modernist. Which is weird, to say the least.
So ALL ‘isms’ are ‘just secular religions’? Isn’t that a very superficial take? Serious question.
Yes, typical of Voeglin, base dilution, re-framing.
Why didn't he put capitalism along with Nazism, fascism and communism? Oh he did not get to know Dick Cheney and his Halliburton or The Rockefellers.
Matthew 23:13-37
13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [a]
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Keep in mind that all churches including the Catholic can turn into Pharisees.
Isn't Eric Voegeli just projecting his own psychology onto his work (Escapism) therefore his readers may also be looking for the same?
Why did not he tried to convince us to make this word our home through self-knowledge, truth, love, forgiveness, wisdom and least but no last "activism"?
Some conspiracies also turn to be real but they are made public when it is no longer relevant. Ej. Robert F. Kennedy Junior candidate to the US presidency made some astonishing statements regarding the death of his father and uncle which took place 50 years ago.
Knowledge according to yogic literature and hinduism does not liberate you but attach you and it needs to be transcended to experience (Unity, Samadhí, God) Something that can be remembered but not rationalized. The nature of knowledge is transient and it needs ignorance to exist.
Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 14, Verse 6: Amongst these, sattva guṇa, the mode of goodness, being purer than the others, is illuminating and full of well-being. O sinless one, it binds the soul by creating attachment for a sense of happiness and knowledge.
What are his views on the "Enternal Return"? Did he think revolutions were no necessary for the evolution of societies?
Thank you but this author does not resonate with me. Namasté
I think that your first question is a good one. There is no reason why we can't apply his way of thinking also to capitalism. I don't know if Voegelin was a fan of capitalism or not--it's a good question. And, it looks to me like you got a lot out of the talk even though you didn't agree with Voegelin--that's a lot of thought. Thanks for listening!
@@maurinacademy Is there an ideology behind capitalism other than freedom and the ability to own property?
@@sdrc92126 Have you never heard of crony "capitalism"?
@@CBT5777Yeah, but that has nothing to do with capitalism other than the name. It's basically what you have with a managed fiat system. It's a simulacrum of capitalism under a socialist system.
@@sdrc92126 Yep, and it's destroying the USA.