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hey, please don't leave hate comments towards creators pls. not cool.
Can't believe people have time to hate on the people mentioned in this story when you're clearly the worst of all... GMT - 6... Is that even a real timezone? Dax should have been tweeting about that for two hours. #GMTPlus10ftw
Not cool My friend. Agree 100%
for real man. i’m always seeing this and it makes me sad
it's easy to forget that a bad review can be seen as "hateful"
@@Kane0123UTC is the best time zone :)
I'm constantly becoming more and more convinced, that not using Twitter was a good decision
What was the first hint, lol.
Damn. You so read my mind.
Amazing choice. All social media is filled with are social media programmers yapping away wanting to sound smart so bad instead just letting whatever “work” they have speak for itself, if they actually have any anyways.
Same
Leaving Twitter was one of the best decisions of my life as far as mental health is concerned, it's useful to build an audience if you're a content creator, but even then in that case it should be write-only. If you're arguing with people you've already lost.
The vercel anti benchmark clause is a "DeWitt" clause, named after the researcher who got sued by Oracle for benchmarking their db ~40 years ago
TIL! Thanks for cluing me in to this piece of legal history!
I'm constantly becoming more and more convinced, that my fellow developers are dumber by 47% on average every year.
Its javascript/typescript fault
chatgippety
@@ficolas2nah every newb goes through dumb phase so it's not exclusive to javascript.
@@ficolas2naw. Just a lot of new devs used to copy paste
Graphs or it’s not true.
Prim making the sad saxophone and not knowing the Kendrick bar 😂😂😂
i didn’t wanna say anything
It was the real womp womp woooooooooom
Trombone lol
Vercel developers making the classic mistake thinking JavaScript developers understand performance, or anything related to how a runtime actually works. Been there, still do it.
I'm constantly becoming more and more convinced, that I've been convinced.
I am convinced that I am convinced of you becoming more and more convinced of being convinced.
it's one thing to bullshit the general public, but it takes a special kind of brazen to think you can bullshit your peers
The way Dax spoke about AJ, you know the guy is an actual Serverless Hero.
Too bad this is the year of serverlesslessness
It’s not going anywhere. It’s literally the only way to scale something up.
@@Kane0123 That’s completely insane statement… At large scale bare metal is virtually always more efficient, serverless is literally only good if you are super small.
@@UnidimensionalPropheticCatgirl before Nov 13 2014 there was nothing but single user websites, its science.
@@Kane0123 I mean, no, definitely no, we scale everything on prem... And since server less is just accessible on prem, so yeah
Probably the biggest reason I stopped watching Theo. Whenever he talks about anything that isn't React or Nextjs, most of the information he shares is just full of misinformation. Some examples of this is when he compared Vue's DOM update model to React's and said that they are the same, whenever he talks about Vue or Svelte in general, etc.
His entire debacle with DarkViper and the honeypot thing also made me lose all respect for him. He got called out and he immediately played the victim even though he was clearly in the wrong. Even encouraging everyone to not do business with honeypot anymore.
I don't think it's been taken down yet, but Theo actively shat on David Khourshid for his "Goodbye useEffect" video 2-ish years ago
Like, David isn't always the best about presenting his points in the most straightforward way possible, but it's clear that he's super earnest, and was trying to up-level other devs. And he was vindicated, because the React docs published their "You might not need an effect" article not that long after
I forgot what got Theo worked up, but the way that he just called David a "motherfucker" made me realize just how much he's a temperamental narcissist who's pathologically incapable of respecting other people's viewpoints
yep, my feed definitively improved when I unfollowed him.
@@DubiousNachos Exactly. He speaks with so much arrogance that I honestly don't know how he even has a following.
If you think about it hard enough and remove all intelligent thought from your brain, you should see how Theo is right and that everything is exactly the same as React and that React is everything forever and always. I hope this helped you see how everything is React.
>video length 33:33
>Triangle in the logo
very funny
Video says 33:32 for me
@@abtix did you count from zero?)
@@user-fm3wd6uh7chaaaaaaaa
@@user-fm3wd6uh7c LMAO
@@user-fm3wd6uh7cFrom my observation on mobile videos are always a tiny bit shorter, the last few frames are missing and you can notice that some videos flash something at the end quickly and it just isn't there on mobile
He saved them from sounding silly during a conference :P I'd be thanking this guy.
Oh man, two of my favorite streamers. Great job guys.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
AWS vs vercel sounds like the the game of what java arguments to use for a minecraft modpack... just a pair of "in theory" , "in practice" and "in your case"
It’s worse, AWS inability to provide docs average JS dev can understand and reasonable DX has created entire cottage industry of wrappers around it. Vercel is literally just wrapper, with the added bonus of having to pay Vercel fees on top of the standard AWS fees…
@@UnidimensionalPropheticCatgirl AWS docs are horrible, but a braindead monkey can read them, i've seen them do it. JS devs must have the ability, if they are able to configure the 30 billion config files required for basic transpile & linting setup
@@UnidimensionalPropheticCatgirl maybe it's my tism but even AWS doesn't seem to bad. Like it's just clicky website with tech docs? maybe one should think about their choice of carrier if they cant handle high level shit?
@@hhvhhvcz Yeah it’s not that bad, but from time to time they have tendency to put stuff into the most ass backwards places, and aws in general can be pretty awkward to navigate. But as I said we are talking about average JS dev.
@@UnidimensionalPropheticCatgirlwell one thing you don't consider is Vercel doesn't require credit card for sign up...
AND ITS HUGE
This has to be like the 137th time I've asked myself that very question.
Too much drama, cloud is a trap.
For simpletons, yes.
You should invite Dax more often
So... this whole situation is about companies being called out on misleading information or ambiguity, not about Twitter's acidic landscape... if the message is authentic doesn't matter if it's written in toilet paper. A question for The People of Prime: Should I unfollow Theo? I'm a little tired of how he is constantly having absolutes like siding with Vercel or jumping the shark on stuff like "The Edge"... people gotta live to learn, but people like him and Prime here have a voice... so don't be like Saruman of many colors.
I personally no longer watch Theo, but in this case, you should do what _you_ think is right. Don't do it because someone else tells you to.
@@marioprawirosudiro7301 you can't expect independent thinking from an adult. No it's all twitter's fault! We live le society! Will no one think about the poor growth hackers?
@@marioprawirosudiro7301 Oh I'm not going to act solely on people's opinion, I'm just asking other what they think, you know, perspective helps.
I have warmed up to Theo lately, but I hear your concerns.
now that you said abt it, may next time whenever I announce something cool I should write it in toilet paper.
Not a Vercel fanboy, but like for 90-95% of use cases, isn't it easy to self host? One container, one VPS ?
Source: my own experience so far
Serverless is a complexity spirit demon waiting to bite you in the a$$
Bro you need infinite scale. Otherwise how will your basic to-do app or hello world blow up and serve millions of requests?
@@protocj3735 I totally agree and imo running a fullstack app in serverless is almost satanic but I found Dax’s statement a bit dramatic (not ignoring his experience on Open Next tho so I might be missing some context besides the serverless)
@@Kane0123 Forget crypto coins, vercel bills to the MOON 🚀🚀🚀
@@protocj3735 I get it but running serverless fullstack apps??? Who in their right mind would recommend it
I've worked with Lambdas in the past & even for pure backend tasks it's been a hassle
32:00 That sounds like forgetting to eat in a video game and just dying randomly lmao
I'm just imagining the dude perfectly fine one moment, GMod ragdolling the next.
I heve been listening to Kendrick. 😀😀 Nice inspiration
Surprised the Primeagen doesn’t schedule meetings in UTC.
Any event or occasion that is international in any way should provide UTC+0 time as well any other local timezone they use. Or, at the very least, give the UTC offset of the local timezone so I don't have to look up what the 3-letter timezone code actually means lol
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Why are these corporations even permitting devs to talk about projects on their personal Twitter? They need to NDA that stuff.
So i imagine we get a cold start because the a compute thing is not internally provisioned for our lambda. And then when we start getting requests, the overseer keeps a buffer of 1 or 2 or n number of compute things warm in case requests start scaling.
My question is, if the the requests start scaling more than what compute resources we have as buffer(these being kept warm by the overseer) can handle, could we get a cold scale up?
I understand that the relevance is even less that that of a cold start. This just a thought...
I would recommend that everyone read the AWS Lambda SLA, it has many of these answers, last time I read it my takeaway was that there were few if any guarantees around cold start performance. There have been some improvements since, I am unclear on those details. Always read the TOS and SLA of any service you plan to consume.
VC funding 🤷🏾♂️ they probably made claims to the suits
I'm not on Twitter, but if I was, I'd definitely be following Dax. He's got some really great takes, and is reasonable with his takes.
Can someone link his podcast? The name is too common to find with a generic web search.
it's called "how about tomorrow" - www.youtube.com/@tomorrowfm
imma uise this as an excuse to migrate from nextjs to vanilla js
Now I understood what happen with Vercel!
An intro would be useful for this video. The cut straight to a conversation with no context was suboptimal.
The way that stock-focused labourers use words like "function" always throws me off
i also thought dax's handle is thx dr, like thanks doctor...
as the ancient wisdom goes,,
tom’s a genius
I really dont get lamdas in general.
So the idea is, instead of having a service always there, you only have a router, and the RPC goes to lamda, which spins up, processes, shutsdown.
But, if all you want to do, is call a function on a server, that isn't online yet.
Aren't there like tons of other, better, faster options, to spin up a machine load bytecode and execute it, than spinning up a node process lmao?
Wait. I am confused.. Do the benchmarks show that classic Lambdas are faster than keto without electrolytes ?
Why use lambda if you are having basically constant traffic?
Is it just that the workload mentioned requires very dynamic scaling?
I guess it makes sense for vercel building a a serverless product as lambda is a system that already exists and they don't have to implement the runtime, deployments etc. but if you have your own workload then ECS is probably better?
Because people are 🐑
"Web Devs".
based prime!
What is vercel? I heard what ever it is terribly optimised which automatically means I ignore it, but the name keeps popping up.
Vercel is the company behind Next.js, a react fullstack framework. They offer hosting/deployment saas that caters to their framework
Basically AWSes (which is amazons public cloud platform) inability to provide docs average JS dev can understand and reasonable DX has created entire cottage industry of wrappers around it. Vercel is literally just wrapper, with the added bonus of having to pay Vercel fees on top of the standard AWS fees…
Never seen Dax before he looks like a cool guy
So in other words, going back to servers is the way, because based on the sounds of this, they are keeping the seat warm to avoid your site hitting a cold start of which then what's the difference between this and a server?
Or use Cloudflare workers.
Loved the video, but please make Dax' head smaller next time. I'm trying to read the posts lol
@21:35 Edge and Node are MOSTLY the same; some of the Node APIs are missing from the edge runtime; hope your dependencies didn't rely on them!
Edge is not a runtime, it refers to specific nodes in network topology, the fact that nextjs, vercel and co. throw bunch of random marketing lingo around it and pretend like it’s some novel concept is completely meaningless. Your edge, core and server nodes might run different code or even runtimes but they don’t have to.
ALL HAIL THE TRIANGLE COMPANY
what do they mean by cold start in serverless?
When a serverless function is started, it takes some time to start. This is a cold start. If another request comes in while it is still running, they do not have to wait for the function to start and this is called a warm start
@@tercmd got it. thanks
Bro trust me... Use EC2 and Docker and live a happy life
I am a khhv truvercel
Vercel’s TOS sent me running the other direction a long while back. It’s awful, frankly.
I'd stay away from Vercel's products simply because they took VC's money, and those guys want their money back. With profit.
They have to generate false statements about breaking records because they need their customer base to grow.
And when this task fails, they'll go scorched earth on the existing customers that are using their infra.
You just can't make those $300m in profit with that product.
lmaolang rules!
My datadawg
Just don't use serverless functions, unless your scale is literally 0 for most of the time, and you don't care about spin up time. Almost always, a docker container will be better.
If you have to rely on cold start it’s because you don’t have enough traffic to make them busy enough. Build a script to call your apis every 10min then 😂
Why is there a difference in the concept of Node and the Edge. The Edge Runtime is a competitor to Node. The Edge Location not. But if we are talking about Edge and Node we should talk about runtimes.
Edge is not a runtime, it refers to specific nodes in network topology, the fact that nextjs, vercel and co. throw bunch of random marketing lingo around it and pretend like it’s some novel concept is completely meaningless. Your edge, core and server nodes might run different code or even runtimes but they don’t have to.
Really wish i knew this guys name 😢
nuxt gang 💚
I'm here just for the 33:33 video
Taking the L..
If they've taken it, this Video wouldn't exist. Streisand effect at its best
I had to click this because the shape had 3 edges, while the duration of this video was 33:33
hi
Dax always has the most based takes
0:38
He should just live in UTC or TAU time..
bro, twitter drama isn't worth anybody's time.
I’m here because of Google SIMA… does this count as hate towards creators?
DXR really is confusing name
Thdxr => The Development Experience-r. The Daxxer.
Dam when did Kyrie Irving shave his head?
don't use cloud platforms. definitely don't use platforms built on cloud platforms.
don't trust commenters with real face avatars, it's all hippies
why tho
What is even going on in this video? A 33 minute discussion over nothing.
kendrick inspiring people to be more of a hater in their day to day lives is having ripple effects across the globe
I assumed the wop wop wop wop wop was the soundtrack to Drakes recent song… is prime showing his inner dad here by interpreting it as womp womp woooooom or am I the old man not understanding today’s social media language?
@@Kane0123 its from a kendrick song
WHAP WHAP WHAP
WHAP WHAP
@@Kane0123it's from "Not Like Us" by Kendrick
@Kane0123 Yeah you right I noticed that too. I wonder if the people who replied to you actually read your message lol.
@@johnr3936 he thought it was a drake song dawg had to set the record straight
we aint reppin drake in my comment replies 😤
while i agree with Dax's side here. He's framing the argument a lot. Hand waving the other side's point of view
delete all cloud
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Give a shout-out to dude in the description. Come on now
8th
firstttt
Twitter is just tiktok for boomers.
Change my mind.
I don't think they're even remotely similar..
Twitter is Facebook for TikTok. At the very least CZcams Shorts is Facebook messenger for Rust
I would say it's TikTok for millenials.
@@hypergraphic idk I do not use it. But the shortening of the messages and hype culture will not encourage me to try it xD.
i dont care...
this dude lied about his NextJS benchmarks like a month ago and got dunked on by Theo
"this dude", there are several in this vid, you should probably be more specific...
How embarassing to get dunked on by Theo 😂
Can you share a link?
@@Jeppelelle the guy being interviewed, who else would I possibly be talking about based on the context of my comment?
@@BCRooke1 just find theo’s video on nextjs benchmarking from a couple weeks ago
Literally "Erm akshually 🤓☝" moment.
We live in world of exaggeration, where everyone compare performance of hello world programs, *Vercel in this context does nothing wrong at all.*
They lied.
@@theropoy9371 oh no, how could they :(
Prime listen bud!
I came here to tell you that I will NOT WATCH your vid.
Do something else than just putting a triangle and a fomo text in your thumbnail. Will ya?
Closing this vid now.
yt comments are a mistake
If the thumbnails change in any meaningful way I will NOT WATCH your vids.
Legend
Just came here to tell you that I'm not commenting on your video