So You Grinded to Top Tier... Here's How To Get BETTER | Top Tier Basics [War Thunder]
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Since everyone is grinding for the F14, there are going to be a lot of less experienced players causing chaos in top tier jets, I'm here to help those people out. Enjoy the video!
Song: Kazben - Deep Sleep
• Kazben - Deep Sleep
0:00 Intro/Overview
0:40 Positioning
2:10 Avoiding Missiles
4:08 Notching
4:40 Evasive Maneuvers Sgainst SARH Missiles
4:42 Avoiding Missiles in the First Place
5:50 Situational Awareness
7:10 You Must Use B R A I N
7:55 Conclusion - Hry
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Number 1: don't kill steal if the plane is on fire and in a spin it will hurt your ammo count and your team
i get a lot stolen from me so ima steal from them too🤷♂️
@@Josh63916 i have actually never ever stolen a kill... Everybody loves me.
@@Boris_The_Turtle i need more of you, once they stop stealing mine i will stop stealing theres, but most times if their kn fire i shoot em one time to not steal the kil but to get an assist
@@Josh63916 yeah and you ruin the game for everyone else that may work hard for that kill
Respect the grind
Warthunder basically makes you become an actual fighter pilot just to do well
And when you get to actual fighter pilot level you realize it doesn't matter because of teammates or your dogfighting the real maverick.
@@commoncents7330 or u meet an actual fighter pilot
thats DCS, this is just a test of your sanity. ESPECIALLY in low tier.
Yeah that's dcs. War thunder is just a test of patience and number of keybindings :D
DCS intensifies
5:00 This maneuver not only makes the missile turn, it makes it dive slightly into thicker air and it allows you to keep a radar lock if you fired a fox 1 at them.
what fox you monkey
isnt it literally a term to "drive the missile into the ground"?
@@wiaf8937 I mean... maybe? That's not what its necessarily relying on though.
But if it dives does it not gain speed?
I just started on top tier (with the german F-104G). Though it is indeed a different world, I feel a lot more comfortable playing it since the plane I have is actually a proper tool to fight my enemies (that being a fast plane, with RWR, decent missiles and countermeasures).
I absolutely hate tier VI for example because a lot of times you are probably flying a decent plane (Mig-19 for example) but against things that are much more advanced technologically than you, meaning you are horribly inneffective. And I mentioned the Mig-19. I didn't even go into the CL-13 or F-86K...
yeah the sabers are in a rough spot right now... some of my favorite jets but that BR range is hell.
@@_Joob Yeah. Lots of awesome planes, but the constant uptiers to fight things decades ahead is very disheartening...
I definitely agree, i had planned to stop at 9.7 but i realize those rank 6 supersonics are just not “that” plane. So i decided to use 10.3+ to learn supersonics and as an intro to top tier
You really gotta find ur sweet spot for rankings. Every nation has different sweet spots. For instance if I were u, I would run the German 10.0 Mig 21 and 9.7 mig 19 right now 9.7 to 9.3 is a nice place to fight
Bro my first high tier was the f 104 A in the US tech tree. It was a rude awakening, because it didn't have flares, it had only 2 early IR missiles and relatively low ammo Vulcan. I had to learn the hard way to dodge missiles without countermeasures and how to get enemies in a boom and zoom style fight. Now that I have the phantoms, it seems so much more easy.
5:00, that trick works wonders on AIM-9G's.
also my favourite trick in the F-4J is to launch AIM-7E2's at planes when they are only 3-4km away because the just panic and eat my missile, unless they are a J-7 or J-8, then the missile just gives up after launch.
Even with 500+ games in F-4 phantoms these videos are still good to come back and watch to see if there are any new tricks or tricks I have forgotten about.
i got the f4e and got aim7e df should i stay at low alt or somewhat high alt?
@@modelotime2456 Low alt, not only do the missiles work better in the thicker air, the planes with out PD radar will struggle to return a shot Also if something with PD RADAR locks you can hide behind terrain features instead of expending flairs
@@Thunderbox247 yea because even with these tips i just continue to struggle with top teir so im losing my sanity every game because ill have one good game then get dogged on for the next 10 or so matches idk what im doing wrong also should i bother grinding for the f14 im in rank 4 for the navy side?
@@Thunderbox247 also how should I be using those aim7es because 3-4km is a good rule of thumb just the f4e radar is trash
@@modelotime2456 yeah with most RADARS I just use ACM mode because its less likely to shit itself. Also the F-4E is kinda trash NGL, if it had PD RADAR it would be a god.
And you want to forward aspect the AIM-7's and keep your speed an high as possible so the target has less time to react.
I would also recommend pre chaffing for even PD radars, it will lock onto the chaff. Pre flaring also works for IR missiles. For SARH missile, when you get locked, just drop some chaff and then reduce altitude or notch if you see a missile.
If you want a plane that forces you to follow this advice and implement good habits. Play the F-104A
You are solely reliant on your team, so stick by your teammates and keep the alive if you dont want half the enemy team on your 6.
You must be situationally aware. A lot of the missiles you face cannot be dodged by your supersonic pencil so in order to survive you must constantly be freelooking to make sure noone is getting close enough to fire a missile at you, because unless its an aim-9b your only option is to just try and outrun the missile, which is only possible on the deck and even then several mach 2.5 missiles can easily catch you
Awareness is critical with jets, if ur not actively fighting or stalking someone and really even when u are make sure to free look around especially above u. A lot of people like me who have played the game along time perch up high or off to the sides of the fighting area and wait for people to become distracted fighting and then swoop in and take them out. Knowing ur enemy's capabilities are critical too for instance what kind of missiles can this guy can have on his plane, how may can he have, can I out run him or out turn this guy are all things u should b thinking about when sizing up ur opponent. U always want to have the advantage if u can, either speed or altitude having one or both of those are critical. SPEED is life! Lastly, don't make the mistake of dog fighting to much unless absolutely necessary. It will kill ur airspeed and make u vulnerable. Make high speed passes if able.
Short burst right at like .4km and they explode into flames
Tip: know your plane and your opponent’s plane as well. First, you have to know what it’s strengths and weaknesses are, same with the opponents.
For example, if you’re in a J35 while your opponent is behind you in an A-10, get the advantage by going into a vertical dogfight. You will have more speed and power to stall later, while the A-10 will fall sooner and cant get his guns on you. Then, break out of the stall and point your nose at his plane (which is going hella slow) and profit
I had pretty good luck with binding freelook and look behind you into the same button in terms of situational awareness. It simply points you camera behind you when you press it and then lets you free look as per usual. Much faster to check behind and you get a quick 180 degree glimpse as the camera moves as well
Number 2 don't fire at an enemy unless you have your sights on them. I find so many teammates just shooting at enemies hoping to hit them. Even if you are in front. The amount of team kill's I've experienced in the last 2 weeks has been tremendous.
I would also like to add that keeping your team alive is essential. You may win a 1v5 in props, but the way missiles, speed, and energy works at top tier, that is gonna be a LOT less likely. The enemy can reinforce their friends really quickly so you don't have time to separate them into multiple smaller fights. What this means is that your teammates need to stay alive. If you find yourself always being the last one alive on your team with most/all of your ammo, you didn't do well, you took too long. Taking too long is one of the main mistakes I see people make. You have to get in and get in the fight. If you shoot down a Phantom, for example, that's now EIGHT missiles your teammates don't have to worry about dodging. Every plane you take out is 4-8 missiles the enemy team no longer has. The earlier you kill that plane, the less chance it had to kill your teammates. Setting up for your kills, taking your time, and playing smart is all well and good, but if you've been passive for too long, it's largely your fault your team will lose. If you're watching your teammates lose a fight outnumbered from a distance, they're outnumbered because you're not there. I'm not saying be dumb and be hyper aggressive, just make sure you don't wait too long to get in the fight. You don't have to jump into the furball, either. If you enjoy a more passive playstyle, hang around behind your teammates and let them do most of the fighting, but be in a position to clean somebody off their tail. Honestly that's a good way to get easy kills, too. People aren't usually watching their back when they're lining up their own shots so that's a great time for you to shoot. Way higher chance of a hit, and you help a teammate. Win win.
Honestly the best top tier War thunder advice on CZcams thanks for this! Also I would like to add study modern day/Period your flying Combat avation and if you are able fly Ace combat/ Likes multiplayer/singplayer and or DCS singlepayer/multiplayer DCS as they will teach you skills War thunder only will under much more presure... Like DCS will teach you how Modern combat avation works and Ace combat will teach you how to win at it as if you can come 1st in multiplayer with an early plane vs supers nothing in warthunder will be out of your reach at least in my expernce.
Wonderful video, situational awareness is honestly the hardest part of top tier especially when you enter the era of all aspect missiles. Can't wait for the discord server
Just put it simply don’t stick on a dogfight for more than 3 second. Top tier is missile thunder for a reason. The longer you stay on someone’s tail the higher the chance of you receiving a r60 or magic up on your ass. Finish the fight as fast as possible if it’s about guns and fox 2s. If it takes too long break off and extend away. Look around you a lot as well cuz you will need it
Great tipps man! I really appreciate your video!
The top tier is literally full of kill thieves, if you crit someone and they’re in a burning flat spin you best believe there’s an F5C sprinting down to nab that kill
Top tier has been tough to get into. This video has helped immensely and me and my kfir are doing much better now. The plane I kill the most seems to be the f14. Don't know why that is.
4:00 o.O
Really nice and informative video! Moving in one direction and then quickly changing it actually works pretty well for IR missiles too, as they also use proportional navigation, and it allows you to loose way less speed/energy.
O7
one thing what you could have added are the different rolls of certain aircraft and how to utilize them. just as example a Mig-21SAU cant be flown like an F-14 or a 23 as you are often relegated to a vulture roll and strike when the majority of your team is already in combat.
thanks you, i have waited long for this
currently i use my iR missiles as frontal firing flare, when someone fires off an all aspect shot in close range merged headons (like those pesky su-.25ks) have your own IR missile head looking, itll lock up the enemy incoming boomstick and you can fire your own off, top that by going off burners and barrel rolling = 100% of the time the enemy missile and mine merge. Ive done this consistently in the Tornado IDS; J35XF, J37A mig21mf. hell even the phantom e2 can do it.
im unsure as to how realisitic this is, it smells a lot like "gamecode" :D apart from that, good video :)
When you referenced the "team player" bit all every Su-25 and MiG-19 player heard was "Steal my teammates kills to 'support' them"
Great video as always, could you please do a video on the f5c in the tomcat meta and in downtiers?
This was so useful! Thanks!
what i would also recommend, try to learn 1 jet that u want to grind ur Tech tree, watch some youtube videos about it (not only highlights, mostly reviews) there u can get ur +/- for ur jet and mostly a example how to fight other jets in that rank.
Ofc it´s a lot information but u can get ur first steps and maybe future steps how to play the jet that enemys used since u get know pro and conts of it aswell.
Just bought the 4fs phantom this helped a lot
For other Su-22M3 or similar plane that carries R60s and doesnt turn too well, especially against F-5cs, Missiles will work, and guns too.
Basically, bait them with the missiles, Su22m3 can carry up to 6 R60s, I rarely even bring bombs on it and just go rambo on planes. They tunnel vision most of the time enough to gun kill them.
Also, learn optimal launch ranges. Too close with the R60 will make it not pull enough G's, Too far and it wastes its energy and fuel. Just enough can take an enemy by surprise as it burns its motors really quickly, and once its gone, the red square thing will disappear. They wont notice and they'll die. Flares also arent that needed, stay fast, stay low, and turn. You'll be surprised with how many missiles just decide to not blow or turn when you pull like, just 10Gs overload on subsonic speeds without afterburners.
Дякую за відео, цікаво було послухать)👍
Dead serious this video helped me much i was alive the whole round with bunch of kills thank u
"Dodging IR missile is easy, drop a couple flares" Im using a controller on console I gotta scroll through 3 menues before I can use countermeasures dog 😭
Ah yes, actually needed this to know how to *not* die to F14s
Very solid vid man
4:48 Bro really did that to you in chat when he's fighting a 2v1.
lmfao that mig 23 during your second background fight
Great video as always. Any chance you could make one better explaining how to use radar? I've been trying to get the hang of pulse Doppler in the F-4J, but I always seem to lose lock or have my missiles not track well.
I may do that at some point, it would take a good chunk of work though, and I want to develop my video making skills a bit more before I tackle that topic.
Tim’s variety had a great video on radar of you wanna check his video out.
Here’s an actual term used by air forces and that’s jamming the wez it means you put your plane close enough to the enemy where you’re not in gun range but are close enough where a missile can’t pull enough lead to hit you.
Good advice 👍
After playing for almost three tears I still more or less avoid top tier. Took that long to become average in props and I just don't understand how to effectively fight in jets. Perhaps this video will help.
The best advice is to keep your head on a swivel. The spotting system will not save you, as I have found too many times. You want to be able to see your enemy so you can take action.
You also want to avoid the main cluster fuck as much as possible. It's too hot, too dangerous, there's a chance even friendlies will kill you accidentally in the furball.
And if you have to go into the furball, keep your speed up and keep your eyes open for someone trying to kill you.
There's also the fact you must know how to play your aircraft well. With the new Tomcat players, they don't know how to dogfight. Because I know my Crusader well, I am able to toy with the Tomcats and beat them at their own rate fighting game.
i like your channel and your videos, subscribed
For the IR missiles, something that works only in a dogfight is to "jam the wez" which means the msl doesn't have enough space to either gather speed to manouver, or not enough space to turn towards you
(I play DCS that's how I know)
Sraams says hi at 90°+ angle
@@salvatoreg26 AV8 240x flares say bye
I find it hard to shed the prop plane/tier 5 jet mentality. Even at tier 5, missiles weren't a super common thing, and only a few aircraft would have them. Now that I've swapped to realistic air battles with the F5C, I'm struggling a bit. Some games I'll get a kill or two, but most of them end up with me back to the lobby with no kills. It's a different world when you can get blown up just like that. It does make getting a kill more satisfying tho.
Thanks for the guidelines will use when I reach top tier see you in 2077
im a bit late to top tier but this video helped a bunch:)
One of the ways I avoid getting killed by radar guided missiles is by hitting the deck. When you're close to the ground, the missile and enemy radar has a really hard time distinguishing you from ground clutter and doesn't get a good lock. Stay close to the ground with high speed and you can pop up when needed.
I agree, especially in maps that have terrain u can use as cover like mountains, hills, or canyons. It's a fun tactic for me when I fly the F5 that is such a fun plane
Pretty good advice. I just don´t really enjoy it on the arcade sized maps.. The huge ones? Sure.
I have no top tier and this is some of the most ______ guide ever!
from my experience
rushing in a mig 23mf is perfectly fine if you have r60mk's
most do not expect it, but 2 days ago I did have some issues with this strategy, but i modified it by rushing through the middle of the map where all the AI planes are
this way an f14's may mistaken you as an AI player and will not pay attention to you
only works when you have not been visually detected (red name tag)
and it has worked so far
don't do this in any other plane
it is a stupid strat, but i just wanna bully some f14's thinking they are maverick
Always ALWAYS remember to turn off afterburner so you dont run out of fuel. (Happened to me way too many times 😅)
My top tier was f-1000 but I’m now on the F-4 not the E version
Trying to play f4c and getting stomped consistently no countermeasures when everyone else has them. Missiles do nothing as everyone just flares. Matches last about 30 seconds, I'm dead within about 5 and usually we lose. Genuinely a complete waste of time grinding for that thing and it's successor isn't much to write home about either. Gotta love it.
8:09 Oh look! A Rare Harrier G.R.1 gun kill!
I grinded Italy to top tier, My ASA killcount is increased when I go against F14s and i've even seen level 20s flying the F14
I’m a level 40 f14 player it’s fun an easy to use
Always looking to see if I’m getting gun downed in warthunder videos…I’m always expecting to be haha
I keep having troubles with g force and having to reset my flight path is there a button or something that can be bound to reset the pull and such?
Wow perfect timing. I just got the game and the Mig-23ML. Hopefully this will allow me to do more than base rush. Any clues on how to not TK with the 24Ts?
Don't fire if any teammates are anywhere near your target
The biggest roblem is that you grind your 12.0 airplane and have no flares no reliable missiles and no g-suit.
"you got your team to back you up" oh top tier has completely different teams as the rest of warthunder? can't wait :D
Little did he know the new jets that would be added to the game that do not care about flares or where you’re at on the board lol
I sure do love my radar beeping at my teammates so idk when it’s beeping at a missile
Nice f5!
Question from a f14 main here: is it possible to outrun a missle and if u do what happens?
I would love to play the to tier jets. But the most punishing about them are the huge repair cost. I got the Italy F-104S ASA and the stock repair is 12k and when it's fully speeded it 19k. Like why should I play something that will make me pretty much bankrupt. I would love to play it, but the repair cost is just way to much.
ever flown the B59?
Fly it once and don’t fly it again for a few days. That’s why I run all trees, I always got something to play
“Obviously everyone who has made it this far probably put has free look binded”
Lol youd be surprised. There are so many level 1-10s with F-5Cs and SU-25Ks now
I’m here bc I unknowingly bought a high teir squadron jet and don’t know how to properly use it
there's a thing you should cover for when R-27's or AMRAAMS get added, which is cranking, too lazy to explain it but it's a really important thing in BVR..
I’d like to make a missile guide at some point, when the time comes I’ll get to work on it.
Cranking is easily explained: Turning as far away from your target while still keeping within gimbal limits of your radar
can you talk about why the us have no vehicle with lazer range finder at 7/7.7 unlike the other countries
So, basically the opposite of low-mid tier, my first instinct was "ok, idk how to maneuver in this speeds, im going to bnz this mofos and see gow much i get" i was the first kill, by an f14, nobody warned me that the enemies could have planes of the same country as your team
im in the mig 23 and, the f14 missles i cant dodge and i do every single thing i can do and they still get me
But' the problem about positioning is that almost all of your teammte are going to be A10A or A6E tram we need update on grind
what about the pheonix missile its a super missile that not even another F14 can dodge it
nah but 6:46 was insane
“Top tier jets require brain power” *r73 enters chat*
How can I play good in Mig21S Soviet premium air , it’s really need Skill issue , Please advice me
4:50 bro the chat😭
I don't mind to suck at top tire at least i made it i have all the elements grind is B in this game after all the Job done i will enjoy just enjoy the game that will be my target at the end
How long would it take to get to top tier without free look? Sounds like a nightmare.
6:47 OOF
Any chance you have a discord coming soon?
its in the works. expect one soon. :D
Stay fast
How to describe Warthunder: low tier; prepare to have everybody gang up on you and vice versa, prepare for hours. MONTHS of suffering just to get to a decent tier where you can actually have the SLIGHTEST bit of fucking fun. Top tier; how the fuck are you not insane by now?
that sure helped me in some ways, but... what if I am at top tier with no countermeasures, is there any other tricks I can do against R-60M's or AIM-7's when I am flying the F-104J for example, which has no flares I can use to fool em.
I guess you would just have to position yourself differently, and hope your team can pull their weight. F104’s aren’t exactly meta Rn.
@@_Joob I usually try going away from my team, avoiding getting spotted by going Real far and hidind terrain, only problem are space F-14's with their multi launch missiles, but thanks to your doppler trick of flying side to them, the missiles seem to much worse on guiding
I have an su-22m3 and have no idea how to play it this helps me but the plane is heavy I can’t dodge/fight Like a fight can u help me with that?
I can help. Su-22m3 despite having variable wing sweep cannot outurn most planes around same BR. However it is very fast because of its engine.
The best tactic to use with it is to use the "hit and run" tactic. Basically, you intercept targets engaging your allies, being fast and preferably engaging enemies on their sides so they cant often see you or engage you if they do.
Alr thanks bud
f4E- high alt or low alt? cause im on the verge of losing my sanity
I try to kill enemies on my allies. Because the enemy is usually too focused to defend
Facts
You said to drop chaff against the f4e but with my experience in the f4 the dogfight 2 mussels don’t care about chaff 😂
Chaff don't work in headons with all sparrow variants, it is because they have a cw seeker head that filters chaff.
4:45 don’t be like that guy “RedStarRelic”😂
me in my j35d knowing i am screwed cause of the uptiers
make that lim 5 polish
Man the grind was hard. Taking the credit card out of my mums wallet was a trek!
How do you dodge magics in the aj35, if you don't bring flares?
I have dodged magics in a MiG-21SMT before flares were added to it. You have to be fast with a little bit of altitude. You basically make a flat turn and as the missile starts to lead you, you pull straight down towards the floor and roll out to the opposite direction you initally flat turned to.
@@Boris_The_Turtle thanks for the tip, will try it later :)
Rush strategy is fun! Do not make your mind blowing, peoples which do this want some fun from this game. What can be more funny then entire team chasing you for entire game? 8 enemys on my 6? 8 free frags for my teammates if i do everything right. If they shoot me down...meh, i'll go to the next match, not a big deal.
Great video! Not quite yet to top tier air but wonderful tips, btw do you have a discord?
No shot that guy was taunting after failing to win a 2v1 for 4 minutes
4:49
sometimes at 3am i just take the ej kai and just fly in the middle of the map and get 4 kills yolo
- join the army/air force of your main country
- train on your preferred in-game vehicle
- gain access to sekrit documents
- leak them so they'll buff your preferred vehicle
Thats my actual plan
Forget the hard deck skim them trees
I can't get to top tier please help me I'm at br 4 my latest plane is a bomber b26b and that's br 4.7 but the rest of my planes aren't any better than br 4.3 I have fun but it's so long and I just can't.