How American Animation Influenced Anime
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- čas přidán 3. 10. 2019
- Can you believe there was a time where TV could transition seamlessly between Looney Tunes and Dragonball Z? That got me thinking, is there a connection between old American animation and old Japanese animation?
It turns out the gap between 1930s Popeye cartoons and the anime of today is a lot closer than we think.
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Can't forget we've come full circle with modern western cartoons being influenced by anime.
Ok course
Not just influenced
Nah
We didn’t come full circle recently, been that way since like the late 2000
Funnily enough, Spider-Man is still influencing anime and manga. the creator of MHA has made it no secret that Spider-Man inspired his story. JJK is a bit shadier because it did steal some major plot points from the venom arc. I mean, the bad guy invades the good guys body and once they leave they enter someone close to them to continue wreaking havoc. Venom is represented by the BLACK suit and sukuna is represented by BLACK lines. JJK even did the whole “hero defeats a villain while remaining silent” It’s common for anime to take inspiration from Spider-Man since he kickstarted the idea teenagers can be heroes. Anime has gotten more and more popular but taking inspiration from other anime and old superhero comics has led to a more and more stale experience. Harem and isekai’s anime are usually bland and uninspired. I think it’s for this reason western cartoons have and continue to dominate anime despite the general consensus being that anime is better. Anime should be popular but subconsciously, once you see a few, the others can seem like creative remixes. It’s the reason why Dr stone is considered “fresh”. It does something new. It takes a risk. If more anime took risk and stopped using the same cliche’s then we would see anime stories like bojack horseman and doctor who. Unfortunately, The manga industry hates giving mangaka’s time to let their stories become fleshed out and would rather just cancel them early. all that’s left are the same stories but remixed in a way that they are just barely their own thing. Alas underneath whatever quality the manga has, our brains still feel like we’ve seen it before.
When you think about it, Popeye's Spinach theme was the precursor to the Power of the Song trope you see in many action, mecha and magical girl anime.
Damn ur right, super sayian 😂
Another great influence on manga being Franco-Belgian comics, which is why many japanese creators weared a beret.
Japan seems to be way more into BD than American comics, at least the few who actually read comics outside their country.
@@neilworms2 naw the father of anime was directly influenced by America.
@@liberalbias4462 America played a role but really since katsuhiro otomo there has been an interested in BD.
There were so many Francophiles before, and also after the WW2 in Japan. That sentiment still lingers, leading to the so called the Paris syndrome for example.
Another very important source of inspiration of Tezuka's style, both visual and narrative wise, was actually the work of Disney comic book artist Carl Barks, most known for stories featuring Donald Duck and especially Scrooge McDuck.
Tezuka admired him so much he even sent him Christmas cards with fanart.
Also I feel it's important to point out how much of the style and proportions of the Popeye cartoons can be found in Tezuka's work, especially when you look at the bodies of the characters made in his early years and all ages projects, before he started dedicating himself to making comics (and briefly movies) for an older audience.
I noticed that one Astro-Boy manga cover has cover art similar to that found on a Donald Duck comic issue.
Walt Disney really is a legend to be forever remembered.
Let's not forget American comics, either - it's well-known that Tezuka cited Carl Barks' Uncle Scrooge comics as a big influence on his manga work.
Even with that last part being true, Disney and others from the U.S influenced the "founders" of Japanese animation and comics the most. Which I think is a testimonial tribute to the greatness of people like Walt Disney who practically influenced everything in all animation today.
There's a lot of research in this. Good job!
Kimba and The Lion King, eh? YMS sure had a field day with that one.
Glad I'm not the only one who held similar sentiment. Too many think that it was all parallel thinking (maybe in some cases), but it's an ever evolving globe of reference and influence throughout history.
I didn't watch the entire video but from seeing the title made me think of 2 things:
"Pie eyed" drawing style was popular in both early US cartoons and anime.
Female characters in anime tend to resemble Disney princesses in proportions.
Really great to see the broader historical context of anime and animation in general highlighted like this. I hope this video gets at least as much attention as your Looney Tunes shorts video, because this is some top tier content!
Quite beneficial. I would love to see you do a spiritual sequel to this where you talk about how anime help push the boundaries of 80's/90's Western animation.
Yes
Kyle A. Carrozza (creator of Mighty Magiswords) has this video on Favorites.
Thank you for making this. Long sense been a fan of early animation and seeing all the influences fall like dominoes. It's a really fascinating field
You deserve so much views and subs than you have. You and Kenny Lauderdale are two of the best anime reviewers on CZcams. The amount of care and research you put into each video is superb, and you clearly have a passion for what you do, and I hope someday you become HUGE!
Would you consider Popeye cartoons as an influence on Tezuka as well, with a lot of his characters sporting large noses, meaty arms, short chubby fingers, large feet, oval mouths and the like?
Tezuka repeatedly cited the Fleischers as an influence so totally
Most of Modern western animation has been influenced by the Japanese. But there are also unique instances where action adult Animation is not tainted with eastern ideas. Such as Jonny Quest and other Superhero themed adult Animations.
Dude you have the same backstory as me-- watching western animation and anime at basically the same time. Toon Heads also got me into the history of it too!
Awesome breakdown
I'm a cartoonist myself, and I take heavy inspiration from this 1930's Cartoon Series known as Scrappy, which is relatively unknown to anyone but Animation Historians such as myself. Scrappy and Oopy helped me develop the characters of Floyd & Tyke, albeit in a much more wholesome way. Like Tezuka, I have drawn inspiration from old cartoons, both American AND Japanese. Heck, I even draw with the little pie-eyes.
Nice to see that you are aware of Scrappy, whose early shorts were written and directed by former Fleischer animator and future Disney writer Dick Humor. Lot of interesting names around, such as its producer Charles B. Mintz whose falling out with Disney over budget inspired Disney to create Mickey Mouse, series co-animator Art Davis went on to become a Looney Tunes animator and substitute director.
I appreciated the One Second video as it led me to this channel. But I subbed and continue to watch because of the quality of these types of videos and the clear amounts of passion and research in these. Thank you for your efforts.
One influence for Anime is the chinese animation named Princess iron fan (1941).
Cool, thanks for the info.
That was a time period in Japan known as "Rule by Assassination".
This is a really well researched video! Thank you for teaching me about Animation history.
Did Tex Avery influence any anime
This is much more than giving a Wikipedia entry a once-over then slapping a synopsis to some common visuals. Great job! I can see the effort garnishing this tasty video
So ww2 and the freedom balls that made japan unconditionally surrender really did make anime....
HOW in the world dont you have more subscribers! So incredible and instersting. Please keep it up!
I feel saying Sailor Moon is the inspiration for all moe is far off, and skips several decades of cute girls doing things and tons of history of female anime leads that all came from a wide variety of inspiration and sources.
I just wanna show my appreciation for this video. It helped me a bunch for a project and thesis I'm writing, you helped me a lot with the direction I needed to take! Thank you for your efforts in this video!
The animator of Momotaro Sea Eagle (Tadhito) would later do Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, as Mushi Studio would help Rankin Bass until Festival of Family Classics.
Rankin Bass was one of, if not the first studio to outsource their productions to a Japanese studio, dating back to their "New Adventures of Pinocchio" series in 1960. Topcraft replaced Mushi as RB's 2D Animator in 1972, and Topcraft would eventually become... Get this... Studio Ghibli. So the next time you're watching "Twas The Night Before Christmas" or "The Last Unicorn", just know that most of the animators who worked on those went on to work on some of the most influential animated films of all time.
I went to see Jujutsu Kaisen 0 this weekend, and watching this video proof of how ridiculously far the genre has come.
This was so good and informative, I learned a lot here I never knew about before! Thank you for this amazing video.
A really good video.
That opening bit reminded me so much of my early day too. I do remember Toon-head and I do remember watching old uncensored Tom and Jerry cartoon before going to Elementary School. They were wonderful times for me. And if I remember also, all the times Toonami have traumatized me with all of its weirdness. with the only thing, I could really remember were only two episodes of flcl (4&1, in that exact order) and the Miyazaki Movie Marathon. but in the end, it was wonderful none the less. even if these two things stuck into my mind like some unending itch. I could really say they influenced me a lot in my later life. In my creative way of things.
I also remember a time when I was a kid where my father would show me VHS tapes of classic Warner Bros cartoons and early Disney cartoons that he tapped at the time when I was born.
I think that was like him allowing me to understand the cartoons that he grew up with, and I am passing on my knowledge of Anime to the next generation of my younger family members.
So I think there is a part of our lives that we take in the old as well as take in the newer stuff and passing that off to the next generation who will find their own niche hobbies to enjoy themselves with.
18:16 I’m dying
I've been a causal viewer fir a while but I'd appreciate more of these documentary style videos.
Great video. Very informative and the research done on it is very well done.
Hey, thanks for your work. Really enjoy all your videos. Well researched, and super underrated. 🙏🏽
This video taught me so much! :O Easy to follow, very well written, and videos used were so good! Idk i really liked this, thanks :)
There is something wholesome seeing old fanart before the internet time. Not all of them may be wholesome but it's there is something humble about it.
Excellent video! Can't believe it doesn't have more views.
Well feel free to share it. I can only do so much in promoting my own content.
Love your content! Windsor Mc Kay’s Gertie wasn’t done on celluloid though, he drew on rice paper.
Awesome video.
so American influenced Anime cool.
wow this was good.
Duh
Awesome video
P.S. your music selection was awesome
17:45 Superman also influenced Goku’s conception. Goku’s origin story is clearly derived from Superman’s; being shot into space right before their home planet blew up and landing on earth.
I was surprised to see this video with so much research and care put into it has so few views, it deserves way more
Just encountered this video and I must say amazing job mate.
Como me gustaría que hubieran mas videos hablando de este tema en la comunidad otaku hispanohablante y mas en la anglosajona, nuevo suscriptor.
As I wish there were more videos talking about this topic in the Spanish-speaking otaku community and more in the Anglo-Saxon, new subscriber.
Great work, as usual.
Very informative. I can't say more because I learned a little of something I didn't know. Hope you can still grow as a youtube creator.
these videos are gold
This video is for the 90’s kids! Learned so much about animation through Cartoon Network. And shout out to you for najubes beats in the background
Love both old school American cartoons and Japanese Anime. Animation as a whole is a gateway to another world.
Amazing research on this.
This channel is severely underrated!
That "Mickey VS Japan" Japanimation you showed was from 1936 before WW2
This deserves more attention.
Fantastic video dude and glad someone went as in depth as you did with describing the influence America had on Japanese animation (which I feel is something lost on people who aren't aware of the history).
I love your history videos.
8:07 That's definitely not gibberish.
_Hitotsu daijina_
_Totte oki kotoba_
_Sore wa watashi no 'boop oop a doop'_
It's basically the Japanese translation of her lyrics.
I’m doing research for this love letter comic I’m making abd u are very appreciated!
Great video
3:44 i guess this is also one of the first color films ever because of the hat
Animation is a medium for everyone to enjoy, Including Anime. It won't exist one without the other.
Anime is just short for animation in Japanese culture. You should have just said Japanese animation.
6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon: Animation Edition
Thanks for making such a well-researched and informative video! ^_^ One thing I slightly disagree with though (and correct my if I'm wrong) is Naruto influencing the creation of Deku. Based on me understanding of his character and Horikoshi's interviews, Western superhero comics--in particular Spider-Man--was the primary inspiration behind Deku's character.
when i watched cartoon network after 10 pm or so they broadcasted crazy, old and black and white mgm fantastic films.
im quite sure that Tezuka's influence for Metropolis was the film Metropolis [1927]... :D
i didnt realize that japan was such a fan of the Fleichers altough even many of Miyazaki's character designs borrow heavily from them.
thanks for this video!
Great essay
18:10 no love for Lum from Urusei Yatsura ?
@
Eva Palma
Yes! There is love for Lum. She the true quoter of "darling". Not even Zero-Two from Darling in the Franxx can match that.
This is a pretty good video talking about the influences of animation, though I now I want a more in depth video on the Japanese influences on anime. *Leans in closely and whispers.* By the way when is digimon going to get it's time on this show?
In the 2030s 2 split screens of western animation and Japanese anime.
Betty, Snow White and the cookie girl were all animated by Grim Natwick who had an eye for drawing women.
So he could be credited for influencing the "anime style"
12:12 Ha!
I knew of Tank Tankuro that was a manga from the 1930s.
That as well as the 1917's The Blunt Katana animated short.
Seems like there's a leap between the Astro boy look and the 90's anime look... how very curious...
Actually according to game theory the Fleischers introduced sound
Yeah but the Mickey cartoon made sound cartoons popular
Game theory is reasonable in the field of culture. American animation has been weakening, and Japanese animation is growing stronger and stronger. The American animation market will be completely dominated by foreign culture (subculture).In this case, American animation practitioners are forced to make changes.
7:15 Aanndd now a Betty Boop yokai will haunt my dreams.
18:56 lil Dragonball Wave in the soundtrack :0
Another major influence is Bruce Lee’s films. Enter the Dragon in particular. They brought East Asian entertainment to a global audience and established the modern martial arts genre, around which many anime are based. Stan Lee went as far as to say that every martial arts-based character owes their existence in part to Bruce. Bruce and his films influenced plenty of other media outside of modern anime/manga, too.
What's the name of the cartoon at 11:28 with Mickey Mouse?
A rise and fall of Spumco would be interesting fodder for a video.
Like my daddy told me its all about your own spin that you put on it art is a beautiful and amazing thing
13:39 Are you for real?? No censorship??
To be fair, artist have always borrowed from each other (I could point in the other direction of American artist being influenced by Asian sources, like Whistler. How can you get more American than Whistler?), but even that kinda misses the point- it's when you are creating idioms that influence generations after that you've come into your own.Bit taken from discussing the history of heavy metal: you could claim other bands originated metal prior to Black Sabbath, but not afterwards. They are ground zero.
What is the anime at 18:43? Gosh darn cute.
Whats the name of the song at the end of the video?
@KaiserBeamz Do You Also Like Disney?
The animated productions and the history? Yes.
The company itself? Not so much.
@@KaiserBeamz but at the end of the day anime would not be what it is without american cartoon influence.
We see now that the cartoons of the golden age helped to influence anime and manga and we see things circiling back when western cartoons take influence from the anime medium (to varying qualities of success)
but this begs a question.
Is there any western show made these days that would be looked at in japan and would influence anime the way the old guard did when anime and manga were barely starting out?
Psssh how does this have only like 634 👍? This is awesome-sauce
Please give more credit to the French... They created what he now know as Cartoons and without them we well wouldn't.
How do you mention Betty Boop without shouting out Josephine Baker?
10:48 Well, in one way or another, japan's conquest was the central point that changed all the asian frog kings living in their own well countries in and brought so many changes in Asia. For example, I don't think China would be the same china it currently is without the invasion of japan.
Great video.
But now I'm interested how Japanese animation try to release their works to the world, and how the world got influence on the Japanese animation.
I thought that Astroboy influenced Rockman.😅
I used the original Japanese term for the blue bomber
Casshern was also a big influence as well.
the fact that this video only has 20k views is why we don't haven nice things, people love to rewrite history about everything even the little shit
What are they rewriting?
18:42 ANIME NAME?
Betty Boop :troll:
Now the anime become the big influence of American and European drawing and cartoons
Influence in mannerisms and facial expressions yes. But the art style: the eyes and body figure UNMISTAKABLY WESTERN (Example Superman 1940s by Fleischer to Justice League 2023)
@@dappykenny38
Even the art style became unique and many American artists copied it
I still view 1920s to 90s western Animation and found that the semi realistic depiction of eyes is consistent. However, you can see the traces of American influence to modern Japanese anime
@@dappykenny38
Yes I agree but still the Japanese influence bigger than American
@@dappykenny38 you have also a Japanese artists influenced by the western artists like ip wereks. Milt gross . and bob clampett and french artists and so many
So you can say the American is who developed it
But in modern days the Japanese art and became the influencer
man wtf America before they looked better than Japanese cartoon (anime), but now anime (usually from japan, but not anymore) looks way better than current Cartoons (usually from America).
gotta disagree with this. Take a look at Ben 10 and Generator Rex, not to mention Mortal Kombat Legends and numerous Western Animations to boot.
@@dappykenny38 those are like 1 in a 100. like anime almost 9 out of 10.
My Grandma was a Japanese girl living in Taiwan before the war, and she told me about when she saw Betty Boop for the first time. She says she thought the character design was the most modern and sophisticated she ever saw.
I am an animation fan, I hate the arguments the anime is better than western. I love both, and those come out as sounding like annoying snobs.
I like it but the French should get all the credit