As a child I was hit by my father but have very few memories of my childhood. I do recall switching off. This continued into adult life when I found myself in difficult situations, usually at work. I've never cut myself but my form of gaining sensation that I had control over was to do some very dangerous things including fighting. I took up skydiving and motorcycling which made me feel alive and stopped my drug taking. I still have issues dealing with emotions and feelings at 60.
To be honest I resonate so much with this form of thinking that I will certainly look into his books. Backed up by neurobiology and a drive to help patients overcome affective dysregulation and developmental trauma.
Very well explained the positive correlation between trauma & dissociation. Elaborate Psychopathology formation with the help of board work could be more helpful. Thanks😊
The best treatment is addressing the nervous system of the patient and the vagus nerve as pointed out by Stanley Rosenberg Book Accessing the healing power of the Vagus nerve, other resources that point to becoming aware of the state of the body whether it be in coregulation or in a dorsal state can be accessed by Deb Dana, and vagus nerve reset exercises very well explained by Sukie Baxter on youtube. Most other therapies are falling quite behind like the middle ages.
Agreed. Excellent resource shares - they've all been helpful to me as well. The polyvagal theory has been a game-changer for me! After over a decade approaching my healing work dealing with developmental/complex pts from a largely cognitive perspective I stumbled across the polyvagal theory while researching digestive issues related to trauma. Then came understanding of the biology at play and further on to bringing awareness to the somatic aspect of my lived experiences - I had no idea how out of my own body and self I had become due to the trauma! Just knowing that it's biology at work allowed me to process a great deal of the shame I was carrying - and shame is superglue for trauma! Now, even after just beginning to dip my toe into yoga and body-consciousness I've somehow managed to engage with the innate ability to process the trauma in an ongoing manner - I can't quite explain it yet, but it feels as though I've engaged with whatever process is occurring during EMDR sessions, except it's all the time now- definitely intense at times, but thanks to building skills based on perspectives like Dr. Porge's, Deb Dana's, Pat Ogden, Kathy Kain and others I'm building up capacity in resilience (widening my window of tolerance) along with it. This is taking my mindfulness practice to a whole other level - my entire body. I feel almost stupid for having worked so hard in developing mindfulness but didn't know to apply it to my body too. This is probably why CBT was like torture to me, because my subconscious and body were screaming at me for attention and I just was so unaware. Dr Schore's explanation here is another missing piece for me in differentiating cognitive and somatic dissociation - like the diff in manifestations/needs between event/shock trauma and developmental/complex trauma - a great deal of similarities, but ultimately quite different in how we need to approach them. Knowing this helps us to enlist truly appropriate assistance when needed and can help avoid wasted energy, time, resources, and moreover, any further harm by inappropriate therapeutic alliances/relationships, modalities/approaches. Apologies for the long-winded ramble here - I hope it was a useful rant, nonetheless.
I should also add that as Dr. Porges emphasizes, we should endeavor whenever possible to use language that is supportive to people seeking help in understanding and finding meaning in their lived experiences of mental distress, rather than pathologizing or otherwise bringing judgment on. I see these as being evolutionary holdouts that ultimate obscure both meaning and healing, keeping the individual and society in an intergenerational trauma loop. A diagnosis can be most helpful initially when one is in the beginning of their healing journey, but they are subjective opinions on another person's subjective experience, not the word of the almighty - maybe rule of the mob, but not necessarily the truth of a person's lived experiences. So, as much sense as Dr Schore makes in regard to trauma itself here, his use of BPD further obscures the complex trauma and subsequent history/context of the myriad manifestations thereof. Society wants to blame you for your biology but ignore it's relational aspect to you and your biology - the underpinnings of intergenerational trauma baked right into the "helping professions"
At 530. Oh My. This is profound to me to hear. It's how I experienced vulnerable. It was as if - no it was that I was damned if i do and damned if I don't. She had something for me either way. I've had ongoing intermittent therapy since age 20-30. I was in core issue group for seven years and excellent helpful 100%. But was just the tip of the iceburg really. FF 2021, I am DID. I've denied it for over a year but they revealed to me something I couldn't deny any longer they were too in my face. lol I was terrified and managed to not panic full blown w breathing and counting, logicl self talk. But hearing at 530 what happens when your try for comfort. It is scary. I don't think I could withstand knowing what I don't know just leaving it where it is contained. The memories I do have of very early ages before six years old are like at the beginning of some event frightening or painful or both or worse then the amnesia's onset blanks me out. I am hving trouble finding a therapist, covid has closed some clinics.
This guy gives me no hope when I listen to him. I've been disassociated for 12 years and never once have been suicidal. I'm looking for solutions not your analytical rambling
Try downloading the kindle sample of “The Haunted Self, Chronic Traumatization and the Treatment of Structural Dissociation”. Best book I’ve read on the healing of trauma. It’s like a textbook, written for therapists by three therapists with a combined 65 years of experience. Good luck.
I think Peter Levine PhD is the man. listen to some CZcamss of him. Then find a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner (SEP) who is trained in his method and see how you feel about their therapy.
As a child I was hit by my father but have very few memories of my childhood. I do recall switching off. This continued into adult life when I found myself in difficult situations, usually at work. I've never cut myself but my form of gaining sensation that I had control over was to do some very dangerous things including fighting. I took up skydiving and motorcycling which made me feel alive and stopped my drug taking. I still have issues dealing with emotions and feelings at 60.
Did you DRINK 🍻🍷 DO DRUGS, DEVELOP ADDICTIONS?☠️😭😭💊💉🍻🍷
To be honest I resonate so much with this form of thinking that I will certainly look into his books. Backed up by neurobiology and a drive to help patients overcome affective dysregulation and developmental trauma.
Very well explained the positive correlation between trauma & dissociation. Elaborate Psychopathology formation with the help of board work could be more helpful. Thanks😊
excellent lecture by Dr Allan Schore very informative and explains many things so accurately and intelligently thank you
Ditto 🙏😇❤
The best treatment is addressing the nervous system of the patient and the vagus nerve as pointed out by Stanley Rosenberg Book Accessing the healing power of the Vagus nerve, other resources that point to becoming aware of the state of the body whether it be in coregulation or in a dorsal state can be accessed by Deb Dana, and vagus nerve reset exercises very well explained by Sukie Baxter on youtube. Most other therapies are falling quite behind like the middle ages.
Agreed. Excellent resource shares - they've all been helpful to me as well. The polyvagal theory has been a game-changer for me! After over a decade approaching my healing work dealing with developmental/complex pts from a largely cognitive perspective I stumbled across the polyvagal theory while researching digestive issues related to trauma. Then came understanding of the biology at play and further on to bringing awareness to the somatic aspect of my lived experiences - I had no idea how out of my own body and self I had become due to the trauma! Just knowing that it's biology at work allowed me to process a great deal of the shame I was carrying - and shame is superglue for trauma!
Now, even after just beginning to dip my toe into yoga and body-consciousness I've somehow managed to engage with the innate ability to process the trauma in an ongoing manner - I can't quite explain it yet, but it feels as though I've engaged with whatever process is occurring during EMDR sessions, except it's all the time now- definitely intense at times, but thanks to building skills based on perspectives like Dr. Porge's, Deb Dana's, Pat Ogden, Kathy Kain and others I'm building up capacity in resilience (widening my window of tolerance) along with it. This is taking my mindfulness practice to a whole other level - my entire body. I feel almost stupid for having worked so hard in developing mindfulness but didn't know to apply it to my body too. This is probably why CBT was like torture to me, because my subconscious and body were screaming at me for attention and I just was so unaware.
Dr Schore's explanation here is another missing piece for me in differentiating cognitive and somatic dissociation - like the diff in manifestations/needs between event/shock trauma and developmental/complex trauma - a great deal of similarities, but ultimately quite different in how we need to approach them. Knowing this helps us to enlist truly appropriate assistance when needed and can help avoid wasted energy, time, resources, and moreover, any further harm by inappropriate therapeutic alliances/relationships, modalities/approaches.
Apologies for the long-winded ramble here - I hope it was a useful rant, nonetheless.
I should also add that as Dr. Porges emphasizes, we should endeavor whenever possible to use language that is supportive to people seeking help in understanding and finding meaning in their lived experiences of mental distress, rather than pathologizing or otherwise bringing judgment on. I see these as being evolutionary holdouts that ultimate obscure both meaning and healing, keeping the individual and society in an intergenerational trauma loop. A diagnosis can be most helpful initially when one is in the beginning of their healing journey, but they are subjective opinions on another person's subjective experience, not the word of the almighty - maybe rule of the mob, but not necessarily the truth of a person's lived experiences. So, as much sense as Dr Schore makes in regard to trauma itself here, his use of BPD further obscures the complex trauma and subsequent history/context of the myriad manifestations thereof. Society wants to blame you for your biology but ignore it's relational aspect to you and your biology - the underpinnings of intergenerational trauma baked right into the "helping professions"
Amazing, Thankyou
At 530. Oh My. This is profound to me to hear. It's how I experienced vulnerable. It was as if - no it was that I was damned if i do and damned if I don't. She had something for me either way. I've had ongoing intermittent therapy since age 20-30. I was in core issue group for seven years and excellent helpful 100%. But was just the tip of the iceburg really. FF 2021, I am DID. I've denied it for over a year but they revealed to me something I couldn't deny any longer they were too in my face. lol I was terrified and managed to not panic full blown w breathing and counting, logicl self talk. But hearing at 530 what happens when your try for comfort. It is scary. I don't think I could withstand knowing what I don't know just leaving it where it is contained. The memories I do have of very early ages before six years old are like at the beginning of some event frightening or painful or both or worse then the amnesia's onset blanks me out. I am hving trouble finding a therapist, covid has closed some clinics.
Thank you for your comment. I can relate
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fascinating - thank you.
Early picture doesn't lie- was bright eyed flubber baby- drama for me was drooling, and giggling.
Thank you. Love to learn more About Affect regulation!
Thanks!
Good TALK ❤❤
Add IFS and it's 100X more effective - also dont need therapist as much or at all in some circumstances
So is DPDR a Dissociative seizure?
4:40 ... please study endogenous opioids... beta endorphins .. ... im 46 & diagnosed DID
iLOVEYOU
And if you get a therapist who enjoys gaslighting their clients...?
Walk away!
Yeah in this case you shut off because you can't be there.
This guy gives me no hope when I listen to him. I've been disassociated for 12 years and never once have been suicidal. I'm looking for solutions not your analytical rambling
Darn, you should have read the description of the video first
Try downloading the kindle sample of “The Haunted Self, Chronic Traumatization and the Treatment of Structural Dissociation”. Best book I’ve read on the healing of trauma. It’s like a textbook, written for therapists by three therapists with a combined 65 years of experience. Good luck.
I hope you are okay 🙏🙏🙏
I think Peter Levine PhD is the man. listen to some CZcamss of him. Then find a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner (SEP) who is trained in his method and see how you feel about their therapy.