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Is Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Worth it?
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- I'm debuting a brand new writing and video style with this video talking about Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance! I hope you all give me some feedback on what you think of this shorter but more direct format!
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i really wish Atlus gave those of us who bought it initially a discount or some carrot to buy it again beyond additional story, not giving them another $60. love your honesty and reviews as always!
It’ll probably be a $30 Black Friday or holiday deal later this year so I’m definitely waiting. The save anywhere “ improvement “ should have been at least optional in the original release. I lost tons of progress after a very protracted battle and shelved the game not even halfway through. I’m looking forward to finishing it and the additional content, I’ll be starting from scratch on PS5 this time.
Thank you so much!
That would honestly be amazing. I wish more devs did things like that
I'll get Vengeance when it's on sale. I had no desire to spend full price on a reworked game I already own for Switch.
And I'm getting into SMT for the first time with SMTVV, so it isn't a perfect starting point for me ^^
@SparklySnuggly It might be the right starting point, especially with the leveling curve smoothened out!
Knowing that there are more DLC you STILL have to pay after getting this makes me want to wait either this SMTVV go on sale or a complete edition will show up.
I like Atlus games but man they ruthless on milking the IP with its re-releases version with a little add ons.
Atlus does FAR more to improve the game in this rerelease than any of their previous rereleases and yet THIS is the one you have an issue with? Lets be real and admit the rerelease model Atlus has been using is disgusting, but dont pretend it wasnt problematic until now. The average play time of vanilla Persona 5 is over 100 hours. Royal adds maybe 25 hours of new content with the large majority of the game being exactly the same. And Royal is arguably worse because the adjustments made absolutely kills the balancing making the game much easier than basically any ATLUS game released.
Edit: Also please don't take this as an attack or anything Alex. You make great videos and I have nothing but respect for you. ❤️👍
I don’t subscribe to the idea of “they added X things therefore it’s worth more,” especially if the changes don’t really bring a lot of added value to me. This is not so dissimilar to folks who point out that longer games = more value. Both cases are simply not true for everyone.
I want to remind you that I loved the original, so much so that I didn’t care about the new quality of life features and better frame rate in the new game. New features removed, that only leaves the new story for me to look forward to.
And when you take that - and only that - into account, plus the points I’ve outlined in the video, I think I’ve explained myself pretty well where I’m coming from.
@@BacklogBattle You make excellent points both here and in your video. Added length doesn't always equate to more value for the player, especially when their time is limited and the majority of that added length is just the same experience to the original version of the game.
I think my frustration with Vengeance catching flack for this is because all of your points could be applied even moreso to the Persona rereleases, and it seems especially unfair to give the larger, more popular series a pass but not the one that is both doing more to earn a full rerelease and also needs every ounce of positive exposure it can get. Persona can absolutely survive some general criticism, especially when it's more warranted. SMT on the other hand is teetering on irrelevancy.
Basically, I totally agree with your points, especially that the value of a rerelease is dependent on the needs of the individual. But directing the frustration of this practice towards Vengeance seems unfair when it's clearly an ATLUS problem.
I actually like the rereleases! All I wanted to do in this video was to try and answer the question as to why I was ok with it in the Persona games and not SMT! That said, I am quite happy that others are reporting that they’re loving the experience, and I’m honestly sad that I can’t see Vengeance the same way that they do! I actually almost didn’t make this video, to be honest!
@@BacklogBattleI think more time might be necessary for you to revisit and enjoy SMT V Vengeance. Even with minimal new features, Persona feels easier to come back to because the overall formula is much more chill. I can't bring myself to play Shadow of the Erdtree yet even though Elden Ring was a great game, simply because of where I'm at in my life right now. I simply don't have the patience or mental fortitude to take on a game that can put me on edge and test my resolve the way a Souls game can, especially since I'm already doing that to some degree with Vengeance. I'm sure with your busy schedule, you probably feel similarly.
So I never finished the original, but I did get very far into it (without spoiling it for others, about 75 hours in and at a boss rush is when I quit). One thing I really appreciate about Vengeance in particular is the reworked leveling. I don't feel the need to grind like I did in the vanilla game, and it's making the game and pacing seem so much better in my opinion. I think I was at hour 12-15 when I beat the first real boss in the base game, and it was close to hour 8-9 in Vengeance. The game is just a smoother journey now I feel like.
As someone who dropped the original just when I hit that first boss, already exhausted by so much dungeon crawling without much storyline to support it, this is encouraging information! I don't know if it will be enough for me, because part of my frustration is that I may have played one too much SMT and Persona games over the years to the point that I'm just kind of bored of the whole formula. I could go the rest of my life without ever fusing a demon again and be perfectly fine. But I'm also a fan and seeing the highly positive reception makes me want to give it another chance despite knowing full well I'll probably have a similar experience to last time.
@kythlyn don't get me wrong, the base game is still smt v, it is very gameplay focused, and you'll still get those RNG crits that just destroy your whole party occasionally. But leveling seems to go a lot faster, boss fights can be fought a little underleveled if you're ok with the harder challenge, there's a lot of extra chances to get stat points with the demon haunts. It's a much better and well paced experience in my book. If you do pick it up I hope you like it better this go around!
I was just too overwhelmed with JRPG backlog when original came out, guess too many games paid off since I can get on PC now when I am ready. That works!
If this is your first time playing it, more power to you!
@@BacklogBattle It is, looking forward to it!
Thanks for your honest answer!
If this had been DLC that allowed me to reuse my demons and stuff from the first playthrough (NG+ style), I would be into it. But yeah, I just don't have time to play through the whole game again from lv1. It's a shame, because I also really enjoyed the original, same as you.
Atlus, please take note! We love your games, but you have to start having more respect for our time!
If you have on the Switch still your save, the three demons in your party where add to the compendium. So while you will not have them from the start but with enough Macca you can at least summon three endgame demons from your previous playthrough.
@@konstantinkunz2256 huh, I didn't know that. Thanks!
And that IS nice, it'sbetter than nothing... but I wish it were more. I probably still won't play Vengeance, at least not for many years.
Now this is the type of review that I want or wish people to do with more of these re releases because it's short sweet and then we move on. You don't need to explain to me in 11 minutes why this is good when you have to be very very fair and this review was very fair and touched on the small improvements. You mentioned that there is some improvements however it still carries the same stigma as the original game from three years ago, although I'm going to give Persona 3 reload slack because at least that is a real remake, not a re-release of persona 3 like what we had with persona 3 portable or persona 4 golden or Persona 5 royal or I guess by the SMT license as well SMT nocturne remaster. But I do see where you're coming from with the idea of it is ridiculous that they keep re releasing a lot of these games again and again instead of just moving forward but if these make money which they obviously do especially reload and apparently vengeance sold a whole bunch of more copies then they're probably gonna keep doing this until we're dead lol. Me personally I already had 0 interest in buying vengeance because other than the hot demon girls that they add in which is always a thing they keep doing with these games especially the new female character as another selling point on top of Nahobino finally getting a better form and Jack Frost having a new form himself, none of the new smaller changes that they finally fixed after 3 years is gonna make me change my mind that the original game I played 3 years ago was so boring despite going into it for 74 hours. Plus if this version only takes about 40 hours to get to the supposed brand new changes aside from some smaller ones in the OG story then I'm definitely not gonna be spending $60 on playing this game again especially since I didn't even like Da'at as a world to explore. In the end I would say that only if you really really liked the original game 3 years ago then it's fine for you since it is now on stronger platforms but I would personally say that if you never played the original game because it was on the switch like what my friend did because he did the smart thing and never bought the original game then it's fine for you to buy it. Me however I'm waiting until we get metaphor because to me that is way more important than another re-release of another Atlus game. Great small short review there Alex!
I think it's also worth mentioning that a large majority of players for this version have never played the original if they don't own a Switch.
@@M00nlightOfficial Which is why I mentioned that this version should only be for people who either skipped out on the original game because they had a switch but didn't like how it ran or they didn't have a switch in the first place. I still say the game should have at least had a price drop when it got re-released and for people who still had the original game to at least get something if they did buy the original 3 years ago.
Thank you Alex, I got completely burnt out playing the first game and would have felt the same. Got enough to play anywas...
I’m so used to Atlus this will be my first time playing it learned my lesson from Royal
I think it was worth it for me to double dip since I didn't finish the original release on Switch. The performance issues on Switch really put a damper on my enjoyment of the game.
The Vengeance version on PC plays fantastic and much better on Steam Deck compared to Switch. Along with the QoL improvements, I look forward to seeing this game to the end.
Same here, it feels so much better on better hardware. It feels like how the game should have been to begin with and the gameplay is a lot smoother. I'm still mad it's a rerelease with no DLC option. I hope they do both in the future, they can still get their money without screwing over the early adopting fans.
I think the two camps for this one are clearly explained by this helpful video.
If you already did everything in SMTV on Switch, this is definitely going to be a hard sell unless you really want to experience everything SMTV.
I, on the other hand, only got halfway through SMTV on Switch before getting overwhelmed with other games. Experiencing it with smoother performance, new QoL improvements, and a more engaging story has made every dollar for the new purchase feel worth it. Daat is so much more of a joy to explore for me on PS5. This feels like the version of SMTV I always wanted, minus the irritation of slow menus I experienced on Switch. I do feel a bit of FOMO about never finishing the original Canon of Creation storyline, but I watched those endings on CZcams and that is helping me let it go and just enjoy the new storyline.
The best thing that happened for me is that I didn't beat the first one. With the new Frame rate and the fixes to this game, gave it new life for me. 22 hrs in and it's hard for me to put it down.
Outstanding video. The extra content and new demons are great, but not enough to justify a repurchase/replay
It seems they fixed every single one of my complains, specially "Save anywhere" since I utterly hated its old school Game Over and time wasting backtracking to prevent it, I liked the combat but losing hours of progress out of a simple mistake or crash made me quit the game in the last zone but I just can't support Atlus not offering an upgrade path for vanilla owners, this isn't the 90s to 2010s anymore, I may get it when it gets dirt cheap if I haven't forgotten about it and will make sure to never buy another vanilla release from Atlus and instead wait for the "reworked" edition.
Excellent summary ❤ risky only played about 15 hours in the original SMTV so I’m actually looking forward to exploring vengeance.
I’m just a little miffed that all of the original DLC from the first game was not included in vengeance 😈 as I previously purchased all the old DLC👻 sigh oh well, as a weird side not persona 5 royal was actually fairly boring for me🤔 and yes I did finish it
With the exception of the Mitama paid DLC the rest of the paid DLC (Artemis, Cleopatra, Mephisto, and Demi-fiend) for SMTV are included in SMTV:V.
In SMTV:V the Mitama are again paid DLC and there are two new paid DLC (Konohana Sakuya and Dagda).
Didn’t play the original version and man this game runs so smoothly. Not exactly my type of gameplay so far but its prety interesting and challenging
I own SMTV on switch but didnt really get into it very far maybe 10 hours. Im already 25 into canon of vengeance. Being able to save anywhere just removes so much tedium. Game is excellent and i love it at 144fps instead of 30
It is very much a case by case assessment.
For me, I absolutely loved the original and was just about to do a second play through, literally a few days before they announced Vengeance. That was enough of a justification to buy it.
But it is true, that it is difficult to classify as a must buy, unless you’re a new player or a major fan of the OG game.
tl;dr i love smt 5 and vengeance is worth it for me who wanted to play more new content. i said i'd buy an extended version if it came out and it did. loved every minute of it. probably buying the dlc as well.
I haven't played the original cause I didn't have Switch back then. Recently I bought it and decided to get SMTV but having bad previous experience with Atlus looked online, saw news about Vengeance and waited for it 😅 . So far I like it a lot, playing non stop so it is worth for me. But I can understand people who bought original game. I felt really bad when I bought Persona 5 for ps5 a couple of days before Royal released.
I never played the base game, reviews for the game were mixed and I had just gotten into P5 Royal on my steam deck.
Well, i was browsing the steam summer sale today and noticed that smt 5 Vengeance was on the my list of recommended games. Did some searching and found this video.
From I read on steam, people LOVE the re-release and are saying its the best re-release atlus has ever done. There is a lot of praise for this game.
So I would say, if you never played the base game, or are on the fence with SMT, I'd say pick this up. I plan on picking it up today.
My feeling is it's great for first-timers, but too soon for most of us to re-play the whole game. I don't think I'll be ready to re-play SMTV again until at least 2030. So I'll be waiting to get Vengeance on sale, since I already (happily) spent $60 on SMTV Vanilla.
I think there are people who have 100%'d the original who are ok with replaying through it again. But to me, exploring the same sections of Da'at - albeit with some minor changes - is too similar to my previous experience playing it.
@@BacklogBattle Yup, and too many other cool games to play (for me anyway) to go back and re-play a long game I played 2 years ago.
For people who are SMT fanatics, I'm sure they're MORE than ready haha...
I just wish Atlas would have given us a fun Platinum for it. The required 6 play-throughs is ridiculous to me.
Are you serious?! That's news to me! That's ridiculous!
Aditional playthrougs to complete the demon compendium aren´t that bad. Once you beat the game once and you pick reborn the game is easy the next playthroughs. No need to collect the Miman six times.
Worth it for me-and purchased for the *Switch* again (I only play portably anyway), 1st play through on *Canon of Creation* to boot, so basically re-playing the original with all the amazing changes. Haven't dipped into the Vengeance route yet, and am avoiding videos of it. So that means I am a fan of the original 100%-including the "bad" story-and still feel the $59.99 for my physical copy of Vengeance is not inly worth it, but also surpassed personal expectations.
(It may run and look better know on the Switch-not sure, but seems that way.)
We are all different. I disagree, or perhaps love SMT too much.
I bought the switch collectors edition back in 2021 and was hyped for a new non-Persona game for over 15 years. What they did with the original was fantastic.
What they did with this one, even better! It's not QoL of any of that crap that justifies the price to me. It's the effort of adding all this new content, a new difficulty and a reason to add even more replayability through new story modes. That and the added innate abilities, new fusions and the like is why I'm happy to spend more getting this game for a second time: the effort.
If I buy this game it incentivises Atlus to out this amount of effort into any re-releases, upgrades, money grubs etc because it's the most superior improvements they have made on a game ever.
There's an argument it should have been like this since the beginning, but it wasn't whether through good or vad intentions. As a gamer I'm just happy I can get more of the stuff I love playing without having to dish out hundreds on stupid live service games, or digital only etc.
Atlus still feel "old-school" to me, so I'll support them up until they stop feeling that way.
DDS remake when?
I'm mostly disappointed that I picked the game up day one, but put off playing it. Now I'm stuck making the decision to play the upgrade by paying more once again, or finally playing my own original copy with no upgrade path.
The PS4 to PS5 Persona 5 Royal was offensive enough, where you can't even use your old saves. I guess I just hope Atlus someday overcomes this choice.
That's the thing - I'm actually one of those weirdos who's ok with the Persona upgrades. And if you put the changes in SMT VV alongside the Persona re-releases, SMT VV actually has a ton more to offer.
@@BacklogBattle I feel like I want to support Atlus for making incredible games that I love. What it comes down to is just some of the nuance to it. Many of their upgrade paths feel like the PS2 era; There was no patching system, and a lot less data to work with, so it made more sense to do a rerelease.
These days, the upgrades feel like DLC. Hell, with the amount of work put in, I'd just about be willing to pay $40-60 for said DLC. The problem (for me) comes with a product I already bought now feeling permanently incomplete, or obsolete. I will likely never open my copy of SMT:V now, and that feels wasteful. It feels bad that I supported a day one release knowing I'd eventually move it from my backlog (hi!) to my Switch. That's no longer true. Instead, if I want to enjoy the new features, I have to buy the next version. If I HAD played my copy, I'd also be starting over from scratch.
[The PS4 to PS5 of Royal feels similar. I was excited to play New Game+ finally, with the new graphics as an excuse, but instead I'd have to play the game from scratch for a third time. Not the end of the world, but feels rough after already buying the game twice.]
I hope that all makes sense and doesn't come across as whining. I want to give Atlus my money for making great games. I don't want to feel like I wasted previous time or money that I don't have nearly as much as I'd like.
Finally; Thank you for taking time to respond! You're genuinely a creator I look forward to seeing when your videos pop up. In your own way, you've helped shape some of my collection, and I very much appreciate what you do. Take care.
all im gonna say is ive never played a jrpg and bought this as my first one lmao im loving it so far 70 hours in
I think so I never played the original on switch I think if you already played it then yeah wait for a sale .
Ik save anywhere is controversial because some people think it kills dread and difficulty but I like the inclusion
The save anywhere functionality is negated by the potential to get stuck in multiple fights, so that didn't really bother me much. I think people who argue against save anywhere have a point, but I think they're also blind to the idea that other aspects of the game have been added to make the game more difficult in some respects.
Generally I use it for saving right before a boss fight if there's no leyline fount. I'm not using it after every battle unless I happen to kill a Mitama. There's always the risk of dying to anything.
Or you can just not use it. You can save anywhere in SMT IV, and it doesn't take away the experience.
Being able to save anywhere is nothing but a plus in my opinion as sometimes you need to stop playing quickly, or you get worried about what can come next. It also makes the game much more approachable to those who aren't familiar with the game, potentially bringing in new fans. Anyone who has issues with it can easily just make their own self imposed rules on where they can and cant save if they like the dread and difficulty of set save points.
They could have implemented a quick save option that is gone once you reload to keep the difficulty but allowed people that are busy to put it down whenever, plenty of games had this in the past.
Does saving anywhere even influence the dificulty? If you lost you were most likely ill prepared or used a wrong strategy. It only prevents you from losing progress.
I watched smt5 for years and hate lv scaling (never buy or play). When smt5v released with qol and lv scaling was fixed. Insta bought 😂🎉
Never played smt only the persona series, should i play the smt V first before Vengeance? This new smt is sold out everywhere😢
I like the new 'short & direct' format. Sometimes I had the feeling that critical tones in some reviews are a bit lacking here, so feel free to add more of them!
So far, the format has been a bit of a miss with the community. It seems as though while many of the major points have been hit, people do need to be hit in the head with specific information for them to ingest it. Still, it's worth the experiment!
I'm going to wait for a sale, I enjoy V despite its flaws but right now my game money will be on other games.
I want this on my PS5 but will defiantly be waiting for the day Wario post it for 20 or under as I just don't have time jump into it now and I did of course play original on switch on release
I've gotten lucky with Atlus' re-releases I didn't have a PS4 when vanilla P5 came out soo I ended up playing Royal. I still don't own a switch soo I missed vanilla SMT V. However I do have a PS5 soo I'm probably gonna get Vengeance hahah. I just really really hope Atlus doesn't do this re-release stunt with what's suppose be their 3rd pillar Metaphor: Re-Fantazio. I am sooooo hyped for that game I pre ordered it already. But I'm with you Alex idk if gonna wana play a re-release of metaphor a couple years later just see some slight alterations in the story and tweaks to the combat. Anyway rant over love your videos my friend keep doing what you're doing. 🤘🏾🤘🏾
Thank you very much! Looking forward to Metaphor for sure!
Played and completed, enjoyed the new story but didnt think it was a massive improvement . Most of the human characters get more development. Ichiro Dazai still gets minimal development. And i could have used a bit more story when we get the new nahobino form.
I'm planning to get in on steam but should I play the creation or vengeance first? I'm new to the series but love persona games.
It all depends if you’re a completionist or not, tbh! There’s a superboss that’ll only be available in the Canon of Vengeance if you finished the Canon of Creation and get the true ending, for example! Otherwise, I’d go for the Canon of Vengeance, personally!
@@BacklogBattle Thanks; I've actually been stumped on this because it's going to be my first SMT game, but I like to complete everything. I'll play Canon of Creation first, then.
yeah see i never really played the original . i couldn't get into it because of the performance issues on switch. but yes that does sound like its going to be a pain to play both stories😅😅does this mean i should have started the new cannon instead?
All of the new features (save for the new zone) are available in the old Canon, but you're still subject to the same frequency in story beats in both at the beginning. That said, if that didn't bother you, I'd say try and go for the Canon of Creation, especially since you can only fight a specific super boss in Vengeance until you get Creation's true ending! If that's not something you care about, the Canon of Vengeance is perfectly fine!
It's worth it but I still like nocturne more
The base V got issue that i didn't buy and bought Vengeance which they improve in some ways
But for people who start this series or V it's quite easy to hit a wall when you don't Ultize the mechanics
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I’m not feeling this entry the trophy guide is utterly horrendous. Plus ps reload + Agis dlc and the upcoming Metaphor: ReFantazio (PS5 I don’t want to burn myself out on atlas turn based.
I heard about forcing people to play through the game six times to get the Platinum!
If you have the base game but want to check out the new content go watch a video on youtube dont buy vengeance im at the end and its just the same game lol a few things are different but not that it would justify a second playtrough
Yeah i skipped both of atlus's re-releases this year. Tired of them. Make new, GOOD games honestly.
I'm actually ok with replaying P3 via Persona 3 Reload. SMT V:V was too similar of an experience despite having a lot of small changes.
I already bought the OG 1, ill play Vengeance but i wont pay for it so its worth it for me. 🤷🏾♂
I spend not more then 50€ as I bought SMT V for ~30€ and got the DLCs for -50%. I did not got far at the start because the dessert whas so boring and ugly. Well given that Vengeance went with Steelbook I decided to bite the bullet and what whas my experience? The game is not so different and totally different. But the biggest difference is the different in contrast. The low contrast from V put me more off then it should because it turned everything so depressive. But the new contrast of Vengeance is like someone put the fog away and now I really have fun.
Anyway though the new DLCs I will not buy for full Price, I will now play Canon of Creation without DLC except Pre-Order one through and then I wait for my Vengeance Playthrough when the DLCs are down to -50%.
Nope. I allowed them to burn me like this twice before but not again. Atlus is my favorite rpg developer but I will never buy another of their games at full price unless it is an update of a game I do not have.
All honesty don't mean to be critical about shin megami tensei v but this game felt very short it didn't really capitalize on the the energy that persona 5 had.cause in persona 5 you had stuff to do. It wasn't just side quest you had fun of interacting with the characters but this game just felt like a rushed simple plot with a confusing back and fourth story with a few side quest
Are you talking about vengeance or SMT V base? Because if you are talking about the former you are so wrong.
The story is great, and exploring the da'at >> doing nothing because the story has horrendous pacing and forces you to wait
guess what champ. smt =/= persona. totally different game. shocker i know!
@kaylevy7107 well aware of that just because it's different doesn't nessecarly mean I actually enjoyed it everyone is entitled too their own opinions bro
Had you read review or watched yt vdo before buying the game ? These activities can easily prevent you from buying games you don’t enjoy.