Are the Risks of Religious Trauma Worth It?? Call John Gleason & Janice Selbie | SkepTalk 07.08.24
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Jimmy - you're a fantastic advert for Atheism. Well done 👏
He also needs to spend less time making gormless assumptions about countries he hasn’t a clue about, and look into the vile actions inflicted on Nigeria by the church. Imagine the “loving” results such as the spread of AIDS, genocide, slavery, thought policing and suchlike.
But sure, let’s just believe a snake oil salesman making their mate walk again on CZcams.
I did not know about Janice and I love her now
John could be a chat bot.
@@mud-uc2il LOL no he couldn't. Bots aren't that advanced.
Thank you, Faia. Amazing as always 🎉
Thanks faia ❤️👍😊
Wonderful Faia, thanks ever so much, again.
Jimmy is a perfect example of why i hate christian colonialism
I think recently African bishops said they won't accept the Pope's rules on blessing gay people. Europe exported their bigotry to Africa, and now we can't undo the damage.
I find it interesting that Jimmy brought up how religious Africa is and yet complained about how successful America is in comparison and yet seemed to imply it was our Christian foundation that made America so well off. If that's true why isn't it helping you when America is full of Atheists?
If God supported those who worshipped him why does he love us so much more?
I want to show Jimmy the chart that shows the more religious a nation is the worse off it is and then point at the African countries at the bottom with the highest religion and lowest prosperity. And America off by itself with high religion and high prosperity as it we somehow succeeded despite being rabidly religious.
So apparently praying for God to fix your country's problems is the least likely thing to help.
You know what seems to help a country? Scientific and technological process. Supportive communities that don't weaponize religion against their neighbors. Secular education.
I would love to see Janice more often in the future, this was a great show!
Jimmy... you pray for us, and we'll think for you.
Ah man thats brutal 🙈
They didn’t make it up themselves, but I always love that line.
Holy hell, was Jimmy all over the place.
The call with Jimmy was very unsatisfying because the hosts were a little soft, and haven't been doing this for very long.
I encourage Jimmy to call Matt and the actual Jimmy when they're on. That call will have potential to be one of the all time greats.
Why did you want to see them be hard on Jimmy? I thought Janice did great showing how unthreatened she felt and trying to push past Jimmy's defensiveness. I somehow think that's the better road for that caller. There's not much to be gained in my eyes by 'dominating' ignorant callers.
@@Disentropic1 there's value in swiftly showing just how and why such callers are talking like idiots, just as there is in showing how the atheist is in fact the "bigger man"
@@Aliensjpg Personally, I think that understanding what's motivating the caller would require being patient and trying to get them to elaborate that for you. When he started ranting about how "god is what we have" in Nigeria, it sounded like we were starting to get down to why the caller was "talking like an idiot" in this case, and that's not something you could've brought out by analyzing and critiquing his prior comments with logic. We did find out, more than we possibly could've by any sort of one-sided atheist rant, what was actually behind the caller's thinking and attitude. If anything, I'd have liked to learn _more_ about how religious belief is motivated in places like Nigeria - what the main problems are and how religion fills the societal gaps. Frankly, just digging in on his 'logic' is not nearly such a useful or informative direction to take it. You don't often get callers with that sort of perspective, so why not learn something?
I have heard GE tear into some bigots (one time with Forrest was particularly epic). I think Jimmy is going to be another repeat caller so will experience all the hosts over time.
Jimmy might be misguided and confused but he sound genuinely sincere as Janice said. Jimmy needs kind and gentle hosts not like Matt. And it'd be foolish to think that we can help people like Jimmy in one go.
I am so glad I never believed there was a god.
Oh you missed all the fun. The feeling of relief and joy after abandoning that stupid belief, that's priceless.
To John the caller, yes when we die our body feeds other living things. We become worm food.
I agree that's what's supposed to happen but people like my parents were buried in sealed coffins within sealed vaults because they believed they would arise and they had to keep their bodies intact. I have made it clear to the rest of my family that I do not want that type of burial. I want a cheap, decomposable coffin so that my body can indeed become part of the earth and nourishment for other living things.
I thought Janice did great!
1:06:30 Bro was so surprised at being muted he got reset lmfao
Unfortunate is when somebody is so wrapped into their imaginary beliefs that they "pity" those that can think for themselves!
Jimmy from NY sounds like the same peerl clutcher who was throwing a fit over Aron's Satanic flag. 😂
It is
Hey Jimmy, my book says " Ye who quotes Psalms 13 has a 2 incher."
I quote proverbs 21 and I have a 5 incher on a good day....😢
Nah, only a 1 incher.
I read science books and I'm hung like a horse?
But do you have the emissions of a donkey?
(To be pedantic, that should be genitals of a donkey and emissions of a horse. Messes up the joke, but I'm not constitutionally capable of not making the clarification.)
Mine says your mum's gay.
I love Janice's way of dealing with Jimmy's unhinged rants, but I'd like to see John lean a little more on that Mute button purely because I think that callers that don't listen shouldn't be allowed to speak over the hosts.
@@marcosolo6491 I feel like if there's a good conversation going on, the ability for callers to interject and talk back immediately is good, but it's a problem when you have a caller whose only interest is in shouting their beliefs as confidently as possible,.
Jimmy just demonstrated one of the clinical sign of psychiatric disorder: Pressure of speech
OMFG, Jimmy has blasphemised the other 3,000 + gods
I dont think mouse understands what thought-terminating clichés are... when you hear someone start to say something you disagree with, if you reflexively jump in to cut someone off saying "virtue signaling" you've already shut off your brain and arent thinking or being genuine. zero thoughts terminated at the first hint of conflict. An all good being wouldnt be that petty so why are you?
As an atheist I feel the desperation theists display isn’t about saving us but defeating the conflict and doubt in their own minds.
Jimmy really is taking the shotgun spray and pray method of argumentation.
What a contrast John was - respectful and decent 😊
I have seen hell too. It was a room full of people like Jimmy (the caller, not the host)
33:58 Well said Janice - I've had that experience and that's very accurate. (Trigger warning)
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In my case, I didn't so much witness a car crash, but the burnt out remains of a car that got rammed by an out of control vehicle. Fire dept. had only just put out the fire when my colleague and I arrived to close down the road for recovery, repairs and police investigation. While doing so, the cover the firefighters had put over the burnt out wreckage got caught in the wind a bit revealing the remains of the two people that were inside. We were focused on doing our jobs, worked about 9 hours near that accident site until about 1AM -- we got sent home because there was planned work at 6AM the next morning. For me, it wasn't easy to deal with that image and the feelings that came with it. I was quiet and out of sorts for a week. It's been over five years and I can still picture it in my mind, though not as clearly as before. My colleague it hit much harder by comparison; the next day, he broke down in tears mentioning it and couldn't function.
The initial response at work by management was quite negative; just laughing it off and back to work with you. When actual medical professionals attached to the organisation got wind of it, they had talks with both of us and ended up sending my colleague home for a couple of weeks with counseling. I was fine after a week or two.
About a month later, a car crashed in a very similar way near a local hospital (this one a onesided accident), no fire but also a fatality. Neither of us had been anywhere near it, but we both read about it. My colleague couldn't sleep at night, reliving the trauma from seeing the other wreck and it didn't impact me at all.
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Sorry for that monologue. Talking about it has helped me immensely to give it a place.
On an earlier episode I said John did a bad job because he didn’t mute or push back on absurd callers enough. I think he was good at that this time, and I hope he keeps it up.
Excellent job U2 were awesome tonight
1:31:50 I was really glad to hear that caller John thinks he largely gets respect from atheists. If most of his conversations are like this one, he deserves it. And that just goes to show that if an atheist does respect a theist, maybe the theist is the problem?
1:06:36 John channels his inner Lionel Ritchie
Janice reminds me of Godless Granny. Sitting there with a grand smile.
The ending comment on Jimmy's call was about concern for his desperation.
To caller John: I was raised as an Episcopalian. Over the many years, even as my views became ever more distant and vague, I always felt I was still within the broad framework of that denomination. It was learning more and more about the most hideous things in the bible - the bulk of the bible, which most priests and pastors avoid like the devil, that I realized an all-knowing all-powerful god would have never allowed that crap in his book.
And by the same token, ANY such omni god would not allow the bible and other religious texts that DON'T speak for him to exist. Such a god would have created a simple easy-to-understand SHORT book, not open to all sorts of different interpretations. ONE book with his stamp of approval. The fact we see the EXACT opposite means either any such god is a complete and utter failure OR simply doesn't exist.
What happened to me was that I deconstructed long before the internet and had decided to find out where and when in human history the god Yahweh began to be believed as "the god" and as I researched the origins, what I found made it completely impossible to believe not only in Yahweh as real, but all gods humans have ever come up with. The history of how the Hebrews came to adopt one of the sons of El, the high Canaanite god, as their god is interesting and makes the whole of the OT, stories of which were adapted from earlier myths, absurd. Also, researching early Christianity made that spinoff of Judaism shows the evolution of thought of a desperate group of people under an oppressive Roman rule.
Laura, if you ever see this. I live in Aotearoa and would love to be your friend.
Mouse calling in with a voice changer. Similar to another caller recently; name escapes me, one of the calls claimed to be child of atheists converted and scared of telling parents.
Jimmy, if God is above man's reasoning; how can you say that you know anything about him?
1:27:23 - @John I don't know if you are reading this, but the first law of thermodynamics does state (kinda) that energy "cannot be created or destroyed" in the sense that the total energy of closed systems is always constant and doesn't fluctuate. What you are missing is "closed systems". That is very important because we do not know if our local universe is a closed system. Maybe energy escapes through the black holes or something crazy like that. Actually the universe is probably an "isolated" system (not a closed one), because it doesn't seem to exchange energy with anything around it, because the universe doesn't seem to have any "surroundings".
Long story short, don't learn science from apologists. Details matter a lot when talking about this stuff
I didn’t recognize John until he got to “shoot pool and drink a couple of Budweisers…”
That’s clearly a creed he’s developed. I like it. 😂
Moause says virtue signaling?
About sexual religious trauma
Um crazy bull shit
An old call had a Jamaican argue for a solid 20 minutes and finally comprehend the hosts don't believe the bible. She said, "wait wait wait wait. You don't believe the bible is true? " as though it blew her mind. She thought they just denied god out of stubbornness or something. This is not atypical of people raised into extreme belief systems.
Jimmy from Nigeria is rude and confused
Would love to see Janice on the show in the future.
Could you imagine a heaven full of Jimmy-the-motor-mouths?
I don't think the Jimmys of this world are trying to save our souls. These are the smug people who are looking forward, with glee, on the idea that they will eventually see us squirm and scream in anguish for eternity. They anticipate they will be able to laugh and tell us "told you so!"
Jimmy’s getting a lot of energy from those tasty crayons.
Mouse was so stuck in the ideology and blinded by their beliefs. Being rude to others feels like a defence mechanism for them to avoid thinking too much beyond the religious doctrine. That way, they never look behind the curtain.
Allow me to sum up Jimmy's call...ahem...
"hallow?"
Jimmy 😢
John n janice great hosts ❤❤❤💪💪💪
energy dispersal via decomposition
I'm starting to think we're pretty much done here. Every show seems to have the same malding, loser thiests and prank callers and not a single bit of actual argument among them. I guess the eternal debate is over and theists have proven they have literally nothing to offer.
Jimmy (Nigeria)
I hope you come to your senses before you die.
Those Christian missionaries really have done a job on the African continent. Most of them already believed in magic stuff so more but different magic wasn't that big of a leap. Sad about places like where Jimmy came from are hotbeds of immense and intense Christianity and Islam is also a problem where they exist there.
I think you were missing the point about "priming", he was specifically referring to intentionally using scientifically proven subliminal methods to manipulate people to influence their beliefs/behavior
1:28:14 That guy doesn’t even know what “energy” in the context of thermodynamics and science is. He uses the word “energy” in the woo-woo way.
I jump to thinking the caller is a troll way too often.
Why aren't there any Secular trauma therapists who accept State-based insurance?
The energy of the body (heat) is absorbed into surrounding material, i.e. wood, soil, air, etc., just like animals. Correct?
Janice: you say your coins don’t have “in god we trust” or any of that silliness, but that’s not quite true. Your coins have either D.G. Regina or D.G. Rex, which means Dei Gratia Regina or Rex, which in English means By the grace of god, Queen (or King).
My previous comment applies to Jimmy NY in spades, what a nasty clown.
Jimmy really tried to speed run every apology and fallacy known to man😂
If you make enough claims, fast enough, then clearly what you're claiming is true.
Jimmy is…chef’s kiss. God has done so much for Africa!
@GE... yes the Bible contains NUMEROUS prohibitions against interracial marriage... in Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Judges, Ezra, Nehemiah, Kings, etc. etc. etc.... many many verses where interracial marriage is even punished by death in some of them and by the wrath of Yahweh in many and commands to throw out the wives AND THE CHILDREN of such marriage
HELLO!? Lolol
"science is unreliable because it changes" ... um... Jimmy buddy... that is ... very sad to say...
it is frustrating when people want things to stay stagnant all the time. just hold on to the archaic ideas. sometimes i feel we should have different rules for these kinds of people. to hold them by the archaic rules. .... but.... im not that cruel. 🙃
Has Jimmy ever used a telephone before? Hello!
What about "novus ordo seclorum" on money?
My fugio cent says mind your business on it. Created by Benjamin Franklin
Jimmy sounds absolutely brainwashed. Everything he said is totally insane, my gawd
I am requesting Jimmy to lay off the caffeine or whatever is making him talk so frantically I can barely follow
Why do they waste time trying to talk with somebody like mouse..move on..
To a real caller....
John needs to stop being soft with these rude callers..john be the person That I know you are...put these theist in their place...it's ok man...you can't have people disrespecting guests like that....it's your duty to stop them..the guest are new..you don't just laugh it off like that....matt...arden..or jimmy would rip them a new one...do better john.
“I’ll pray for you”
Yeah…..right….have you ANY idea at all as to how rude, arrogant and ignorant that makes you appear to be? 🤦♂️
Don't make claims on subject that you clearly no nothing about: Clim,ate Change.
The hosts let Jimmy ramble and preach on for way too fucken long. His gishgallop of bullshit was pathetic and the fact that they let like half the stuff just sweep by was not good. The guy was clearly uneducated and was simply asserting thing after thing. I get the hosts want to be nice, but too permissive isn't good.
@GE.... Jews are not a race... there are Jews of all colors and regions... there are black and brown and white and Asian and Persian and Arab and Indian and Ukrainian and Russian and German and and Jews with distinct cultures according to the geographic region they are from and different foods and dress and even religious nuances.
Judaism is a religion just like Islam and Christianity... there is not such thing as a Jewish race EVEN ACCORDING TO THE Bible.
Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were MYTHICAL just like Aladdin... but... also like Aladdin they were from Sumer...they were Sumerian according to the Bible.... but they lived in Egypt (all 72 of them mostly men with their mothers and sister) for 430 years... how do you think they became a race of anything that is not a mixture of Egyptian and Sumerian... at the very least.
IN WHICH YOU USED TO WALK WHEN YOU CONFORMED TO THE WAYS OF THIS WORLD AND OF THE RULER OF THE POWER OF THE AIR, THE SPIRIT WHO IS NOW AT WORK IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE.
- EPHESIANS 2:2
LOUD NOISES
If you do not believes, you will be destroyed.
In Jesus we trust in my a****** he thrusts 😂😂😂 jesus destroyed my bumbum😂😂😂
Oh no!
Trump 2024!!
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Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them.
What are you even trying to say??? 🤦
John the caller if that bibles legit….lol… well then buddy you are going to hell.. lmao
@GE.... Jews are not a race... there are Jews of all colors and regions... there are black and brown and white and Asian and Persian and Arab and Indian and Ukrainian and Russian and German and and Jews with distinct cultures according to the geographic region they are from and different foods and dress and even religious nuances.
Judaism is a religion just like Islam and Christianity... there is not such thing as a Jewish race EVEN ACCORDING TO THE Bible.
Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were MYTHICAL just like Aladdin... but... also like Aladdin they were from Sumer...they were Sumerian according to the Bible.... but they lived in Egypt (all 72 of them mostly men with their mothers and sister) for 430 years... how do you think they became a race of anything that is not a mixture of Egyptian and Sumerian... at the very least.