The ‘Dance Cult’ and Pastor Accused of Tearing Families Apart | Documentary
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This is the story of an alleged 'cult' accused of 'brainwashing' it's dancers and allegedly tearing apart a sister dance-duo and more.
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0:00 Intro
00:42 Creator Life
11:04 Transformation
22:35 Church or Cult?
46:08 Pet Palate Cleanser
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Josie Naikoi (NOT THE GOOD GIRL)
Taylor Hughes
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Josie Naikoi (NOT THE GOOD GIRL)
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It’s always about the money… 💰 it Always includes Manipulation… and disassociation from friends or family who are not part of the movement. So many Commercial Cults use the same tactics. Set up a tax free church and then do whatever you want to make as much money as you can.
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I watch them all the time & I thought it weird th😅at these people only appeared on Robert's son's vid & that they only interacted with their group. They never have individual youtube channels or do self promotion activities. U only see them with eachothers on 1 channel controlled by some1 who's nothing to do with dancing. U never see any of these people with other friends or families. Only their dance group friends. I also found out they all live together! Even the married like Miranda live with church room mates. But u never actually hear them praying or sharing the gospel. They just live to dance! 😮😮😮😮
@@AfrilishAliceRN I hear what you're saying, although in this video, Miranda was reciting Bible verses.
@@Crowns57854 Well said
I seriously feel like I live under a rock sometimes cuz I never heard of 7M or any of the famous TikTok dancers listed here.
im on tiktok and had never heard of these🙈 ur not alone
Same.
I don't mind being under a rock but really appreciate content creators like Not The Good Girl who do an amazing job covering and exposing cults
Same but I was born in 86, and these are straight kids, no wonder their being taken for "stupid" I raise my son to see the evil in ppl. Just bc this generation here were coddled so much. Not all are some get it like her sis but still. Money and fame is all they see, then boom it's too late.
Never heard of them either!
the fact that she missed her grandpa's funeral and didn't invite family to her wedding is bonkers
Right? That's not normal unless there was a long history of extreme abuse, which by all accounts there was not.
Some former members say they r fake marriages like arranged
@@nathena84th Commandment You shall honor your father and your mother.
Cus she’s selfish n wanted the fame n money, no one else seemed super brainwashed when they came out, she’s prolly a narc
It’s important to note that the situation doesn’t have to be an either-or situation. It doesn’t have to be “she’s in a cult” OR “she had issues with her family.” Cults target vulnerable people. If she were having issues with her family that she didn’t know how to address, a cult-leader would see that, and use that to manipulate her.
That's what I'm thinking as I'm watching this video. It seems like Miranda was having issues with her fam long before the cult got their hooks into her. It just made it easier for them manipulate her
Yeah it seems that way. There is an unhealthy lack of boundaries within her family that her father even clearly admits to, but refuses to see a problem with. This vulnerability has been exploited by some pretty shady individuals. And listening to Miranda speak, sorry I'm in no way convinced by her that she is now safe or better off. Her words are vacuous and evasive. Very sad situation.
Exactly, cults don’t go after people willy nilly, they know what to look for.
Boom, this. Her family seems like that one everyone thinks is great, but proably has a lot going on under the surface that people don’t see.
Also, it doesn’t even have to be any super serious thing. If she ‘feels’ trapped and the cult makes her ‘feel’ free, it’s enough to get roped in.
Yeah. I'm glad someone pointed this out. She definitely had issues with her family. For whatever reason the family can't see that. I think she opened up to the other cult members and felt like somebody was finally listening to her and understood her. Sad that the cult took advantage of that.
My cousin worked as a cleaner for a creator mansion in Los Angeles. He said the adult managers. All slept with the minors who lived there and even introduced them to drugs. He couldn’t believe what was going on in the home. And to think parents sent their kids there to become famous.
That seems to be what happens anytime parents send their kids anywhere to become famous
did he call the police?
Hope they REPORTED it!!🤮🤮🤮
drugs is the first thing that came to mind. get them him, record them doing shit, hold it as blackmail
do you think your cousin would be willing to make an appearance on camera or at least document in detail his experiences?
A few years back working at a law firm in Santa Monica I had a coworker sucked into a religious cult. Within a matter of weeks he stop talking to all of his friends. He stopped going to restaurants with us. He stopped everything and the next thing we knew he dropped out of law school, got married and moved out of the country to spread the word. a.k.a. trying to recruit people into this religious cult and it was so sad. I feel so bad for you and the pain your obviously experiencing. No real religion in this world should ever and I mean ever ask you to cut off all contact with your family and friends. Scientology, and all these other religious cults are just started by one power-hungry psycho just trying to make money and it’s so disgusting. There is nothing godly about these religious cults!!!
Just curious, do you know if the religious cult was World Mission Society of God (they believe in the father and “the mother”) I have a family member this happened to also
@@cristinsantos275 I’m sorry, I don’t recall the name of the cult. Right before he stopped talking to all of us he did tell me that they took him into a room and made him described all of his sins in detail. I mean he had to describe every time he masturbated in absolute detail and then they used all that embarrassing information against him. I could see the pain in his face as he told me this and how it literally broke his spirit. He became a shell of himself in just a week, but yet he joined them. I just couldn’t and still can’t wrap my head around why he would choose this path. He was so intelligent and would’ve made a brilliant attorney, but dropped out of law school at UCLA to become a cult member.
@@leannsfearcocktail9420 That sounds like scientology. They tend to make you tell them everything in your life, dark secrets to small sins. And then use to basically keep you under their thumb. The smartest people on paper can be manipulated and brainwashed. These groups prey on any vulnerability they can find. It's not that surprising. Even the smartest people can be taken advantage of. As long as they're human, they can be taken advantage of. Nobody is immune to being manipulated.
Sounds like scientology
@@leannsfearcocktail9420would the legal world still take him back?
As a sister, I can only imagine how heartbreaking it is to grow up and literally do everything together only her to get caught up in a cult and cut you out.
I feel it but clearly there was underline stuff she never open up to them about. It could be something beyond little that she blow into a mole hill.
The best you can do is accept their wishes and deeply write or say something that might touch her. You keep trying to go after them will just make them pull back more. All you can do is hope they wake up but she a grown woman and she can do whatever she wants to do. You just got to accept and let go. You can’t control your them as you be just like the others group controlling them and making do something they don’t want to do.
Sometimes spoke to she that touched her that clearly they didn’t know. Something deep inside until something happened that prove other wise or something ugly happens she is blinded.
Happen to my friend’s friend what the whole James Town but when he said to sell all your stuff and move to CA she wake the hell up as that second it didn’t fit right in her soul. You love from a distance you don’t keep being up the cult. If you do talk like you truly interested like you would like to join. Never talk down. Hear something crazy lovely say hmm that don’t seen that right and tell them how much you love them and accept they wishes. As the son that left the house in the Bible or the one that says give them up to the devil because really there not much you can do, again their grown and you have to respect their wishes.
The little time they was talking I can tell they with hard on her till she completely broke. If they respect her wishes they could have still have a little door open or when she come to her senses.
@Pulapaws You sound like a cultist. And you can't write in complete, grammatically-correct sentences, so I suspect you could be a member of the Shinn crime cult.
there could be more to it than just the big perfect shiny smiles they present on camera....the sister could have been a controlling bitch... we may never know
The girl is grown you fruit! Can you not see the manipulation of this fam?
@@user-ir9ew9hb6r lmao k
I’m a dancer, I love keeping up with the current trends and dancer influencers so I’ve heard about this cult before. I’ve never heard a deep dive though, it’s been tricky looking up anything about 7M. But long before learning about them, I’ve watched Itslavik, Miranda Derrick, B-Dash, Aubrey Fisher, etc, shorts on Facebook and CZcams and always found it interesting that it was very rarely their content. It always filmed by Isaiah Shinn who I guess is the son of the head of 7M., Robert Shinn. Noticing that Isaiah was always the one to post or be credited with filming these dance shorts lead me down a rabbit home. Also, all the dancers featured are sooooo talented and yet are now constantly doing the same choreography (that pretty much anyone can learn) to the same handful of oldie classics. They’re far too good to be putting out such simple content and now it makes a lot of sense as to why.
Thank you for saying this. I noticed all of these weird things about their accounts too before the story broke and it drove me crazy trying to figure out what was going on.
Totally agree I have a nephew who is a professional dancer in Los Vegas, our family is from the area these 2 young sisters grew up in, the dance community in Warren MI is small enough that everyone knows each other, there is no way absolutely no way as talented of a dancer as she grew up into that she would be ok with the same old same old boring dance moves she is preforming now without being controlled and manipulated in some cultish way with promises of fame that in reality are slim to none clicks and a few TV appearance’s 🤦♀️ Sadly she will age out quicker than she realizes and 7M will replace her and her husband and what will they have then? How many ex-dancer’s are still in the limelight daily?
I've seen K.O. Willis dance with them, I don't know if she's a member of 7M though.
@@Toywins she is, and according to some rumors I heard, she’s one of the most abused among the dancers. I can barely stand to watch her in videos anymore because she’s so talented and beautiful and it breaks my heart to think of the treatment she’s allegedly receiving.
I didn't know who they were when 7M was mentioned, but when she showed videos of several different dancers, I recognized 2 or 3 of them. But not sure if I want to watch anymore of them now. I remember the proposal one. And thought the same thing about the dancing/music thing you you had mentioned.
Any outfit that asks you to cut ties with your family...RUN!!!!! That is warning sign #1.
The biggest red flag for me is how quickly she married James/Bdash, paired with the fact that 7M is the second cult that Bdash has been a part of. His family had to get him out of a different cult only a few years before he became involved with 7M.
What was the first cult he ended up in? I haven't given much thought to how many cults actually exist, nor did I consider MLM's to be cults but now that I do... It's kind of concerning. Especially since most cults exist to generate money for the top person in charge. I'm glad that in terms of cults I don't often hear about ones that exist solely to form harems for the leaders (I believe that was what kind of cult the Smallville actress was in, with a bit of money making on the side). Either way America should probably start drafting some laws to protect people from cults.
Once you’ve been in a cult and get out, your brain is primed to join another cult. Statistically you are more likely to join a cult if you’ve already been in one in the past.
Koncrete was also previously in a cult. It’s so upsetting to see because it seems some people are pre-disposed to being heavily influenced and manipulated.
People who've been previously targeted are in danger of it happening again. They were conditioned (groomed) in the past and usually don't see it coming again.
@@ceilconstante640it can also be a response to the trauma - almost as an attempted reclamation. They believe they have found the group they initially thought they found, and think that now they can show themselves and others what they were seeking when they fell victim to the first cult. That and, like you said, they are conditioned to thinking they must rely on others, some greater theological leader. And people who are predators can spot those who are victims. Some people are just more easibly manipulated and cults prey on those people so it’s not surprising that if someone fell for it once, they would be targeted again
Members are discouraged from contacting their family members. Meanwhile the whole sh*t show is run by a family!
Exactly! I said the same exact thing
I understand why the cult leaders don't want them to contact their family, but the members to give up family ties in favor of the cult, that's another level.
My sentiments exactly
@beatsventura8813 he even tells them how to distance yourself from your family so they "see you" but you aren't part of them
Ik its so thick that some ppl can’t see through the truth, n sad
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to forget that Satan is WELL VERSED IN THE BIBLE. Just because a group of people claim to be religious, doesn’t mean that they are one with God. Imagine that.
David, people don't give Satan near enough credit or just laugh him off.
@@thepitpatrol It is the opposite. They care a lot yet in the process trying to oppose him they fall for him and cannot recognise it. It sad and twisted.
@@kidaria1333 100% true
It's like Top Gun Maverick. Holding up the fighter jet manual: "You know this inside out....well so does your enemy!"
When your sibling(s) go from being your best friend when you're young to someone you neither recognize/like when you get older is one of the worst most helpless feeling one can experience.
So true! Happened to me. Not a cult, but my brothers ex-wife. Cut us out, and he changed completely. Now he's divorced, I think he wants to get back to what we were, but I just can't do it.
@@margaridaferreira8029 Woah! That was so weird. You just described my same exact scenario to the tee. As much as you'd love for things to be like they were when you and your brother were at your best, you just can't do it because too much has happened/the trust is gone, right?
@@hitzoneproductions7858 exactly! I just can't trust him anymore as I felt so betrayed.
@@margaridaferreira8029 I've heard stories of abuse victims whose abusers deliberately tried to drive a wedge between them and their families to isolate them from control. Is it possible that's what happened to your brother?
Yeah, that's a cult. Ex cult member here. The change in Miranda's dance style speaks volumes to me. It's much more angular, smaller, more controlled moves, and less "hippy." A lot of religious groups like this approve dancing as long as it's "not too sexy," and there it is.
Her pictures and dance style with her sister were pretty sexy, but now she’s doing ballroom style stuff with a husband-talk about an image overhaul.
lmfaooooo there is way worse evidence. Change in age and dance style is the tip of the iceberg.
Miranda's look NOW is MUCH better than it was with her sister... her dancing is more professional, and technically A LOT better. Her style is more fashion-forward, less 'barely legal' than her previous image. The Wilking sisters came across very novelty; very 'hot college girls on tiktok'. The difference is night and day, professionally. Miranda wants to be a dancer, whereas melanie wants to be rich and famous. Miranda wants to be an adult, melanie wants to be a cheerleader. It has nothing at all to do with church/religion.
@@cjb2749hmmmmm and to achieve that she had to cut all contact with her family why??
@@cjb2749 You dont have to join a cult for that.
When I left the religious cult I was raised in at age 25 I fell comfortably into a commercial cult. It was what I knew. It felt safe until it didn’t. I left that cult at 27. And from there I never looked back. “Every day is a good day not to be in a cult.” Quote by A-Aron, channel, Growing Up in Scientology.
GREAT, no INCREDIBLE work here. Keep pumping it out. No one deserves to be controlled by others.
In my experience there is this 7M thing is absolutely a cult. Run.
Love A-Aron! So glad you are out now.
So happy to hear that you got out!!
If you can forgive my ignorance... What's a commercial cult? I googled it, but it's confusing - is it just another way to refer to MLM-type companies? Or is it about exploitative business practices in a more general sense?
Anyhow, congrats on being out of there! 💪🏼💪🏼
Hey, no need to reply, I just got the explanation from the video itself 😅😅
"Am I ok?"
"Yes, I have never felt safer."
That is one h*ll of a red flag.
When so many ex-members have come out and sued and said it was a cult, it's bonkers that they expect anyone to not think it's a cult. We're not talking ONE suit from ONE person who maybe just wanted money. SEVERAL people have said so. We need to have laws about cults.
I think these people are so used to lying and manipulating narratives that it truly doesn't occur to them that it won't always work.
"Never felt safer" What a slap in the face to her mom... so sad 😢
It’s also such a weird thing to say spontaneously
@@baleek4367 exactly. It just made me think that on some level, she thinks that she's in an unsafe environment.
She really takes her loving family for granted. Many of us would have loved to be as loved as she clearly is, and have the wonderfully close family network. It's disgusting to me that not only has she rejected those people who love her, but also hurt them deeply by not even attending her grandads funeral. She can't even bring herself to show some politeness and respect.
@@It-is-me...Melsieokay, don’t forget to be compassionate and understanding. if she is involved in a cult, then of course she won’t act the way she used to and will behave very bizarrely. she’s been indoctrinated, and it seems that she’s been mentally abused. we don’t know what’s going on and what’s being done to her, only she and her cult know. i’m guessing you’ve never been in a cult or in a severely controlling relationship, so don’t just assume she’s being a piece of shit for no reason.
It felt like something she was told to say.
No such thing as a "One Stop Shop." If it's too good to be true, it is. Keep boundaries between work, spiritual, family, friends and have them all enrich ur life separately!
Some people think they are too sad. Some people don't like going to funerals.
@@SilG.123 NOBODY likes going to funerals. We go to funerals as a show of our respect for the deceased, and as a support for their other loved ones.
To not go to her grandads funeral must have been so hurtful to her family and actually in a good indication that she is an incredibly shallow, callous, and selfish person. She's just not a good person at all.
Overlap between those things is FINE, (and fairly common) if it's not a coerced thing. THAT'S the crucial difference: the coercion and control.
@@SilG.123she didn’t just not go to the funeral though. She stopped talking to entire family and even blocked her grandma. None of that is bc she was “too sad” or bc she doesn’t like funerals
I have been fascinated/repulsed by these dancers for a while. They have all the right moves but none of the soul that elevates dance to an art form. They seem like dancing robots. Your video helped me understand why.
Oh really? OK
I agree it they look very hollow
Nah, I suspect your opinion has been prejudiced by their previous notoriety.
The soul is there, and they're dancing has indeed confirmed an elevated art form.
Totally agree. I could not put my finger on what seemed so strange about these dancers. You nailed it.
Man girl, Ive been following your content off and on for awhile now and I just want to commend you on the incredible quality of your docu-series!!!!
Important topics - well executed. Well done. ✨
Thank you so much for the support! 😊
Honestly, I think she's a victim. Yes people grow and things change, but if it's to thw point that you have a secret wedding, blow off your grandads funeral and cut contact with your family, I think something else may be afoot. Either it's family issues or the more likely case, she is a victim of 7Ms manipulation.
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If an organisation/group/church demands I cut off people important to me from my life, that's a cult. RUN!
Oh, and if it's a guy insisting on it, definitely an abuser-lots of narcissism.
Definitely a cult. Anytime a pastor is driving a Bentley…..run…
Also saying he’s the voice of God 🙄
Yes - or both
Aren’t all ppl tricked into cults victims ?
You are such an underrated youtuber. your research and delivery are very professional and empathetic to any victims you cover. Thanks for all of your hard work.
She's really the best..
Absolutely agree
This, I love how professional this channel is with the information 🤎
Very biased and opinionated
Honestly, Netflix needs you gal....
As a young person who’s parents both passed away 4-5 yea ago it makes me so sad to see a person block out her family for ANYTHING let alone a partner or religion especially when they have loving wonderful parents!! I’m sending positive vibes and lots of love to this family suffering!! Life is short and so unpredictable I hope they can reconcile sooner than later!!❤
Ty
Wow. I just watched Jim Jones Cult Documentary and you would think people could recognize these tactics. However, these leaders, I mean parasites, are very cunning & good at what they do. ALWAYS keep your family in the loop because if something happens, they are the ones who love you unconditionally. Never cut your family off. NEVER!!
Maybe this younger generation isn't taught about cults, I know I learned about the Jones family and cult behavior fairly young.
Might be thinking of the wtong one but didnt a lot of the people in the Jim Jones cult actually hate it there and knew it was a cult, wanted to leave but they were living in fear? The people who were shot before the poisoning were attempting to leave, with US govt help, but the leader's hired guards shot them
I've seen 7M mentioned in multiple cult psychology books and we touched on it a bit in my psychology of cults class this semester. Thank you for covering this. It's a lesser known cult, but still dangerous.
THERES another cult called the FAMILY THEY ARE CHRISTIAN CONSERITAVES
Sounds like you’re being indoctrinated into believing Christians are evil.
I imagine that was a very interesting class
Oh man I'd love to take that class!
Weird question but was there a textbook for that class? I'd love to get my hands on a copy if so.
Family disconnection is a common trait in cults. Steven Hassan developed the BITE Model to describe cults’ specific methods to recruit and maintain control over people. “BITE” stands for Behavior, Information, Thought, and Emotional control. The BITE model should be used within the Influence Continuum Model to help determine authoritarian control. Not every group or relationship uses every one of these. Some are universal such as deception (Information control), indoctrinating people to distrust critics and former members, or installing phobias to make people afraid of questioning or leaving.
My sisters church pastor practices this. In their wedding ceremony message he focused on leaving the family and that we aren’t her family anymore and she should only listen to her husband.
@@tburrrg2502 Oh good grief... what a horrid man!
@@tburrrg2502I feel icky "liking" this comment. I'll pretend it's called an "acknowledgement". That makes me feel a little bit better; like, "I acknowledge this comment as valuable, thoughtful, insightful, and/or useful".
This is why I say all religions are cults. The most caught up will reply to me with anger.
@@_nellysunshine I can see why people could come to this conclusion, but REAL religions do not try to control your life. REAL religions and churches are there for you, and you get involved or you don't, you go or you don't, and nothing is said to you. I am a very religious person, but the church or priests/ministers have never interfered in my life. REAL religion allows the individual to be the individual they want to be. Why? Because your religious belief is your choice, religion is a "personal" relationship with God. No one else can control that relationship, but there are many Psychos that will take advantage of people that are easily manipulated. Many of the Psychos do use the Bible, but they don't use it in its entirety. Like any other book, you can pick and choose certain parts of paragraphs, from different chapters, etc., and make it say what you WANT it to say. I pray for anyone who gets caught up in these cults, or the money grabbing evangelists. My heart aches for people like you, who have been turned off by these, what I call, Satanic minions. God Bless.
I suspect she felt suffocated, but she fell into a cult in her efforts to break away and breathe.
I totally agree.Her family is overbearing and she's the one who is kind of awkward.It's her sister that never stops talking so nobody would even know How she felt with her family. She was totally suffocated by her sister's personality.
I think she really wanted her space from them
I think the insta live was concerning. But the family Christmas video was also top tier cringe, right? What happened to enjoying family time without needing to film everything? I feel like she was raised in a very attention needing, high control family and in wanting to leave that behind… ended up falling into an objectively worse high control religious cult. Sad situation all around.
Her live stream saying she’s ok was not convincing. She kept looking away and her voice sounded fake. Like she was trying to sound happier than she was.
You aint wrong. Considering she is supposedly a performer its just fake from start to finish.
I've felt "Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch" vibes.
Yeah - it was pretty uncomfortable laughed - it seemed very forced, to me
I hate that feeling I get when I see right through people's lies, when they're really trying to be convincing, I pray that her family never stops fighting.
The fake laugh too
I am so glad you’re covering this but be careful because 7M is out here suing anyone that speaks on them.
Great point. In case of cease and desist all creators have to remain calm. Rich companies try to bully investigators to delete their videos, treating law suits. However, such cases never go further since the great h3h3 victory.
@@FITNESSOVER45 your comment is not related to the discussion. Secondly, "to speak on - to give a lecture or discourse about some topic". She talked about this corporation as a subject of this video essay, not a group of people.
@@FITNESSOVER45bro there’s a girl stuck in a cult and you’re worried about grammar? You understood what they meant!
@@FITNESSOVER45you clearly edited your comment, which means you probably made an error yourself. Who even asked you to spellcheck youtube comments? Calling people zoomers? I know you must be the generation before mine, genx. Cause we aren't that petty.
@@FITNESSOVER45 - if **you're** going to communicate effectively ...
lol grammar police can't even grammar correctly 😂
There’s going to be a Netflix documentary about this in 5-10 years. With all of these now members crying about what this Robert guy did to them and put them through.
More like within the next month…
I escaped an abusive family (child marriage, wife beating known by all and hidden, forcing girls to stay home and no studies beyond high school level, etc). So when I was looking at the parents and sister opening up on social media, the way they talked, the way they understood each other, the way they cared so much for their daughter... it brought tears to my eyes. It really looks like a loving family. ❤ I'm still halfway through the video, I hope it's a happy ending! 🙏🤞
Omg…..DEFINITELY a cult!
And the way Miranda acted on her live video, answering questions, you could see her squirming and turning away from the camera. She looked VERY uncomfortable. Like she knew she wasn’t being honest.
She came across as fake for sure
Could be drugs.
Wayyy of yes
Soldiers for Christ, 7M...these Koreans are sneaky, flying under the radar when it comes to instituting unhinged cults.
Yeah she looked very uncomfortable, nothing about her seemed genuine in that live. Weird toxic positivity. That girl is NOT okay and was not speaking freely.
Any church that tells you that you shouldn't have anything to do with your family has nothing to do with God. It's worship of another human being, not God. I hope that cult leader is found guilty of everything he is doing by leaching off the backs of artists and is thrown in prison. He's the type of person you need to stay away from. Great doc as usual ! Thanks for posting!
Agreed
They usually say something like "If you have friendships or family that doesn't believe the same as us, they will bring you down to their low level because they are not on the high level we are." Mormons are like this and the result is they have nothing to do with family members who will not convert.
They usually say something like "If you have friendships or family that doesn't believe the same as us, they will bring you down to their low level because they are not on the high level we are." Mormons are like this and the result is they have nothing to do with family members who will not convert.
Yes, but these young adults are so entranced with the leader, and probably gave up so much already, and most importantly..they are already indoctrinated at this point, where they are taught that " their family will never understand" and only try to hinder them from fulfilling their potential. It's like it's too late by the time their families see a problem, they are already in deep.
Ngl, i think theres one thing they are getting wrong. She wasnt forced into cutting contact, she was manipulated into it. They took whet her family was like and began telling her all the problems with it. They planted a seed of doubt and grew it, until she believed what they said wholeheartedly, because thats what her inner voice was saying. Cults dont say "dont talk to the people who love you", they say "you can go talk to them, but if you do, we will no longer talk to you and those that 'love you' don't care for you like we do." Its not about forcing her to do things, it about giving people the choice of freedom, but atop a tower without walls. You dont need to stay, but if you jump, you cant come back and there may be nothing to cushion your fall.
yeah they usually also use the already existing issues in your family and make them seem way worse and twist all their behavior to fit that narrative. There probably were some problems in the family to begin with (as most families have some) and the cult used those to make her family the sole reason for them so that it's harder for her to see the situation objectively.
I figure she might've had some issues with how she and her sister were working-from what I've seen in other comments her sister as the older one tended to take the lead on things, and as a younger sister myself I have gotten frustrated with my older twin sister whenever she takes the lead. It can build up over time that frustration since it feels like they're babying you/don't trust you, but that can be resolved by talking about it. It's not inherently terrible, just roles siblings sometimes fall into without realizing it. Miranda might've just not brought it up, and if this was the case they could've used those frustrations and warped them into something worse-just like how her husband commented on how her family was too close.
@@MissLinguiniNoodlething is, though, no person is perfect or completely mentally healthy. No family is perfect of completely functional. The “very same people who are good sometimes are the very same people who are bad sometimes”. But things like understanding and forgiveness have been completely rejected by modern people. This opens young people to being exploited.
What did her poor grandma do to her to deserve being shunned? I do wish Miranda would be called on to explain that.
Thanks for another fine presentation to the NTGG team. I've never heard of this 7M racket or those dancers/influencers but it's interesting to learn what is happening outside my own bubble.
I’ve been WAITING for someone to do this! I am so happy it’s you! I’ve seen them on Hollywood Blvd and there’s just always something…off.
Thanks for sharing! That's very interesting.
Without a Crystal Ball broke this story a while ago but she was sued into silence and other CZcamsrs called her crazy and a liar
The most egregious crime here is that this man is not paying taxes
I'm curious why this guy clearly lost his medical license in Ontario.
None of us should be paying taxes tbh
Yes....oh what tangled webs we weave under the guise of a 501c3.
That's for his Church only. All of his other businesses have to.
@@BigMamou367 not necessarily.
Well no wonder she was so susceptible to a weird religious cult. Its weird how her parents were with those two. They were just as money hungry and controlling
Her laughs are so nervous! She's bottling up a lot inside!
I’ve known the girls for decades and I’ve always adore their family. Their parents have always been incredibly supportive of their girls and would make many sacrifices to help them follow their dreams. I don’t believe for a second that Melanie was controlling their career/image as sisters. In the many years I’ve known them, I always communicated with Miranda alone when sending out rehearsal schedules, performance opportunities for both girls, simply because Miranda was older. The entire thing is heartbreaking but I am happy to see them all communicating now (on social media). Mr. & Mrs. Wilking and Melanie are the kindest people, truly. They deserve nothing but peace and happiness.
She really seems to not value the fact that she has a family who clearly love her. Many of us would almost kill for that.
You never know what’s going on behind closed doors though.
You sound extremely unstable, please get help.@@It-is-me...Melsie
So, they are communicating with one another now. It is strange that she took on what a personality that is usually discernible with someone being played by what mind control tactics, it reads straight from the book. Alienating the subject and object matter from the outside world and propose to take on the image of the aforementioned leader of it all. Her parents never even met her husband, this guy she just met. That quick. She had abandoned her family and all her past friends. Her family seems a real loving family and what.
None of that is normal in any day type of situation. It still is not normal at all to me. It sounds like a con job on with someone's life, because Shinn knows they want the fame and what and so she is OK with selling herself out. Her dancing is repetitive and boring in these videos, really. Though she looks very lovely. I could not do it for two what seconds their type of boring movement. It really is boring after you watch one video there.
It seems clear to me this family was a close family and something has definitely happened within this cult to cause her to turn from them.
Who blocks their grammy on social media??? That alone is just alarming to me 😳
I believe her husband is a single dad when he met Miranda but, when I look it up…it says Miranda and Derrick have a son together.
Idk, I really do think 7M is a cult (allegedly). They are isolating these very young kids from their support systems, non 7M ppl, etc…it’s creepy, scary and very dangerous.
Yes not just the social isolation, but combined w FINANCIAL and SPIRITUAL control and it's def a CULT.
Right I'm a Grandma, and no way would my grandbabies ever block me.
Maybe grammy had bad vibes.
@b2kzangelalwayz maybe the simplest cause is the most likely. She never had a problem w granny until she let a total stranger have control over her entire life. Not likely the problem is granny
@@b2kzangelalwayzPretty sure 20ys of a loving and super close relationship to Grammy doesn't suddenly change overnight for bad vibes. Smh
First video of yours I watched… really well done! Clear, concise, and easy to follow.
So MANY evil people have used God as a means on control and to push their own agenda. Woe to these; they will be held accountable in the end. Love to everyone who has been affected by cults.
her live just feels... so off. the forced laugh, the reassurance that she's fine and "never been better"... she absolutely has been roped in too far and feels like she can't speak up or leave. it felt so forced. so scary. i feel bad for her family and friends, and her as well. 😞 my roommate from my first year of college also joined a Christian cult that she's still in today, and she recently got engaged to another guy in the cult that she's known for six months, and she's cut off friendships with anyone who hasn’t joined it as well. it's sad how these cults manipulate and take advantage of people, even younger people 😞
As a Christian, I must say, the first few minutes of this documentary sets my alarm bells off. None of this is biblical. None of it is Gospel doctrine. Be weary of those that insert their own agendas and translations into religion. Not just with Christianity but all faiths.
Sounds like the New Apostolic Reformation heresy.
It's easy to be a fake Christian tbh.
@@joandarc441 Indeed it is. We see it all around us.
As a Christian you shouldn’t be judging what you don’t know anything of as proof.
@@stonevisionmedia Meh it's normal lol just like America being a wanna be Christian country it's easy to fake it.
When you grow up in a family that is basically a cult the member whom desires to get away will often join the military or a religious cult. By doing so they feel protection from the control the family has had over them. Just because Miranda's family is exposing 7M, doesn't mean Miranda didn't calculate her move away from the family into an organization that she could feel "at home" in.
Miranda was born February of 1997. She's currently 26 years old.
This is a good point
I'm not buying what Miranda's family is trying to sell. They kinda give a cultish vibe too.
@@kgurl exactly.
Yep, both environments could be unsafe.
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Dear god, that Insta live of hers was heartbreaking. She is so obviously uncomfortable, stilted, and can't even maintain eye contact with the camera or interact with the comments. There is no fluidity, spontaneity or naturalness to her behavior. Also, you gotta love how that husband of hers took full credit for creating their dances.
I noticed that he took full credit, too. She said they work on them equally and he's like "Oh yeah I come up with most of it." Maybe just stuck his foot in his mouth, but it was definitely off-putting
@@Solonneysahe possibly did knowing her first style and they clearly said in this video her style changed so where she got it from?
her husband is ok he’s a cult victim too they probably tell him how to act and what to say also
I dont like her husband. I do like vik tho :)
Its crazy to me that so few people educate themselves about cults, not just because they exist but because there seems to be more than ever now, in all walks of life.
Right? The conservative Christianity I grew up with wasn't a fan of dancing and rap was much too worldly. It's crazy how much people like Miranda look like 'normal' people but then you hear them speak and it's, like, oh, they're the crazy extreme fundies. Ah.
Especially that clip of her reading the Bible and it's a passage about shunning evil-doers when you know she's actively shunning her family. Just insane the amount of brainwashing that must have happened...
I see that too. I wonder if it's because people are leaving innocuous mainstream religions and feel a need to belong to something and join cults. Cults aren't always religious either
The psycholoy tatctis are always used by people who wants power. You found it in many different places in society in different intensity. Many big companies, social groups of any kind like in some LBTQ hroups , eco protesters or femmen are modern low key examples wit similar dynamics beside religion. And the big chruches only stopped because they ad been disempowered. Christians really caring about the words of Jesus and is message shouldn't support these institutions.
I used to dance and went to a performing arts school similar to the ones they attended. i'm the same age as miranda as well. this is so so sad. all cults are awful but there's something even more sinister about weaponizing an art form that's generally meant to express freedom to control them. even worse bc dance is already an underrated art form with little to no job security, it has a shelf life, and health insurance is almost unheard of. tiktok has legitimized it a little more but of course the downside is that "companies" like these can blow up for all the wrong reasons.
I love how NTGG shows like full interviews, full tv segments, about things her episode is about. No other CZcams show does that but it’s fantastic.
As someone who follows Christian extremism very closely, the 7 Mountains Mandate IS an expression of Christian Dominionism. It is an effort to establish a theocracy led by scores of charismatic and Pentacostal leaders, prophets, and apostles, most of whom enthusiastically backed and defended Trump's campaign, presidency, and "faith".
These people have very bad ideas/judgement masked by very sneaky strategies. Many Seven Mountains-influenced creators/influencers/leaders are very good at masking their true goals until they get into a position where they can enact them.
This movement is insidious and dangerous, and if you want to know more about their strategy, I strongly recommend listening to the podcast miniseries Charismatic Revival Fury, which is one of the best podcast series I have ever listened to.
I’m definitely checking out that podcast.
One of the wildest 7 mountains move was former Australian prime minister Scott Morrison
@@LouisaWatt And Qanon, Hillson, helped a high court judge that is a pedo-bear, covered up B.Higgins rape etc etc etc, and well crap you could write 100k word essay on that Scummo Morriscum lowlife while not pointing out most of his crimes to humanity. The worst PM in Australia's history ever..so far.
I agree! The 7 Mountain Mandate dangerous -they will do anything to establish a theocracy! And it’s not limited to this one church in LA, it’s all over and it’s not new.
Thanks for the suggestion
Also Holly Pivec has spoken out about this aka NAR, Bethel Church is a big name church involved in this awful movement
This is leaning more and more into cult territory. I m more inclined to side with the parents as not only did they allow their kids to go pursue their dreams in LA, they also allowed one of them to do their last year of high school online while staying with their sister in LA, that doesnt sound controlling. All those quick changes that occurred, especially the marriage and cutting off family members falls in that pattern of behaviour when a church sounds like its a cult.
Another great dokumantary from you. Thank you. You are doing a great job❤
Greetings from Germany.
Families who never fight is a red flag as well
How so?
I can’t stand when someone comes to stay with your family or even just observing & say that a family is weird just bc they’re all so close to each other. I love how close my family is and I feel so blessed and lucky bc a lot of people don’t have that. Family is everything to me so I totally understand this family!!
I so agree with you, family is everything! I never had a close family and have always envied those who have.
It's a weird thing to criticise because really what is wrong with being close to people.
I think it's nice when you meet people and they're close to their family, but I hate it when people use it as a requirement say for a mate as that seems unfair on us who wished it but had no choice.
Ic can’t stand that shit either , I was young had no parental guidance and would make fun of kids who have to be home for dinner or kids who spend Friday night at home wit family. People are evil who put anyone before family especially when they so loving and trusting
@@aneeqa4527 omg that was literally me as a child ☠making fun of other kids that they have to be home for dinner because secretly I envied them that their family was able to do that meanwhile mine could not even sit together on christmas☠
Right? Those are usually people from very unhealthy families who have no idea what a family is supposed to look like. It’s heartbreaking, but it doesn’t make it right to try to tear someone away from a loving family.
sounds as if he went to divide and conquer. Can't have her going alone and being reminded of home. Take a member who will critique your support system
Ohhh as a dancer this has been a topic I was super curious about! 7M did start a lot of TikTok dance trends. Thank you for delving into this Josie ❤
Loved this video! Subscribed!!❤
This is why I can't be a part of anybody's church, it's all about the money..... ALWAYS!
yeah money and power. Plus many only accept one very specific way of believe and no other possible interpretation of te same text/words.
Man I didn’t know the dancers I was watching were in this cult. They use crazy things to hook people on social media. Hitler would have loved social media, and it’s a great thing for cults and authoritarian groups. Who would think dancing would be some kind of religious cult. I know growing up in the Deep South many Christian church’s won’t even allow kids or people to do modern dancing. Or dancing period. When you say I’m way more than ok, when your family is just checking on you, then that’s a red flag. She was very nervous when she was doing that video. It’s awful we let cults operate in this nation. They really need to come up with laws because social media is gonna keep helping grow them.
it's against our first amendment rights to have laws against cults, since cults are protected under religious freedom :/
@@mattgonzales774 well when they won’t you leave or do the things cults do, that gets in a criminal type situation. What I would like to see is laws addressing this, because we have hundreds, probably thousands of churches and synagogues and other religious places that don’t do that or stop you from having personal autonomy. Since a high demand religion or cult can have certain things they do, that infringe on your personal freeedoms, then we should have laws so when they go into that shady arena of trying to stop or blackmail someone with the personal information they have on them that a good lawyer and good law writer can make the legal language where it doesn’t tread on religious freedom.
Because so many of these cults do illegal or physical, sexual and emotional and spiritual damage to a person, they tell them not to take medication which causes death or immense physical harm, they have had people kill their family because they refuse to give them their prescribed psychiatric medicine like scientology and several other cults that don’t want you taking medicine or using new medical technology.
We hear all the time about some high demand church not give a baby medical help and then hold on to the dead body for days to try and raise it from the dead through their faith. Some cults will not give their loved one or child life saving blood transfusions. There is a lot we could change when it comes to harming people, stealing and robbing members or selling them things that are worthless and a grifting situation where they go broke and have huge credit card bills because the cult kept them in a room for 13 hours, and made them charge their cards to the max, and If they tried to leave they would get teamed up on and pressured and yelled at, until they broke them down. Many have committed suicide after the cult forces them to commit financial ruin.
There is also a huge issue with child abuse and child predators in high demand religions which is illegal and they will cover it up. If they are caught knowingly covering it up and not reporting it immediately we could have them charged and fined. And we should also make sure If we catch a religious organization doing illegal things and hiding abuse victims etc that they understand they may not be able to continue running that organization in the US. There are counties in Europe that don’t allow cults or high demand religions.
Repeal the first Amendment. @@mattgonzales774
The reason why is when you even break down society and the government itself it is a huge cult. It teaches you it believes in school, church if you go to one, etc, mass media, the trick that there two parties when they all work together as one. They will never get ready of it their wound have to get rid of themselves not going to happen. Besides their rumors that the government was in on James Town. He work with a lot of politicians just like a lot of church people do. Just to claim you tax exempt status you agreed as a church to have the government as your head which is written in the document. That why you see churches moving with the state. (The Bible says you pay your taxes and if I was a church leader I wouldn’t take any loan or allow government programs or have them come trying to visit because they looking for votes).
I'm only about 15 minutes in and something just feels... Off... Cults like these are way more common than most people think too.
I don't know... the family also seems very controlling and wanted her to come back for the money. The thing is coming from a controlling environment makes you more susceptible things like cults etc.
Excellent and informative video! Thank you so much!
Having come from a similar situation (though not dance- that’s new!) I can say these issues are so complex and difficult to help a person out of because the coercion is so subtle: it won’t be said - don’t visit your family or don’t contact outsiders but several warnings of, they may discourage your path or misunderstand you are subtly applied. In fact in a psychologicaly twisted way, one may be told “it’s your choice” so they fully feel in control but aren’t. The longer one stays the more damage!
Tbh, her behavior, her change in looks, including marriage (most likely friendships too) all reek of occultic coercion - in fact it’s almost obvious to someone that knows or has been there.
I wish her family the best.
I’ve never heard of any of these people or groups, (avoiding most social media apps these days) but this story is so sad. And scary.
Excellent deep dive 👏
The way she says “never felt safer! at 31:45 is so unsettling. It sounds very disingenuous. I truly hope her and James are able to make it out but it’s especially concerning that their careers are so thoroughly intertwined with 7M. Even if they experience a moment of clarity and want to leave, they may feel unable to.
I’ve heard of this family but didn’t know the depths of their story. You cannot make me believe she isn’t a cult victim. How sad…
Beyond ecstatic that you've dropped another video. You are my favorite crafting companion ❤
Aww, thank you for the support!🧵 ✂️🧶
Wow wow wow !!! Excellent work of real journalism on this one ! Something you cant find in any mainstream “news” outlet . Ya theres a lot of cults in LA, i know a woman in my mom group that narrowly escaped the church of scientology where she grew up, scary stuff !!! Shes fine now. But ya its so sad this Miranda girl , i feel so bad for her family and parents !! Hopefully she will escape, its very clear there was mind control involved and it is with anyone who becomes famous ! I had no idea it extended to social media dancers ! Great video ❤
The whole narcissistic TikTok celebrity culture in America is vile and fundamentally undermines social and familial decency. Absolutely dreadful and sickening to watch.
19:00 Jesus. This makes me want to cry. I was raised in a cult. My parents let us interact with extended family but only with them around. When I was 25 I left the cult. It’s so sad how cults break up families and create complete toxicity. There is no freaking god that would cause this sort of pain. I really feel for this family. Keep raising awareness. Please never stop. It’s a crying shame. 😢😢😢
It made me tear up, I was wondering if anyone else had such strong emotions about it. The family talking about the how the girls used to see their grandparents every day growing up touched something in my soul. Even if the family seems kind of enmeshed, there's still such a heartbreaking loss of innocence here.
"couples that dance together stay together" is so not true😒 speaking as a former professional dancer
Why does everyone have to “die to their family” but not Robert and his family!!!
Thank you for including MLMs as commercial cults. They absolutely are and I wish more people saw them that way
This it's so crazy I'm glad you're making videos and recording stuff like this! The world needs to know 🙏
As a person who consumes a lot of cult content, and who also knows some people who are willingly no contact with their families, this is a tough one to decipher.
However, the things that stick out to me as culty red flags are the quick marriage, and the lawsuits by former members.
I've been following this story from the very beginning and at first I did believe Miranda and James's story about her family but it became obvious very quickly that they were lying. Everything that 7M has done since then has only made them look more guilty too.
I have to say, her family cones off as ... shallow? I don't know what word to use, but they seem to be very family vlogger and odd. I dunno.
Losing your sister in real life because she's been making your life hell is very hard, but for your sister to leave you for no reason. I can't imagine that pain. These people who leave their families like this have no backbone are downright heartless.
This was brilliant done. Subscribed.
What a sad situation. Cults will do this. Hoping her eyes get opened and the family gets restored 🙏
If there are codependency in a family, makes it easy to get someone in a cult.
These are my neighbors and grew up dancing with them. This is the nicest family ever and it's so sad. It was also so shocking to me since they are super super close-knit.
Brainwashed isn't quite the same thing as captive. Unfortunately, if the brainwashing wears thin, there is often an abrupt transition from enthusiastic willing participant in good standing into suspected heretic, penitent and either perceived or actual captivity. Tldr, it goes bad fast. The best thing her family can do is stop antagonizing and just say, we love you, the door is always open, call anytime, day or night.
If you want to grow your brand, make sure you block your grandmother.
It's ironic that Britney Spears subscribed to their videos, not knowing the dancers were effectively forced to preform for profit, because she herself was forced into the very same. Both their stories go to show the entertainment industry is saturated with exploitation, and we can never know what goes on behind closed doors. Entertainers are so often abused in the name of money.
Since Britney Spears is controlled by a handler, I would be very concerned if she has any ties to Miranda. If someone like that is sharing your videos, you have to ask WHY.
She might have not known that part. A lot of us didn't until now. So who is to really say.
These cults haunt LA, preying on young people who flock there with stars in their eyes but end up confused and alone.
For real. Many cults in Hollywood.
been waiting for some sort of update with this
i've got a lot of mixed feelings about this one, a lot of her behaviour feels normal to me as someone trying to distance themself from their family in an attempt to become less enmeshed and figure out who i am outside of an unhealthy family dynamic. it's unfortunate, but in setting boundaries that haven't been respected i've had to do a lot of the things they're saying she did. idk, the way the family is all crying on camera together feels kind of forced to me personally. but i don't deny that 7M has a lot of weird happenings around it and i'm sorry that if in escaping an enmeshed family dynamic, she's ended up in the arms of a cult.
Well said..
I have no idea who or what 7M is but I know Miranda and Bdash from their dance school. Just 1s into this video I thought the family crying was the cult trying to defend themselves because the cries looked a little forced to me😬.
But I dunno them personally so I can't judge them over the internet.
Miranda's laughter in the live, saying that she's fine also didn't sound right.
Ouuu 7M is the name of the dance group (I didn't know that😂).
I really like Aubrey and Vik. This is sad all around.
Nothing is wrong with being a close knit family… I am from a close knit family and if isolated myself from my family they too would be concerned…. Her behaviour is NOT normal… if she was in a toxic family bond I get it… but to cut off her grandmother… that’s toooo strange
@@angelicdazzleI just meant we don't know how she experienced her family situation and whether some of the things she did she felt like she needed to for her own safety. I've blocked/unfriended many family members because my parents monitor me through them. In my personal situation my family believes things happened similar to this situation (cult and religion stuff aside). They believe I met someone and suddenly changed, they have a very different perception of our family dynamic. I just wanted to point out that sometimes those behaviours make sense to someone protecting themselves (especially as in this case she said she was tired of being controlled/managed by her sister) and the family might perceive them as dangerous or unusual behaviour when it's someone protecting their peace and mental health. Enmeshment is real and it destroys families. Also while some in the family might experience the dynamic positively, that might not be the truth for all. All I wanted to point out is that a lot of her behaviour felt similar to what I am doing to escape my dysfunctional family, and that the way a family presents themselves might not truly reflect the internal dynamics.
When her and her husband were in that little tv segment, they acted like co-workers, not newlyweds. Maybe she thinks she’s happy because she gets to dance and do what she loves…but it has certainly come at a price. And, anyone who blocks their Nana has some serious issues!!! Never heard of any of this before and I’m always astounded at how much nonsense goes on in the world without me knowing about it🤦🏼♀️🤣
I like live for your videos the editing always on point the people you choose are interesting and a lot of times for me unknown like just keep it up ❤
Was so happy to see you uploaded! Just what I needed for my Saturday night in!! 😬😬
Haven't heard about this one, I'm curious to know how a dancing cult popped up.
Probably TikTok!!
Haha just started watching and my guess was right lol
no they have been around for years in the dance community, way before TikTok. Social Media just helped them blow up and gave them more power to take advantage of creators.@@msbeecee1
@@msbeecee1 A combination of TikTok and church!! Boy even without knowing the full story that just strikes me as a toxic mix. Add dancing and money and you've got yourself a cult.
@@tearainey1 my thoughts exactly 💯
Great narration!
I’ve had this saved in my watch later for a while now, and I’ve been following Miranda for about a year. Had no idea!
So happy somone is bringing this to light, it's worrisome
Thank you for uploading!!!
I love learning about cults and this is one of them 👍 well done josie
I like this channel. Glad i found it. Good stories.