How To Clean Throttle Body // Honda CRV , Civic R20A1

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2017
  • Hi Viewers. In this episode i will be demonstrating on How to clean your Throttle body of a Honda CRV RE1 Engine R20a1. This method requires to take apart the Air intake components to access the Throttle body assembly off the engine.
    If you are unsure about this DIY . Please feel free to contact me details down below .
    Tools needed :
    Chemical spray (carbon cleaner)
    Socket 12mm
    Screw driver
    Long nose pliers
    ½ “ Ratchet drive
    Old Rag to wipe
    Old Tooth brush
    Additional note : Best to use new gasket replacement ( I am re using old gasket for this purpose video ) and retighten TB bolts criss cross pattern using torque wrench to 16 - 18ft lbs .
    If your car idle incorrectly please do Idle relearn process:
    1. Disconnect negative battery for 10 mins then reconnect the battery.
    2. Put the car key on ACC for 2 seconds
    3. Start the car up and press the gas pedal to 3000rpm for 5 -10 mins (until both radiator fans comes on).
    4. Release gas pedal and let it idle for 2 mins . Shut off engine .
    5. Restart engine as per normal .
    Effect and advantages :
    Better throttle response , better fuel economy , better airflow .
    Please do this at your own risk . I will not held any responsible over any damages that can occurs while doing this task.
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    Any input are welcome in the comments section below.
    Thank you and Peace.
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Komentáře • 162

  • @montecristo8624
    @montecristo8624 Před měsícem +2

    Greetings from London. Thanks to your video gained the confidence to clean my TB on my 2013 mk4 crv. Cheers

  • @bronniesboy
    @bronniesboy Před rokem +4

    Honda Accord euro 2009 2.0 R20A3 just cleaned out whilst ignition on position 2 and weight on gas peddle so butterfly is fully open/closed. After clean, disconnect battery for 15 mins, reconnect with all lights and radio off, go to ignition positon 2 for 2 seconds, then start car, run at 3000rpm for 5 mins or until fan kicks in, and throttle position relearn is all done, set ready to go. Idle rock steady and running sweet 👌😙. This teaches ECU the adjusted position of throttle after it has been cleaned

  • @petertraina
    @petertraina Před 3 lety +7

    Very well done!! Nice editing, good camera angles!

  • @jerrymeza
    @jerrymeza Před 3 lety +6

    Thanks, dealer told me it needs to be done, but 170 for it, I think I can do that myself

  • @glennsmith2896
    @glennsmith2896 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video 👍
    Thank you.

  • @kisangkim1105
    @kisangkim1105 Před rokem +1

    I checked my Honda civic 2015 at 85k miles, but very clean already.

  • @jello1847
    @jello1847 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you great video!

  • @HeruTjahjadi
    @HeruTjahjadi Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks Bro Felix, video yg bagus. Sangat membantu.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      Sm sm brother

    • @HeruTjahjadi
      @HeruTjahjadi Před 3 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Bro Felix, Setelah cleaning throttle body perlu idle learning lagi?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety +1

      @@HeruTjahjadi kalau rpm naik turun harus. tp jika tidak, tidak perlu setting idle learning.

  • @RicardoRodriguez-qb8kn

    Thank you Dan.

  • @mouhamadchebbo2770
    @mouhamadchebbo2770 Před 2 lety +1

    Very well done, very professional.
    I have a honda CRV 2015 4wd im getting 18l/100k very bad fuel consumption, my friend have the same car he’s getting 10L/100k, i have changed air filter only and i wanna know if i should take it to mechanic or should i clean the MAF and the pcv valve first! Is there anything else i can look it!! The car has 68000k.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 2 lety

      Yes definately clean maf sensor and pcv. Also id recommend if you can clean the Throttle body aswell.

  • @daniloymasa3295
    @daniloymasa3295 Před rokem +1

    Thanks A Lot Sir

  • @marcvercouter7442
    @marcvercouter7442 Před 2 lety +1

    Merci !!!

  • @alfanhadi4638
    @alfanhadi4638 Před 3 lety +2

    Hi, Felix. When you disconnected the coolant hoses running to the TB, did you experience any coolant leaks? Or is it necessary to bleed the air out of the radiator? I'm planning to do this service on my 2015 xtrail. The backside of the TB is pretty hard to reach. Thank you.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety +3

      yeap theres a small coolant hose on the TB. Once disconnect you will get small coolant spillage. You dont need to bleed the coolant just refill it after the TB service.

    • @alfanhadi4638
      @alfanhadi4638 Před 3 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto thanks bro. Much appreciated. Have a wonderful day

  • @imadpola6782
    @imadpola6782 Před 5 lety +4

    You should use a torque wrench my friend

  • @dannyjensen4954
    @dannyjensen4954 Před 3 lety

    Thanks

  • @bude8234
    @bude8234 Před 6 lety +4

    Sounds like the streets of somewhere in the Philippines?

  • @tracy2762
    @tracy2762 Před rokem

    at what miles was this done and whats your opinion on the shops that will spray cleaner into the intake which cleans throttle and engine from carbon by burning it off? i have a 2016 crv ex and 72000 miles on it..i bought it used so i am not sure the care it had..i do get a rough idle while stopped at lights and so i flip the headlights on to increase the idle..not sure if its just a honda quirk or a dirty issue...otherwise she runs good. thanks for your advice.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      i cant remember at what milage but it was higher than 60000kms. It is fine if you use spray cleaner into the throttle body. give it a go it might eliminate the rough idle.

  • @tomkoolman
    @tomkoolman Před rokem +1

    Is it necessary to pull out the whole throttle body everytime for cleaning?
    What's the torque spec of those bolts?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      Yeah better to remove the complete assy. Otherwise you also can clean without removing the whole unit just spray it with cleaner and a brush. But then after that you might want to rev the engine out so it burnts all the dirty residue out of the combustion chamber.

  • @ndumisonqadini7407
    @ndumisonqadini7407 Před rokem +1

    Hi, Felix, do you know where I can buy this same, new, aftermarket throttle body? I have struggled to get it on Amazon or EBay. Please help.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      www.ebay.com.au/itm/144329508146?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=eIqf63AtS1O&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=lJeLIxTEQY2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY maybe try this link.

  • @mchan1983
    @mchan1983 Před měsícem

    Can I slowly push the butterfly valve open to clean it and without disconnecting the battery?
    Thanks.

  • @rct4677
    @rct4677 Před 8 měsíci +1

    hey, watching here in philippines, can i ask something? where is the location of power steering fluid reservoir ro fill and atf reservoir to refill. thanks

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 8 měsíci

      this particula one dont have , its got EPS system not by power steering pump.

  • @wafz9810
    @wafz9810 Před 2 lety +2

    Is it necessary to clean the IACV for that kind of engine? Can you also make a video of it?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 2 lety +1

      you definately you can clean the IACV. Unfortunately i dont have this car anymore .

    • @bronniesboy
      @bronniesboy Před rokem

      Electrical contact cleaner only

  • @wafz9810
    @wafz9810 Před 2 lety

    I just want to ask if after cleaning, should be idle needed to relearn? Or not?

  • @ramshoja1455
    @ramshoja1455 Před rokem +1

    Hi boss
    I have got big questions.i had changed fuel injectors no1and 2 now my engine have problem again exactly like before change the ejection 1-2 .do you think I have to change 3and 4 Engection??!
    Regards Ram From Newcastle

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem +1

      better to scan the ecu which ones have issues.

    • @ramshoja1455
      @ramshoja1455 Před rokem

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto yes mate agree with .you are a legend
      Absolutely legend .I did that in Honda dealerships and they said number 3 is bad and the 4 is not very well that’s why they going to change bought .will be all 4 injectors brand new .hopefully be last for ever .🙏cheers boss

  • @damionjones5849
    @damionjones5849 Před 6 měsíci

    Hello, is this the same engine that comes in a 2012 Honda Stepwagon DBA-RK1? If so, what year is the Honda CRV you are working on?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 6 měsíci

      im not sure if its uses the same engine, but can look at the manual book to confirm.

  • @georgeugrinic7208
    @georgeugrinic7208 Před 4 lety

    What year honda CR-V does this work on

  • @romanvaliev160
    @romanvaliev160 Před 5 lety +1

    Do I need after I cleaned the choke, to make its adaptation?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 5 lety

      Yes clean the choke plate and Throttle body barrel.

    • @romanvaliev160
      @romanvaliev160 Před 5 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Adaptation using a computer need to do?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 5 lety

      @@romanvaliev160 if you have the tool . Yes please do it for accuracy setting.

    • @romanvaliev160
      @romanvaliev160 Před 5 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto The fact of the matter is that there is no such tool. Where I live, there are no special services for Honda. If the throttle does not work properly, then I have nowhere to go to fix it.

    • @romanvaliev160
      @romanvaliev160 Před 5 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto thanks for answers

  • @diynidro1131
    @diynidro1131 Před 2 lety

    Where is the idle air control valve in that engine?

  • @bronniesboy
    @bronniesboy Před rokem +1

    What were the symptoms before the clean and the difference experienced after? Regards

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem +2

      Before cleaning the car hesitates to accelerate effecting the MPG. After cleaning the car response much better and restores car mpg.

    • @bronniesboy
      @bronniesboy Před rokem +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto thanks, what is that plastic sensor just downstream of the throttle body on top, I forgot the name of it? Did that need spraying too with electrical contact cleaner? Also did you lose much coolant

  • @shawlix
    @shawlix Před 3 lety +1

    Hi, Please do you know where the fuel filter is located on this vehicle? I need to replace it and i can't find the location. Thanks

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety +1

      its built within the fuel pump unit.

    • @shawlix
      @shawlix Před 3 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Can it be cleaned if i get the fuel pump out?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@shawlix yes ofcourse

    • @shawlix
      @shawlix Před 3 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Thanks. Will let you know how i get on with it.

  • @thefrugaljeeper4054
    @thefrugaljeeper4054 Před rokem +1

    Are you supposed to remove the whole thing or just spray it while running the engine?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      either way r fine , you can choose which ones are the easiest for you to clean.

  • @luqmanhakim2862
    @luqmanhakim2862 Před 6 lety

    Apa penyebab crv 2005 rpm nyampek 3000 ter sendad sedad

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 6 lety

      Luqman Hakim . Kemungkinan besar crv nya mengalami kerusakan pada salah satu sensor di mesin . ECU komputer mobil harus di diagnosa mengunakan obd reader untuk mengetahui lebih pastinya.

  • @frankd.brennan6520
    @frankd.brennan6520 Před 4 lety +1

    Is that the fly by wire type

  • @davidsrg1
    @davidsrg1 Před 3 lety +1

    Fuel consumption is better after clean?

  • @PokuzFoint1982
    @PokuzFoint1982 Před 3 lety

    I have crv 2009 automatic my gas pedal is hard to press do you know how to fix it

  • @mongeesan6662
    @mongeesan6662 Před rokem

    Hi boss, can advise my crv SWA model after do engine valve adjustment, when in cool engine start, the rpm will go down below 500rpm after press the brake and in Reverse gear ?
    The rpm not consistent in 750~800
    I had clean the TB and EGR valve and it still the same issue

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      have you check the spark plug and coil pack? have you clean PCV valve? do you have any error codes (EML) .

    • @mongeesan6662
      @mongeesan6662 Před rokem +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto All the spark plugs are new, and there's no error code, the pcv valve is located at where ?
      I had ordered 4pcs of new plug coil, when arrive will change it

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      @@mongeesan6662 i have post video on this engine R20A1. do you have k24a engine or the r20a engine ?

    • @mongeesan6662
      @mongeesan6662 Před rokem

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Ya, just check with Google, I had change the new PCV valve already, the rpm is still unconsistent too, is any other sensor will affect this issue ?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      @@mongeesan6662 maybe disconnect the battery for 10 mins to reset the ecu let see if thats fix the problem.

  • @sofianomsof2870
    @sofianomsof2870 Před 4 lety +1

    Om, mengatasi rpm idle naik turun setelah throttle body dibersihkan bagaimana yaa??

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety +1

      Apakah sebelum bro bersihkan Throttle body baterenya sudah di copot?? Kalo belum coba di copot baterenya dahulu selama 10 menit dan kemudian pasangkan kembali baterenya ini untuk me reset ecunya. Jika sudah lakukan copot batere dan problemnya masih ada maka coba tahan gasnya pedalnya pada saat mesin nyala di 3000rpm selama 3 - 5 menit. Terima kasih.

  • @semangkaism
    @semangkaism Před 4 lety

    Horas Medan, bung Felix. (liat di aki ada nomer BK nya hahaha). BTW, kenapa kabel negatif aki dilepas ? Bukankah tindakan ini akan menyebabkan gangguan pd komputer nya?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety

      Supaya mencegah adanya korslet di komputer mobil sebaiknya di copot aebelum start pekerjaanya.

  • @archannel8599
    @archannel8599 Před 2 lety +1

    Setelah cleaning throttle biasanya kan harus di learning ya om, pernah coba learning throttle secara manual gak om di honda crv bongkok ? Klo pernah boleh share dong 😀

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 2 lety +2

      Relearn nya bisa lewat obd ecu. Ataupun bisa dengan cara manual saja nnti setelah 5 sd 10 menit mobil dijalankan komputer ecu mobil nya bisa menstabilkan TB nya tersendiri.

  • @nikooliver1
    @nikooliver1 Před rokem +1

    R20A fuel efficient as well?

  • @dondimartin6235
    @dondimartin6235 Před 2 lety +1

    Can someone guide me what to do after cleaning the TB my crv consumed more fuel.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 2 lety +1

      disconnect battery for 10 mins let it idle for 15 mins & drive it slow for 10 mins so the ecu relearns properly so you get the best performance out of it.

    • @dondimartin6235
      @dondimartin6235 Před 2 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Than you Dan, I’m doing it now. i’ll update once it done.

    • @dondimartin6235
      @dondimartin6235 Před 2 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto Hello Dan, Thank you so much! perfectly work! I just followed your instructions. 🍻🍻😊

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 2 lety

      @@dondimartin6235 No problemo. 👌

    • @tracy2762
      @tracy2762 Před rokem

      change engine and cabin filters

  • @sofianomsof2870
    @sofianomsof2870 Před 4 lety

    Om itu kabel merah di +aki kabel power audio yaa?? Jalurnya dari mana yaa? Saya rencana mau pasang subwooofer sendiri tapi belum dapet cari lobang untuk tarik kabelnya dari kabin ke aki. Mohon pencerahannya om 🙏

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety

      Iya btul mas. Itu ad karet kabel ecu ikuti dari firewall chassis nya

    • @sofianomsof2870
      @sofianomsof2870 Před 4 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto tembusnya dekat evaporator ya om?? Dari kabin apa aja yang harus dibongkar ya om??

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety

      @@sofianomsof2870 laci glove box bongkar. Di bawah kipas ovaporator btul mas.

    • @sofianomsof2870
      @sofianomsof2870 Před 4 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto okee makasi banyak om 🙏🙏

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety

      @@sofianomsof2870 laci glove box bongkar. Di bawah kipas ovaporator btul mas.

  • @Abamroy999
    @Abamroy999 Před 4 lety

    After cleaning do you have check engine light problem?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety

      All good no problems here. If you have check engine . Please check any connection make sure they r plugged back in.

  • @degdee3247
    @degdee3247 Před 3 lety

    Before clening engine have problem ?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety +1

      Throttle response was very slow.

    • @degdee3247
      @degdee3247 Před 3 lety +1

      can you advice my car enging have virbrate when air comp. working and round 750 rpm (changed spark plug & air fillter) thk.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@degdee3247 check if you have a weak motor mounts ??

    • @degdee3247
      @degdee3247 Před 3 lety

      thank you

  • @audis6m
    @audis6m Před 3 lety

    What about throttle adaptation and you forgot to clean IACV .

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      Dont worry about TB adaptation. It should relearn by itself by driving for an hour or so .

  • @karlomendoza5205
    @karlomendoza5205 Před 3 lety

    do i need relearn the rpm?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety +1

      if your rpm goes higher after the TB service yes it needs to be relearn.

  • @sher12346weng
    @sher12346weng Před 3 lety

    Do where is the location of 2nd clutch sensor for this car?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      Im not sure. Sorry bro.

    • @sher12346weng
      @sher12346weng Před 3 lety

      Hi hello mr. Dan, can you please help me to locate where is the iacv of honda crv 2011?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@sher12346weng need more info . What engine code does ur car have.

    • @sher12346weng
      @sher12346weng Před 3 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAutono error appear but i just want to know only the location of iACV somebody told me that i need to check or clean that part to have better idle.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@sher12346weng i mean what typenof engine doesnur car have is it R series or K series gasoline engine?

  • @katyusha7304
    @katyusha7304 Před 2 lety +1

    Some crv model need to be reset after doing this activity....

  • @charlesss3674
    @charlesss3674 Před 6 lety

    is it ok not to remove the throttle body in the engine?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 6 lety +2

      Charles Fortinez it is also fine not to remove the Throttle body . You also could just spray the TB plate with the cleaner and wipe it gently with rag becareful not to force open the TB plate.

    • @mr.tuckers2848
      @mr.tuckers2848 Před 3 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto thanks for sharing the video. If you don’t remove the TB then how would you clean the other side of the plate as well as the manifold behind it?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@mr.tuckers2848 im afraid you have to remove the TB completely to clean the other side of the plate

  • @richardamancio
    @richardamancio Před 3 lety

    Do it need to be relearn?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      Nope just let it idle for 5 mins

    • @richardamancio
      @richardamancio Před 3 lety

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto mine starts to fluctuate not in idle but in deceleration after release the gas pedal.

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 3 lety

      @@richardamancio drive it for a while . It should relearn it self.

    • @richardamancio
      @richardamancio Před 3 lety +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto the PCM need to reset and idle relearn is needed. This will happen if the valve is pushed open.

  • @timwilke16
    @timwilke16 Před 4 lety

    Job incomplete where’s the idle relearn?

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před 4 lety +1

      The ecu will relearn by itself. Make sure you disconnect negative battery prior performing this service. Just give it a couple of mins warming up the vehicle. This car had no running issue and idle 100% perfect after the service.

  • @jamesdegaugh4316
    @jamesdegaugh4316 Před 2 měsíci +1

    disconect them horn s in the cars

  • @ebeegeebeefofeebee3181

    Sorry buddy but it is absolutely recommend that THROTLE BODY CLEANER be used on a throtle body.

  • @anubhavredhu0121
    @anubhavredhu0121 Před rokem +1

    Is this engine reliable

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      yeap its a reliable engine.

    • @anubhavredhu0121
      @anubhavredhu0121 Před rokem +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto is this reliable like honda 1.5 ivtek engine in honda city sedan

    • @anubhavredhu0121
      @anubhavredhu0121 Před rokem +1

      @@FelixDanGarasiAuto is honda 5 speed automatic ( torque converter) in crv 2013 to 2018 reliable

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      @@anubhavredhu0121 very similar yes

    • @FelixDanGarasiAuto
      @FelixDanGarasiAuto  Před rokem

      @@anubhavredhu0121 yeap as long as the prev owner regularly service the car should be a good car to buy. 👍🏼

  • @agnisinatria3520
    @agnisinatria3520 Před 4 lety

    Has anyone try this app for throttle reset or relearning via bluetooth OBD2?
    play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tjsapps.throttle.reset&hl=en
    Suggested video:
    czcams.com/video/jHQkKBdZbPs/video.html

  • @edgarokras5695
    @edgarokras5695 Před 4 lety +2

    Video title supposed to be HOW YOU SHOULDN'T CLEAN IT...

    • @tomatexelon
      @tomatexelon Před 2 lety +1

      If your going to say this, then explain why.