Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 vs. EVERYTHING? Best Hoka Racer? Olympic Trials Thoughts! | This or That
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- The game is This or That? No gray areas, no "it depends". Matt and David go back and forth on shoes, training, and more. They pit the soon-to-be-released Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 against a bevvy of competitors' shoes like the Boston 12 and Mach X. They debate easy runs vs. long runs, stretching post-run or not, running in the rain vs. running in the cold, and even more. Have a debate you'd like to hear? DM us on Instagram or email us at doctorsofrunningpodcast@gmail.com.
Chapters
0:00 - Intro & Olympic trials reactions
10:00 - Endorphin Speed 4 vs. Boston 12
17:40 - Endorphin Speed 4 vs. Mach X for long run workouts
21:24 - Non-plated long distance racer
26:38 - Easy long runs vs. long run workouts
29:14 - Stretching post workout
32:16 - Rocket X 2 vs. Cielo X 1
38:26 - Asics Nimbus vs. Cumulus
40:32 - Endorphin Speed 4 vs. Rebellion Flash 2
44:26 - Running in the cold vs. running in the rain
50:20 - Pacers or not during races
56:01 - Medial post vs. sidewalls/guide rails
1:01:18 - Pancakes vs. waffles
1:02:27 - Wrap-up
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Pancakes on Saturday, waffles on Sunday. Thank you for the entertainment. I am looking forward to putting some OC miles on the Speed 4.
Best of both worlds!
33yo male. Marathons in 2 weeks and speed 4 will be my race day shoe. I planned for endo pro 3 but about 3 weeks ago my Achilles popped and I want a shoe I can get good speed in but not overly working my calf/achilles. Thanks for making me feel good about my choice in this video. Love the podcast
I live in Savannah and during the summer it rains very frequently. So I wear my running clothes all day and just start out as soon as it comes.
I do static stretching post run, not all the time but when I feel tight
Cold and sunny 35-45 degrees, no to light wind. 60 degrees and light rain is nice too
Pancakes. Not needing another kitchen gadget is a plus
IMO pancakes or waffles is basically a push. Once you coat either in loads of syrup & strawberries, they have the EXACT same flavor profile... namely maple syrup. The only diff is texture. If I'm in the mood for crunch? Waffles. Otherwise it's pancakes. The better question is Pancakes/Waffles or Lox & Bagels? No contest... bagels w/ a huge schmear of apple butter cream cheese. As for cold or rain? Cold.
Definitely have a different definition of cold in the midwest. Unless it is mid/upper 30s rain, I'll take the rain over single digits.
I tried on the Hoka Mach X at a Hoka store. I was shocked how soft and bouncy it was. I didn't want to take them off. Maybe I'd notice it's stiffness if I ran in it.
With regards to the stability tech discussion: How do you view a more "typical" mid-foot shank or stabilizing system in this context? I'm thinking about, say, the Asics "Trusstic" system, Mizzuno "Wave" plates... It seems like running shoes have moved away from these kind of "Classic" motion stabilizing systems.
Just hope Asics don’t make too many changes to the Superblast in the 2nd version to change it from what it is which is a super long run Trainer
On another note think I might pick the Topo Cyclone 2 although bit concerned at the price here in the uk if it only lasts around 200-300 miles. I have the Tauki Sen 8 and might just stick to them instead, I know you all loved the Cyclone 2’s last year and would appreciate your thoughts with it against the Sen 8’s £80 on sale here Cyclone 2’s still about £140
Do you plan to do a video on the endorphin pro 4? I am planning on using it for a marathon where I'm aiming for sub 4, it feels very comfy but doesn't feel that fast if I'm honest. Any other alternatives you'd think of if not using that shoe?
Next week. Our pairs only coming this week
Confirmed that Emily raced in regular Pacers v1.
Waffles all day everyday
I supinate and feel like the Boston 12 pitches me laterally.
Kelvin Kiptum died a few days ago, right? Sounded like you were speaking of him as if he was still training/racing. Kind of surprising none of the shoe reviewers have mentioned his passing, or maybe I just missed it?
We recorded this before his passing. Most reviewers including us have shared condolences on social media. We are all deeply saddened about his passing.
That was one of the first things they mentioned. It was recorded the day after the Olympic trials.
I’ve heard shoe reviewers mention his passing.
Waffles!
If boston 12 on sale again @90 Cad i will buy it again.
Definitely waffles.
no fan of guide rails, causes friction on arches. posts could be better engineered, still very basic tech used by brands.
waffles
Incase anyone wonders what graduate/higher education looks like combined with normal life responsibilities- this is it lol.
Get some rest gents.
Edit- Pancakes