Maajid Nawaz dismantles caller who says he is 'not British' | LBC
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- This caller swiftly went from discussing Brexit to telling Maajid Nawaz he doesn't belong in the UK. Maajid expertly dismantled his arguments.
Maajid Nawaz was taking calls on whether a no-deal Brexit is better than a bad deal, as negotiations hit another stumbling block during the week on fishery rules.
Oswald phoned in to tell Maajid that the whole conversation is "quite evocative, nobody's talking about anything else at the moment."
The conversation took a turn when the caller said "if you zoom out of the whole Brexit debate...what will the Government do when they make a decision...will it either diminish the chance of ethnic brits becoming a minority by 2066, will it make the date further away."
Maajid took up Oswald's argument: "What's an ethnic Brit?" He asked. The caller explained that his definition encompassed people from England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales.
"Anglo-Saxon is an ethnicity, England is a country," Maajid pointed out, wondering if the caller considered him to be British, he was promptly told he is not, but Pakistani.
Maajid disagreed: "It's not my country, Britain is my country."
"You're not British, how hard is that to understand?" The caller reiterated.
Maajid sympathised with the caller. "You're worried that white Anglo-Saxons are being stigmatised against," he began, before noting that eh cannot discuss the matter unless the caller accepted that Maajid has "a legitimate view and a stake in my country."
"I don't think you are an equal in this country." Oswald insisted.
Maajid wound down the conversation by telling the caller "you're not gonna accept what I say even if I'm right because you think I don't belong here."
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“You are a Pakistani, you are from the middle east” are schools that bad in the UK?
Very bad mate
lol hahahahahahahaha
🤣🤣🤣
You seen Americans point on a map at Australia with China wrote over it as next place to attack lol... now thats funny lol.
He probably never went to one!😡
As a Canadian, I just laugh at the notion that you can confuse ethnicity with citizenship.
People have siezed from loving their roots man
But to be fair, Canada is a very young entity, in comparison to England as a nation state.
@@internetkurator9256 Defined after certain nations standards wich they defined them selves....yes. It depends on how far you look back.
Yeah... especially when the term Britain is derived from the french Brittany... and, unless you're a celt, you're not indigenous to the UK anyway...
@@denkanator it is the other way round, Brittany was named after settlers moved across the channel because of the increase of Scoti-raids and AngloSaxon "invasion" in 5th or 6th century (Arthurian Days of lacking sources).
But you are of course right, only Celts are true Britons. :-)
The whole world is so confused about ethnicity and citizenship. It is so sad. I am Asian, but I am an American citizen.
And I don't understand how. It's not a complex distinction!
As a white Australian I would feel incredibly awkward and embarrassed if a First Nations Aussie told me I should go back to where I come from. I certainly wouldn't be able to argue the point.
As a white Australian you are European, but you're also indigenous to the Australian state, if not to the land that holds it, because Australia is a European creation (specifically a British creation). You are Australian but Maajid isn't British, and he certainly isn't English. 'New world European countries' and old world European countries aren't really comparable in this way.
@@ringtail1410 Please go on to explain how he's neither British nor English by nationality as if ethnicity is in any way infused into either of those things
@@dan27032 English isnt a nationality it's an ethnicity, and British is the nickname we give to those with UK citizenship, however the British are actually the Anglo-Celtic indigenous population of the British Isles; That is the ethnicities of English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.
Maajid is a Pakistani with UK citizenship. You could call him a Brit (a paper Brit) but as far as I'm concerned it's a meaningless identity as anyone can be it. Technically one could be a UK citizen (and therefore "British") and also a citizen of every other country in the world all at the same time (therefore Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Canadian, Peruvian, Spanish, Congolese etc, too.) You understand my point.
I was not talking specifically about nationality though, as you well know.
@@ringtail1410 👍
England is a nation. English is a nationality. Simple.@@ringtail1410
Black and born in the UK, but got tired of being told since childhood to "go back to where I come from." Now living a very comfortable lifestyle in the Caribbean thank you very much.
That's the point. I don't understand why we spend so much time and energy trying to be accepted by white people all over the world. We should get it together and learn to enjoy our own company
True thats why I left to imagine there where more people willing to leave the native brits are not very welcoming.
I'm assuming you support West Indies in cricket but what nation do you want to win in football? Just curious.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 hey you should not assume every caribbean person likes cricket fella just saying as a Kittian lol
@@jaanthompson6764 I can assume what I want , whenever I want. It doesn't mean it I think I'm right.
I assume you're female and the person who wrote the thread is male.
Since when was Pakistan in the Middle East 😂
Exactly! Idk why he didn't even bother to correct him. People like using the term "Middle East" in a derogatory context. He should've taken that away from him.
Most morons don't own maps. Or know how to use them.
Pakistan is considered to be in "the greater middle east" as well as being a south Asian country... although I don't believe this is something the caller actually knew
Pakistan is in South Asia, same as Bhutan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal
Right it's in Asia 😂😂😂
The patience of this guy is out of this world.
Being in prison for years teaches you discipline
Gotta say, only in England can people have this discussion so calmly. Anywhere else this would have devolved into a shouting match.
You clearly haven't lived in England 😂
@@yaroslaf3060 he’d get knocked out if he said that in England 🤣🤣
Trust me, being on the radio saved him
Its weird that a former empire is surprised about their diversive population.
You know one random person on a call in show doesn't represent the entire population right?
@@blazedsamurai9684 sure, but seems a frequent thing
@@internetkurator9256 Where does it seem frequent?
@@blazedsamurai9684 in the Media, in readings, and by what I was told by fellow students in Exeter
It's ironic to say the least, but that happens in pretty much every country that had a former empire... How dare this people come into our lands to work and pay taxes?! Just because we went into theirs, pillaged it, enslaved them, etc etc, they now think they have a right to come and WORK at ours?! How preposterous!!!
The hypocritical thing is that anyone who studied a bit of history would know that Anglo-Saxons originated in northern Germany and Denmark, not England.
@@postcardsfromprotest Beautifully put!
There were original British people in the same way there were original German people. All go back to Noah who goes back to Adam. However since Noahs time we have developed into different cultures. I am white born in Britain as were my generations before me and I am British. If i was born in Hong Kong of British parents they wouldnt call me Chinese. so why try to appropiate another ethnicity for at least 10 generations.
@@michaelbrett3749 Except you would be chinese... if you were born in China and lived there your entire life that would be your nationality. Also chinese is technically (though I know there are those who would argue otherwise) not an ethnicity. Asian is the ethnicity wich you would not be if both of your parents were presumably caucasian for example.
@@michaelbrett3749 i’m kinda confused
so are you saying (based on ur comment) barack obama is not american?
is tht wht u r saying?
just trying to understand wht u mean
@@4yinyang err tho i think u meant well, but asian is not an ethnicity
indian is asian (tho i do believe there are different branch of ethnicities in india tht i’m not well verse of)
malay is asian
han is asian
and my dear friend, indian, malay and Han ARE ethnicity of asians
and in the case of indian it can also be citizenship
You're the voice we need Maajid.
I 💀 Everytime he say Pakistani in the Middle East, they’re literally right next to India then are Indian supposed to be arab? Smh Indian Pakistan Etc are south Asian
He definitely isn't! I'm born British. My father came to Britain from Pakistan when he was 15, he's now in his 60's, that doesn't mean he's English! I consider myself a British by nationality but I would never call myself an English. By definition I'm not English, go look it up! Majid the fool couldn't correct the caller when he referred to Pakistan as being in the middle east??! Maajid is a confused soul who thinks he's an Englishman in brown skin. The English identity is of Anglo-Saxon origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ('race or tribe of the Angles') and that's something no one can change.
Having said that I think it's more apt to be called a british as that's a nationality and Maajid is the same.
You're gullible 🤦♂️
@@AJ-il1lm8ph7z ethnicity and race are subjective man made classifications thus can hold different meanings to each person thus anyone can identify as such
He’s born in England which is in Britain he’s English but his race is south Asian .
First time heard Pakistan is in middle East...
Ummm. Pakistan is in South Asia. Let Google be your friend. The Middle East is actually the Horn of Africa.
@@real_abiolaRead the comment again? Tony Lin was being sarcastic! 🤭
😂
@@real_abiola lol. Not that you were wrong on pakistan but then horn of africa is middle east? Lol
Pakistan is a south asian country, which is also considered to be part of "the greater middle east"...
Maajid is an Englishman. He is British. He was born in England. He is a part of the United Kingdom and his views are equal to all others. Period.
He might be British. But he is not English.
He is British, not English
He is Pakistani acting like he is white
Andrew you go out in the Street with a group of White people and chant "Death to Israel" see if you get locked up..Majjid did that
I hate it when a brown person acts like his white, it would be the same thing like a white person acting like his brown. Be proud of your own colour.
Are we certain that the caller wasn’t the ghost of Oswald Mosley?
It's a common English name. Unlike the name Maajid Nawaz, which is Pakistani.
@@ringtail1410 Both are in the wrong first and foremost Majid is not acknowledging he has a MUSLIM name. MUSLIM is Majid's religious identity but unfortunately Majid has not behaved as a Muslim. It's like me saying "Ringtail" is and "English" name when it is your CZcams name; this is where Oswald had gone wrong.
@@wolfgang7812 I never said that. I said it was a Pakistani name. Which it is. However it is also an arabic muslime name. Only muslimes have this name. So it is in fact you that is wrong on both counts. And Maajid was actually an Islamlc extremist.
Also, the word Ringtail is English. Oswald is an English name. Maajid is a Pakistani name. These are facts.
@@ringtail1410 Here goes another failure of British school system
@@ringtail1410 the vast majority of Christian and Jewish names originates from exactly where Muslim names originated. You are aware these are all Middle Eastern religions, right?
He's not British....not in the least. So many foreigners in the UK embarrassed to admit their ethnicity.
He is English
@@Dhuxul9 Maajid is a Pakistani, its why he's called 'Maajid'
@@ringtail1410 the mere fact pakistani is considered an ethnicity in the UK whilst Pakistan is made up of several ethnicities is proof ethnicity is a subjectively defined man made social classification.
There is no genetic basis for arbitrary classifications of groups of people sharing a similar location…genetics correlates geography not arbitrary race or ethnicity.
Don’t make me school you again.
@@DhukuAC That's not "proof" of anything you've said. 'Pakistani' is an ethnicity-collective of smaller ethnicities. Everyone universally simultaneously recognises 'Pakistani' as an ethnicity and 'Gurjari' as a Pakistani ethnicity. Pakistanis are still not British, they're Asian, ie, Pakistani. And that is determined via genetics correlating to geography, ie, where this individuals genetic heritage is from. Maajid's genetic heritage is from Pakistan, not Britain. So he's Pakistani, and not British.
You've never "schooled" anyone in your life, you're incapable of logical thought or the acceptance of objective reality. Explain how a bulldog born in Alsatia becomes an asatian, even though its genetic heritage is still a bulldog. Go ahead.. explain it.
@@ringtail1410 ethnicity collective isn’t a thing objectively if it can be separate from ethnicity yet yield the same meaning. Genetics correlating to geography doesn’t determine race 🤣 🤣 go study anthropology and genetic biology. Your arbitrarily drawing the line as to how much ‘heritage’ is required to be considered British, as one could say Anglo Saxons aren’t truly British as they’re originally from Denmark and saxony…but you ARBITRARILY draw the line at around 1400-1500 years to the Anglo invasion and say because of such an arbitrary time stamp you are British. Thus you show that being ‘British’ has no objective meaning, it is a subjective identity. Are Thracian Turks European? given they have lived and settled in Europe for 700 years despite their asiatic background…if so then that also shows that ethnicity is a purely subjective affair…if not then you clearly don’t have a cohesive definition of ethnicity.
🤣’ethnicity collective’ again that’s not a thing you have made that up on the spot, one can’t be two ethnicities.
Dog breeds can’t be compared to arbitrary human categorisations of clusters of people as biology doesn’t determine that.
Again, I hope you have enjoyed being schooled once again.
I bet Oswald now wishes those British boats didn't go sailing around the world so much
Natives fought against the British Empire to defend their homeland, most of the time they lost, but they fought at least. Native Britons should be able to do the same in defence of their homeland.
@@Ash-886 who are the Native Britons?
@@Ash-886 you do realise that according to your definition Prince Phillip isn’t British as he was born in Greece into a Greek German and Danish family. Maybe you should get a DNA test because most people aren’t pure native in the 21st century. Most of the Royal family of Britain are descendants of the Russian and German Royal family so none of them are actually ‘native Britons’
@@Ash-886 if the royal family don’t reflect the ethnicity of the general population isn’t it hypocritical and invalid to have an issue with people who aren’t full blooded brits or does the issue stem from the fact that they’re not white and share the same skin colour because many so called ‘British’ are not Anglo Saxon at all. Even the Anglo Saxons are a mixture of Celtic, Germanic and Danish peoples. So there is no such thing as a full blooded British person. I highly suggest a DNA test for yourself and you’ll see how ‘British’ you really are, and at the end of they day everyone is human your differentiating people based on how much melanin is in someone’s skin. We are all just flesh and bones.
British boats aren't bringing in the net 300k immigrants each year.
Caller to radio show : "your a Pakistani man you dont belong here".
Same caller to a takeaway the same day : " can i order a chicken bhuna, pilau rice and a cheese naan please".
😅😅😅 Same here on Ireland, morons shouting Brits out wearing Liverpool FC shirts 😅😅
Because this example is so adept at showing the attitude of majorities towards visible minorities. This ignorant man who called in got way way too much time on the radio show platform ….I would say. Still, Mr Nawaz did challenge him with dignity and in well spoken manner.. thanks goodness for that.
That dude traces Pakistan in the middle east on the map. He has such a problem with Pakistanis, you would think he would have read something on Pakistan or at least looked at the map once in his life. Not every Mohammad is an Arab.
@@f1aziz When I heard him say 'Pakistan is in the Middle-East', my first thought was, 'No it's not'.
suspect he doesn't say Please...
I wouldn't even of granted him the opportunity of having the power of deciding whether or not I was "British". He *DOES NOT.*
English or British? English people by definition are of Anglo-Saxon origin who inhabited England in the Early Middle Ages, tracing their origin to settlers who came to Britain from mainland Europe in the 5th century. Maajid was born to Pakistani parents. So I would say he is a British citizen with predominantly Pakistani ancestry.
I've taken a genealogy test and I have 6% German and 4% Scandinavian in my genetic makeup, but I'm predominantly English. Therefore I identify as English.
Don't understand the issue. I suppose it would be equivalent to me becoming a citizen of China and openly declaring to Chinese people that I am Chinese, when clearly my appearance, being a white caucasian, would suggest otherwise. I may be a citizen but I'm not foolish enough to suggest that I am a full-blown Chinese man. I respect those who have a deep-rooted connection to their country and its long history with a distinct appearance that clearly reflects that. I would be an Englishman with Chinese citizenship, and Maajid is a Pakistani man with British citizenship.
Well said. I'm an African, who was born in the UK (in England) and I essentially agree with Oswald in this debate, in that although I have a British passport ...... I am NOT ENGLISH but AFRICAN. In my opinion, we live in a time where the vast majority of human's ethnicity is still tied, inextricably to a geo land mass on this planet. Similarly I will never consider the White colonisers of South Africa as being African despite their passports saying the contrary. Likewise I don't hold the view that it is possible for a TRANSGENDER to redetermine the gender they were assigned at birth. Finally, Malcolm X addressed this issue in the 60s best when asked to comment on his ethnicity and replied "If a pregnant cat, gives birth in an oven, do the kittens suddenly become biscuits?" Or put simply, if an African lion is born in an English zoo, does that lion suddenly become and English lion?
"I don't think you belong here"
Jesus Christ. Can this guy hear himself?
They yell all the time yet still dont hear it
naajid nawaz is a munafiq.
I actually gasped when he said it!
"oswald" is a disgrace
And he would probably defend colonialism
Wow. This guy really knows how to articulate himself intellectually and respectfully.
Most people from here are the same and can articulate themselves intellectually and respectfully
I wonder if the caller realises he is not the queen and doesn't get to decide who is British and who isn't.
One law for him another for ... (you proper Brits know the rest).
@@philipmarlowe4682 No Brexit voter.
@P U possibly the worst argument I've ever heard. The guy doesn't even know the different between a nationality and an ethnicity
@P U His name is Natty and he was featured on Patriotic Talk.
I miss this guy on LBC
I don’t
@@esporter5721 I do.
ME too.
Best presenter they've ever had!
Anyone can come here and can become British. It has no meaning any more, but English Maajid is not. Englishness is a culture, a history and a race.
This man has absolutely legendary patience and compassion in the face of immovable and deeply rooted ignorance and racism.
@TheRuralJuror69 Indeed 100 percent!
So if I was born and bread In Japan, being a white Englishman, northwest European. Would I be then ethnically Japanese??
@@craigmullen9046 no
@@craigmullen9046 No, because Japanese isn't an ethnicity. You dolt
@@thephantomterence9211 Exactly!!!!
Maybe Oswald believes that white Aussies aren’t in fact Australian? 🤔
@Gamer Lad02 my point entirely.
Oh, no. Like the American right his argument likely does a complete 180 when the subject of the British diaspora comes up. We deserve what we have because we were advanced enough to go out and get it. Anybody who couldn't keep what they had didn't deserve to have it.
@@aaronleverton4221 so does that mean America can now do the same to Britain as the British did to all these Commonwealth countries. Make the subjects of the White House😂
@@sidknee4975 No, because the British made Australia and the US by putting British people there. For your analogy to work it would need to be the South African indigenous populations or the Malays or the Indians doing it. A country that Britain went home from and took most of the white people with them when they did it.
@@aaronleverton4221 the British made Australia? What about the indigenous people of Australia? White Australia’s are all immigrants. Simple as.
Total ignorance of that Caller.., Yes-study long and hard.,and do some relevant research.
Racism has yet again shown its horrendous face
Maajid is a Pakistani. That's a fact. Perhaps address your ignorance instead.
I miss majiid on my radio weekends. Bring him back.
This was so painful to watch. I want to believe the man genuinely doesn't understand what Mr. Nawaz was saying, but I can't shake the suspicion that the caller doesn't view non-white, non-anglo saxon people as fellow citizens.
He doesn't... The entire call is obvious.
@@junehebe right!! 😂😂😂 Trump voters share the same sentiment in the states.
Only when they win throphies in sports
What about Celts or Britons or Vikings?
He doesn't understand thats obvious, but the problem is he doesn't care. He's ignorant and wouldn't be open to being corrected because he's set in his ways. Theres no possible way he could have had an intelligent conversation with him.
Prince Philip is born into a Danish/Greek family in Greece. Is he English ? Does he belong in England ? After all he is only the husband of the queen of England 😅
Prince philip is british
The whole royal family is German!
Yes they are british because they are "white"
I guess it's a lot easier if you look the part. Just shows you the level of social intelligence in most English people.
i would venture guess the caller would say yes, based just on skin tone.
Say ‘native Anglo Saxons are becoming a minority in our own ancestral homeland’
Anglo Saxons are not the aboriginal people of this island.
Not even the Celts are.
In the end, LBC sacked Maajid. Oswald one that one. Unfortunately.
One or Won? 😂🤡
The worst part about this for me personally, is hearing my own ignorance echoing from the past. I held similar views to that caller in my teens and early twenties. The difference, I hope, is that I set out to educate myself once I began pulling on the threads, after hearing much harsher versions being spoken around me, but coming from the same place.
Forgive me, I was blind but now I see and would open my arms before opening my mouth to criticise nowadays.
Don't worry mate, the fact that you've grown and learned is something commendable.
@@anaguma90 Thanks brother
I commend you on your honesty. It gives me hope to hear people who can reappraise their beliefs that I bet weren't so easy to just discard. You don't need forgiveness, just carry on spreading the word is enough.
You learn, you grow, you educate
Life is about learning and overcoming ones foibles and ignorance. We should all be on that journey. It is sad to remain caught up in rage and confusion, and never move on
The name “Oswald” should’ve been a warning sign from the beginning, no?
I was just thinking that.
Oswald is a Saxon name. Saxons came from North Germany.
Oswald Cobblepot
yeah he was named after oswald mosley.
What if his name had been Æthelbert?
The fact is the man is not of European descent so is not British, but an immigrant.
Which man? Oswald?
All white 'Americans' and 'Australians' are immigrants then? Because they did not descend from indigenious
just shows how our country has allowed all this to happen
What do you mean?
everyone knows what you're saying: "this"?? ! is not upholding white supremacy, right? you don't want neighbors who look different.
so i can _start_ to explain why xenophobia makes no sense. I'm white... I have _much more_ in common with everyone in my apartment building than I do with the ppl who we're all writing rent checks out to (im one of 4 white tenants that im aware of). when your rent goes up, blaming relatively powerless minorities instead of the oligarchy - the _owning class_ - which is what your xenophobia would have you do, will ALWAYS hold back real change that would help the working class. "race" is pretty arbitrary, especially considering how many people are MIXED, _income distribution_ is what matters. if white supremacy reigned supreme in the UK, you would still have wealth inequality, your landlords would hike rent up as far as their situation will allow. that's what the owning class DOES.
McKy McObvious: agree completely. In my neighbourhood (I live in Oxfordshire) I have more, but so much more, in common with the all too few Pakistani families who live in the area that I will ever have with the bumpkin gammons who are tragically the majority. Granted, the yokel parlance they engage in is a challenge to understand, but still...
Meaning? Do you mean that the UK has allowed this racism to fester? Or that the USA has allowed the people to end up disenfranchised and uneducated?
Its appalling to see the number of people who don't know the difference between citizenship and ethnicity...
So what ethnicity is this guy?
Or care.....
especially, when you go back far enough, an Anglo-Saxon is not a Brit either because the Saxons immigrated from Scandinavia and displaced/subjugated the Britons already living on the island. So the argument of ethnicity is just moot especially in the mishmash of migrating tribes and peoples of the european/scandinavian history. And he might even be a Norman, this Oswald.....
@@sanhestar the native British where not wiped out by the anglo saxon.
@@grahamt5924 Yes. That's why he said displaced/subjugated and not annihilated.
Oswald in 1933: “Well yeah I suppose Jews have the right to hold a German passport, but...”
I was going to comment on the irony of his name 😂
"I guess Jewish soldiers can be awarded the Iron Cross in WW1 but uknowshup"
In Oswalds eyes how many generations of your family have to have lived in Englands before they can be called English ? O r is it that as long as your skin is not quite 'white' you can never been called English ?? I do hope Oswald has fair skin and blue eyes as if he hasn't I will be dubiouse about his ethnicity....
Maajid thinks that ‘Anglo-Saxon’ is a race but not English. Explain this please Maajid?
Anglo Saxon is a tribe
@@aadamkhan5217 ...a tribe that derived its name from a place called Saxony and Angeln in Northern Germany and Denmark.
If you’re born in Britain, you’re British. You may be of xyz descent depending on your heritage (mine is Irish), but if you are born in Britain, you’re perfectly entitled to call yourself British.
You're talking about the political identity of being a citizen of the UK; paper Brits. Calling these people British is inaccurate, as it's a modern misnomer to do so. The British are actually the people indigenous to the British Isles. Maajid is arguably not British and he certainly isn't English like he tries to claim here.
@@ringtail1410 absolutely no one is thinking about the British isles when asking one is British. If you are born in Britian, you are British, regardless of your color. British is a nationality, not an ethnicity.
@@ringtail1410 and yes, people mean political identity when asked it someone is British. Thats why the caller said " no youre Pakistani".To which Majid replied that Pakistan isnt a ethnicity but a nationality, or in your words political identity, just like British.
@@Mr.Coffee576 The British are the people indigenous to the British Isles (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish) and these people are Anglo-Celt. That's who the British are. We lend the term 'British' over to also mean 'citizen of the UK', but as I stated, that is a modern misnomer, as the original holders of that citizenship were all indigenous. Maajid is a Pakistani who is also a citizen of the UK. He is not British, and certainly not English.
'Pakistani' is an ethnicity collective of all the indigenous ethnicities of Pakistan (punjabi, khatri, shindi, gurjar, awan etc). Pakistan is obviously also a state and a national identity -- but you're not getting any Europeans describing themselves as Pakistani -- even if they are citizens of Pakistan. That's because it's really only an ethnicity. In fact the term 'nationality' used to be very synonymous with the terms ethnicity and race. Nation is still used to describe ethnicity in some instances, eg, 'the navajo nation'.
As the caller correctly stated, Maajid is a Pakistani.
@@ringtail1410 so therefore white people of European descent who are born in the US are not Americans. They're not Cherokee, or Lakota, or Algonkian. They're German, or Italian, or Dutch, or Spanish.
Yet we call anyone born in the US and carrying US citizenship, an American.
Why don't we extend the same courtesy to people in the UK?
As Trevor Noah once said: "If there is one nation in the world that has no right to complain about immigration, it's Great Britain."
That is pretty undeniable.
100%
Nope, the people alive now didn't colonize anyone, they have every right to complain.
@@sclips798 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
@@sclips798 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Look around you. Look at the WORLD. Think ffs
How he managed to remain calm & not get infuriated by this caller is beyond me. Absolute respect.
He’s probably had to deal with these sorts of people (on and off the air) for his entire life, so he’s probably used to it by now… Enough to not be offended on the surface, at least.
I suppose there is contentment in the fact that any 'normal' British or even English person can very plainly see that he is British. Ironically a typical foreigner would probably also identify him as English.
Some people are just too bigoted to realise that British is something great and cannot be contained within just the four walls (even if one of those walls is bigger that the other three). Such people make a case for introducing a citizenship exam for everyone.
I'm sure in the past he would but he has now understood the mindset of some people and build resistance.
@@chrisdeep8417
Some people are are not cowed and deracinated enough like you to pretend Pakistanis can belong to nation(s) of people they otherwise have zero genetic commonality with.
If you know where he's come from, and what he's been through, you'll understand why that guy doesn't bother him at all.
Respect to Maajid for his respectful approach. JOB needs to take lessons from this guy.
Honestly the caller needed the JOB treatment. Guy is a wet flannel of a person. Can't absorb any new ideas or notions.
@@georgebaker661 I don’t believe in bear baiting these people. JOB might always be a pragmatically on point and there are a lot of numpties out there but he’s objectively a bully and a narcissist.
@@sjacrane Can't disagree with that.
So daring to ask questions and allowing you people to point out your own bigotry and lack of intellect is bullyong?
Perhaps be silent more and people wont notice
He’s classy and educated, unlike the caller.
1:28 A dog born in a stable doesn't make it a horse. English, I don't think so.
You mean a stallion born in a big stall
This caller admits he hasn’t studied much of what he’s talking about and then just goes on happily showing his ignorance.
Priceless.
The caller was a guy?
He knows enough about genetics to understand that a South Asian Pakistani isn't a North Western European Brit. You apparently do not.
Let’s be honest! He’s British, but he’s bot ENglish is he? Is he before the anglo-saxon
i wonder what percentage of Scandanavian, Roman, Spanish, French, Persian, Ashkenazi Jew, etc, genes that caller has in his genome- I'm no historian or anything, but I seem to recall lots of invasions, conquests, and royal marriages, affairs, (from other countries or own family, didn't really matter much) ..and then there were boats, and trade, and wars and rapes, and slaves,... Wouldn't it be great if everyone had to take a semester of basic genetics before graduation?
@@trocarcat2961 Now dissect the Pakistani identity. Lets see how you can pretend that they're not a people as well. Or is it just the Brits you think don't exist?
As a celt I think it's high time ALL foreigners left the British Isles especially those Anglo saxon chancers who have totally out stayed their welcome.
We dont call them the British isles.
lol
*cough* Celts are not indigenious either *cough*
🤣
@@johnbreen8994 why dont you like the term British Isles? It's a totally valid name.
But the caller is right. He is not English by ethnicity though😂he is of Pakistani ethnicity but he is British coz law says so.
By ethnicity he is from Pakistan. But he holds a British passport and citizenship, so he is a British citizen. But yes...he has to understand that his ancestral roots are in india/Pakistan. No racism here. I am Indian and if I were to get a UK or US citizenship, I would still call myself Indian coz that's my roots. But according to law, I am an American or British and that's fine, but I know my roots.
The caller is an idiot. You may be one too, of you find yourself sympathetic to his position. Ethnicity and nationality are entirely separate. I learned this when I was a child. How far behind are you? We can't wait forever for you to catch up.
@@dogboy5398so a white guy can't be Japanese, because you think Japanese is not a nationality AS WELL as an ethnicity? 😂😂
But the caller is wrong. Being British is not the same as being White Anglo Saxon 😂😂
The caller says Majid is not an equal British person as him. He doesn't belong there, and if you think the same then you're wrong too
"I'm not historian"
"I'm not a geneticist"
That's great he remind it to us cause I would never have guessed it.
Then tries to bring genetics into it.... lol
Me neither. I was so relieved...then he tried to thrown some haplogroups into the mix to give it some scientific basis, but he obviously does not understand how that works: the haplogroup he mentioned is not specifically UK.
Majids just says he wants to have a conversation but talks over him as he knows there is As weakness to his arguments over semantics If was born in the Indian Sub Continent I would not be a seen as a Pakistani or Indian, if I was born in Saudi Arabia I would not be an Arab, if I was born in Iran I would not be Persian but if anyone steps foot in a Celtic, germanic, Italic, Angolo Saxon country in what is now Europe they are automatically Of that country/ geographical area it's the only place it happens on earth.
The reality is genetics do matter.
I am of Belorussian/Jewish descent and live in the UK, I see myself as a domiciled forignerer in the United Kingdom even after 75 years of family roots.
I live this country and live it's history but I can't claim to be English or Anglo Saxon its disingenuous.
You’re British. You may not think you are, but you are. Like majid is. So what is it you disagree with?
@@Tamarlane389 no birth right does not equal citizenship you plum. British isle wee Anglo Saxon or Celt by origin going back 1000’s years.
If you escape a war in Syria and arrive in England and are given a passport does not mean you are British, you are just a passport holder.
Facts
The moment when Oswald Mosley called in.
I don't think his name is really Oswald
Perhaps he should think what to do with a “white” person who has a passport from Pakistan. Without seeing the passport ossie might light that person!! What an idiot
@@sammyboyjnr5520 exactly, the name was picked so like minded listening in would know where his rhetoric was going...
I have to dismantle this comment🤣😅 .iam dismantleist gurus
Wow!
"How dumb can someone be"
"Yes"
Superhuman self control from Maajid wh says he's not offended or upset well you have evry right to be. One of the worst consequences of Brexit , the worst in fact is that people like the caller feel they can come out with garbage like that
The caller is just simply stating facts. Maajid is Asian, he is not English as he claims in this video. The gall is Maajid thinking he can obfuscate and manipulate the audience. Clearly some fall for it.
My guy said Pakistan is in the Middle East someone doesn’t understand geography. 😂😂
its not the far east so its the near east or middle east
.@@Jack-fs2im far from wher?,near to where?lol
@@giftchiposipho8967 lollouder .if you want to change the dictionary write to them.hahaha
@@Jack-fs2im please forward me the dictionary people's address and email.loliest
@@Jack-fs2im What? Paksitan is in south asia. Quite a distance form middle-east
This is so depressing, what a miserable, embittered and inward looking island we live on
Foreigners cannot believe that in the UK the struggles with race relations are on debate daily and everything is about race....! All this from a country that conquered and claimed half the world as a sovereign nation....!
Yeah, wish we lived in a more happy and open country like Saudi Arabia or North Korea. UK how horrible.
@@TheInvincibleH That's your bar? Brutal dictatorships? That's like England's World Cup team saying, "Hey, we're better than Iceland" (Oh wait...LOL)
Try living in the USA 🇺🇸
We are NOT the home to the world and these nawaz types have to acknowledge this is NOT their country and to live to OUR conditions, NOT have us give up stuff these pondlife find offensive.
You're not English. You're a citizen of the country, but not an Englishman.
This guy definitely frequents 4chan
He's too old for 4chan. My guess is he watches a lot of right-wingers like PJW. Old people love PJW.
@@jimmorrison903 I mean you say that but plenty of people in their 30s browse 4chan
@@dan27032 I didn't know that. Wow. Really thought it was a website for edgy teens.
I'm white and born in England but by majids logic I can identify as a 10ft tall Chinese woman.
Only if you eat noodles and wear a straw hat!
Well if you did that about 20 years ago you’ll probably be called insane. Today you’ll be called progressive lol.
That is not what he is saying. He was born in England and therefore in Britain so he can legitimately claim to be both English and British. You are neither Chinese, 10ft tall, nor a woman. Nationality does not equate to ethnicity. If it did then I'm not sure anyone could be classed as American other than a native American.
@@Kaiserbill99 yes Kaiserbill99
@@Kaiserbill99 You're dishonest and you know it
“Don’t get distracted, STAY FOCUSED!!!”
Osworth: NO NO NO!!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
This is like me being born in Saudi Arabia and then telling an Arab who's family has lived there for millennia that I am equally Saudi.
It is RIDICULOUS and its sophistry.
No it’s not. Saudi and other gulf countries do not offer citizenship like the UK does. Therefore, someone of a different ethnicity born in Saudi Arabia can’t consider themselves Saudi citizens.
In the UK, you can be a British national despite being of a different ethnicity. If you had rephrased your comment to “this is like me being born in Saudi Arabia and then telling an Arab who has lived there for millennia that I am equally Arab” - then you might’ve had a leg to stand on.
This guy needs to realize there are Anglo Saxons in US, Canada, Australia , NZ not just England
Yeah Anglo Saxon
They created those countries.
You’re a Pakistani from the Middle East .... what a plonker statement. My parents were from India and came and settled in the UK, at the invitation of HM & Her Government. I was born & bred in England and therefore I am English but not of Anglo Saxon heritage.
Oswald needs help.
@Cian MacGana I’m English, as I was born & bred in England but not of Anglo Saxon heritage. I’m glad I cleared that up for you.
@@onwardstotruth5810 let me get this right, you where born in England consider yourself English and a fellow English man doesn't want you to be English? That's just weird why would he want to make his tribe smaller? You are not saying I was born in England but I am Mongolian therefore I claim this lan for Mongolia..... Your english bud with a fascinating ethnicity I expect 🏴
@@onwardstotruth5810 your British
@Cian MacGana your comment is an insult to minorities who are actually being ethically cleansed around the world.
@Cian MacGana Had no regrets when u ethnically cleansed native Americans and Aboriginal Australians did you.
When you follow the caller's view you unterstand why he is afraid of being in an minority one day. He suspects others will do onto him what he is doing onto them, while still in a majority.
That’s how a lot people in the US felt as well- or rather how I perceived that they felt.
White people are so afraid of becoming the minority, because they are afraid they will be treated as poorly as they treat the minorities.
You simply ask the question, “well gosh, what would be so bad about being a minority? Do you know something I don’t?”
The caller is in his own country not a foreigner
Exactly
Absolute nonsense
LOL... True that....
That was happening in many countries in the past and still goes on!
Maajid is like a spoiled little kid. He doesn’t want to answer the question but puts another question to the called. This is after the caller answered him lol. Maajid really wants the caller to say Maajid is equal lol. The called answered u Maajid u cry baby
I’m growing tired of the bigots becoming mainstream
Maajid was born here he is British. Can't understand why the guy doesn't get that.
He doesn't want to because then it would be harder to justify to himself treating him a lesser. The more other he can pretend Maajid is, the more justified he feels in treating him differently.
@Red Eed
*"not English"*
*"not an aboriginal Australian"*
Do you think we wouldn't notice you moving the goalposts there? I was born in the UK and moved to Australia at the age of four. I've lived here since, but for a break of about a year and a half at the of 11-12. While some may do so, I don't even hear Aborigines refer to white people born in Australia as not being Australian.
If a couple were to immigrate from Norway and they had a child, would that child be English? What about someone born in England and descended from invading Vikings hundreds of years ago? What is the actual difference?
@Red Eed, are people born in England but descended from Vikings or other tribes that invaded indigenous to England or not? How many generations do you require a person's ancestors to have lived in a country for them to be considered indigenous to that country? How long would Maajid's descendent have to have lived in England for them to be considered English, or would that depend on how much of his familiy's previous culture and/or skin colour they retain?
@Skankhunt42 yeah, that’s because you added the word aboriginal there, that’s an ethnicity. If you were born in Australia and live there, you are Australian. Nationality is not ethnicity.
@Skankhunt42 I thought you were supporting the callers view that the ethnicity is the important thing to being British as opposed to nationality. I must have misunderstood.
I think everybody should respect history. You are a Pakistani background. You should be proud of it.
Your a Pakistani with a British passport be a proud
I wish that Preeti Patel women could hear this, because apparently these types of people aren't in the UK.
These people are a small minority !
@@theisheep2676 I guess you've never been to Burnley yet.
The truth is there's alot of nice people to ur face out there but behind closed doors they don't like u and they don't accept u. They're the ones to look out for!
And many of them tiny
@Guanxinated 123 Anglo Saxons themselves aren't indigenous to the British isles.
@Guanxinated 123 No, I'm not trying to say anything. I simply corrected your assertion that Anglo Saxons are indigenous to the island of Britain. All that waffle you wrote are your own weird thoughts.
People like this are so dense. There's no getting through to them.
Oh Maajid knows he's a Pakistani. He's just dishonest, that's all.
DENSE = THICK
@@wolfgang7812 You'd know a lot about that, Wolfgang.
He handled this so well.
Rudyard Kipling - born in India, still documented as white British.
India was a British colony...
391jamie so you consider Kipling British despite it being his home of birth?
@@DaughterofAlbion Despite what being his place of birth, _British_ India?
I don't know what point you think you're making here. Kipling was born in part of what was then the British Empire.
@@391jamie just because India was part of the empire for a time it didn't stop being a country and was never "british India" as you say. Ask an Indian if they ever considered British people born in in India during that period to be just as Indian as them.
My dad was born in a British army camp in India of British parents. Did that make him Indian, no.
Would the caller have the same issue if the presenter was Australian or American? I doubt it.
No he wouldn't as of most of the uk wouldn't
Never! They know where to express their stupidity 😂
he didn't dismantle him, he talked over him, and then cut him off.
Maajid sounding smart but still wrong. "His country"
Like those other pakistani politicians who celebrate Muslim festivals and fly Pakistani flags - very British
No such thing as the English? Insane. Maajid may well be a citizen of England (or more likely the UK) however he is not English. No one would ever question the idea that being born in Australia doesn't make you an aboriginal, why do they do the same for England?
Being born in Australia would make you an Australian though, which is why being born in England makes one English, but not necessarily an Anglo-saxon.
If ethnicity or nationality are going to be the defining feature of your entire worldview, then you should probably learn the difference between them.
@@pragueuprising560 'English' is a race, read my response very carefully, I was very precise, Maajid may well be a legal citizen of England (or more likely the UK) but he is not English.
To someone who is constantly being bombarded by US "news" outlets like Fox News and MSNBC, the level of discourse on LBC and its hosts' willingness to engage in factual, honest debate is such an incredible breath of fresh air. Thank you for bringing some sanity back into my world!
For real.
Despite being the polar opposite to Fox , MSNBC has top rated journalists and they present facts. You will never hear about "War on Christmas" on MSNBC
@@asicdathens As a former MSNBC viewer, I have to disagree. Two sides of the same coin. Doesn't matter if one is more left and the other far right, they are both corporate driven machines bent on limiting the real news and controlling the narrative. You can throw CNN right on in there too.
White scandinavian but felt more at home with the antillean crowd in the Caribbean than the dutch/english/american millionaires
Imagine white person with english parents born in india but given full english name calls himself indian because of birth place and passport😂
White people who were born and living in India do call themselves Indian
If a dog is born in a stable doesn't make it a horse
Being given residency in england does not make anyone English!
Okay. Well being white doesn't make anyone English.
@@nickm808
Your post doesn't relate to my post in anyway shape or format. .. So what's your point.?
@@poppyredd5930 hahaha well it clearly does relate as it continues the theme of what constitutes a person's nationality.
😂 , but it stops being funny when you realise there's thousand if people like that caller 😦
Millions really. Hundreds of millions.
Millions mate don't be naive
The majority. It's ok. I don't want England to be full of Pakistani, nor I want Pakistan full of Anglo Saxons.
@Mr A but those countries were formed by anglo Saxon. And won. Which by historic standards how land was grabbed. By conquering. Name me a country that's not born by this method.
@@MohitKumar-jf8lz Iceland.
Maybe Maajid could have asked if the 25 million people born of migrant ancestry in Australia could call themselves Australians - or only the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders?
Austalia is a state that was created by Europeans, specifically the British.
@@ringtail1410 So basically immigrants who took over?
@@GCS88 Took over from whom? Australia wasn't a country before the British invented it. If you're claiming that Europeans invaded a territory that wasn't theirs and supplanted it, then yes, that did happen. We should learn from history and make sure the same doesn't happen to our own countries.
“Being born in a stable”, the Duke of Wellington said, "does not make one a horse."
Even if your ancestors were born in a stable you still wouldn't be a horse
Someone tell him about the royal family and their origin . Just saying
@Red Eed
The family of the Royal family were normans who conquered England and migrated from Europe from France 🇫🇷
@Red Eed
So according to the callets logic not many of us are truly English or British as we all migrated at some point some earlier than others
@Skankhunt42 not exactly
@Skankhunt42
Whatever rolo
Mountbatten
When did we allow people from Pakistan who had been in Egyptian jail for being part of the terrorist organisation to be a presenter on a British radio station?
The day John Barnes played for liverpool fc
@Andrew Robinson what's with the Anti-white racism?
@Andrew Robinsonwhat entertaining media comes from non white countries?
He has reformed
@Andrew Robinson your problem is OUR say is getting larger every day, and this Pakistani man knows it and is being well paid to fight back against it. Look into this man's past, his activism, beliefs and crimes. Imagine my parents going to Pakistan and then me spouting anti Pakistani rhetoric like this on air😳 I'd probably get what I deserved.
If someone parents come to England as immigrants from other countries their next generation of children born in England are not British their nationality is from their parents decent
The caller is correct...................Nawaz will never be considered British by the vast majority of people in the UK.
Why should he care? His concern should be making money nothing else.
Welsh, Scottish and English are distinct ethnicities. English people are by definition rooted in a genetic pool that is white European and going back hundreds and thousands of years.
You get it. I get it. Why can’t he get it.
Why is this so important? Go back far enough your african
@@jonnypetrie1008 go back far enough you live in a puddle. What’s your point.
@@jonnypetrie1008 the out-of-Africa THEORY is now heavily disputed anyway
Harvey Mushman - Go back even further and there were no puddles, what's your point?
Someone doesn't understand nationality and ethnicity
@Simon I think you may want to try to apply your logic to America and watch it crumble into nothing.
@kalunda Quite right. They're European ethnicities which is why those countries are nice places to live.
@Simon Goodwind Not really. It's possible to be an anti-colonialist and also be pretty clueless on the difference between statehood and ethnicity.
@kalunda who here is claiming the Maori don't exist and that European settlers are the Maori? Or that US citizens are native Americans? Or that australians are aboriginals?
Literally nobody claims that, which is why its so funny when maajid claims he's English. Its just as laughable as an American claiming they're native American, or a NZ citizen claiming they're Maori just because they have a NZ passport.
Glad we agree
@@billsmoke4919 is it beyond your comprehension that we already do?
European settlers created the nation of the USA. They are natives to the country they created, but nobody in their right mind claims that Americans are the same as native Americans, or that native Americans don't exist, or when NAs talk about themselves as a group nobody goes "but what IS an American anyway?? I'm just as native as you!"
Maajid Nawaz can't tell the difference between being born in a country, and where his parents were born, and the rest of his ancestors?
This discussion reminds me that I always was more attached to nationality based on blood ties and the way a person is raised by his parents than to birth place - which can be completely random by the way.
Nationalism just like Communism and just like empires is an ideology and a way of thinking of the bygone era. There's no point resurrecting it. It's history mate. The world has moved on. And those who don't are prisoners of the past.
By Oswald's logic, white Australians don't have the right to be called Australians and white Americans don't have the right to be called Americans
Hed read this and think theres nothing wrong with that
Correct.
The countries of Australia and the United States are white creations. Europeans conquered America and Australia through superior military capabilities. The natives defended themselves. They lost, but they defended. Why then are native Europeans not allowed to defend themselves against the settling of foreign peoples?
Well, that is a tricky one because white people invented the words "Australian" and "American" and truly indigenous people of USA and Aus do not identify with those terms.
Indigenous cultures in America and Australia have their own Nations and their own names for their land, each nation have their own culture, language and form of government, the Northern Territory in Australia is Governed by Aboriginals and to a degree is considered a nation within a nation like the Navajo.
As someone from Australia I can tell you the indigenous people in the bush do not Identify as Australian but Identify by the Nation they belong to, that is the same in America too, a classic example of this is the Navajo Nation or the Cherokee Nation, these are countries within a country.
"American" was named by a French man not a Indigenous name, nor is Australian.
How is that Oswald's logic?
Him being called Oswald is just 😩😂 my gosh
Do i hear a mosley?
came here to say this exact thing 😂😂
Oswald is right
I have heard You refer to yourself as Pakistani! So Where do you get the English from or do you just pick and choose to help you win arguments?
His name is Oswald...do you think he was named after Mosley?
Exactly my thought
O dear, why don't you keep your petty sheep propaganda to yourself. The caller was pointing out the facts.
Oswald is a fantastic name.
Nah. Spengler.
@@stevejwilliams61 The caller was saying that 1st or even 2nd generation immigrants to England don't have the same civil rights as third or fourth. What's your views on that?
I’m an American. I have just found the LBC. Favorite thing on CZcams. Also I just found out I’m not American. My family came from Italy. Thank you Oswald
3 days ago was round the time LBC popped up on my feed too!
Taking his view nobody is American other than native Americans
Ciao !! ❤️🇮🇹
@Guanxinated 123 can you shut up
you may be american, but your heritage is italian. its not a difficult concept
Maajid Nawaz is British, but he is not English.
True
Embarrassing that the caller declares "Irish" as a British nationality.
Ethnicity, not nationality. N Ireland is part of the UK, and the whole of Ireland is part of the British Isles.
@@ringtail6670 Irish people are ethnically Irish. The Irish were Irish before Britain invaded, and they're still Irish now that the British have left. Being beside another country does not mean you are part of it. The French aren't German, and Ireland is not British. It is not a "British Isle". The people of Ireland do not recognise or use the term. You wouldn't accept Britain being referred to as part of the "Irish isles" would you? A lot of British people are very keen to try to lay claim to previous colonies and just can't let go, it is sad to see.
@@user-tm7zt1eq1n The Irish are an ethnicity within the British Isles (which is an area including the UK and Ireland). And the northern Irish are of British nationality. You have no valid point.
@@ringtail6670 They're Irish.
@@aussieh1973 Ireland is within the British Isles. Perhaps "Aussie H" should stick to kangaroos and other suchlike topics that you actually know about.
English is an ethnicity, not a piece of paper from the government.
@Andrew Robinson what?
@Sultan King absolutely right
@Sultan King you can’t talk sense into them
@Sultan King Well said, I agree completely.
@Sultan King Absolutely correct. 👍