Grand Theft Auto "Definitive" Edition is a Soulless Joke
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0:00 Opening Remarks
2:25 What I Liked
3:58 Old Jank Meets New Jank
05:58 The Art Style
10:06 The Engine
12:12 Textures
13:59 The Lack of Fog
16:50 Closing Remarks
18:53 Outro & Amazingly Awesome Patrons - Hry
![GTA SA - Why Definitive Edition is Garbage? [Part 1] - Feat. BadgerGoodger](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZSvoC6lZl5s/mqdefault.jpg)
It’s all bugs, Sonny. None of the families would touch that shit
Time's are changing. The gamers can't keep their backs turned while they're waiting for the next game.
People will remember soon enough, that you can mod the originals to look better than this, it's *bad for business.*
So we send GSG to do the dirty work for us and then cut us a nice quiet slice, OK? Who's our contact down there?
Grove Street. Home. Or at least it was before Rockstar fucked everything up.
@@vagstam9127 IGN, schmuck of a site. How are they gonna help?
“Licensing is a thing”
So is the 6 billion dollars Rockstar made off of GTA V
Fair point.
Very true.. there is no way they couldnt buy the licenses for all these old songs cmon
They just wanted to save money
GTA without Billy Jean and cheat codes? Lol, it's even worse than I thought.
@@julyxart_ or or the people who made the song could say we don't want you to have these songs anymore.
@@Kronos0999 cheats codes are there
I despise the whole “music costs money” argument as if GTA online hasn’t made Take Two billions.
@Spawn Yes, but we're talking about the most successful entertainment franchise in history. They can afford it. The only reason any track shouldn't be in here is if the original artists don't want their songs in anymore. Take 2 are just cheapskates all round.
Yeah why would they spend that money on us
They aint gonna give the cow the milk they farmed
I get what youre saying but take two may as well have infinite money, the impact of shelling out a billion dollars for a soundtrack probably doesnt even register, but they dont care. They just wanted to cash in on this trend of remakes and re-releases in the laziest and lowest effort way possible
@@MrSnaztastic i can understand a few things like Michael Jackson not making it, but so many of these cut songs should be more than affordable for this big of a company
They worried bout their shareholders, not the fans.
The foggyness of the og gta 3 was an absolute mood. That needs to come back
Just play the real one
@@gillespriod5509yea? You got a code for it? They took it off the market babe
@@GrapefruitMcgilicuddy Your best bet is either emulation or piracy and it's not hard to get either.
@@Dzidzgkorn617 I have all of them still
@@GrapefruitMcgilicuddy it means... It's now abandonware so you can legaly resort to piracy!!!
"If you're playing on pc your only option now is play definitive edition"
Not while I sail under the black flag
Oh yeah Captain Jack Sparrow time
Long live to those under black flag
I agree. Fortunately I have the originals on my steam library and I still can download and play them.
@@IsM1ku
G2A is bad, I hear they sell stolen keys, I didn't trust people who said it and thought they were just unlucky, I bought Rage and Titan quest: Inmortal throne and both games were taken out of my library because their keys were bought with stolen credit cards probadly, in G2A I don't trust, since then I tell everyone the same thing.
@@AntonioKH2 You're right, g2a is a shit show. Stolen keys, people not getting their games cause the keys are already used etc
This looks like a pretty okay remake made in Unity by like two dudes.
Edit: holy christ i get it, Unity is a good engine
Easy easy, it was three dudes.
Hey, don't be so hard on them... Those Unity developers put some hard work on their projects you shouldn't be insulting them.
It's made in Unreal 4..
@@pi11sburydoeboy
Thanks for telling us..
One of them blind the other deaf.
This studio ( not rockstar ) of literal 10 people were expected to remaster three games in 6 months. Seriously that’s a crime. No one can do that. Rockstar parent company really did it for the cash grab. It was a easy cash grab. Exploiting nostalgia. The og devs are quitting because of this. They have no power. They can watch but with no say.
yeah, honestly they should've actually gotten R* Dundee to lead this remaster like they were boasting about in a few articles instead of pushing everything onto this small-time studio.
I still don't know why they didn't do something like release one remastered game every 12-18 months rather than rushing to cobble together three massive failures, they'd of made way more money if these were actually good remasters...
Jesus Christ cheer up ya miserable bastards 😂 they did a good job imo, better than you could've done I don't see you lot trying to remaster these games, I'm just happy to play these games again with enhanced graphics sure it wasn't perfect but what game is? There's always something people will complain about 😂
Agree. Grove Street Games did an awful job but it was on Rockstar as a publisher to hit the brakes and not release that pile of shit we have now.
Now that Grove Street Games is pulled from the remaster, we can't expect any more updates for these games.
I really liked Simpsons Hit & Run as a kid, I’m so glad they finally made a sequel 20 years later.
bro thats a disrespect to hit and run lol💀
Even that nonsense is betten than this shit :)
The definitive edition is exactly why people don't like the look of those off-hand projects of "Old game X in Unreal" because it has all these pseudo-realistic effects over cartoony aesthetics and they just clash in a surreal way and destroys what made it's appearance iconic.
Well said!
It honestly does look like one of those unity asset flip games. Cheap plastic against decent lighting or over done lighting and bad use of particle effects.
Cyberpunk 1992 HD edition
HIRE THIS MAN
Me before playing games i change controls to all gta 4 controls to make it easier
The fact that a single NPC can have 3 different artstyle approaches on their body is fucking with my head. They'll have a cartoonish face, a semi-detailed but still stylised jacket with minor details, and a photoreal undershirt with visible stitching, all on top of a low poly model with a misaligned skeleton. And then, to top it off, some of those textures will have the deep shadows (eg; around the pockets) "painted" on, but without any sort of bump mapping so that the simulated world lighting will just hit everything with a flat sheen, making it look like one of those funny shirts with a tuxedo printed onto it. And THEN, sometimes things WILL have bump mapping, BUT the specular and reflectiveness settings are the same across what should be leather and what should be cotton.
It's unbelievable that a company who made £1 billion in under 3 days could allow this to go on sale.
Holy shit, that's bad. I just thought they looked like gumby fucking clay cartoons with down syndrome, but that's so much worse.
Rockstar isn’t the same awesome third party company that it used to be back in the early 2000s. It’s just sad that they’re no longer making any original IP games that they use to make. Now looking and playing the definitive version of Sam Andreas just shows that Rockstar didn’t put any effort in these classic games. Seriously it makes the ps2 and Xbox version of those games look like a masterpiece in comparison.
@KTV 4U indeed it does. It looks so fake and cheaply made rain effects.
@KTV 4U ya so hard to play the game
Amen.
In my head, GTA never looked "Realistic" untill 4.
I always viewed it like an MTV cartoon in the style of something like Aeon Flux and thought China Town Wars really capitalized on that aesthetic.
It seems the "Definitive" edition tried to make these toony chars look realistic like the newer games and it failed hard.
Clearly the AI was turned to "realism" and not "stylized" lmfao.
In my opinion the originals were going for realistic look and remasters cartoonish.
Ay finally someone else gives ups to Chinatown Wars, that game went way harder than it had any right to lol
@@low-polyhexagonalrat It's no joke my third fav game in the series and Huang Lee is my favorite protag, mainly due to him being an artist.
We started this remaster saying, "I can't wait."
Then ended saying, "Fuck this game."
"It's all old, Sonny. None of the families would touch that shit"
"Time's are changing. The classics can't keep their backs turned while fans wait for gta 6"
"So, we send some people down and do the dirty work for us and cut ourselves a nice quiet slice, okay?"
"Who's our contact down there?"
"Grove Street games, Schmuck of a game developer. How is he gonna hold the fans leash?"
"We don't need them to. We just set them loose in a good trailer, give them a little cash to get started okay?"
"Give it a few years. Then we go down, pay them a little visit, right? See how their doing."
@@imyourpapi1445 perfect XD
Not me!!!! I flipped rockstar off and never played It knowing It was going to be a disaster. Not saying I’m better than anyone I’m just one of the people that got tired of being handed garbage from lazy ass devs.
It should be, fuck the devs
@@imyourpapi1445 good trailer? what about that misty part?
I just want to point out that the rain effect is literally the "basic" rain effect that you can make on Unreal Engine 4.
they hired a mobile dev and got mobile dev results.
Its not even a rain effect, it's the default content example for particles with collision that comes with the engine, they just scaled it up on every dimension and attached it to the the root of the player camera so it follows you around. It's pathetic because it looks like it rotates with the camera so they were too lazy to even separate the rotation when they attached it to the camera.
Not even joking, this is the same half assed attempt at rain I made when I had like 2 weeks of experience with the engine. Like this is alarmingly amateurish for a company with this kind of money,
@@Holesale00 this
@@robertkofron47 this is actually hilarious.
@@robertkofron47 YES! I mean, I worked with Unity for a few weeks as well! It's the same shit I've done. It was around 2014 so I really don't remember much about it. But yes. That's exactly what you said.
"Remake, remaster, or whatever the hell I'm supposed to call it."
Regurgitation. That's a good name for it.
*Dingus Doofus You Are A Good Man Sir.*
@@user-oe2li9gp8k Thank you for the kind words, dear sir!
Isn't it beautiful how hate for shoddy craftsmanship has the power to unite people across the globe?
Refuse
Remaster=same game for other platforms
Ramake=same game but better made
GTA san Andreas ramaster=💩
"Demaster" is a thing now.
Honestly, Vice City was my childhood. Especially on PS2 it was such a precious part of my childhood (yes I was about 12 lol). Seeing this remaster is like a knife through my heart. Honestly, I think this remaster might be the thing that finally turns me off gaming. If this is what we have been reduced to, whats the point?
A comment someone else makes is so true: GTA Online has made them billions, but they can't afford the licences for the old radio stations?
You should try the og xbox versions if you ever get a chance. They had this awesome feature where you can have your own radio station with your own music. It was awesome at the time. So fn annoying that xbox users are stuck with these garbage versions or that garbage mobile port of San andres that they replaced the og xbox version with.
like any other industry: greed will be the death of it.
these games came out just before corporations realized just how profitable video games are, since that realization it has been a crap shoot as to if you're going to get a worthwhile game or not.
I find this remaster trend gaming's version of Hollywood remaking old classics into huge disappointments, it also signals that a lot of the film and development studios are creatively bankrupted due to the current over-supply in both forms of media.
tbf vice city is the best one out of the three. i had nothing to complain about 🤷🏼♀️ doesn't feel much different to the original except for smoother gameplay. but i had not much to complain about the others as well, just a few songs i was missing but that doesn't really take away from the gameplay fun for me. sorry but people need to understand that it will never be as charming as the first time you play through a game, especially if it's such a long time ago. ppl just set their expectations to high imo..
The originals where they mirrored the floor to give the reflection effect was ground breaking
I like how this "remaster" still has a heavily compressed audio from the base game.
Yup, seems like they didnt even bother improving or updating the sfx especially the gun sounds from SA. I remember on the PS2 the guns sound god awful and from these clips seems like nothings changed of course
true the original actually sounds better i noticed while gathering some gameplay for a video
That's what made me not buy it originally. Those sounds would be rough even in the year the originals released.
To be fair I keep thinking people would bitch if they were to change the sounds
@@machina_spirit Yeah, even back in 2004 those gun sounds were awful. The pistol and SMGs especially. Insane that they didn't bother to change them.
"They keep the OG games down, helps the people forget"
"Peoplearegonnaremembersoonenough, when they see the definitive edition"
It will be bad for business
Funniest part is that Grove Street Games is the same company that made the XBox 360 port of San Andreas, which was a technical mess and used a version of the IOS port.
This still used it too, still having assets in the files for Mobile buttons.
14:28 - dear GmanLives, thank you very much for sublime everything that I wanted to say about GTA3's Liberty City and it's atmosphere. For me it always was a criminal capital, that lives last days before 911, it capitalises everything about crime right before it, and its foggy cold atmosphere was making game unique, and, as you said, make you want to take 2 showers.
Yet feels like nobody loves it today, everyone is blinded of 80s vhs nostalgia and seeing in Vice city something, that it have not
Agreed. To me, GTA 3 was always a 90's game, and it had that atmosphere of cynicism and edginess before corporations started capitalizing on it in the actual 00's. It was also very noir. Sure, it was set in 2001, but it didn't represent the 2000's. GTA SA, by comparison, for a game set in 1992, was very 2000's. Kinda sad, really.
And let's not forget that GTA 3 was supposedly set in autumn, so the foggy, cold feeling makes sense too.
And yes, the 80's nostalgia is nauseating these days.
Rockstar be pulling off a Blizzard with removing the original games over the "Remastered" edition of the games
You could call it "a Blizzard" as much as you could call it "a From Software", or "a Bethesda", or "a Square Enix", to be fair.
When the Dark Souls 1 Remaster came out, the PtD Edition was removed from stores. Same deal with the Skyrim Special Edition which replaced the Skyrim Legendary Edition, and Dragon Quest XI S which replaced the original port.
@@lunos9739 at least those remasters were good, this issue with rockstar is Blizzards WARCRAFT 3:REFORGED all over again
@@bannedinc. I wouldn’t call dark souls 1 remaster a good one
@@lunos9739 At least with Skyrim, you can still play Special Edition without the Anniversary content, though your scripts on certain mods on PC will break if you let Steam do the Anniversary update.
if they make a good remaster edition .
fans will be happy .
but when original is better than remaster edition ~
This whole game looks like a unity asset flip.
except somehow in unreal
those grass textures look like default ones you'll get tossed in when getting the SDK ffs
@@pnutz_2 I mean, even at that, I would have expected it to look better than this! It's like they couldn't decide between high fidelity graphics and the style of the original, so it just comes out looking like a mess.
Stop being so nice
I saw the gameplay footage before I knew it was an official release, I genuinely thought it was one of those cringy mods where someone just makes everything wet and reflective
it does
5:36 that reverb fart sound effect tho
The echo effect is what made that moment
This just shows how desperate they got when Mafia got it's "definitive edition".
That's exactly why the developers of Mafia chose to do it from scratch, rather than this sort of "remaster" they did with GTA. They knew that it would be impossible to recreate the original Mafia using the orignal assets, that it would not just be broken, but actually not viable commercially.
Shameful is the word I'd use to describe this thing they did here.
It would had been much more fair to the fans to just had the game fixed work perfect on modern Windows.
The irony is that 2K Games and Hangar 13, the people behind those remasters,are also under Take Two, the same parent company of Rockstar
Yeah but that Mafia 2 Definitive Edition sucked, I hope they eventually give it a proper release because it's my favorite.
Mafia Definitive Edition is the gaming equivalent of a Singer Porsche 911. This is the gaming equivalent of a v6 mustang with a fart cannon.
They used AI to finish up most of the models. That’s why they look so soulless, because you were right. They literally just didn’t care.
I’m terrified to see what they’ll do to RDR1 now.
Yep they were just grabbing the bag from rockstar. Modders will forever have more soul than the actual developers
I’m actually playing RDR1 on XBSX, and I think it really doesn’t need a remaster at all specially remasters like this that deletes contents and mess up most things
@@Moolassy finally someone who isn’t a man-child towards Fallout Frontier
People who bought the trilogy: I DEMAND REVENGE!!!!!!!
People who still believe that “violence in video games makes people violent”: join us, and you will have your revenge
People who bought the trilogy: deal
*The entire video game industry collapses because some of the gaming community couldn’t control their anger*
A RDR1 remaster should only be graphics update from the RDR1 original graphics to the RDR2 since both games uses a version of the same RAGE engine.
Anything else is just asking for trouble
the moment I saw that they used the wrong logo for a radio station in the radio wheel I knew this was going to be bad. It's such a simple thing to fix and I noticed it 30 seconds into GTA3 yet they couldn't be bothered. Really shows the amount of care that went into this. I'm glad I still own copies of the originals on multiple platforms.
Oh that’s how?
Amen to that.
Vice City could've added back the dialogue with Haitian-Cuban gang war.
I find it funny (in a bad way) how Rockstar name it a "trilogy" as if GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas are games with interconnected storyline and not a seperate games with their own environment, atmosphere, and gameplay
They where the trilogy of 3D games for the ps2.
It was released like this for ps2 sold as a bundle
they do have an interconnected storyline
@@olivercharles2930 do research
@@olivercharles2930 did you miss Rosenberg and Salvatore in SA? Or the fact that CJ worked for Joey Leone? What about LCS and VCS? Claude in SA was literally before him and Catalina went to Liberty City. Everyone knows the 3D universe is a thing. Why is this even being talked about?
@@olivercharles2930 their stories being connected IS the reason those games are classified under a "universe".
The reason they removed it from the Rockstar launcher is actually because some modders figured out the games are literally just the Renderware originals running on top of Unreal, plus these *adjustments*. The same code, same leftovers, same archives, even the disabled Hot Coffee code, it's all there. You have the very same old bugs and glitches, not a single one corrected, with new ones added by this porting process. Most of the actual porting was clearly done with automatic tools, like they literally just applied some AI upscale filter on most textures, you can find artifacts and everything. Except it was all left unprotected so Grove Street Games accidentally handed them the source code for all three games. It's a disaster.
i believe the reason they took it down is the leaked mission script and developer tools on the switch version
Looking at glitch compilations, even day 1 (2000 era) glitches still remain
As far as i remenber it isnt the first time that happens, i remenber reading about some modders that found clearly usable tags in the Mobile ports
Rockstar: There, now that we de-listed the originals they will only play the definitive edition
**Pirates of the caribean ost intensifies**
This is what goes through my head:
czcams.com/video/i8ju_10NkGY/video.html
Hats off to a Pirates of the Caribbean OST fan. We repping.
I‘m just smiling
Aren't pirates the only ones able to play right now? Considering they pulled the official version from the launcher...
@@jvg7498 Yes I am currently playing the disastrous Definitive edition through pirating.
I keep loving the segments where you turn the game volume back up to some sarcastic character dialogue in contrary to what you're saying, laughed throughout the entire video
Thanks, that is much better than the other reviews I’ve seen. Also, watching the reviews made me go through the hoops and loops of installing the OG San Andreas 1.0 and deciding to do it with the community fixes. And to never uninstall the Steam Vice City.
Same as me, my previous San Andreas playthrough i'm used Enchanced SA mod that i being recommended on Steam
Rockstar V. Bethesda
Rockstar: Remasters the same 3 games 3 different times and GTA 5 3 times, Shuts down an entire modding community before launch, Sells microtransactions to a 7-year old game
Bethesda: Remasters the same game 3 different times but with a free update, Hurts the modding community with an update, but allows SKSE devs with an early version of the update so the impact is not as bad. Sells microtransactions to a 10-year old game, but rebundles them as DLC and gives 3 of them away for free.
if you would have told me 3 years ago that Rockstar would become more greedy, incompetent, and more of a Meme than Bethesda Softworks. I would've laughed.
Rockstar basically did a Nintendo
Rockstar were already shit back in 2015/16 when they launched GTA V to PC.
Just a simple port with a broken launcher at the time. No customer support and no care for the customers, either.
Now, that's just escalated
3 years ago? That's it?
Rockstar just made Bethesda look better (not sure about 'good')
Bethesda forced that update that broke mods. They might be able to fix some of them, but that's assuming these people are willing to go back and fix their 10 year old mods to fix shit in the game that Bethesda should've fixed in the first release. At absolute minimum, Rockstar acknowledges the shit is broken and not good. Bethesda says the shit is broken and it adds to the experience so they won't change it.
"How are we gonna make the rain look?"
"Well... do you remember that static noise on analog TVs when you put in a blank VHS tape?"
The fact that someone gave it an OK is mind-boggling.
It doesn't just look like dogshit, it hinders gameplay because you can't see shit.
Yeah, it's kinda unbelievable someone saw this and said _"Yes. Looks good. I approve of this."_ The rain drops (or rather lines) look like they are almost solid white. Like it went from 95% see-through to 5% see-through. It's just way too visible, making it irritating as hell and a pain to navigate through.
It's just a simple animated .gif with transparent backgroung rofl
@@avae5343 you might have, but you must have stopped half way through or used too much automation, and no quality controll/testing and bug fixing. Is it strange that people complain about such a broken product?
@@avae5343 yeah, I totally understand and agree. The critique should absolutely be aimed at them! Sry you have to take so much crap!
"So in essence, if you wanna play these three from this point on, on a PC, your only option is gonna be..."
Me: "pirating"
GmanLives: "this definitive edition"
Me: "oh... I mean... yeah... this version and definitely not anything illegal... haha"
It's like Ubisoft and their games:
They'll release :
Standard Edition
Deluxe Edition
Ultimate Edition
But include stuff ONLY AVAILABLE in the Deluxe Edition...even though using the word "Ultimate" implies it contains the "Ultimate Compilation of Content".
Then again, Ubisoft is famous for releasing an Ultimate Edition, then a year later Re-release another Ultimate Edition for full price (and have a sale on the old ULT ED a week before they release the new ULT ED. Like with what they did with Ghost Recon Breakpoint).
The artstyle looks like a studio that's made mobile games, even botched up making a mobile game.
Funnily enough, the studio responsible for the DE Trilogy previously made the mobile port of San Andreas.
Exactly! The graphics look like mobile graphics. Puts me off completely. Feel like I’m playing on an Android or Ipad
Well....that's exactly what happened this is a mobile port
@@paperluigi6132 That version is better than the definitive one. And that says a lot.
The state they released these games in is EXACTLY what Rockstar thinks of their fanbase. If they really had any respect for their fans then there would've been some serious quality control instead of out sourcing the entire thing and calling it a day.
With how much GTA V and RDR2 made for Rockstar, they can't say they didn't have the means to hire a better team or even license the old songs. Modders usually fix a broken game within 24 hours or improve a game dramatically in a few weeks, so companies don't bother putting in the effort.
When you say that San Andreas "try to do too many things at once" In my opinion that’s what made the game fun to me because of the variety, The first GTA game I played was also three then Vice City and I would get bored after a couple hours
Definitely with you on the rain. That DAMNED rain! I planned on playing the series in order but it didn't really matter too much story-wise so went with Vice City, which is also my personal favourite other than IV (Serbian Immigrant in New York?! YES!) But although there are many setbacks from the originals and having loved GTA since the first release and still own all the original copies, even that questionable "remaster" of SA for 360, PS3 and PC, was also terrible. The planes would randomly disappear when flying overhead which was one thing I loved about the original SA was all the cool NPC things going on... CJ's sisters head being a completely different colour than her body.
Bought the Definitive on my XBOX One and so far definitely noticed small things that piss me off right off the bat, especially cars blowing up has screwed up so many missions, and again THE RAIN! But all in all, as much as there are many negative things about it, being as old as they were as mentioned, at least there was an effort in general. Lazy? Yeah, but an effort nonetheless and it is nice to be able to play them on a more modern console and still have yet to be deterred from my childhood favourite series of games other than Sly Cooper.
Being said, thank you for all your effort in making this video and I am with ya! Just hope it hasn't killed your love for them too much. GTA V on the other hand ruined mine with missing the deadline to swap my character from PS3 to XB1 and they wouldn't help so I stopped playing since I lost a year of progress of consistent playing and went with RDR2 and loved it more. Lol
Cheers to many more good vids, man! Cheers!
"Ey Rockstar, what made you flip out like that man? Was it GTA V or what?"
*"I got caught up in the Money, the Power..."*
-Rockstar Games
Everyone gonna remember my name! Rocksta..!
*dies*
@@nlrenzo9432 oh damn...... what a waste
@@sdfxd3859 Take-Two: "Rockstar Games, my man!"
@@UnknownPerson-2004 Take-Two is literally Tenpenny and Rockstar is Big Smoke.
Underrated comment
When you showed the menu for all the games using the same sound effects, i think a part of my soul died at that moment.
IKR? I mean, I heard about it in a couple of other videos, but actually seeing/hearing it....man, they butchered this series....
@@MrPrajitura atleast its fixed
@@andreasparnamets9150 that they had to release an update to fix something so simple as menu sound effects show how fuck up things are
Getting some random studio that does Android/iOS game ports to remaster GTA 3, VC & SA was a real galaxy brain move by Rockstar.
Remember people, don't give Cockstar and TrashTwo more money, either pirate their games or find old copies.
The biggest thing for me was how they sent their lawyers after people who were modding the original games that are ~20 years old by this point. Reforged screwed up a whole bunch of things, but not even Blizzard stooped that low.
Rockstar seems to have been doing anything they can to kill their fanbase
I mean blizzard basically turned all of the mods into their property which is equally bad.
@@MO_Disk good thing there are still indie titles that are good.
@@heat1235 Also a non indie game - Tetris Effect was amazing. Or just look at the BOTW devs making such a beautiful game
@@Marcelelias11 . They did a wonderful job cause they lost a 20 year fan with me. I refunded this garbage and went back to the OG Xbox versions and the Vita versions. I love that Xbox backwards compatibility
“Look how they massacred my boy”
People who bought the trilogy: I DEMAND REVENGE!!!!!!!
People who still believe that “violence in video games makes people violent”: join us, and you will have your revenge
People who bought the trilogy: deal
*The entire video game industry collapses because some of the gaming community couldn’t control their anger and thought hurting people would solve their problems with a game*
This quote has never been so appropriate.
the real massacre is GTA 6, if they ever going to release it, sometimes I think there's no GTA 6 because the team that made the GTA games set the bars so high
This is like Collection of bugs from all games In world
15:58 For a second I thought GTA 3 (bottom left) was Simpsons Hit & Run in HD 😂
I can see why, with all of the bright colors.
I still have the Original Physical copies with ALL the music.
Physical forever.
hell yeah!
Nice
Yeah man, that version rocks
old games yes, new games dont even come complete and functional on disc anymore.
From now on, just pirate it.
There's this trend now of mistaking low polycounts and low texture resolutions for being cartoony. GTA had a realistic sense to it, and the character models were more like caricatures than cartoons.
A caricature is a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
A cartoon is a caricature.
You just contradicted yourself
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style. The specific meaning has evolved over time, but the modern usage usually refers to either: an image or series of images intended for satire, caricature, or humor
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A caricature is a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way through sketching, pencil strokes, or through other artistic drawings (compare to: cartoon). Caricatures can be insulting or complimentary and can serve a political purpose or be drawn solely for entertainment. Caricatures of politicians are commonly used in editorial cartoons, while caricatures of movie stars are often found in entertainment magazines.
Enjoyed a ton of your vids, with outros always creeping me out
"Remaster" more like "unmaster"
"It's not a bug, it's a feature" taken to the extreme.
Yooo cheng teoh is here
Also Rockstar stans excuse.
Ruined exactly 300 likes. Sorry not sorry
@@handsomedio5916 I wonder how large that death toll would be if they just slumped over dead right now…
It's amazing how many times Rockstar has re-release this series and it's literally worse every time
Yeah, I can understand stuff like not being able to relicense certain songs, but I'd expect a "definitive edition" to find some other songs to replace them with, as opposed to just a void where content used to be.
As someone who never played the original vice city, tommy looks objectively the best. He looks generic but easy on the eye and quite attractive. But I’ll have to agree he looks nothing like the original idea the team had for him.
They need to remake GTA 1 and 2
Agreed.
I feel like rockstar just handed this project off to an advertisement they found on craigslist that said "We remaster any game for $50!!!"
They handed this project off to the studio who also made the disastrous GTA SA "remastered" ports several years ago.
@@kizoaoy7423 bruh
@@kizoaoy7423 instead of having one of the main studios work on it they farmed it out to some trash tier mobile game developer? and they got trash tier results, this was just a cash grab through and through.
Or just dump their sourcecode in a "We-Remaster-Your-Games" vending machine...$1 bills only accepted!
@@Holesale00 Hate to break it to you but RSG doesn't have key developers for a long time now. They source out independent cheap talent. The updates in Online are just flipped asssets that a programmer slaps together in one day. It is far evident when GTA5 was released how incosistent everything was. Lets mention one example, the models. You have one model that looks like it came out from a PS2 game, another next to it that looks like its from a PS3 era and some are even too much detailed to even be in any game let alone in an outdated mess like the Rage engine is, or wahtever the F they call it nowadays. It's like playing a sandbox messed up map in Garry's Mod using halfbaked content built by five year olds and not an actual coherent game.
"Something newer, isn't necessarily better"
That will be stuck in my head until I die.
"Old does not mean 'dead'
new does not mean 'best'
yours does not mean 'mine'
kill does not mean 'die'"
As it should be.
GTA 3 a game from 2001 Yes 2001! Is still better than its "Improved" version from 2021 its a difference of 20 years! Rockstar shoukd know War Drum Studios AKA Grove Street Games did horrible on the 10th Anniversary and they messed up again for the Definitive Edition! Mafia 1 Definitive Edition did a whole remake instead of looking like a HD Mod for GTA
so will your comma splice
Adapt or be left behind
I am really glad that you mentioned that although the environments look good. They actually don't and there is a differnce between art style and graphical quality.
And its because each game had a different vibe and they simply applied the same shiny polished textureless geometrically correct visuals on all the buildings which in turn makes each game look very samey and generic.
I think you are the only person to really pick on this in detail and the problem is if there were no bugs nobody would have mentioned this and would have just accepted it.
That's why some of the games no matter what new ones came out, you wanted to go back to because nothing was like them. For example GTA 3, I went back and played it often even after GTA Vice City, SA, 4, etc. came out and it's because the games atmosphere was not replicated in any of the other games. And it was because the music, the peds, the buildings, landscape, weapons/weapon sounds, just overall gameplay, etc.
@@GyroLamb I definitely agree. I mean if you play gta 3 now for example yes it is very dated however the game feels so dark and atmospheric with the newspapers and dead leaves moving along the floor the city fog and the fog in the sea. Also the audio changes depending on whether you are on a dock or beach. As you hear and see more birds and less cars. The opening prison break scene with the rain feels very mgs 2 like.
Also Claude gives the middle finger when he stands in front of cars.
So yeah like you said man all of the little atmospheric things really suck you into the world and it is not all about just making everything shiny.
The money's been made, the feet are up, the lights are off. Rockstar Games is no more.
I love the point you made about aesthetics vs. tech spec graphics.
Older games can still look appealing even now due to their art direction & aesthetics even if they're dated tech wise.
The Zelda Windwaker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword are probably some good examples of preserving aesthetics in a remaster imo
Which is hilarious because the OG games weren't very pretty.
In the past: you make do with that you have, even if it werent top notch graphics, you made it work just good.
Today: You are just trying to slap the most realistic textures, you dont care about if it fits or not, if it looks realistic. Even if you could have made a better game if it was more stylized...
@@drifter402 Well sorta. The originals weren't ever the best looking games, even at the time.
But the games did still carry a bit of atmosphere with their coloring and effects, especially on the PS2. SA on PS2 has a certain bit of soul that's missing in the other versions with its color usage and heat haze.
@@VexAcer well of course. It's not a complaint they were open world games running on PS2.
The rain effect is genuinely fucking cursed.
It's painfully obvious that it's just an overlay, and as you said so well,you literally can't see shit when it rains
yo tomato pfp
I just pirated GTA sa
I watched your GTA IV video and now this, have to say you really put effort analyzing things and defining them. Earned a Sub!
If they gave this treatment to this three huge masterpieces makes you wonder what their smaller, less popular games will get.
Hopefully nothing. It's pretty apparent that this was a total quick-cash grab; re-release our most popular games with a few new "enhancements" and throw a modern price tag on it and call it a day. They've probably forgotten about Bully, Red Dead Revolver, the Midnight Club series, etc so they won't be touched and shouldn't be touched if this is the quality we can expect from R⭐️ from now on
Don't care what the other titles will get. I'm pre-passing on them shits.
They get canned like Bully 2
Ignored by fans
At this point I don't want new Midnight Club or Bully series. It'll be shitfest for sure from Cockstar
Or even GTA 6
That "cars exploding much sooner" thing sounds like a Frames Per Second issue. The old games would have calculated time in frames, so when say 200 frames pass from the moment a vehicle ignites it explodes. at 20 fps this would take 10 seconds. At 60? A bit over three seconds. No idea what the actual numbers are, but I hope that helps!
they could have reconfigured the frames, its not even a hard thing to do, but im sure they didnt even touch the code
It's a good theory
Good point
@@uberbosst there are mods that have fixed that, actually
Didn't something happen with their bad PC updates
Always wanted to play these games on switch but I wish they just ported the original versions instead. At least you can still get the OG versions on PC
17:43 You right mate its embarrassing me...
CJ: "Things have changed around here!"
"How'd it get so bad?
Big Smoke: "Straight back into the game, right dog?"
"Was it this bad before you left?"
GTA Players: Ain't this families turf?
Rockstar: Yeah, game mods families turf, we don't roll with them no more.
Grove Street... home.
At least it was before Rockstar fucked everythang up.
I got caught up in the money...the power. I don't give a shit. - Rockstar
"Minimum Viable Product"
The goal in AAA is maximizing profit. Making a decent game is an afterthought, if that.
The problem is not maximizing profit. Is that we accept games that are NOT decent. Dont give them money, see how fast they actually try to make a good game.
@@johnx140 The even bigger problem is that most people don't care as much as we do and they don't want to care. To them, it really is as deep as "I want the thing, so I get the thing."
Reject modernity, return to indie.
@@johnx140 Humans are retarded… it will never happen.
Maximising profit and making good games used to be synonymous. Then the mobile games attacked.
When modders did an even greater job than the company itself💀
Yep, fkin hell
Wouldn't be the first time, frankly. Kinda makes you wonder if it's actually a good thing that there are so many tech savvy people out there that can - and will - fix half-baked products for lazy devs.
Glad to see you are still around Gman.
This whole tactic of coming out with a “remastered edition” of an old game that’s either barely an upgrade from the original or even a downgrade from the original, selling it at full price and then delisting the original so you’re forced to pay for the new full price “remaster” is getting disappointingly common. It’s just nothing but pure greed from the developers designed to cash in on old IPs by putting in almost no effort.
GTA Definitive, Dark Souls prepare to die edition, Kingdoms of Amalur: Rereckoining... I’m getting sick of it.
Lazy Cash Grab: Definitive Remastered HD Re-Grabbed Edition
100%
I'm tired of it too.
You go to any youtube video of any old game and you will see people say stupid things like "wow this game deserves a remaster" or "the devs should remake this game" and other things.
It's like they're begging for the devs to feed them poison intentionally.
I'm sure the developers have no fault in this, this is clearly R* business side. I'd be pissed too if I was a developer of the OG games, and knew that your game is going to be replaced by an inferior version of it.
Yes it's disgusting. And the fact they're sueing modders for.their hard effort and love for the game.. for this lazy slop they couldn't be bothered with... It's absolutely disgusting,
How to definitively ruin not one but three games
Me having PTSD from the Silent Hill hd collection.
@Itch-HeSay true
People who bought the trilogy: I DEMAND REVENGE!!!!!!!
People who still believe that “violence in video games makes people violent”: join us, and you will have your revenge
People who bought the trilogy: deal
*The entire video game industry collapses because some of the gaming community couldn’t control their anger and thought hurting people would solve their problems with a game*
@@uria3679 injecting marijuanas made me commit war crimes in a small island in the west indies
14:54 "the sky is blue, the grass is green and I eat three square meals if you know what I mean"
"All you had to do, was make a good game, Grove Street Games"
“The only thing definitive about this edition, is that it definitively made me wanna get my money back” 😂😂😂
San Andreas is the only game that has a checkpoint system in the game, meaning if you die you can start from the latest mission checkpoint instead of restarting the mission. That's why SA doesn't show cutscenes after you die.
This just goes to show that more modern, technically impressive and/or detailed graphics doesn't necessarily mean better.
in fact it rarely does.
Because graphics are only addiction to story, gameplay and atmosphere. Not a single game became classic and widely loved by a public just because it's graphics. And also even modern ultra-detalized, ray-traced, super-puper graphics 10 years later will became obsolete crap comparing to that technical level of graphics that will be contemporary in future.
back in my day i called ppl who cared about grahics as grahics whores, cause story, game play etc matter most
How many times do we need to say gameplay over graphics? It's why people still play tic tac toe. If you want graphics you watch a movie.
I'm enjoying San andreas, probably cause it's free on gamepass and I didn't have to pay for it. The controls more than make up for the bugs. I can finally beat the low rider race without rage quitting.
Rockstar should have hired the mod community to make these remasters, not shut them down. This is embarrassing.
Funny thing is that It would actually be cheaper too, all the work is already done, they are probably fans so they will be happy to work with you and you just need to give them the same money you did to the idiots who had to buy some U4 licenses, "make" the models and assets for said Engine
It's weird I read that comment in Ryder's voice.
@@dkrampage2933 Exactly. Great points.
@@RegBeta Hehe I didn't mean to.
@RegBeta haha right?
Me looking at the Definitive Edition in my library: It's embarrassing to be seen wit you!
Gotta say, tapping the run button was a thing in the original. You tapped it to conserve stamina, I'm pretty sure that was even an official tip in the guide book
Only on console.
@cosmicsatanas are you ok?
First thing I did was download
1.Rain Fix
2.Draw Distance Fix
3.Sound fix for each gane corresponding to their og counterpart
4.Font pack
5. Road Texture for 3 and VC
6. Xbox Pack for 3 texture
7. High res Texture for SA
8. Color fix for Radio icons and Map 🗺️ legends to match the art 🎨 style of the games
9. The Environment effective fix for 3 like Greenish 🍏 and gritty , colorful Poppy 🩷 for VC, weather for SA and the iconic Orange 🍊 haze
10. COMPLETELY FORGOT the Appropriate Water 🌊💦 Texture for each Fukin game
You know what's worse?
The people who made the mobile GTA games, literally ported the mobile game to the consoles and pc, and have the audacity to charge it full price... it gets worse, the director doesn't care at all, neither does Take two
I'm not surprised, and I knew it was trash because they didn't show gameplay
monopoly
The game never looked good to begin with
Idk why but I had a feeling this wasn’t gonna live up to the hype and I didn’t even have that info having the Mobile game and charge it as a console game, that’s fucked up either way you look at it
I know right? Its scummy behavior.
Let me advocate for the poor modders who got sued by Take Two and Rockstat Games. Their mods would've had *less* bugs than this mess. And they release them for free, most of the times...
Totally agree. I don't PC so haven't played any, but I've seen plenty in action over the years.
Well that was more about the modders getting sued for unlocking porn scenes already present in the game. Just making them accessible to the player.
That caused the games to have their ratings move to AO from M which pissed off Rockstar and lots of suing happened. The end result is Rockstar paid out $20 million, removed the "spilt coffee" and refuse to ever mention it's previous existence pretending that it never happened at all.
@@the8thark lmao , in the "definitive version" they still havent removed the pron scene code since they that lazy...
Guys it's almost year since this travesty released, can't believe it, Rockstar has truly fell off
I have my PS2 plugged into my 58" Vizio and love replaying Vice City and LCS
This looks like an emulator and a modder tried to "smooth" the polygons
The ones responsible for these definitive editions were really lazy.
Don't muddle the names of the Modders they can and HAVE made mods that look infinitely better than this
@@erfanthered9801 dont deny there is alot of shitty mods though....
@@fatesDeath there's a lot of third rate engineers in the world too, doesn't stop planes from being a cool thing.
@@slyseal2091 true, but there are shitty planes out there though...
Rockstar is just showing us how little they care for their own franchise, and how much more they love money.
Gta Online is a good example too
little care for the franchise? I mean why would they? these games are +15 years old, they have nothing to prove to anyone other than making people buy the game TWICE after almost 2 decade. think about it, what harm are they going to experience? a bunch of crybabies complaining that the remaster isn't good? they're old games, what do you expect. they already postponed gta 6, why would they create more work for themselves and invest time and resources on remaking three old games??? you do realize they didn't need to do this LMAO because at the end of the day everyone will still buy GTA 6, regardless of how the trilogy was received, which is what they care most about. it's business stop crying lol
@@Doober117 Because if you truly care about your product you’re gonna make sure it’s playable or fills all the boxes that you need to make it successful. This is a very half assed remaster of three old games, I think those that came in with high expectations shouldn’t have because at the end of the day these are older games, but Rockstar could have definitely put in more effort and polished them up way better than they did. So basically you’re saying they didn’t have to dedicate a lot of resources on this project because they have GTA 6 coming on the way, you do realize that it’s been almost a decade since they released a Grand Theft Auto game? They couldn’t have done a better job than this? They might as well have not even dropped this if I’m going off of your point. Basically dollars speak over quality that’s what you’re saying, and that’s a bad business model because you gotta remember that these were the games that put Rockstar on the map. I don’t like this new age ‘hopefully they fix x,y, and z in a patch’ why is shit broken to begin with?
@@michaelj450 you’re 100% correct they’re taking almost 10 years to come out with the next gta installment so why would they burden themselves with extra work??? Again you realize that they cashed out on this trilogy cause dopes like you actually bought the game, so you honestly think they’re sweating cause you nerds are complaining about it??? Nah man cause like I said in my previous comment, you’ll still buy gta6 when it comes out and that’s what they’re aiming for. And it’s most definitely not a bad business model if they sold you basically the same game and cashed out. Business 101 my guy. Stop crying about it and move on. You’ll be paying them for gta 6 in no time LMAO
@@Doober117 I ain’t buy the definitive trilogy, jokes aint on me at all. Played San Andreas through Xbox Game Pass, like how you assumed I did though. Jokes on Rockstar themselves for dishing out a half assed product. Business 101, if a product isn’t good, your consumers probably ain’t gonna come back and wanna purchase from you again. Sometimes franchises or companies get too popular for their own good, might be the case here. Fuck you mean burden themselves with extra work they put the extra work on themselves so they better make sure they can handle that pressure. They made the choice to drop this so why not go all in? How you gonna drop a product and be like well we have other projects we are working on so that’s why this came out like shit, that’s HORRIBLE business. Feel bad for anyone who would have to work with or under you.
Damn it lad, you got me at 13:35! xD
3:27
I don't know what cinematic about is but if you're talking about restart from checkpoints in Vice City and III doesn't work and just starts from the beginning of the Mission with the Cutscene but there's no Issues in San Andreas, I think it's because the 10th Anniversary or Mobile Port of Vice City and III doesn't have Checkpoints System yet until San Andreas, I haven't played SA 10th Anniversary and DE Trilogy yet but I remember SA 10th Anniversary having checkpoints in the game, not sure
oh also GSG made all these 6 games and DE Trilogy came from the Mobile Ports making it way worst
Remember when Bluepoint remade Shadow of the Colossus? Improving every single aspect of the game while taking the utmost care to retain the character and greatness of the original PS2 game…this is the opposite of that ☺️
Bluepoint is on a streak when it comes to remakes. They're definitely a company to keep an eye on.
They also did the remasters for the Uncharted trilogy too, which were all really good.
They also making a great MGS 2 & 3 HD remaster too! Fuck, don't forget the Demon Souls Remake
Kept the gameplay same too...
@@MrStimpson38 I'm pretty sure that because bluepoint garnered such good faith with the companies it worked with that they're being made into a full on studio by Sony that will work on their own games now. I may be mis-remembering, but I'm sure that's the case.
To think-Rockstar killed the GTA visual modding community for this.
@@Dr-Shite-Kicker and probably taking the credit for fixing it.
Cool video. Nest way to play these is still , after all these years , is buying the discs and playing them on a PS2.
Also,I'm certain you could choose to free aim, by a setting in the menu, on San Andreas. If i remember i always did that to make it more of a challenge
Looks like his Vice City review is no longer up on CZcams. =( EDIT: It actually is, it just doesn't pop up when you search it on CZcams for some reason.
Jeez, that raining night gameplay is just impossible to discern.
i dont have epilepsy, but i damn near had a stroke from trying to see what was what in that fucking Bukake of a rainstorm!
@@zerrierslizer1 ain't gay enough to play that shit
Rockstar: "Lookin' for somethin' special? I got what you need!"
Gives DE and takes away the originals
Rockstar: "Thanks for the money sucka!"
Lmaooo
I watched that video
When this came out back in 2021 I wrote to Rockstar support to complain about the game not being available and asked for a code so I could maybe play it on xbox as some small compensation and their reply was something along the lines of ”Sorry to hear you have problems, we’ve refunded you and removed the game from your account.” I made them undo it and a year later when I did ask for a refund Rockstar just said ”We’re sorry but due to you already recieving a refund we can not issue a refund but of you want we can remove the game from your account.” Before anyone asks, my first refund was undone when they restored the game the first time.
Ok
If they just did the remakes in the rage engine using GTA 5 assets they could have been great. Vice city, Majoras mask and Fallout newvegas all were made using prior assets from previous titles and were all done in under 18 months and were all considered the best of their franchise.
They got rid of Vice City's orignal selection screen?! That selection screen was cool: it looked like something from a 1980's music video. The background changed when a different menu was selected.
The PS2 versions are the definitive versions
No cut songs, no patched missions
As intended
Og Xbox versions run a little better too, why remaster something that was already perfect?
Facts.
+ filters that arent in a single other version (especially vc). This also counts for Bully (and a multitude of other multiplatform games).
@@yenkocamaro6965 PlayStation 2 was the console that everyone played on, so as usual Xbox was a joke.
@@yenkocamaro6965 IMO the Xbox versions were a bit gimmicky
The GTA3 Xbox versions had those high res hands that were... interesting
But the Xbox versions were definitely better than the anniversary editions or the "definitive" editions