Drinker's Chasers - Hiring Activists Instead Of Writers
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2023
- A project will sink or swim on the quality of its writing team. The problem is that Hollywood has increasingly resorted to hiring talentless fans and activists who care only about themselves.
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True writers tell stories. Fake activists try to score points to an audience that doesn't exist. 🎉
"Somewhere out there? There's a theater full of my actual genetic clones, all raised on the same matriarchal apparatchik commune. I dedicate this picture to them."
it is not about "scoring points" it is about promoting their world view and fetishes in a culture to influence the youth to carry it on
They're scoring Internet points from their legions of sock puppets.
So, fake activists live in a story.
They know this "modern audience" does not exist! 😏
Those activists just want to write *SELF INSERTS* to try and stabilize their completely shaky ego's a little bit.
No one looks like them. No one thinks like them. No one desires them. No one relates to them - and for good reason. Because those people embody weakness and selfloathing and no matter how subtle, it is recognizable. No one likes WEAKNESS hidden even the most stalwart facade of selfconfidence. 🥱🤗
It's not a coincidence that "heroes" started talking and behaving like villains just when they started being written by woke activists.
Maybe you don't agree but I think a good example is Kylo Ren killing his FATHER in Disney Star Wars Episode VII.
@@SuperMrBlazeOr Falcon and The Winter Soldier, where the writers wanted us to sympathize with a terrorist who blew up innocent workers.
Would've been a nice change to heroes in general had it been in better hands and if DA MESSAGE wasn't shoved down out throats
Irony is so obvious from those hack writers. 😂
@randomcharacter6501 that was when I completely bailed on marvel. That was truly insane and blatant
The idea of “everyone can do whatever they want if they just try” has gone way too far. Some people can’t act. Some people can’t write. Some people can’t draw. These activists think everything is all just so easy, anyone can do it. And we’re seeing the cost of that now.
not only that, but we're at a point where, if you don't magically excell at something, you're a failure. All these modern heroes are mary sues, regardless of gender. No surprise, since the authors are people who want the gov to hand them everything and fix everything from them. They really believe life consists of demanding things, instead of putting effort into improving things or creating new ones.
They can write if they actually put in the effort, tried different genres and to improve. Oh wait they never tried
We're seeing the results of participation trophies. Why bother getting good when you can be rewarded for not even trying?
It's less of an issue of "everyone can do whatever they want if they just try" and more of an issue of "you're already enough to be anything you want to be!" in my opinion. People think that if they put in the bare minimum they should immediately see rewards, and thus nobody really puts in the effort to try and get good at what they're trying to be good at. Anyone with the right constitution can improve themselves to great heights, it's just that most people don't have the constitution to persist in the face of the struggles. Yet the world is telling those people that it's not on them to improve their skills and overcome their struggles, but rather that the struggles should just cease and life should give them their rewards for free.
"you can do it if you try" is a good thing, it shows that if you put in effort you can achieve your goals.
But improving yourself by training and putting in effort implies you are capable of commiting mistakes and requires recognizing you have yet to grow, which hollywood types are outrihgt allergic to the diea they might be wrong, they'd rather blame society itself and claim every signle person arround them are evil patriarchal bigots conspiring against them because they're *insert minority here*.
So yes, the conclusion is inevitable, people who can't write keep writing shit and when nobody likes it the prospect they might've written something bad doens't even go trough their heads, clearly it's everybody else taht's the rpoblem and i don't need to improve myself at all.
Man who knew giring the people that hate the franchise would backfire horribly?
i swear they're so afraid of success and are SO addicted to failure and fan backlash
Exactly. No passion and no desire to succeed means no good to fans whatsoever especially with adaptations.
It's like they never watched the Gender Bender episode of Futurama.
Hollywood only hires them because they are trans
That wasn't the only thing backfiring during this chaser...
Children yell and complain (activists), adults get on with it and fix things. Social media has infantilized an entire generation.
And public education run by activists
I blame hippies for activism.
@@dragonknightleader1 Sooo… the hippies of the 60s and 70s
@@chasehedges6775yes
Indeed. We were all virtue signalers at some point, thinking we knew how to fix the world. But thankfully, we outgrew that and adquired some wisdom. Nowadays the virtue signaling gets applauded, so young people keep thinking they'd solve all the worlds problems if only everyone else did exactly as they say.
This is also epidemic in the literary world. I used to be an editor for a magazine that tried to highlight up and coming writers and give them their foot in the door. Despite a lot of great short stories coming across my desk, the owner of the magazine said we needed to target specific demographics no matter how lacking their writing was. This led to the downfall of the magazine as it was filled with LGBTQ, angry women and aboriginal writers who had no business being given a shot but the owner was ticking off the boxes and promoting us as 'progressive'. I've never read such terrible stories in all my life and these got printed while true masterpieces were ignored because they were written by straight white males. Writing isn't a byproduct of skin color or sexual orientation. It's talent and hard work and, sadly, that means nothing to this current group who are the gatekeepers.
DEI is designed to deliberately destroy excellence and meritocracy. They even went so far as to tell everyone as much by including the word "equity" in their acronym dogma.
Oof! I'm all too familiar with this..I've seen several magazines close, and if you go to what they want under their submissions, it's always a checklist of progressive points.
Remember when propaganda was at least done well?
Instead now they just flood the market with trash
The way you've written that mentioning 'aboriginal' in the context you use, makes me wonder if you wear a little cap.....
Ah yes, the people who scream systemic racism for using a name but never give any context for what is universally approved to refer to someone. @@garethpeck3607
I heard a commissioning editor once say, "Everyone has a book inside them, but for most people that's exactly where is should stay."
That's where these activists need to shove their books...inside of them.
These "writers" should focus more on the villains since they're really good at making characters we can hate.
Villains who will constantly shriek when you misgender them, will be the result.
Ah, but they’d make those the heroes, you see.
Looks at Ahsoka.
I believe that's more due to Filoni leaving them alone unhindered by his "talents" than being better at writing villains...
@@Darkwintreoh man how Filoni has fallen, he was super good back in the clone wars. Now he is just mid, oh times have changed
@@koslisted9458 "I identify as a demon, and if someone has a problem with me killing people, then thats demon-phobic!!"
Seriously tho, we're not far from that.
Talking about comics, I look at something like X-Men where the message for decades was that "mutants are people". There were good ones, bad ones, ones who skirted the line, etc. The X-Men were about promoting equality and stopping the bad actors in mutant population who would hurt civilians and simply harm the idea that mutants weren't like everyone else.
Now they stand shoulder to shoulder with mass murderers because, "we're all mutants".
You can't have enjoyed the X-Men for decades and come out with them behaving this way. So, I can't believe these people were ever fans.
Edit:
The reason these people got hired by Marvel and DC is that they're cheap. Print media margins are razor thin. The market had been getting smaller and older for decades. The money simply isn't in the monthlies and really hasn't been for a long time.
Well then writing shut stories certainly doesn’t help the margins, not like they haven’t writing mid stuff for the last several decades either
Woke was largely an excuse for firing expensive experienced employees and replacing them with cheaper college-aged adults, with almost no experience. This led to lots of growing and learning pains, a lack of workers due to rampant racism and sexism meaning the low-skill workers can't easily be replaced, and also management didn't have experienced employees to challenge their bad ideas and improve their good ideas. So much brain drain, in a vain attempt to "right the past, and fix what once went wrong".
It's not about having dumb writers, it comes from the top. They hire bad writers because they want them to write exactly what the execs (and therefore, their bank) want. Look up ESG score. It can make or break your business.
The end goal of this shit is both to divide us and destroy the moral values past pop art displayed of our culture. Because they need to replace basically all our moral foundations with corporate ones that are built to divide us.
It's not a mistake they all started this at the same time, that they all go woke go broke and still do it. They didn't get all stupid one day. This is a concerted effort to reshape culture by destroying the old and embracing the new, corporate values. So the hirees are just useful idiots, it comes directly from the biggest banks in the world and thus just a few dozen people decided this is how our future of entertainment should look like.
Why would you destroy a character like Luke Skywalker? Because he's literally an anti-fashism icon while our corporate overlord try to get more and more control over our lives. You see the problem? They need those kinds of values to never exist again. They do that by humiliating the characters on screen/killing them so that we don't associate with these feelings anymore. Very nasty to use behaviorism theory in that way.
This is behavior modification at a civilizational scale. It's the most vile shit.
A lot of these activists are so full of themselves that they don't realize how shitty their ideology actually is
@@StephenGillieno one can right the past by destroying someone else's future and history. Equality is the only peaceful path ,equity is a dystopian concept that always ends in a horrible tyrannical cycle.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone claiming to be an 'activist' marks themselves an enemy combatant.
Big fat ass facts.
Set phasers to stun. Most of them don't get a lot of exercise and shouldn't pose much of a challenge.
I agree.
@StephenGillie No reason to expend valuable resources, eh? Agreed 👍
A bit harsh.
I used to be into politics and when debating with these types online I've found that when you don't bite with their name calling and stick to logic then they lose the argument.
I call them lightweights and to be ignored
I worked in post production in Hollywood for a long time, and can confirm one thing you sometimes hear, which is that Harvard kids always got their foot in the door. Write for the National Lampoon, for example, and even if your writing is bad, hey, you went to Harvard, so you must know something everyone else doesn't, right? Wrong. I remember working a weird animated show whose showrunner was a bigshot at The Daily Show. He himself was a Harvard alum, so he surrounded himself with Harvard kids. These bozos were incredibly unfunny. They're 22, fresh out of college, and haven't lived life. Why on earth would you put them in charge of scripts? Answer: vanity.
For years Hollywood entertainment succeeded on the too-big-to-fail model. That's over. Now their failing because of their too-young-to-know-anything writers. Activists or not.
Its so obvious when a writer is a kid parroting the last lecture they half-remember from their 4th year. Why? Because their 'characters' have all the nuance & realism of a bad political cartoon. Like I'm genuinely surprised they don't make their villains wear actual t-shirts that say:
"INCEL"
"MAGA"
"TRUMPER"
The same way a hack cartoonist would.
What's the National Lampoon?
@@StephenGillie A spinoff humor magazine of the Harvard Lampoon, which is what I meant. A lot of Harvard's aspiring screenwriters will cut their teeth at the Lampoon magazine. Conan O'Brien was one.
@@StephenGillie One of the writers at HL/NL was Doug Kenney, who wrote "Animal House" and "Caddyshack." The National Lampoon stage show "Lemmings" (a Woodstock parody) gave a boost to John Belushi who went on to "Saturday Night Live" (where Dan Ackroyd and Bill Murray performed) and they went on to "Ghostbusters."
Another writer, P.J. O'Rourke, became a conservative humorist who wrote a number of fascinating books like "Parliament of Whores" (U.S. Congress) and "Give War a Chance."
Some of the NL's best issues was one devoted to "what if John Kennedy survived Dallas and went on to become a four-term president?" and another about the Beatles. Very funny material.
In short, National Lampoon magazine spawned a generation of comedians and writers who created a lotta laughs over the next couple of decades.
If you're interested, seek out via library or interlibrary loan "National Lampoon's Tenth Anniversary Anthology: 1970-1980" It's crammed with material that would get you banned today.
That, unfortunately, is not unique to the movie industry.
A great example of non-fans ruining a franchise comes from the Dragonball Evolution movie in 2009. It was an absolute atrocity and the writer even came out in 2016 and said he was not a fan of the spurce material, knew very little aboutit, and was just chasing a payday. To his credit he apologized sincerely.
And that movie was an L because of it
You can add Last Airbender to that list
The Halo TV Show would be another great example of this too. Writers completely disregarding the source material and only using it as window dressing for the story they wanted to write.
@@oss182 But we are only counting those not ruined by woke activists but ruined either way... Not sure about Halo...
Heisei Gamera is the inversion where the dude didn't give a fuck about the og and made a really good trilogy so I don't think its that black and white.
When I hear activists, I always think of this quote from Keith David's character King in Platoon:
"Oh, I see. What we got here is a crusader. $hit. You gotta be rich in the first place to think like that."
Agreed.
Great actor, great character, great movie and a great line.
👏👏👏👍
“Your highness has arrived!!!” 😂
The missing factor, Chato, is they are loosely "fans" that are primarily activist idoelogues that have recieved their world views from colleges. They project their own self serving naricissism and traits and fetishes onto characters. They have been doing this for decades and I can only speak for when I first saw them doing it was in the late 90s online in fan circles that were dominated by college feminist liberal art marxists. They view pop culture as their vehicle and soapbox to promote their politics, beliefs and fetish kinks, because why make your own when you lack the talent when hijacking existing IPs is easier?
Concur. Too many low-lifes look at a successful property and believe, "That's a potential vehicle for THE MESSAGE." That said message is irrelevant to the property, if not counter to it, is beside the point. The activist uses the property as camouflage for THE MESSAGE because the latter doesn't sell on its own.
For instance, take a college English composition class and see how much feminist ideology gets waved in front of the class. Reason: feminist ideology doesn't attract a crowd on its own and has to be shoehorned into a mandatory course.
Damn, I'm so glad I'm out of college. Community college, and that's it, but still.
It reminds me of this experiment performed by Lego I think in which they gave Batman figures to boys and girls and watched their behaviour; the boys just wanted to play as Batman, while the girls wanted to turn Batman into whatever they wanted (a husband, a gardener, etc.). Some would ever go as far as draw over their figure (stuff like flowers and whatnot) to make it more "their own".
A lot of these modern writers are as much of a fan of the IPs they work for as those 5yo girls turning those Batman figures into anything but what Batman should be like.
Yep, they are nothing more than glorified bad fanfic writers.
Plus not all fans are created equal. If you're fortunate you have never delved into the rabbit hole that is "headcanon".
As usual, the Critical Doggo's input is the most inciteful. What a legend.
And yet so many racial slurs
"I want to make it for modern audiences."
"I want to put my spin on it."
"I want to subvert expectations."
"I want black and brown girls to feel represented." (So Asian-American girls are out? Native American girls as wells?)
Meanwhile, stuff like Squidgames and films such as RRR have basically been met with audience praise and fanfare. I wonder why...
Something about culture, competency and putting story above ideology? Idk. I have not seen either sadly.
Also, history is filled with many actually true stories that could basically be copy pasted and be actually woke when told.
Also, there is nothing really wrong with unique productions(with an auteur style visionary mode). Consider the play Hamilton for example. Many people loved that play. Or perhaps the films of someone like Tarantino. He is absolutely absurd sometimes. And it works.
Art is supposed to be unique and subjective.
nah, asian-americans and native americans (as in white girls with a native american grand-grand father not acutal native people) are still americna, so they matter just as much as african-american and mexican-american ones
Fuck actual asians, natives, africans and mexicans tho, they're all unenlightened retrograte bigots who're underseving of representation.
@@py_a_thon Do you really think there's nothing political in Squid Game or RRR, lol?
@@MagcargoMan Of course not. Artists often choose to add a layer of subtext to their art. Sometimes it is obvious and sometimes it is subtle.
The parlor trick perhaps is to say what you want to say artistically: yet still create a good film.
The problem starts with hiring people who think they can "improve" on what is there. That arrogance means they are unwilling to learn from their seniors.
Writers should always honor what was done before them, because without that, they wouldn't have a franchise or a job.
These people are "fans" in the same way someone "loves" going to a particular restaurant, but also wants to toss out the entire existing menu and replace it with stuff only they like.
Good analogy. They like the ambience and the fact that the restaurant attracts people, but they want it to serve only pizza and burgers because their taste glands can't appreciate anything beyond that.
@@Yarblocosifilitico Except that most people _enjoy_ pizza and burgers. These assholes are looking to just serve pickled turnips and raw kale.
Or thinks they can do better and the moment they get into the kitchen they make a mess of the place, set something on fire, cause massive arguments with all the staff and customers, produce a disgusting food nobody likes, complains to management playing the victim and walks out destroying the reputation of the place
Look at actors, actresses, writers, directors, musicians, and artists from the 20th century. A lot, and I mean the vast majority of them, had real world experience. They lived a life before they became famous. The current crop of creatives that we have now have never lived outside of the Hollywood bubble. They've never had to struggle. They've never had to make a life-impacting choice. And it comes off in their work.
Tolkien served in the trenches of the first world war. Hemingway volunteered during the Spanish civil war. Hell, Elvis served active duty US Army. Stephen King did factory work when he was young, I believe.
It gives a whole different perspective than going from High School to college to the writers room.
You have no clue what you are talking about if you think creative professionals never have to struggle. The term starving artist exists for a reason. If anything the average creatives have things even worse than they did say 30 years ago since now a large portion of them are self-taught and self-published etc. Kids these days, open their mouths when they have no clue what they are talking about.
@@kirbyjoe7484 Enlighten me then. Tell me how someone who has never lived outside of the Hollywood bubble has struggled.
@@kirbyjoe7484 lol the hardest part of these "starving artists" lives is deciding if to go to mcdonalds or kfc.
I know video game journalism got inundated by people so clearly didn’t like video games. It was pretty clear these were journalism students that were looking to break into the industry and saw this as their starter job.
what do modern screenplay writers hope to move on to?
A reminder that Kevin Smith had gone on record saying that he hated He-Man. Yet he still got hired to write a He-Man series
I recall a quote...
_“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.”_
That being said I guess they can just be tolerant of us by tolerating us not tolerating them for being so intolerable...
Look ma, now I'm a writer now, too!
I had a debate in person with a non binary thing and it moaned about intolerance. I said to it "if you expect me to be tolerant of your views, then you need to be tolerant of mine which do not align with yours" it did not like that at all and found it crazy that I even suggested that.
@@Biscuits645 "You either tolerate that I do not agree, or we will inevitably end up enemies in violence _your intolerance_ causes. Do not think there will be mercy for those who force peaceful people to violence."
That's a G.K. Chesterton quote. He's got some interesting ones. For example,
"There is a corollary to the conception of being too proud to fight. It is that the humble have to do most of the fighting."
"The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because they are generally the same people."
Can't think of many other short ones at the moment.
Every major institution, government, religion, sports, the military...are being run by the people who hate them. Entertainment and all it's facets and genre's are no different.
They hate everything and everyone, want to burn it all down and replace it with something else because reasons.
Here is one of the key differences between good writers and bad writers: Good writers will go back to proof-read and polish their work. They will do this a many times as they feel necessary. They will not release it until they feel that it is ready (deadlines be damned!). Bad writers are afraid to review their own work---they fear being presented with the fact that they have produced garbage. Good writers do not fear producing garbage on a first draft---they know that they can fix in in the proof/polish phase. Polishing the work is often where the true creativity comes forth.
Also good writers show you what their characters are like, bad writers show you what they are like.
That reminds me of the original screenplay for "Wreck-It Ralph" that I found on a "Making 'Wreck-It Ralph" site. It was Awful, sorta like "Ralph Breaks The Internet." A total rewrite and a different approach produced a Modern Classic.;)
Test audiences are something you usually employ to test the response to your movie, see if you actually made something good, see if you can improve
@@Mouse_Metalgood writers put virtues in their characters and put them in circumstances for those to shine through.
Complicit writers, put their favored ideology in the hero position, and the opposing as the villains. They sometimes get surprised when people like the opposing side more.
A big factor is useful review of your work _so that you can polish it_ to improve. So often, bad writers refuse to listen to input or rework something that is fine to them, but isn't to everyone else.
Good storytelling is about respect, not disdain, for the audience. When talented people write badly, it's generally for one of two reasons: Either they're blinded by an idea they feel compelled to prove, or they're driven by an emotion they must express.
That makes sense. I will remember your perceptions my friend.
Peace.
You have to be upper middle class to get your start as a Hollywood writer. After all, they can afford to just scrape by longer than the average person. They also went to the "right" colleges.
Since writers write what they know, we will continue to get protagonists that are wealthy, lots of degrees, and a feeling their job is to protect society from the "uneducated masses" that aren't as enlightened as they are.
All the times hollywood products preach about social justice and protecting the opressed and how capitalism bad and all that woke bs are hilarious once you remmeber almost everyone involved is middle-to-upper class americans, IE they're more privileged than 90% of everyone else in teh world
It's also infurating once you remmeber they acutally think themselves the opressed, not the opressor.
Do we get a lot of highly academic wealthy characters whose goal is to protect society from the unwashed mashes ? They might have the same mindset as the IRL people that tick those boxes, but if I think about the bad protagonists we got over the years, wealthy and with lots of diploma don’t particularly spring to mind.
Well, the uneducated masses have, in fact, proven themselves to be quite a huge problem!
This reminds me of a Woody Allen (Annie Hall quote)
"Those who can't do, teach. And those who can't teach, teach gym"
Hollyweird can stay on strike for as long as they like…there’s plenty of old movies and tv shows out there I haven’t seen anyway!
I kinda hope they do, and that they implode.
Well now California has agreed to pay for their unemployment while on strike
Pop culture is starting to go the way of the fine arts. Skills means nothing, but self-expression is everything.
Well, we were already given a toilet which was supposed to be art in the gallery, so now it´s only logical we are given some turds on screen.
Some people are seriously trying to suggest banshee howls are music.
Art is not all that subjective, there is very much objectively bad art.
Fine art AKA the bastion of money laundering for billionaires. Guess there is a correlation to Hollywood accounting.
If art were truly only about self-expression, then diary entries and editorials would be considered art. In fact, diary entries would be the ultimate form. Whoever's in charge of fine arts criteria needs to go home and rethink their life.
@@Mouse_Metal Are we talking about that urinal, Fountain? I had an art teacher present that image to us. I enjoyed her class because she was actually willing to let us think about it and come to our own conclusions (e.g., the time she brought up Confederate statues and their removal from public spaces, asked what we thought about that, and just let us talk. She did not make a single comment the entire time that we were talking). But one of the ideas that I most remember from that class was that some of this "art" was art because it challenged people to think about what actually constitutes art.
Seriously, the fact that it challenges the idea of art doesn't mean that it's art.
majority of Gen Z are activists to a degree, so essentially any employer doing hiring these days regardless of industry is indirectly hiring activists. not only that, most companies are bending over to these ppl and making company wide changes to appease them. In all my life i have never seen this much preferential treatment given to a generation, didnt happen to Boomers, Gen X, or Millenials. Gen Z are being treated like all knowing gods, and i fear its going to be even worse when Gen A enters the workforce.
Whatever catastrophe befalls us, most zoomers won’t survive.
Older generations need to seriously consider having kids again.
Yeah stop giving power to people that don't deserve it. Those in power gave them the baton its their fault too.
@@theguybehindyou4762
No, we have enough!
We need less people having children.
We need to figure out how take care of the people that are already here.
@@theguybehindyou4762 What, so they can magically do it better while the first batch lets everything implode? We're stuck with what we got, they already messed up. If anything, they'd only do it again. And while a lot of zoomers are soft little idiots, there are strong people resting in there. They just need an actual kick in the ass from life for those strong people to develop/awaken.
@@mosesa.weaver3058 All the countries that matter have negative birthrates. We need more people having kids or we will be in serious trouble.
Back in time everyone joked that one day those hobos from Fanfiction gonna get hired instead of competent writers and ruin Film industry. And fuck, it seems it really happened.
Insane how AI actually matches professional writers when making scripts for shows and movies
soon, it will surpass them by a landslide
When current AI matches the quality that means the writers are garbage
AI can only copy what it's been trained on. It can't create. (Does this make it evil?)
@@StephenGillie No, because AI is just a tool and how it's used depends on the user; a gun isn't evil on its own, it's all up to how the owner uses it.
And yet people are still against it.
Nerdrotic actually said one of the most insightful things about art learning. The people who teach at art school in San Francisco are not master, they failed their careers and that's why they are there. So in theory there's no greater piece of knowledge they can pass to their students outside of the books, and the books are boring. Studying art by the book is not art at all, when it comes to art and entertainment you need experience or at least a lot of wisdom. You'd be surprised how little you have to do with characters and story to win over an audience, in fact we live in an era where less is more.
As the old saying goes: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
@@Valnox92probably applies more to lacking the creativity, not lacking the skill
So my economics professor is a failure because he isn't working for a faceless corporation?
@@justicedemocrat9357 An Adjunct Professor of economics was the President of US Soccer, Sunil Gulati. Some of the best theater actors of all time, who are largely respected by film actors, oft teach at conservatories or universities. I have tons more examples that this comment thread is suffering the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Lack of life experience also shows for many writers in their ignorance and narcissism- and I'm not necessarily using those words negatively. Through experience you grow and learn and can actually take yourself out of what you write because you're not the center of YOUR OWN unimportant and insignificant existence. It's not self-doubt, it's being realistic.
Yeah, most of these writers have always lived privileged and pampered lives and never experienced true hardship, which results in their writing being shallow. Most traumatic experience in their lives is the starbucks barista getting their order mixed up.
The arrogance of writers and actors to claim to know what todays audience wants and then create films that fail miserably and then blame the audience.
We used to be friends with this guy who was nice enough, but a God-awful cook. When everyone was gagging on the chow, he would scold us about how we didn't know what good was.
Fortunately, his wife took over eventually.
It's possible that this is a "cleaning house" scenario, these writer's have been costing studios money going on 5 years now, while independent projects are doing great compared to the franchise properties.
Guys heard of black rock? Might want to look some stuff up about them and their effects of media companies.
Safe to say you can blame A LOT of the modern issues with movies and tv in terms of culture on them
Multi-national media conglomerates are quite interesting. That is really all I have to say about that for now.
Larry Fink the CEO of BlackRock said that they need to "force behavior". OK Larry, come to my house and force my behavior and see what happens.
@@CodeBleu724 To be fair, in economics: the concept of forcing behaviour is definitely an aspect of business. Marketing itself is just a means of trying to force behaviours.
You need this product.
You want this product.
Etc.
It's not just the fact that they have not talent. It's also the fact that there are those who have a warped understanding of the property that they are a fan of. The moment they get their hands on them their first priority is to make their headcanons actual canon and chaos will unfold from there
"Make America tolerant again."
That sign made me laugh. We've been way too tolerant of these sickos. If you don't like it here, go live in another country.
My thoughts exactly: if America wasn't as tolerant as it is, these people would be searching the floor for their teeth
Maybe China can fit their needs cuz censorship-happy, if they can still stand that is...
Except they don't tolerate anyone who doesn't embrace the ideology. So it's a lie. The old "a leftist cries as he beats you."
And by sickos I guess you mean women? Seriously, if you don't like democracy YOU should get out.
@@TronTuborg I'd to see your fascist ass try it, you keyboard warrior.
A great writer usually has plenty of real life experiences. I get the feeling that modern writers never left their rooms as kids.
I've seen way too many non-fans rush into a community pushing political changes when that community becomes the new vogue punching bag, and way too many remakes/adaptations where the writers are proud to know nothing about the source material, to believe these writers are fans. Even the ones who claim to be fans, like Mindy Kaling with Velma, will so drastically change everything that it's clear they don't care about the original or the existing fanbase.
bingo!!
I think a lot of women don't actually want to be nerds; they want the _image_ of being a nerd. I still check in on superhero comics and pretty much every woman writing for them clearly has no love for the genre or the characters.
@BiggieTrismegistus one of my friends girlfriends would always say she was such a huge nerd because she played mariocart at parties. That was it. Yup.
@@newtpondskipper "I had a boyfriend who played videogames so I watched him and followed him to his nerdy conventions."
@cattysplat that is love. My wife wanted to game with me but doesn't enjoy tabletop games. She soldiered through a couple times and I love her for it but it's not her thing.
Art is taking the personal and transcending it into the universal. An artist has to have an affinity for humanity in order to speak to people in general. It's a the narrow view with a broad window coming from a higher place. It's the brilliance of Tolkien - he was looking down at us from heaven, he saw everything. Activists by nature have narrow views of elevating carved out issues, they are the opposite of artists who take the small and make it large. Activists take the large and make it small. And today's activists don't actually like people, they scorn them. They don't want to speak to them, they want to speak at them. True art has broad appeal, maybe only a view can fully appreciate many if not most of its brilliance - but it still speaks to most everyone who wants to listen. But if it doesn't connect to the soul of the human - it's not art.
I'm writing that first sentence down somewhere.
Its these same writers can take an established franchise and changing it to what they think, or how they want the characters to act.
They believe they know better the original material which is what made it successful or popular in the first place.
That's kind of the nature of being a different writer, you can do that. The way characters are portrayed generally changes over decades. People now are angry that Spiderman has a shitty life because of No Way Home when they were just saying that's what was missing about him in the last movie, people can't make up their minds. Star Wars is insulting fs but I don't think its inherently bad to be a new writer with a differing take on something, it's just harder when it's a big screen thing and not a comic book imo.
Everyone excited about One Piece and the buzz around it... All this reminds me of is when comic books went to the big screen. Suddenly everyone was interested in this niche genre of entertainment they formerly dismissed or looked down on. You had people who didn't know Iron Man or his comics now wearing merchandise, more heroes were getting movies and people wanted more. And we all see where the MCU and other comic book movie adaptations went as they gained broad appeal. I'm worried we're headed into the anime/manga version of that. Where the movie/show/comic was once handled with care by fans or overseen by someone who understood the source material, but were then replaced by hacks and activists. Where fair-weather fans/people will suddenly be major fans and take over the fandom, praising re-imagingings and poorly written crap like its fine wine because they don't care about the source material. Where a bunch of idiots in Hollywood will invest and grab up series and subsequently butcher them. We'll have ideologues in Netflix or Hollywood demanding their woke revisions and quotas in Japan. And if Japanese studios get lured in by money will get trapped in the same money lending ESG & creative control game that the west is being poisoned by. Creativity will be stunted and what makes manga/anime great will be warped until it rots like comic books and western tv & movies.
That's what I worry about. History repeating itself.
If they want to fundamentally change the IP (movies, comics, gaming) then they ARE NOT FANS. How can you be a fan of something and want to change everything about it? That guy is wrong. I don't care how many "cons" He's been to.
I hate how we call 8 or 10 episodes a season. Bring back 23 episodes!
Hard disagree. Shorter seasons are far superior.
No. I don’t think Netflix didn’t learn a lesson. The creator who retained creative rights to his property when he optioned it to Netflix is who learned a lesson.
I remember loving the Fast and Furious series as a kid. It had a diverse cast but it leaned on it’s story instead of relying heavily on virtue signaling. I know people make fun of it now - but you get my point.
F+F was always goofy and high concept, but it was heart-on-its-sleeve sincere about hot girls and fast cars and big heists and masculine rivalry being cool things that were cool. There wasn't that annoying hipster arch-ness that infects everything now.
For a couple of decades, audiences had no problems with minority of actors starring in movies and seeing movies with mixed-race casts. Obama changed that by giving a higher profile to leftists themes of racial grievances, and secret white supremacy.
It has a diverse cast but it doesn’t beat you ever the head with it. I’m grateful they introduced us to Tony Jaa for example. I never heard if the guy but now I’m a fan and have seen quite a few of his movies. And when they introduced new characters, they were from all races, including, gasp, more white people! And you don’t have to be Hispanic to be happy to see Rita Moreno in a scene. The concept of family combined with the silliness of it gave it a longer life that it ever should have had. And if anyone ever did a better tribute to someone in a movie better than the way they honored Paul Walker, I’ve never seen it.
Fast and Furious is successful because surprise, it's enjoyed by a wide audience. Because it's entertainment and doesn't try to pretend to be more important than it is and treat it's audience like a captive lecture, we got enough of that crap in education and workplace. Everyone gets their story and hero moment. It doesn't need to pander or denigrate. It especially doesn't pretend the alphabet people are more than a tiny fringe minority.
FF has been develop immunity against critic because they know we are here to watch the how goofy it is without putting themselves too serious
ODA is a GOAT, who won't let activist ruin his show. God Protect that MAN.
Who the hell is odo?
@@justicedemocrat9357creator of One Piece
@@azrieldalusong5042 What the hell is On Piece?
It feels to me as the stories of recent movies, shows, comics and whatnot, are akin to the most mid - at best - but more of the bad fanfictions out there. And I do not want to diss fanfic writers in general, cuz there is a varying degrees of qualitz of those too, but it is kinda hard to notice as if all the worst fanfic writers were given the job to write stories to popular franchises, blockbuster movies and alikes...
Even though they’re some amazing fan fiction writers, there’s a reason people make fun the hobby for being pornographic, cringe, and just bad
We have Twilight to blame for this, among others.
As a fanfic writer, I have to agree. I've stumbled upon some masterpieces, steered clear of the trash, and read a lot of decent stories. And I have to say, even those stories written by teenaged students, who are plagued by spelling mistakes of varying degrees, have generally more heart and thought put into them, than what "professionals" dish out the past years. If anything, the continuous string of cinematic failures have strengthened my confidence in my abilities as a writer.
But it is as you say, some of the published works are trash tier fanfics. Anyone remembers the dumpster fire of I am not Starfire? Peak trash.
because they have hired tumblr fanfic writers
no joke
a lot of those tumblr writers all state in their profiles that they were working they way into the industry back in the 2000s, looks like a lot of them got in the door, perhaps around the previous writer's strike of '2008-2009
fanfic writers should learn to write their OWN stuff and stop using existing IPs as their crutch, it has set the last 3 generations back, because they rather fit their ideas into existing creations of other people rather than create their own IPs. That is intellectual sloth.
The cheapest writers / artists are the ones you end up paying the most for... now the fans are suffering for it.
Or as RTD put it
"Talking about the young writers he mentors, Davies observed (via The Times) that there is a generation of up-and-coming screenwriters that are "trapped into wanting a job in that medium purely to increase representation." RTD adds, "I read their scripts and they’re rubbish.""
And those rubbish writers then worked on Doctor Who's episodes with the 13th Doctor.
I have an English degree. I have yet to use it since I got it a decade ago.
Part of me thinks "Alright, here's my opportunity to showcase what good story telling and character arcs can look like. This woke narrative is overstaying it's welcome and if I can tell honest and captivating stories I am sure to get noticed."
But the other part of me thinks "The storytelling I would write is dead. It's either woke writers or woke AI that is going to be the future of all forms of popular media. Besides, I don't meet any of the diversity requirements so I will be dismissed without them even attempting to give me a fair chance to tell my story. I hate it here."
Sounds like being a victim of bigotry and racism.
I get the same feeling.
I'm currently working on a creative and even though I don't know if it will ultimately be good; I have a feeling that it could be excellent, but be rejected on political grounds or the fact that I don't meet certain requirements.
“Just give fans what they want”
Picard S3: Make it so!
Star Wars: Nah it’ll be fine!
If the 1st, 2nd, 7th, and 211th priorities aren’t “make a good product to make money” then that product will eventually fail. Movies, comics, games, food, automobiles, and anything else.
Been saying this for years. They hired the tumblr users and fanfiction writers. These people had portfolios full of absolute shit ready to go when it came time enter the job market.
They have made the same mistake that Archie Comics did when they hired Ken Penders (which is a few steps removed from hiring Chris Chan).
Now they say "this isnt for you" then who is it for? Themselves.
I think it came to the point with Disney especially where they felt like they could hire anyone and make anything and it would get $1b at the box office, you started to see that with Marvel movies where they would hire a director with like 1 minor movie to their credit even back in 2017/2018 when Marvel movies were guarenteed hits. Looks like that practice has finally caught up with them
The Critical Doggo once again shows why he's the MVP and the glue holding the whole show together.
It's going to get worse if they just start hiring people not in the writer's guild to get around the strike.
And i hope they do
It is not just the writers but the producers that are given the power of an executive producer, instead of doing what the director/showrunner tell them. These people are actually doing most of the damage at Disney, and I assume elsewhere.
glad you guys could get Chato on, there is a revolution brewing in entertainment and your input and discussion is of tremendous value in the fight for all of us to one day get back the kind of stories and fables we need to have in our lives
I have to agree with both CD and Chato concering the motivations of modern writers.
As mentioned by another poster all Gen Z's are activists to a degree and some are genuine fans of source material they are writing for and others just want their ideas and politics in them.
Both however have no life experiences and aren't good at writing.
I had recently read a book called Ask the dust by John Fante. It is a semi autobiographical story about his years in poverty when moving to California. It's a great story and a great example of somebody who has lived life and used that experience as a source for their writing.
Could one of these modern writers be able to come up with such a book?
Not all of them are Gen Z, some are millennials and even the later end of Gen X
If you think writing is bad now, wait till "AI" controls the industry!
Academy of Art University is what you're looking for, which I attended, so Nerdrotic is 100% correct. I ended up leaving that school/university to attend Art Center in Pasadena/LA for that very reason he mentions.
I do think that a lot of writers seem to have no talent. That seems like a correct conclusion.
No talent or the lack of the knowledge of the traditions of storytelling?
I agree that a lot of these activists actually “like” the IPs they’re working on, or maybe what they like is the concept or the idea behind the IP itself but not in the form it was presented to them before they got their hands of it. So they might like the IPs on a superficial level, but they either tend to completely miss the point or have a warped view on what the IP itself actually is or should be. So in their minds they might be fans, but they’re actually vandals to most.
yeah its just their take on it because they're jealous that someone else came up with an idea they wished they had.
"So they might like the IPs on a superficial level" correct! These activists are shallow, it is all trivial and personalized politics and feefees with them.
Back in the early 2000’s I noticed that the executives of Sony Online Entertainment were putting younger fans of EverQuest in charge of design and content once the original creator was ousted from the company - I told the president at the time that it was a very bad idea.
Fans have the creative freedom to generate all the fan art & fiction they wish, but most of that is not what the the core of the original design was all about - in the fans FANTASY of what THEY want it to be,
Some of those most disgruntled fans went to make World of Warcraft so I guess it works out sometimes.
Who knew, that hiring people basing not on their skills but on quota(activism) can strike you back, if you making business?! - History(failures or success, whatever). I guess.)
Ironically writing a story you would like, Normally would be a good thing. Problem is none of these people put in the work to make sure that what they like sings to someone else.
It's pretty clear the audience feels less represented than ever
Call Me Chato is indeed correct with his rebuttal to MauLer when it comes to the money aspect with activist writers. They don't care about the money. They just want to have an underlying message to share to others that they themselves came to the conclusion of. They want to send a message because they believe that is important to them and the egos of the writers will not stand for anything to get in the way of this. I know this because a lot of indie game developers, who don't post games to Steam, have been trying to make extremely "progressive" games for the last 3 years to combat the late 2000's gaming industry. These same developers keep telling people that it isn't about the money but rather the game itself with its elements and message. To them, just selling 1000 copies is considered a win and anyone who says otherwise is a salty bigot. The real truth is that 1000 copies just only shows how far and few between their base is, just merely a pebble in a vast ocean.
Keep on nailing it, bringing the new insights and those background stories. You experts teaming up together is the best thing.
Yellow flash's decription of Luffy as a "Lovable idiot" is what finally pushed me over the edge to give the first episode a try. And after ascetining that Alvida wasn't a gender swapped character It was just a constant grin on my face whilst watching. Absolutely loved the show and will definitely be finishing the season. Can't belive netflix made something good again, first extraction 1 and then this?? color me shocked
It helped the original creator of "One Piece" had creative control over the show, and would make them rewrite and reshoot scenes that didn't meet his approval.
Luffy is awesome. His whole character is about being happy and confident no matter what. And he's beyond nice, he has this superpower but he doesn't use it for his selfish desires, he protects his friends. It's so simple, but it is so awesome cuz we all want a friend like Luffy.
One peice is also the only show on tv where men and boys are just friends with each other
People still watch that whiner's videos, lol?
@@BillPeschel Gosh, if only those making such things had listened to the warnings given out for years about getting the original creator to have veto, because your using what they made that sells.
I just binge-watched One Piece yesterday... finally found it on Netflix. Damn, that show is seriously GOOD! I'm completely into it, and I can't wait until the next season starts! For the first time in a very long time, I found myself smiling and laughing and cheering for the characters instead of rolling my eyes at the shoe-horned Hollywood BS that we usually get from Netflix.
But... I'm cautious. There have been some fantastic beginnings to shows, only for it to wildly change in the second or third season into THE MESSAGE... or just get cancelled altogether, like with Firefly. It's happened so often, I'm actually cringing and dreading the moment when... not if, when... it happens to One Piece. Let's hope the creator of the original retains creative control, because the second he doesn't... the show will turn to shit. Guaranteed.
Cross your fingers and pray, folks.
Exactly. It'll be the old bait and switch manoeuvre as usual. Get the fans juiced with something decent, then next season take a hard left turn into activism and 'subversion'.
if the rumors about the original creator, oda-san involved in the project till the last episode, im not surprised that the quality wont falter
I feel like this happened with Starfield. The amount of gay couples I’ve found in the galaxy makes me wonder how we hit replacement rates at all.
Hearing that these blue haired people are fans with terrible ideas is a fair assessment. Makes me reassess my views on them: they may be fans, but they're a super minority that likely annoy the mainstream fans.
Brilliant anime called Black Butler about a 13yo boy and his obedient demon. The story was beautiful, frightening, funny, intricate and full of fanservice. They made a movie out of it with a girl lead, and it flopped magnificently because the dynamic between the two leads wasn't there.
They should hire fans no matter there skill levels and talent not people who do not care about the property but have no idea what there doing.
As a writer as a hobby, so many of my reviewers say that I am a great writer, nice ideas. I've now published 2 books.
Now, they are flops, only 400 of each sold, but marketing costs serious 100k to even GET REALLY NOTICED in an industry where nowadays anyone can get published.
Shameless plug: A Siren's Call by Tim B Wolfe. That's mine. Read it and tell me honest. Love it, flame it, troll it
If you want things to change you need to support things that go against the message. One of the very few comic books that has done that lately is called “Dinosaur Warrior” by Markosia.
I went to the Academy of Art University in SF…and Nerdrodic speaks the truth. I was fortunate, I used my GI bill and I met som really great teachers. But if I’m hindsight it was mostly a waste. If you’re an aspiring artist. Seek out online courses and videos, or even better a mentorship/apprenticeship. You’ll save a lot of time and money
5:44 Critical Doggo dreaming of adventure.
What they're describing sounds more like narcissism. Activism Narcissism.
I love the episodes with Chato, he knows his sh*t and fits in well with the panels. Would love to see him a regular.
They were fans, but the activism and self insertion came first, second and third.
I vaguely remember soon after last jedi came out a college buddy of mine had a fan theory about Rey being Palpatine daughter or related to him is some way cause of how she fights with a lightsaber.
I said something like "that just sounds ridiculous, theres no way theyd do that" 😳
Smokey is the sleepiest dog ever i love it
"Hiring activists instead of writers", and that is the reason why I've stopped watching movies and TV shows.
Whenever they say they want to tell our stories or my stories, then you immediately know that there is a problem. I keep seeing that come up when they trash an IP and talk about how they need to tell their stories and it is always garbage.
They've gone way beyond activism into agitation.
lol for real, though. When did Hollywood go from edgy, but still politically 'neutral' to straight up leftist Agitprop?
@@jackinthebox301 For me, The Force Awakens kind of opened my eyes. When I saw it I was disturbed because I was confused. More than confused... I was befuddled. I was full of befuddlement. But I eventually figured it out and took the red pill... here we are 8 years later...
@@Finn_MacCool Honestly, the timing is probably about right. That was when KK posed for that stupid 'The Force is Female' pic. At that point the fix was in, we just didn't see its full effects for another few years.
Jessica Gao, "Head Writer" of She-Hulk, who went out of her way to destroy the She-Hulk character. Who went out of her way to insult fans. And, who went way out her way to excuse and defend her (and her all female writing staff) terrible script writing.
Amen! These people are all activists. Getting “the message” and their ideology out trumps everything else: characters, plot, story. They’ve been taught by their professors that the corporations they work for hoard all the money and they think they can continue doing this and there will be no repercussions. Well the bill is now due. The investors wanted their money back. They don’t care if the movie bombed. They don’t care if the movie has a 100% ESG score and the corporations had to cover their investments. Now Disney is on the verge of bankruptcy. They have no cash. They haven’t had a single profitable movie in 2 years and these writers have the audacity to strike and ask for even more money after they have failed so spectacularly!
Chato's argument reminds me of 'Mary Sue', and I mean that in reference to the OG Mary Sue of Star Trek fan fiction fame. Activists can be fans as well, they just happen to be raging narcissists & megalomaniacs at the same time. TLDR; they just don't play nice with others.
Dang, Chato, I have to agree. I am a publisher and I get those people quite a lot at cons. I think it's definitely both like Drinker said.
“Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”
The tumbler art apprentices have all come to fruition and they suck dog toes in creativity.
But pride wont let them
Critical doggo does all the heavy lifting on this channel
Out of the corner of my eye, the angle on Smokey makes him look like an AT-AT laying on it's side.