How to Find the PERFECT Cello Bow - An in-depth tutorial on what to look for when buying a cello bow

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  • čas přidán 28. 08. 2024

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  • @neosceptic6366
    @neosceptic6366 Před rokem +3

    One technique that I have found useful in any selection activity is to try the first item (bow, cello, etc.). Then try the second. Whichever one you like best, becomes your reference. Put the one you like least aside. Compare the third item to the reference. If you like it better than the reference, it becomes your new reference. Put the non-reference item aside. Continue this process until you have tried all the candidates.
    It is easier to compare two items against each other in real time than it is to compare a number of them based on your notes written after each try. If you want to find a second best, set the winner from the first round aside (in a special place) and go through the process again with the remaining items. Hope this helps. Love your videos.

  • @constance486
    @constance486 Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you. I could watch you all day just trying bows ☺️

  • @Dansfanxx
    @Dansfanxx Před 2 lety +6

    So informative, thanks ! It is so clear on your playing demonstration and the close up of the bow when referring to balance point and flexibility.

  • @99Raccoon1
    @99Raccoon1 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for posting this. Awesome! Best bow analysis I’ve seen on CZcams. I’ve watched many videos.

  • @jessewilliams102
    @jessewilliams102 Před rokem +5

    I’m a carpenter and I got some Ipe wood (Brazilian hardwood ) scraps and whittled them down to really nice bows. I like carving different shaped heads and I can make the balance point where I want and i found out you can make it too close to the grip and I have to push down more but it’s nice feeling like a good fencing sword. I’ve done about a dozen now and learned a lot about it and It’s also nice to make your own wand. I encourage everyone to just cut and scrape their own bow because it’s becoming rare to find a good Archetier. Get creative with it.🎉

    • @sbdreamin
      @sbdreamin Před rokem +1

      a real bow, the camber is not carved, it is heat bent.

  • @LindaWestCellos
    @LindaWestCellos Před rokem +2

    Before you start comparing bows, there is one little trick we have learned. First, you must determine if the bow is compatible with your cello. We do this at our shop with every bow shopper. We start with a box of bows in the customer's price range. We have them take the bow, and down-bow the C. Don't start too close to the frog; start your bow just past the winding. Stop the strings with your left hand, then down bow the G.
    On both the C and G, the bow should get the string moving immediately. If there is any hesitation, babble, burble, whisper, or hiss, the bow and cello are not even compatible. Put it aside, and try the next bow until you have a good selection of bows to do your final testing with. The wood of your cello has a frequency that it likes, as does the bow. The trick is finding the two that like each other and sing immediately.
    In our experience, some cellos like most bows, some cellos like about half the bows, some cellos like bows from certain shops or makers or materials, and some cellos don't like very many bows. So this exercise is imperative for you to eliminate bows that would only cause you trouble going forward. Imagine trying to play pianissimo on your C or G string with a bow that won't readily start the string? Or a fast passage with string crossings? If you have access to several bows, try this. remember, start just past the winding (the hair very close to the frog is tighter and gives less than further out) and just do a normal down bow with normal weight. Stop the strings with the left hand, then do the G. Listen. It should start 'BAA' without hesitation.

  • @mellissadalby1402
    @mellissadalby1402 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you

  • @MsCellobass
    @MsCellobass Před rokem +2

    Mmm i dont think the teacher would ever need to tell student that its time for new bow. I remember when i was first learning the cello after about a year into it, i was struggling with a cheap bow that my teacher/ luthier provided me. I then asked him if i could try his bow - i cannot tell you THE HUGE DIFFERENCE IT MADE. Not only in its playability but it brought out a better sound from my cello. I asked him if i could get it from him. And at that time it was an expensive bow telling me that it was the best one in his shop. He gave me a month to month payment plan and was. Excited! Then later i had to trade in this bow for another one because it was a bit too heavy.

  • @ninaw3688
    @ninaw3688 Před 2 lety +2

    Just this morning I said I needed a better bow! I'm an adult beginner and I'm not happy with the bow I have. Thank you for the excellent tips. I particularly like when you said to keep trying bows until I find the one I love; don't settle! 😊

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, Nina! Good luck on your bow search!

    • @ninaw3688
      @ninaw3688 Před 2 lety +1

      Carolyn, this week I saw your video in which you reviewed the Incredibow. I was fascinated, so I have ordered one. Could this be the one (for now)? I will keep you posted!

    • @MysticalDragon73
      @MysticalDragon73 Před 2 lety

      @@ninaw3688 how did you like it?

    • @ninaw3688
      @ninaw3688 Před 2 lety +1

      @@MysticalDragon73 I LOVE it! It took a while and several layers of rosin before I could get a sound, which was frustrating. However, now that the bow has sufficient rosin on, it works very well and doesn't need to be rosined as often as the traditional bow. I also find the Incredibow much lighter and easier to control than the traditional bow.

    • @MysticalDragon73
      @MysticalDragon73 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ninaw3688 Thank you so much. I just got a cello today as a rental. The first thing I noticed was that the composite bow they provided was very easy to make contact with the stick when the hair was on the strings. So im considering one of these as a reasonable upgrade while I'm learning to play. Now im trying to decide between medium weight or standard. Its nice to hear feedback from other users not on their site.

  • @irebustini
    @irebustini Před rokem

    This is fantastic! I paid about 2K on my cello bows, they are very different wood bows (Pernambuco wood) and one is heavier (on the frog) than the other. Hairs, rosins are also very critical and they can be a matter of preference for cellists. I never realized how critical a very good bow is until I returned my rental and got a professional-grade bow. It is incredible! I know bows can be as expensive as some cellos but it is possible to find good quality bows from 1-3K. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @ray6115
    @ray6115 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for the advice. Much appreciated.

  • @melaniecollier2549
    @melaniecollier2549 Před měsícem

    Thank you!

  • @petertrubody8463
    @petertrubody8463 Před 4 měsíci

    In Australia Simply for Strings Brisbane

  • @davidbee8178
    @davidbee8178 Před 2 lety +2

    In a string shop window in Philadelphia there is this cute sign . . . "The Wand Chooses the Wizard, Mr. Potter" LOVE your excellent videos, Carolyn . . . (BTW, I tried an Arcus bow just recently - an M7 = 72 grams ! ) YIKES . . . sounded really sweet but kinda light AND expensive :- ) You have a great looking/sounding bow!

  • @kevinbrooks4898
    @kevinbrooks4898 Před rokem

    Excellent video. New cello student. I am learning and you gave me a lot of information for thought to guide me. Wow!

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před rokem

      Good luck with the cello! Small steps and you'll get there. :)

  • @shaykavanagh3734
    @shaykavanagh3734 Před rokem

    Hello from Ireland, many thanks for sharing your experience with bow selection. It is invaluable for us amateurs 😊😊

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před rokem +1

      Hi Shay! You are welcome - and "Hello" from Austin!

  • @AilbheMcDonagh
    @AilbheMcDonagh Před 2 lety

    Super video Carolyn!

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you, Ailbhe! That means a lot coming from you. :)

  • @MusicaAngela
    @MusicaAngela Před rokem

    Great advice!

  • @franciscoarcegurza6474
    @franciscoarcegurza6474 Před rokem +2

    Thank you for your advice. I wonder what kind of cello do you have. Is it full size or 7/8? Is it old or new? Could you share the name of the luthie? Thank you in advance for your answers.

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před rokem +3

      Hi Francisco - I play on a 7/8 cello. Good eye! It is very old. The back and the sides are from the mid 1600's and the front is from the 1800's. It's seen a thing or two. :)

  • @ARCUSMuesing
    @ARCUSMuesing Před rokem

    Hello Carolyn, excellent video, very valuable information for cellists looking for a new bow. One little thing though, the 9" for the balance is a bit on the short side in our experience, don't you think? I think believe I have spotted in the video that your bow is more like 9.5" by the way, which I consider the ideal number for cello bows. :)

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před rokem

      Thank you for this correction. ☺ I've long wanted to try an Arcus bow. I've been to your site many times.

  • @michelleduclos2633
    @michelleduclos2633 Před 2 lety +1

    If you have a beginner string instrument and bow, would you recommend updating the instrument or bow first? Which would affect your sound more? Or is it best to do them together since they work specially together?

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před 2 lety +4

      Hi Michelle - Thanks for watching. That's actually a great question! Upgrading your instrument will definitely have a bigger impact on your sound than the bow will when updating from a student model.. Since it really takes some time to find the right instrument and the right bow, I recommend you do them at separate times. Purchase the instrument, get to know it, find out the good and bad of it and then find a bow to match it.

  • @michaelblaney4461
    @michaelblaney4461 Před rokem

    Is it better to get a carbon fibre bow if you are a beginner?

  • @donnap5906
    @donnap5906 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the bow choosing tutorial. I couldn't quite make out your bow maker's name in the video and I don't see it listed as you'd mentioned. Could you please tell us?

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před 2 lety

      Hi Donna! Sorry about that - It is now in the notes above (and for quick reference, the bow maker is Eric Paulu. He lives in CO).

  • @cartersessal4551
    @cartersessal4551 Před rokem

    1:12 Which techniques were they? And why was it nearly impossible? Was it because of an imbalanced weight ratio from frog to tip? Or what exactly made some specific techniques on your previous bow so hard to play?

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před rokem +1

      Sautille, most specifically. It didn't bounce right and it didn't make a crisp initiation of the sound. :)

    • @cartersessal4551
      @cartersessal4551 Před rokem +1

      @@cellodiscovery thanks for the answer!

  • @kathijohnson2462
    @kathijohnson2462 Před 2 lety

    I am an adult beginner. As a beginner, would a better bow make a difference in the tone or is it just a matter of my technique ( or lack there of)?

    • @cellodiscovery
      @cellodiscovery  Před 2 lety

      Hi Kathi- It depends on how beginner you are. If you are JUST starting then the quality of the cello is going to have a bigger impact on your tone than the bow. Later on when you learn more nuance, a higher quality bow will certainly make a difference in your sound and what you can do in terms of technique.

  • @Raven.flight
    @Raven.flight Před rokem

    0:36 hell, I can't even tell the difference between a $5,000 cello, a $180,000 cello and a $1,000,000 cello. Got bugger all chance of telling the difference between bows...
    czcams.com/video/6TXdkcE09lk/video.html