Is Isaiah 53 about the nation of Israel or Jesus?
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- R. L. Solberg systematically dismantles the popular list of "12 Reasons Isaiah 53 Could Not Be About Jesus." Also discussed: Why this chapter is often called the "forbidden chapter" and is not read in Jewish synagogue services.
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1. "Yeshua" is the Hebrew name for Jesus; it means "salvation."
2. The Tanakah is the Hebrew name for the Hebrew Bible, or what Christians call the Old Testament.
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Isaiah clearly identifies who is the servant, numerous times. Just read it in context
This is a dagger in the flesh of all christians🥲
Because of Isaiah 53 I came to fully believe the Jesus is the Messiah the Son of the Living God! Isaiah 53 is the glue that brings the Old Testament and New Testament together!
Bless you, William!
Ever wondered why Jesus never answered herod remember john the baptist rebuked herod for having his brothers wife and herod did many things for john he listened to him and liked him but wouldn't change his ways then he was sad when herodias asked for johns head and had him beheaded John was known as the VOICE Jesus is known as the WORD when herod silenced the VOICE the WORD had nothing to say to him now thats a thought indeed.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
So bro you are easily deceived.
@@davidbradberry7637 I spent a long time searching for the Truth and I know Now! That Jesus Christ is Lord and the Son of God! So a little comment of "bro you are easily deceived" means nothing compared to God's Truth! @davidbradberry7637 I pray that you fine the Truth because you spending eternity in hell is not good! I wouldn't won't my worst enemy to go there!
Another awesome Spirit filled teaching. 🙏🏻🕊 Thank you Rob, my dear brother in Christ Jesus / Yeshua! 🤗
Thanks, Christina. Happy New Year!
I loved the very last sentence you said about seeing it for yourself. A very good indicator of someone telling the truth.
Thank you, Katerina!
A very logical approach to the list of reasons. I liked it. Especially your response to reason #3.
Glad you enjoyed it!
R. Solberg, great work!
Quick unrelated question(s): you have lots of instruments there. What kind of music are you into? Do you compose? & where can we find your music?
Hey, Julius! Thanks for asking. Yes, I'm a "recovering professional musician." My wife (who is an incredible singer!) and I still play, but mostly as a ministry at prisons, homeless shelters, and recovery centers.
You can find my compositions on SoundCloud: soundcloud.com/roso_music
Our band website is at: www.dustanddaisies.com/
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you. Haven't listened to the music yet but really wanted to say how much I'm loving your ministry. Praying for you and your wife.
I so appreciate your studies!
Great critique
God bless you
My dear brother in CHRIST, first of all I thank the Lord GOD ALMIGHTY for giving you wisdom and knowledge to feed us with HIS HEAVENLY MANER PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OBEDIENCE LOTS OF LOVE,, FROM A SISTER IN CHRIST
Thank you, Maria!
If you really believe that Jesus is the Eternal One you really need to repent of your idolatry.
Baruch HaShem
@@davidbradberry7637 Do you believe in the Holy Spirit? There are at least 84 references to the Holy Spirit in the OT. Tenach. Has the Holy Spirit been given? When was the Holy Spirit given?
Before Jesus, or after Him?
Thank you for explaining for us ☺️💜😊
I and I'm sure many others would LOVE IT if you have a live discussion or any kind of video discussion with tovia singer.
I think this is the discussion & debate you had hoped for: vid title: "Powerful Nashville Debate! Is Jesus the Jewish Messiah? Rabbi Tovia Singer vs. Prof. R.L. Solberg" (Found at ch. Tovia Singer)
Maybe you will come back and comment after viewing it. I'd be curious to know what your thoughts are.
Isaiah mentions the servant all the way through his prophecies and the servant is Israel, so why would he change that in 53, he would have called him the son of God, Jesus did things in secret God does not, and the prophets speak the words of God.
"my righteous (?) servant will justify many", Really? " and he will bear their iniquities". I hope so! Verse 11.
@@missasinenomine Israel has been bearing the iniquities, of the church for 2000 years, but now I believe that this is the time that Ezekiel 38-39. talks about in his prophecy, and Zechariah 8:22-23.
22 And many peoples and powerful nations shall come to entreat the Lord of Hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.
23 So said the Lord of Hosts: In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the skirt of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."
Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass on that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come upon Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.
This is God speaking not Jesus, Paul or John.
Are you able to give me the sages and rabbis who taught that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah? Was trying to research this topic, and those would definitely help. Thanks!
Hey, SakeTeas! Thanks for watching. You can check out the Babylonian Talmud. For example, Sanhedrin 98b speculates about the undisclosed name of the unrevealed Jewish Messiah to come in Isa 53. There's also the exegetical Midrash Ruth Rabbah, which associates Ruth's kindness with the Messiah of Isaiah 53:5. You might also check out the Zohar. In Volume III, Isaiah 53:5 is applied to Mashiach ben Yosef. And in Soncino Zohar (Exodus/Shemot section) there is a discussion of the Mashiach as well. I find it slow-going to research because rabbinic exegesis goes so deep beyond the mere literal sense, and I am a mere Gentile. :-) It's like finding your way through a thick forest of thoughts and ideas!
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you! Are these written before or after the time of Christ? So far I've checked the Babylonian Talmud, and it says it was written and compiled around the 4th Century AD. Just checked the Midrash Ruth Rabbah as well, and it says it was compiled in the 5th century AD.
Excellent! Thank you.
Such great defense of our Lord. Thank you
Great job Rob. Not only quality content and a wonderful learning experience (you taught me a lot), your production quality is ON POINT!
Thanks, Jason! I appreciate your kind feedback. Thanks for watching.
Thanks, this helps.
Jesus Christ is the Subject of Isaiah 53.
The second half of Isaiah portrays Israel as the failed Servant of Jehovah. Some of the harshest criticisms of Israel's wickedness in the Bible is found in Isaiah. Against that, is another Servant Who is righteous enough to bear the sins of the world.He is called Israel, and yet is seen as being distinct from Israel, and alongside Israel. His worldwide effect is marked by being the light of the Gentiles, bringing Jehovah's salvation to the ends of the world, bringing many to righteousness, bringing healing to the nations, being an astonishment to the Gentiles for His suffering for our sins.
This is describing, not the general righteous of Israel, but One, the most righteous of Israel, King Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. None of these worldwide effects can be attributed to the general righteous of Israel. Yet they happened, and are still happening. Jesus healed me, and is healing me of my wickedness to this day. He has and is healing millions around the world.
Well said, Mike!
@@TheBiblicalRoots The fulfillment of the Gentile's salvation meta message in deutero Isaiah mitigates the the objections of Rabbinical Jews to near pettiness, especially in the light of the Servant (Who is seen as other than Israel in 42 and 49,) being the salvation to the nations in 49, and Messiah being that salvation in 55.
Love these videos. Great. God bless you 🙏 ❤️
Jesus sweat blood... That's suffering
I both like Solberg and Tovia Singer , but the linking Jesus failed prophesy as in Matthew, Mark and Luke with the Transfiguration I just could not apprehend it????
I appreciate you have the courage to discuss most xtians dont.
In my experience I haven’t seen anyone avoiding Isaiah 53. Rob is referring to the haftorah readings in the synagogue. These are sections of the books of the prophets that are included in the weekly synagogue services. They have been around for centuries before Jesus and long before Christianity was conjured up. We see evidence of their existence from multiple sources from Ezra, the ancient rabbinical court system, the Dead Sea scrolls and even a statement in the Christian book of acts where the Law and the prophets were read. In none of these ancient documents do we find Isaiah 53. It wasn’t removed or skipped in the tradition. It simply never was included. The Dead Sea scrolls lists the Isaiah verses in the same order we read them today.
Furthermore Christians point to the “Evil” rabbis with their “man made” Talmud laws only when it suits them. If you don’t believe them and doubt their authority from God, why use them as proof? If they’re wrong about everything else,why believe them?
We believe the entire book of Isaiah is referring to Israel and in context it’s being written during the Babylonian exile . More specifically it is most likely pointing to the prophets of Israel who clearly were persecuted and killed for trying to get disobedient Israel to once again follow the Laws of god.
Any futuristic mystical interpretation is secondary to the direct historical context.
If you want to call Jesus a prophet who suffered at the hands of gentile people, their kings and their doctrines, then he too may be included in the interpretation. However, it by no means is exclusive to Jesus and in no way pointing to an eternal man savior who will bring us to supernatural heaven.
oh my friend, i pray that Jesus Christ removes the scales from your eyes and allows you to see!
@@hopelessnostalgic8444 Hey I’m human. I’m sure there are some scales here and there. Did you see scales in my comment? What are the scales anyway?
very good arguments thanks
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Great stuff
Fascinating
Thanks, Arthur!
So who was there taking notes while Jesus met with pilot?
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Thanks, mauri man!
@R.L.Solberg, Please let me clarify a matter with Romans 11:11.
Romans 11:11, I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God
forbid, but rather through their fall (trespass) salvation is come unto the
Gentiles for to provoke them to jealous.
As presented, the sentence in Romans 11:11 appears as if the whole nation fail.
Strong's Concordance numbered the first
fall (g4098) and second fall or trespass
(g3900). Paul made an agruement against false theology in Romans 1, verse 5 and 7 and yet verse 11 plunges
us into a false Replacement theology of
Israel having lost their Covenant with God or ownership to the land or any of the blessings promised. Yet they're home.
A Greek Interliner bible app points out the
orginal language when you match the app against any English translation.
Jeremiah 33:24-26 is a prophecy that makes it plain that God is not a Covenant breaker.
My point is, you have to check your translations against the original texts
God bless!!!
Thanks, Willie!
God bless you!
Thank you, Ante!
Great video Rob. We love what you are doing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, guys, You rock!
If the nation of Israel is suffering servant in Isaiah 53 who are "we" and "God's people" in Isaiah 53,whose iniquities God laid on the suffering servant.Who wrote Isaiah ? Was it someone else than Isaiah ? Because Isaiah was himself an Israelite;Obviously, some Heathen/Gentile/non-Jew must have written Isaiah 53.
If the suffering servant is the nation of Israel it couldn't be God's people and if the nation of Israel is God's people it couldn't be the suffering servant.Accordingly Isaiah 53 the suffering servant and God's people are two not one.
As Jews claim that in Isaiah 53 the servant servant is the nation of Israel then Heathen/Gentile nations are God's people and not the nation of Israel/Jews.
Why does it have to be either/or? I think it's both.
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What?! Thanks for the heads up. We'll check it out.
Rob
Thank you!!! I have been so frustrated with the lack of information regarding this topic. The block for me is not understanding Hebrew or Greek. Thank you so much for posting this
Thanks, Tausha! Glad you found it helpful.
@@TheBiblicalRoots 🙏 so valuable!
I have a Jewish friend who shared that they are taught the Messiah is a man, not God. She doesn’t believe in the Son even with references to Him in the OT. How do I respond to this?
Well, God said he's not a man. There is no concept of the messiah being God himself in the Tanakh. That makes no sense. What you think are references in the OT is a result of mistranslations and taking things out of context. Want an example?
- The author of the gospel of Matthew turned a young woman (Hebrew: alma) into a virgin (greek: parthenos). The original text has nothing to do with a virgin.
- THE young woman (definite article in Hebrew) became "a" (indefinite). It was a specific woman, known at the time, namely the wife of Isaiah.
- She (the mother) will call him Immanuel became "they will call him".
=> Matthew twisted basically every word of the verse. Then he completely ignores the context. Because the child was a sign for King Ahaz, 700 years before Jesus! Ahaz was too stuborn to listen to Isaiah. The child should witness the destruction of the 2 kings who threatened Ahaz if you just read 2 more after:
"For, when the boy does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."
This has nothing to do with Jesus at all. It's not a distant future event many hundred years later. It's a contemporary event. Do you see the problem being so dishonest about the Hebrew text, just to smuggle in your precious Jesus?
What is sad is that it is not understood that He left as a 'spirit' and will return in the same way... blessed is 'he' who comes in the 'name' of the Lord, so as to say, 'in service of' and thus in service to the 'many'. Our 'Kingdom' that we seek is a choice... yet we fight over doctrine. 😔
Im A Catholic this videos are fits in my Theology but not compromising my Catholic beliefs
Good job from Philippines
Thank you, Edward. Blessings! Rob
Thanks. God bless you Rob
Thank you for watching, Enola! God bless you, too.
The pleasure is mine.
Thank you. This excellent apologetics. I pray when the time comes I can calmly and lovingly share these truths. God bless.
Thanks for watching, Anthony!
Bravo so so well done
Thanks so much for watching!
This is shocking. He constantly says in his video. Whoever wrote it. He refers to the gospel. He don't know who wrote the gospel. Or at least he admit that the gospel is written anonymously!
I do have a request , it's a little different but if possible in the future if you could maybe have a lesson on demon possession vs demon oppression and how Christians who deal with this should biblically handle the situation , unfortunately this happens and if I could more personally explain this some place else , I know it can be hard dealing with this and I've known people who deal with this and continue and unfortunately I'm one of them but all for my good and for God's glory
Hi, Johnny. Thanks for your request. That is a fascinating topic but it is outside my area of expertise. I would refer you to Dr. Michael Heiser. He has put out a great deal of material on that topic.
Blessings!
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you
Thanks Rob! A great video that logically and kindly explains the truth of scripture. I always enjoy your videos - please keep them coming!
Thanks, Riley!
Good arguments about Isaiah 53 and a
need to learn basic language of Hebrew.
Thanks, Willie!
@R.L Solberg, yes, it's better to learn that
English is not the key to Hebrew or Greek
I have a small Interliner Hebrew and Greek bible apps which helps a great deal.
If In Isaiah 53 the suffering servant is Israel, why it didn't said so like in the previous chapters?
Did they forget writing it?
did they had not enough ink?
Is God so poor that He has only Israel as His servant?
Well, that is the tricky thing about prophetic literature! It's full of symbolism and figurative language and, thus, cannot be read literally like a historical narrative. Throughout the book of Isaiah, the referent for the Suffering Servant changes: in some passages it refers to the nation of Israel, and in other passages, like in Isaiah 53, it refers to the Messiah. He keeps is on our toes!
@@TheBiblicalRoots Actually in no chapter does it refer to the messiah.
In this verse, Israel is described elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible as being
despised:
Isaiah 49:7 - Thus said the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to him who is despised of men, to him who is abhorred by nations, to him who is a slave of rulers, …
Nehemiah 3:36 - Hearken, our God, for we have been despised, and return their
reproach upon their head, and make them despised in a land of captivity.
Israel is also described as being forsaken:
Isaiah 60:15 - Instead of your being forsaken and hated without a passerby, I will make you an everlasting pride, the joy of every generation. Israel is described as being afflicted, with the adversities often likened to injuries
and diseases:
Isaiah 1:5-6 - (5) Why are you beaten when you continue to rebel? Every head is
[afflicted] with illness and every heart with malaise. (6) From the sole of the foot to the head, nothing in him is whole; only wounds and contusions and fresh sores; they have not been treated, and they have not been bandaged, and [the wound] has not been softened with oil.
Jeremiah 10:19 - Woe is to me for my hurt; my wound is acute, and I said [to myself], "This is but an illness, I will bear it"
NOW CAN YOU PAGANS POST WHERE ISAIAH ACTUALLY SAYS THE WORD MESSIAH AND ABOUT HIS DESPISEMENT AND SUFFERING YOU CANT? SO HOW ARE THE JEWS BEFORE YOUR DEAD ROMAN MAN god CAME SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO THE SUFFERING SERVANT IS. IF THEY DIDNT KNOW WHY DIDNT THEY ASK ISAIAH AND HE WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM IT IS YOUR DEAD god AND NOW WE WOULD BE WORSHIPING YOUR god BUT ISAIAH NEVER WRITES THIS
He is the Word of God (which is God Himself), Who became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1) I WONDER WHY
@@NITEMARESDEN
And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:9
Are you claiming then that Israel did not commit any Violence and Deceit?
It did oh roman pagan the verse before Isaiah 53:13 is this
12 For ye shall not go out in haste, neither shall ye go by flight; for the LORD will go before you, and the God of Israel will be your rearward.
The last noun that Isaiah mentions in the book of Isaiah is Israel so it did not have to repeat Israel is the servant we are talking about Israel
Like this
Isaiah Chapter 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to him who is despised of men, to him who is abhorred of nations, to a servant of rulers: kings shall see and arise, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves; because of the LORD that is faithful, even the Holy One of Israel, who hath chosen thee.
Most xtians read as the one despised is their god however you go to the last noun mentioned and that is Israel so it is Israel despised
An excellent job interpreting Isaiah, as you said a very difficult job and confusing. Isaiah at times refers to Israel as a nation and at others to the Messiah. Peace be with you!
Thanks, Brent!
if you translating this for israel.but thebible talks about single person and sheepherd who will come to redeem. verses say "we" did this "we" did that we did ..so on. so which person nation the word we represents ? is it about gentile? absolutly not, so you are saying that the israel as nation will do it by israeli????
Micah Chapter 5 :1 But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, FROM ANCIENT DAYS.
Xtian translation
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.
א וְאַתָּה בֵּית-לֶחֶם אֶפְרָתָה, צָעִיר לִהְיוֹת בְּאַלְפֵי יְהוּדָה--מִמְּךָ לִי יֵצֵא, לִהְיוֹת מוֹשֵׁל בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל; וּמוֹצָאֹתָיו מִקֶּדֶם, מִימֵי עוֹלָם.
מִימֵי עוֹלָם is translated from days of old the origins of the Messiah was to come days of old a long time ago. We see here xtian translation says from everlasting to reflect their false god. I posted a verse a few lines down where the Hebrew says ancient days like here and the xtians translate it correctly there anyone knows why here they didn’t.
I want to show you something spectacular here.
Jewish translation
ה וְהוּא מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ, מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲוֺנֹתֵינוּ; מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו, וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא-לָנוּ. Isaiah Chapter 53:5 But he was wounded BECAUSE of our transgressions, he was crushed BECAUSE of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.
Xtian translation
Isaiah 53 King James Version 5 But he was wounded FOR our transgressions, he was bruised FOR our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
מ this letter is a preposition and means from or because not for. You see in Mica they translate it the correct way FROM In Isaiah 53 they change it to FOR
Here are the differences.
www.doitinhebrew.com/Translate/default.aspx?kb=IL+Hebrew+Phonetic&l1=iw&l2=en&txt=
from מן
HE DIED BECAUSE SOME ONE SHOT HIM. -------- THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IN THE JEWISH HEBREW BIBLE SO NO ONE WHO READS THIS WILL SAY IT IS THEIR PAGAN god CAUSE THEIR god DIED FOR THE SINS NOT BECAUSE.
HE DIED FROM THE SHOT HE RECEIVED---- FROM IS THE SAME AS BECAUSE.
HE DIED FOR THE ONE THAT SHOT HIM. THIS IS THE PAGANS LYING WHAT ISAIAH SAYS TO PROMOTE THEIR ROMAN PAGAN god.
HE WAS WOUNDED FROM OUR SINS
HE WAS WOUNDED BECAUSE OF OUR SINS
HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR SINS.
The question is why Isaiah did not write FOR if it is true what they claim the prophets speak about their pagan god. So, we see the cult of xtianity is all a lie.
Does anyone notice in all the times besides Isaiah 53 when it seems to be talking about a Messiah it never mentions he will die for your sins.
out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler WHO WILL DIE FOR THE SINS OF MY PAGANS. NOPE NO SUCH VERSE.
The prophet is not speaking to a piece of land he is prophesying about a person. No where does it mention anything about someone being born. He is speaking about King David who from his progeny will be the Messiah. Also, it says ancient days not everlasting or whatever they change it to fit their pagan god.
Isaiah 63 King James Version 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
ט בְּכָל-צָרָתָם לא (לוֹ) צָר, וּמַלְאַךְ פָּנָיו הוֹשִׁיעָם--בְּאַהֲבָתוֹ וּבְחֶמְלָתוֹ, הוּא גְאָלָם; וַיְנַטְּלֵם וַיְנַשְּׂאֵם, כָּל-יְמֵי עוֹלָם.
1Samuel 16:1,6-12 - (1) And the Lord said to Samuel, "Until when are you
mourning for Saul, when I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Fill your
horn with oil, and come, I shall send you to Jesse, the Bethlehemite, for I have
seen for Myself a king among his sons."
(6) And it was, that when they came, and he saw Eliab, that he said, "Surely, before
the Lord is His anointed." (7) And the Lord said to Samuel, "Look not upon his
appearance, or the height of his stature, for I have rejected him, for it is not as man
sees, [that which is visible] to the eyes, while the Lord sees into the heart." (8) And
Jesse called to Abinadab, and he presented him before Samuel, and he said,
"Neither has the Lord chosen this one." (9) And Jesse presented Shammah, and he
said, "Neither has the Lord chosen this one." (10) And Jesse presented seven of
his sons before Samuel; and Samuel said to Jesse, "The Lord has not chosen
these."
(11) And Samuel said to Jesse, "Are these all the young men?" And he
said, "The youngest still remains, and behold, he is tending the sheep." And
Samuel said to Jesse, "Send and bring him, for we shall not sit down until he
comes here." (12) And he sent and brought him, and he was ruddy, with beautiful
eyes, and handsome appearance. And the Lord said, "Arise, anoint him, for this is
he."
Eventually, the aging King David was visited by the Prophet Nathan who
conveyed to him God’s promise of an everlasting dynasty, of which he was to
be the progenitor, a dynasty that will eventually produce the Messiah
2Samuel 7:12-16 - (12) When your days are fulfilled, and you shall lie with your
forefathers, then I will raise up your seed that shall issue from your body after you,
and I will establish his kingdom. (NOTICE AGAIN IT DOES NOT SAY HE SHALL DIE FOR YOUR SINS) (13) He shall build a house for My Name, and I will
establish the throne of his kingdom forever. (14) I will be to him a father, and he
shall be to Me a son; so that when he goes astray I will chasten him with the rod of
men, and with afflictions of human beings. (15) And My mercy shall not depart
from him; in the manner in which I withdrew it from Saul, whom I removed from
before you. (16) And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever
before you; your throne shall be established forever.
Defending biblical root of Christianity can you please do a video on the exodus Project, this is a Jewish CZcams channel who believes they found the real God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and claimed that Christianity is not the truth and claimed that Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus
Wouldn't the be good news? No hell to worry about?
The scripture can be read over and over in black and white print...An never understood complete...
When God's presence in Spirit comes upon you and lives in you...the black and white print...becomes active and living in you and understanding of scriptures because of God's Spirit to open your eyes and you live in God, through Jesus Christ..
The Hebrew word mashiach is nowhere to be found in Isaiah 53. Real Jews are not afraid of Isaiah 53, nor is it a "forbidden chapter".
In Luke 24:44-47 Jesus made some bold claims about opening he disciples minds to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures (the tenakh). No where n the so-called Gospels do their supposed authors tell anyone anything about how those supposed passages reveal the identity of the mashiach and how they were fulfilled in their Jesus guru. Those passages simply do not exist.
Example: What passage in the Tenakh plainly says "the anointed one will die for the sins of the world and will rise from dead"?
Of course no one knows for certain who actually wrote MML and J.
1 Corinthians 11:14 - "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him"
Hi, Ron. If you knew me back in the days when I played in a metal band, you’d say my hair is short today! It’s all relative. The roles of men and women have not changed, but the way we indicate those roles changes with each culture. In 1 Cor. 11:3-15, Paul is not trying to establish legalistic standards of hair length for men. I mean, when someone took a Nazirite vow and devoted themselves wholly to Yahweh, God required that they do not cut their hair at all! "During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head...they must let their hair grow long" (Num. 6:5-6).
So 1 Cor. 11 says Christians should adhere to the culturally accepted indicators of gender; men should look like men, and women should look like women. God created those two genders for a reason. And the primary issue in that passage is headship and authority and our willingness to each walk in submission to God and His ordained order. And if it makes you feel better, if there ever comes a time when people start mistaking me for a woman, I'll think about cutting my hair short!
Blessings, Rob
God bless you brother, enjoyed your video. May God continue to give you wisdom from his word. And bless your ministry.
Thank you, Harris!
@@TheBiblicalRoots Don't stop making those videos, as a Apologist myself you do not know how many lives need to hear those words of truth, which there synagogues or churches do not say or do not have a answer for them.
@@mrkakoulides Thank you so much for the encouragement, Harris!
Amazing and great explanations. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it, Alex. Thank you!
Who are you? Why is there another sevent for God? Who is Jesus? What relation with word for him?
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The roman pagan claimed that there is two comings of a Messiah and the Rabbi did not address it. Actually, the Rabbi addressed it very well. There is a verse in Daniel that says that some one comes to the Ancient of days and is given dominion over all the peoples. It mentions nothing about a Messiah etc.
Daniel Chapter 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the Ancient of days, and he was brought near before Him 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
We look at other places like in Isaiah where it says that there is some sort of kingship Isaiah Chapter 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isaiah Chapter 11:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the root of Jesse, that standeth for an ensign of the peoples, unto him shall the nations seek; and his resting-place shall be glorious. Thank you 12 And He will set up an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the dispersed of Israel, and gather together the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Then we have in Micah a sort of kingship Micah Chapter 4:1 But in the end of days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow unto it. 3 And He shall judge between many peoples, and shall DECIDE CONCERNING MIGHTY NATIONS afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Then we Have in Zechariah where it says that there will be a king and he will rule over the whole earth. Zechariah Chapter 99 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, thy king cometh unto thee, he is triumphant, and victorious, lowly, and riding upon an ass, even upon a colt the foal of an ass. 10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off, and he shall speak peace unto the nations; and his dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth.
So Daniel must be talking about the same person that Zechariah is talking about. This person was termed The Messiah by the Rabbis which the roman pagans call their roman pagan messiah.
Notice that prophets repeat that the Messiah will be king and rule the world but no other prophet besides Isaiah talks about their dead roman pagan god dying for anyones sins.
Anyways what the Rabbi was saying is no matter if the Messiah comes with the clouds or on an ass, he will rule the world. So, it does not matter how many times he comes, each time he has to rule the world. This roman pagans god or messiah did not rule anything. A delusional kingdom of heaven is not what the prophets had in mind when they said he would rule the earth.
However, if you read Daniel 7 nowhere does it say that the Messiah is coming with the clouds to earth it says in a vision someone saw this person come with the clouds of heaven to ancient of days, not to the earth. So xtians are making a lying claim when they say it says the Messiah is supposed to come with the clouds.
I wrote a refutation that no one who reads Isaiah 53 would believe it is his mashiach let him refute that.
Your videos are great! How do you not have more subscribers!!?!?
Thanks, Mitchell! We're getting there slowly. Feel free to "like" and share my videos, those kinds of things help this channel grow. Blessings, Rob
Both have same meaning
So reason 5 ans is not satisfying,Jesus did cried on the cross and also reason 10,11,12 is not satisfying too. Interpretation really changes everything.... Why can He just prove himself "nicely" and save his creation.
Messiah was supposed to be the new king, right? So now you say they all thought it would be an ugly man, despised and rejected, beaten, etc.
So all of Judiasm was Christian all along? Then why didn't they accept him if that's exactly what they were expecting? Even the disciples weren't expecting he would die. How could that be if all the sages new this would happen? Didn't any of the apostles know Judiaism?
Amen.
As Maria said , thank you I'm absolutely grateful and LORD willing I'll continue to watch and learn , Brother you should have a Bible study although these lessons kinda are . I really enjoy learning I hope to keep it in my head lol 🤭 as I continue practicing Christ's righteousness, praise God ☺️
This is wonderful! Thank you!!
It appears your friend, or the person who made the list of refutations, does not know the New Testament at all. They only have basic knowledge of certain events but have never read it.
I totally agree, Jason. Thanks for watching!
There’s very few things on this earth that make my heart swell like the testimonies of Jews who have accepted Yeshua as the Messiah.
I’m so glad I discovered your channel. It’s fantastic! God bless.
When Isaiah wrote chapter 53 your satanic book was not invented yet so who do you think the people thought the servant was then.
@@NITEMARESDEN The Jewish rabbis and sages thought the suffering servant referred to the Messiah from the time Isaiah was written up until Jesus came. Then they changed their reading because Isaiah 53 too clearly referred to Jesus specifically, who they were denying. Again, this is all covered in the first two minutes of the video. You should watch it!
@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm telling you that is not the case you can repeat from lying web sites all you like can you read English I know you said it does not make it true Isaiah 53 is in every synagogue in the world so stop repeating your pagan lies that it is forbidden read what I wrote now, please
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Isaiah 53 and the Imam, Rabbi and Pastor
In this interesting video, I hear the Christians say Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus, no one else. I hear the Rabbis say Isaiah 53 is talking about the Nation of Israel, although he says it in rather oblique ways. And I hear the Imam, Muslim, saying there was no crucifixion, that the prophecy of Isaiah 53 was never fulfilled.
Well, let me begin with the Muslim view first. One verse in the Qur'an, Sura 4:157, says there was no killing or crucifixion of the Messiah. However, that verse does not address the meaning of killing and crucifixion. Also, Islamic interpretation of that verse did not take into account the word released by Jesus saying, Fear not those that kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. But fear him who is able to kill both the body and the soul. In other words, there is a killing of the body and soul. And also, there is a killing of the body but not of the soul. Which was the Qur'an talking about?
We can figure which it was talking about when we read the beginning of Surah 4, verse 157. It talks there about those that hated the Messiah saying that they had killed and crucified him. That is its focus. Its focus is not the testimony of the disciples who testified of his crucifixion; its focus is the testimony of those that hated the Messiah who boasted that they had killed and crucified him. When we go back to the New Testament, we find indeed that there were Jews that came back to Pilate to say, give us a watch so that a rumor does not arise that he rose from the dead. They wanted to make sure Jesus was killed dead, so to speak. So the Qur'an was answering them that they did not kill him dead. That is why verse 158 says Allah raised him to himself, in other words, there was a resurrection. Those that hated Jesus were trying to prevent a resurrection, but failed.
Now that contrasts with the testimony of the Qur'an concerning the disciples. Surah 5 verse 111 says that the disciples were "inspired by Allah" to follow the Messiah. In other words, the Quran testifies that they were faithful witnesses. Now, these are the same people that testify that there was a crucifixion. The accounts of the Gospels and the New Testament writings came from them and in their generation. If their account was wrong, the Quran would be focusing on them. It wouldn't be calling their testimony the testimony of inspired disciples. It would be saying that they were wrong. But the Quran doesn't say that they were wrong. The Quran says that those that hated Jesus were wrong. So, clearly the Quran is making a distinction between the death of the body and the death of the soul. And when it says to the Jews that hated Jesus that they killed him not, it is not talking about the death of the body. It is talking about the death of the soul. It is merely repeating what Jesus said himself. Fear not those that kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But fear Yahweh who can kill both the body and the soul. So, that's all the Quran was saying.
Furthermore, what the Quran said in 4:157 is in line with what it says in Surah 2 verse 154. Here he says that those that die in the way of Allah are not really dead. They only appear to be dead. It protests that they are alive.m. And that is precisely what the Quran was saying in Surah 4 verse 157 where it says "it appeared so to them". It appeared to the Jews that hated Jesus that they had killed and crucified him dead. But he is alive. It only appeared so to them. And Judaism argued, as they were doing all the way from the crucifixion to the time Mohammed came, that they had killed the imposter dead.
No, Jesus was not an imposter. Neither did they kill Jesus dead. But Yahweh raised him according to the testimony of the faithful disciples. And the claim of the Quran in the very next verse, verse 158.
So, Islam is wrong in its interpretation of Surah 4, verse 157. But polemics, vain and bitter polemics, have forced it to create a contending narrative to justify its efforts to stand against Christianity. The Quran commands them to believe the earlier revelation that includes the Injil, that it's valid. But the contending doctrine tries to meander through to make the Injil false in its critical elements. So even where the Quran talks about Jesus dying before the resurrection, such as in Surah 3:55 and 19:33, Islamic scholars have laboured to make it read differently, that Jesus is going to come back tomorrow, sometime in the future, and first die, and then rise from the dead. By this stretched but false logic, they try to force sense into Surah 19, verse 33, that says he will die before he is raised, and Surah 3, verse 55, that says he will die before he is raised. So, both verses are in effect cast away by Islamic scholars and made to mean what they don't mean, all in an effort for vain polemics.
So, we'll ignore them for now. In their vain polemics, not only did they rise against the Injil, which, incidentally, is a transliteration of the Latin "Evangelium", from where we get the Arabic "Injil " and English "evangel". For the Hebrew word should have been besorah. Basar is to evangelize. The Arabic should have been besorah, or a word with those consonants. But to emphasize that it was what was being held by the Christians that Mohammed was talking about, the Quran chose to give it the name Injil, rather than the name besorah or basarah.
Not just that, but the testimony of Isaiah, in Isaiah 53, is also discounted by the Islamic scholars. On what basis? It can be understood when Judaism fights against Isaiah 53, because Judaism says the Messiah has not come. But on what basis would the Quran be fighting against Isaiah 53 when it agrees that the Messiah came? If it says it is not Jesus that died in the crucifixion, cut off from the land of the living, according to Isaiah 53, then who does the Quran say Isaiah 53 refers to? The nation of Israel? Has the Quran become Judaistic also? So these Islamic scholars are merely grasping at straws. Nah, we can ignore them, and move on to the main controversy, that between the Jews and the Christians.
Continued in Part 2
Part 2, Continued from above
Now, whenever the Christians focus on Isaiah 53, appearing to separate it from Isaiah 52, they give Judaism a field day to go back to the last three verses of Isaiah 52 to try to make a connection and claim that Isaiah 53 is talking about the nation of Israel as the suffering servant. No, Isaiah 53 is not talking about the nation of Israel as the suffering servant. And to show that, we just need to make the same step that rabbis have made by going back, not just to Isaiah 52, but all the way to Isaiah 42, to show who the servant really is.
The rabbis like to say that whenever Isaiah mentions servant, he is talking about Israel. Well, that is not always true, particularly in relation to the suffering servant. So, we shall now show that Isaiah was talking about this individual servant, beginning from Isaiah 42, and leading up to Isaiah 53. We shall also show the various revealed attributes of this servant. This way, we will show clearly that the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, cannot be the nation of Israel, but must be an individual.
So let's begin. Isaiah 42, verses 6 and 7, talk about a servant that shall be a light to the nations, and a covenant for the people, to bring people out of darkness. It doesn't give him a name here. It doesn't say he's a covenant servant for Israel. It doesn't mention which people he's a covenant for. But when we move on to Isaiah 49, we now find who this servant is.
Isaiah 49, verse 6, says this servant will be a light to the nations, as was the case in Isaiah 42, verse 6. Then when we go to Isaiah 49, verses 8 and 9, we find Isaiah again calling this servant a covenant for the people to bring them out of darkness, as we saw in 42:6-7. So, we're dealing with the same person.
Furthermore, in Isaiah 49, Isaiah expands on the theme of Isaiah 42 in such a way that we have a better idea who the servant of Isaiah 42 is. 49:6 tells us that this servant is being raised to bring back the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved of Israel. This servant must then be an individual, since a nation won't be sent to bring back itself, nor a preserved remnant sent to restore itself.
Again, Isaiah 49:8 also gives an additional reason why the people are given a covenant servant. The reason is also "to make them inherit the desolate heritages". Now, who are the people being made to inherit their desolate heritages? None other than the nation of Israel that have been driven into exile. They are the ones that lost their heritages. They are the ones whose heritages became desolate. And they are the ones that need to inherit their desolate heritages again.
So we find here an individual servant being made a covenant of the people of Israel to make it possible for them to inherit the desolate heritages and to bring them out of darkness.
Now, this servant in Isaiah 49 was clearly given the name "Israel" in 49:3. But, as we pointed out above, he must be an individual, for Israel as a nation cannot be sent to bring back itself. Nor can a remnant be sent to restore itself. So, obviously, we are talking here about a person, notwithstanding the name, "Israel", given to him. And that's a person that is also being made a covenant for the people to make it possible for the plan of the Father in Heaven, of the God of Creation, Yahweh, to be fulfilled, being his plan to bring Israel back to the land and make them a righteous nation.
Now, we may not fully understand what the word covenant means in this context where it is applied to a person. But when we go to Zachariah chapter 9 verse 11, we see a feature of the covenant brought out in a setting where the same ideas expressed in Isaiah chapter 42 and Isaiah chapter 49 exist. That verse in Zachariah says that because of the "blood" of the "covenant", the people shall be brought out of a pit in which there is no water. So, that brings us back to the redeeming servant of Isaiah 42 and 49, but this time "blood" will be required from him. We shall return to this point when we get to Isaiah 53.
Now Isaiah 49:6 speaks of this servant not just being a light to the Gentiles, but also being made by Yahweh to be his salvation to the ends of the earth. This attribute of saviour of the world takes us to Isaiah 52:10 where it is linked to his being the "arm" of Yahweh. So, let's hear Isaiah 52:10:
Isaiah 52:10 Tanakh-1917 The LORD hath made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see The salvation of our God.
So, clearly, this individual, redeemer, covenant for the nation of Israel, Yahweh's salvation to the ends of the earth, is identified as Yahweh's "arm".
Continued in Part 3
Part 3, Continued from above
Isaiah 49:7 also tells us about the relationship of this person to the nation of Israel on one hand, and to the nations of the world, on the other hand. One group it says shall despise and abhor him. The other group it says will exalt and "worship" him. We'll quote the verse in interlinear format.
Isa 49:7 interlinear
כֹּ֣ה koh Thus
אָֽמַר־ 'a·mar- he has said
יְהוָה֩ A·do·Nai (namely) the LORD
גֹּאֵ֨ל go·'El the Redeemer of
יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל Yis·ra·'El Israel
קְדוֹשׁ֗וֹ ke·do·Sho, his Holy One
לִבְזֹה־ liv·zoh- to (one) despised by
נֶ֜פֶשׁ Ne·fesh the soul (of man)
לִמְתָ֤עֵֽב lim·Ta·'ev to (one) abhorred by
גּוֹי֙ goy the nation
לְעֶ֣בֶד le·'E·ved to a servant of
מֹשְׁלִ֔ים mo·she·Lim, rulers
מְלָכִים֙ me·la·Chim Kings
יִרְא֣וּ yir·'U shall see
וָקָ֔מוּ va·Ka·mu, and arise
שָׂרִ֖ים sa·Rim princes (too)
וְיִֽשְׁתַּחֲוּ֑וּ ve·yish·ta·chav·Vu; and they shall worship
לְמַ֤עַן le·Ma·'an because of
יְהוָה֙ A·do·Nai the LORD
אֲשֶׁ֣ר 'a·Sher that
נֶאֱמָ֔ן ne·'e·Man, (is) faithful
קְדֹ֥שׁ ke·Dosh the Holy One of
יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל Yis·ra·'El Israel
וַיִּבְחָרֶֽךָּ׃ vai·yiv·cha·Re·ka. and he shall choose you.
Isaiah 49:7 condensed from the interlinear:
Thus, he has said, (namely) Yahweh, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to (one) despised by man, to (one) abhorred by the nation, to a servant of rulers, "Kings shall see, and arise, princes (too), and they shall worship", because of Yahweh that is faithful, and he shall choose you.
We see above that, firstly, the nation (goy, not goyim) will abhor the individual servant. Then next, kings and princes see, arise and worship him. The one nation that abhors him must then be Israel, while the kings and princes rising before him and worshipping him must represent the nations.
When we go to Isaiah 53:3, we again find a group abhorring and despising him. This must then be the same Israel abhorring him in Isaiah 49:7 as noted already, and not the nations whose kings rather hold him in high esteem, as we also saw in 49:7.
With this simple and clear understanding, we can return to Isaiah 52:13-15 that rabbis misread to proclaim the nation or remnant of Israel to be the suffering servant. Isaiah 52:10 has already told us our subject here is Yahweh's salvation to the ends of the earth as per Isaiah 49:6. He is also called Yahweh's "arm" in 52:10. Isaiah 52:13 tells us he will be highly exalted. And we already know from Isaiah 49:7 before whom he will be thus exalted. It will be before the kings and princes of the nations. It will not be before Israel.
Isaiah 52:14 then talks about his form and appearance, disfigured, and unappealing. To whom does he appear so marred in appearance? Isaiah 53:2 tells us. It says,
Isa 53:2b Tanakh-1917 … He had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, Nor beauty that we should delight in him.
Certainly Isaiah 53:2 is yet talking about this individual servant. And the very people that cannot look upon him, or delight in him, is the same group that abhors and despises him in the next verse, 53:3, as well as in Isaiah 49:7, as we saw above, namely, the nation of Israel!
Then we find the identification of the individual servant as the "arm" of Yahweh in Isaiah 52:10 repeated in Isaiah 53:1, but this time, as a question, asking, "To whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed"? The answer is again clear from the foregoing. The arm of Yahweh has been revealed to the Gentile kings and princes that would rise before him and worship him. But the one group that would not recognize him would be the very nation of Israel to whom he was being sent! For if they would recognize him, they wouldn't do to him all that Isaiah prophesied they would do to him in the rest of Isaiah 53. Take verse 8 for example:
Isaiah 53:8 Tanakh-1917 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, And with his generation who did reason? For he was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.
The Jewish Publication Society, JPS, translation above says he was cut off … "for" the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. However the phrase translated is "mip-pesha am-mi, nega lamo". Mip-pesha am-mi can also be translated "FROM or BY the transgression of my people …." Indeed, this may be the expected prophetic translation, for it proved to be the very Jewish leaders that did not recognize him that required him cut off by crucifixion when the time came.
So, Isaiah required the nation of Israel to be blind and unable to recognize the suffering covenant servant as the arm of Yahweh when he would come. That way, they would do to him all that they did do to him, including insisting on his crucifixion. And this way, they would make the "blood" of the covenant spoken of by Zachariah in 9:11 available.
Why did Yahweh's plan go thus? That is beyond the scope of this comment or post. All we seek to show here is that Yeshua did indeed come as the suffering covenant servant and was crucified by his people as it was written of him.
So, when the rabbis sneak into the end of Isaiah 52 to extract a basis to say the suffering servant is the nation of Israel, they wittingly or unwittingly misinterpret the prophecy of Isaiah.
The Christian who says Isaiah 53 refers to Yeshua is right even though he could have pulled in a more thorough and unexceptionable defence of his position by pointedly showing up the gross error in rabbinical efforts.
And he shall see his offspring and prolong his days! The shoe doesn't fit and the servant in Isaiah is called from the ends of the Earth! You Christians hang your hat everywhere it doesn't fit! I know, I used to be one! Glory be to God!
On point 3, the minority that admired Jesus were being hunted down and killed. The authorities and crowds spit on him and accused him of blasphemy. He was NOT admired by everyone. I don't think she knows her Bible.
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Professor Solberg needs to study 53 in context. The word Messiah or Maschiach, which means anointed, isn't mentioned even once in 53. furthermore, if this was truly about the Messiah from a Christian point of view, why don't we see any of the Christian claims about the Messiah. For example, where does Isaiah ever claim in 53, or anywhere, that the suffering servant is divine or part of a Trinity? Where does Isaiah ever claim that the suffering servant would return in a 2nd coming? Where does Isaiah claim that the suffering servant must be accepted as our Lord and Savior? Where does Isaiah claim this suffering servant would have a special and unique resurrection? Where does Isaiah ever claim that we must accept this suffering servant so our sins would be forgiven, and what would the consequences be if we failed to do so?
Furthermore if Isaiah 53 was truly about the suffering servant who is the Messiah that came to suffer for our sins where else is this idea corrobated in the Hebrew scriptures? Can Professor Solberg point to another 3, 4, or 5 passages in the Hebrew scriptures that teach this idea of a Messiah coming to atone for the sins of the world?
But Jeremiah 3:8 read that God has divorced Israel. The relationship was caput, so why would Isaiah 53 be about Israel? The chapter is about a person.
@@yawos9024 why? because if you read all the verses before 53 you would see that Isaiah identifies the servant repeatedly. If the servant was truly the Messiah, the passages below at least one of them should have said Yeshua is my servant, but they don't. These are the passages, and remember, if it was truly about Jesus, at least one passage should have said Yeshua, but all we see is Israel and Jacob - Can you ask Professor Solberg to explain this point?
ISAIAH 41:8-9 8 But you Israel, My servant, Jacob who I have chosen, descendant of Abraham My friend; 9 You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called from its remotest parts, and said to you, you are My servant, I have chosen you and not rejected you.
ISAIAH 44:1-2 1 But now listen, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have chosen: 2 Thus says the Lrd who made you, and formed you from the womb, who will help you, "Do not fear O Jacob My servant, Jeshurun who I have chosen."
ISAIAH 44:21 Remember these things O Jacob, and Israel, for you are My servant, I have formed you, you are My servant O Israel, you will not be forgotten by Me.
ISAIAH 45:4 For the sake of Jacob My servant, and Israel My chosen one, I have even called you by your name:
ISAIAH 43:10 You are My witnesses declares the L-rd, and My servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me.
In the passage above the word witnesses in the plural and the word servant in the singular.
ISAIAH 48:20 Go forth out of Babylon, flee from the Kasdim with a voice of singing declare, tell this, say it even to the ends of the earth; say, "The L-rd has redeemed his servant Jacob."
ISAIAH 49:3 and said to me, "You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
PSALM 136:22 A heritage to Israel his servant, for his loving-kindness is everlasting.
JEREMIAH 30:10 And fear not O Jacob My servant, declares the L-rd, and do not be dismayed, O Israel.
@@yawos9024 Nothing to say? How convenient is it to jump to 53 without reading the chapters before and after to determine the context of what the Prophet was saying?
@@zoharsutton8029 Did you? The context is so clear this is about Yehoshua. How could Israel be the 'suffering servant' of the Lord when the God had said he had divorced her because of her iniquities? You are so blinded.
@@yawos9024 So why doesn't Isaiah say Yeshua? Why does he say Israel and Jacob countless times? And in Isaiah 53, where does Isaiah ever make any Christian claims about the Messiah?
Where does Isaiah 53 say the suffering servant is divine? Where does Isaiah speak of the suffering servant returning in a 2nd coming or that he had a special and unique resurrection? Where does Isaiah in 53 say we must put our faith in this suffering servant so our sins will be forgiven? Where does Isaiah 53 refer to this suffering servant as God's anointed one, which actually means Messiah?
Isaiah 53 yes certainly Messianic as Targums even agree. Most beautifully fulfilled by Jesus our Divine Lord and Savior. Many of modern Israel substituting themselves there is a major slippery slope to be sure. As well Son of Man in Daniel Messiah undoubtedly.
You do realize those same Targums and Rabbis would reject J in a second and have many teachings against J and the NT. So you seem to say Jews should accept them here. That would only mean we must accept them all the time.
BTW despite what this guy told you and what you believe. Our Rabbis never believed that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah. Those beliefs are like the beliefs J is actually in the Torah. All based on a very poor misunderstanding of Hebrew and taking the text way out of context.
@@garyweiss7111 Yes, it has always been foretold that the Way of Life in Christ Yeshua is a narrow way with many so steeped in the blindness of their sin and fallen intellect to deny the many fulfilled prophecies and history concerning our Divine Messiah so only by the power of God can our will be changed to believe, trust in and follow Yeshua our Lord and Savior.
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If the Torah told me that J is the messiah and that I must believe in him, then I'll agree with you. However since it teaches believing in him is a sin and that he failed at every job, prophecy and qualifications of the messiah and that he's a very illegal sacrifice and illegal king by Torah law then I'll go by that.
@@garyweiss7111 I would never dare call Christ a false Messiah. The same One is our Judge on the Last Great Day.
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I would never dare call him the Messiah, G-d in human form or a legal sacrifice for our sins. Or the NT a valid bible. I say that angers G-d and I'll be harshly judged for accepting him as a G-d or equal to G-d. I told you and can so easily prove it. J fulfilled 0 prophecies, 0 jobs and 0 qualifications of the Messiah. The Torah so clearly teaches that G-d is a true one with no partners of any kind and no parts. It so clearly teaches G-d hates all human sacrifices of any kind. It teaches me no man can die for another man's sins, blood sacrifices were always so very limited in the sins they could atone for and there are a lot better and more powerful ways to clear sins, there is no trinity, No man can be G-d, No hint that any other religion will replace Judaism or any other bible will replace the Torah or be written. I can go on and on. I go by what the Torah actually says. That's why I reject J and the NT. I reject them for the very same reasons you reject all other bibles, G-d and religions. Just like you say it's not in your bible and not even hinted to in your bible I say the same.
We probably will get nowhere so we can agree to disagree. I'll leave you with this. The bible so clearly says that the faithful Jews will be proven right and the world will go to them in messianic times. Zachariah 8:23, Isaiah 2:3 and Jeremiah 16:19. That means the faithful Jews that always rejected J and the NT will be proven right. So you can go by the church if you want. I'll go by the people that G-d himself says will be proven right.
Have a good day and many blessings to you.
Peter said:
"G-D does not even mention your god’s name anywhere in the Torah or the books of the prophets."
My response:
Are you suggesting that in order for any theological fact to be true it must have been mentioned in the Tanakh?
Peter reply
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theology
Definition of theology 1: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience
especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
Im suggesting is how do we know it is a theological fact if it is not mentioned anywhere.
I’m also suggesting if you are reading a book claiming to be from and about G-D it should at least tell you about this G-D and what to call him when we would pray or beseech him for something. Also, I’m telling you it is not at all called exalted if G-D writes a book and names lots of people sinners and such but would not name what is supposed to be the main character in the book.
Think about it if someone were to write a book about the 42nd president of the United States and not mention his name in the entire book would that not be strange to you????
You wrote this before
@NITEMARES DEN There's one little flaw in your theory, Peter. The God of the Jews IS the God of the Christians-He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, King of the Universe, HaShem, יְהוָֹה. The NT is the continuation of the same Story that began in the Tanakh
My reply
It is true that there is only one god however the xtians, moslimes etc. decided that the G-D in the true living Bible was not good for them so they found other gods to worship. xtians found someone name je-sus or Immanuel or lamb etc. but he has never been called HaShem. I asked you before what the continued story is and what is the new covenant. I also recall asking you for one shred of evidence that the stories in the book are true and you could not do that.
You claim your book is a progressive revelation so can you tell me what that revelation is. Moses did not know about king David and this one not knowing about that one is not a revelation. A revelation is this.
Exodus Chapter 20 2 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
And Christians have no other God before Him. They worship יְהוָֹה, who is a tri-personal God, which is a fact hinted at in the Tanakh but not fully revealed until Yeshua. (One of many examples of God engaging in progressive revelation.)
You’re half right. It’s describing both advents of Jesus and instead of suffering for a weekend, it’s describing an entire life. He suffers deaths as in plural. He’s Adam returned and Isa is describing the Prodigal Son. He sees the light and Adam repents. He literally has children and was imprisoned though innocent. He’s living the life again like David and Joseph surrounded by enemies and cast out like Joseph. God again wounded him and allowed this. Daniel said Jesus would fail and the 70 week count was restarted in 1535 by the Ottomans. So both Daniel and Isa are showing both advents of Adam and Rev is when that lamb that’s been slain since Adam returns.
So very interesting theory, Jerry! Thank you for sharing it. ~Rob
Balaam
Balaam was not a Jew and would not speak against the Israelites yet he had the authority to speak as a prophet, today there are prophets who have had true theophanies and glorious revelations, who would never deny Israel's right, in fact they would endorse Israel and the people in Israel as the *Children of God* Christians are envious of Jewish salvation, thinking that Jews have to convert to Christianity but they don't, Christianity came about because one enlightened man and the generation he grew up in knew they had to expand the ability of God to create *a superhighway for souls* that the Children of God would come to God in the arms of *KINGS who would be their foster fathers, and Queen's who would be their Nursing mothers* as recorded in Isaiah 49, which also records Israel as *You are my servant Israel in whom I shall be Glorified*
The new Testament states that Jesus Christ identified Elijah in John the Baptist and John the Baptist identified Israel redivivus in Jesus (the lamb of God) where he said _John answered them, “I baptize with water; but among you stands one whom you do not know,_ 27 *even he who comes after me, the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” 28* This took place in Bethany.
John the Baptist therefore states that he recognised Jesus as Israel when he was present in Elijah, even though Israel lived 1200 years before him, as confirmed by Isaiah, salvation of the Jews is *The preserved of Jacob are redeemed in Israel*
The Old Testament provides reincarnation as a mean of Redemption.
_Zechariah 13:9
And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will…. _
The New Testament also states that a person has opportunities to be reborn *but a time comes when they can no longer die anymore, but must become children of God* celestial beings and then be judged.
As Christians they must have the Jewish spiritual blood for transformation which Jesus Christ gives.
Luke 20:36
_36 for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection._
The following text of Luke 20 (37) confirms the salvation which the Jews enjoyed from Moses.
The New Testament was written by dedicated Jews who were including the family if Abraham as centra in the lineage of Jesus but they also revered King David as Jesus ancestry and the Christian Church has avoided any belief in reincarnation as a pathway to Resurrection and Ascension because to understand that subject in the light of Scripture brings the believer directly to the knowledge that Jesus and (Jacob) are Israel.
Judgement for an Israelite and a Christian are the same they must stand before the Divine Word of God and hear his testimony of salvation which is Revelation, Jesus does not take part in Judgement nor does Almighty God, because a person could not bear it.
*Jesus Christ does not Judge*
John 8:15
_You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one._
John 8:50
_Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge._
John 12:47
_If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world._
John 5:221-23
_21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 _*_The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honour the Son,_*_ even as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father who sent him._
It is a great honour to be judged and confirms that we have had multiple opportunities for rebirth but we are now at *the end of the world* in the presence of a personage of overwhelming purity a purity that confirms in us how far removed we are from Him who has to deal with us. Like Job He asks *who are you to stand before me and darken my counsel* and *Are you great? Only the great can pass me by*
This can happen in this life or after it.
After a length of time in which you are left with the wrath of God on you, you may be allowed to see God the Father but you see him in Jesus Christ You see the glory of God in Him, this is called the *Beatific Vision.* This can cause concern in the soul, because the Christian religion states that Jesus is the Judge this is not true, but he can *pray the spirit for us* the Son who is the Spirit of Truth and Divine Word manifests himself as a *Glittering great two edged Sword* this is not Jesus but Jesus Christ in the Beatific Vision is ALSO Israel.
Judgement is a non-trinitarian event
In the tape listen you said the Rabbis said it was a prophecy about the coming mashiach. I said every Rabbi agrees that the events in Isaiah 52,52 happens when the real Messiah comes when did your pagan god sprinkle any nations didn't happen? do you know why cause the real messiah didn't come yet.
So shall he startle many nations, kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them shall they see, and that which they had not heard shall they perceive.
What did kings see about your roman pagan god. Remember it has to be something they were not told.
What will the pagan kings see when the real messiah comes. Oh yes Isaiah tells just before
Приятелката Ти е абсолютно Права!!!
Should a judge pardon a man guilty of rape and simply let him go? No, this is merciful but this is unjust, even by mere human standards. How much higher are the standards of justice of a Holy and perfect God? He tells us:
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, you empty head!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
-Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. -Matthew 5:27-28
We are all guilty before God, but He came as a man through Jesus Christ and lived a sinless life and took the punishment we deserve by dying on the cross and rising again three days later. If you were in a courtroom with a stack of speeding fines and a man came and offered to pay them for you, then the judge would be fully just and fully merciful to let us go if we accepted His offer. Likewise, God will pardon us if we confess and repent of our sins and fully trust in Jesus. This fulfills both mercy and justice.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:16
Well said!
let me ask the Jewish.. you guys say that God can't be human. So let me ask you when God created Adam and Eve why God said he created human in "his image". Either God is wrong or you guys are wrong.
Good question, Ankita. There are also a number of theophanies in the Hebrew Bible (God appearing in human or other forms).
Isaiah was born 8th Century BC and 7th Century BC and Jesus was 6 to 4BCE and died 30CE it 700 year before was born all is it inpossible. Isaiah 53 is speaking to Gentile King of Nations and Jacob Servant is Suffering that right story
1 Corinthians 11:14
King James Version
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Reason # 7 question on Matthew 16:28.
This verse of JESUS wasn't refered to Matthew 17 the transfiguration story. Both Christian theologians and Jewish scholars in Judaism never understand.
Assume someone comes in the 21st century and claim to exist before 2000 years pointing out Matthew 16:28, then what would be the response from both Christians and Jews in Judaism?
Keep in mind, Jesus claimed before Abraham was I'm in John 8:58, by the time nobody knows that Jesus was the Son of God except Mother Mary. So, how did Jesus claim like that? Jews didn't demand a clarification but took stones to cast on Jesus to kill him, if they demanded then Jesus would have clarified & Jews would have come to know what Jesus was saying is true, at least to some of them.
So, what's the likely clarification? JESUS calculated his age based on the age of the God's Spirit that exist eternity past, that's why he said, before Abraham was I'm.
So, the same logic is available to the Christians if he received the Holy Spirit into his physical body in the 21st century or prior to the return of Jesus. Therefore, anybody received the Holy Spirit into his physical body then the age of the Holy Spirit is apply to him, that's since the day of Pentecost of 1st century and up until now the age of the Holy Spirit is 1989 years, therefore one can claim to exist before 2000 years as in 1st century irrespective of his physical age.
What's the proof of someone received the Holy Spirit? The proof is that anybody received the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parent's Spirit then eventually he would become a Temple of God, and the Temple of God can't be destroyed by any power even bullets. Therefore, it's possible to physically demonstrate the physical body is the Temple of God as this's what JESUS did in John 2:19.
So the point is that Matthew 16:28 shall only be fulfilled when someone received the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body, and the fact is that theologians received
PHD's from the universities but not the Holy Spirit from the Lord God. However, someone in South India rooted from Jerusalem have received the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body, and become a witness of JESUS, and an appropriate time he would be recognised by the theologians and others, then the count down for the climax of the world 🌎 & return of JESUS shall begin. So, Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1 & Luke 9:27 is being fulfilled now, not when Jesus took Peter, James & John to the Holy 🏔️.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dear Brother thank you very much for spreading the True light of the Bible.
Jesus is Israel so both
Like seriously ?! These are not the reasons why Isaiah 53 doesn’t refer to Jesus.
This is a bonafide straw man.
If there is a matter to be addressed, it’s the following (and this is the short version):
Isaiah 53 is the fourth of the four “Servant Songs.”
Isaiah chapters 42, 49 and 50 are the other three.
Beginning with chapter 41, the equating of God’s Servant with the nation of Israel is made nine times by the prophet Isaiah, and no one other than Israel is identified as the “servant”:
“You are My servant, O Israel” (Isaiah 41:8)
“You are My servant, Israel” (Isaiah 49:3)
‘’ And now, hearken, Jacob My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen’’ (Isaiah 44:1)
‘’ So said the Lord your Maker, and He Who formed you from the womb shall aid you. Fear not, My servant Jacob, and Jeshurun whom I have chosen’’ (Isaiah 44:2)
‘’Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me’’ (Isaiah 44:21)
‘’For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me’’ (Isaiah 45:4)
‘’ Leave Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans; with a voice of singing declare, tell this, publicize it to the end of the earth; say, "The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob." (Isaiah 48:20)
The Bible is filled with other references to the people of Israel as God’s “servant”; see Jeremiah 30:10, 46:27-28; Psalms 136:22.
There is absolutely no reason that the “servant” in Isaiah 53 would suddenly switch and refer to someone other than the people of Israel.
Now, the nation is composed of many elements, among these elements are the “righteous”, this righteous remnant is usually the subject at hand, for they are the essence of the nation.
This is because the esteemed title of “Jacob”, and, all the more so “Israel”, is reserved for those who truly adhere to the characteristics of their founding forefather.
Isaiah 53 inhibits the insertion of Jesus on many grounds, yet, the church’s fabrication crumbles with just one verse, and more particularly, with just one word within that verse, when properly translating it from the Hebrew.
Let’s analyze:
כִּ֚י נִגְזַר֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ חַיִּ֔ים מִפֶּ֥שַׁע עַמִּ֖י נֶ֥גַע לָֽמוֹ
(Isaiah 53:8)
He [the servant] was cut off from the land of the living, because of the transgressions of my people THEY were stricken”.
Now, the last part of the verse tells us that this “servant” was “stricken”, yet, in the Hebrew, it refers to the servant in the plural, “THEY were stricken”.
It cannot be translated as, “he was stricken”, as a Christian Bible would have you believe. (We will get into that shortly)
This absolutely annihilates the Christian interpretation of chapter 53, and entirely supports the traditional interpretation, which teaches that “the servant” of the Lord, is Israel, and more particularly, “the righteous remnant of Israel”, they are the ones who suffer on behalf of others.
They are collectively known as “Jacob Israel”, the righteous servant, in the singular, for they are united with one heart in the service of God, it’s as if there is only one entity; thus, we find that the nation is referred to many times in Scripture in the singular (Exodus 12:2, among the many).
Yet, it is totally justified, and most proper, to also refer to them in the plural on account of their being composed of many individuals, for the nation of Israel is mentioned, as well, in the plural.
(One of the best examples, again, is Exodus 12:2, where, in the very same verse, they are referred to both in plural and singular)
To clarify:
The word למו/lamo, literally means either “to or for them”. It’s composed of a ״ל״ “lamed”, a preposition which translates roughly as “to” or “for”, and “״מו, pronounced “Mo or Moo”, a less frequent form of the objective pronoun for “them”.
The Christian translations of the Bible never fail to interpret every other instance of this objective pronoun in the plural except here!
For example: Genesis 9:26-27; Exodus 15:5,7,9; Deuteronomy 32:32, 35; Deuteronomy 33:2.
(It appears several times in Isaiah itself !)
Isaiah 23:1, 26:14,16, 30:5, 35:8, 43:8, 44:7, 15, 48:21; and the list goes on…
Dozens of times, they translate it as it should be translated, yet, only here, they chose to alter and singularize it; quite astonishing!
So the pagan gave an excuse why he wont take the challenge. So lets see if he will take
it now
NITEMARES DEN
16 hours ago
I am challenging anyone to show me one verse in Isaiah 52,53 that would lead anyone to believe it is talking about the xtain god, with a 100 million dollar reward if you find the verse
I could not find the original reply so I will be replying here in increments
solberg wrote
R.L solberg @NITEMARES DEN Thanks for engaging with me on this, Peter! I respect that we hold different positions on God and the Tanakh and Christianity. I'd like to help strengthen your arguments against me so I have a little feedback to share which you can feel free to adopt or ignore as you see fit. First, your inability to accurately express the Christian position works against you. I am not saying that you need to agree with Christianity. But arguing against a position you don't really understand does not make for a strong argument. To effectively refute a claim it helps if you understand the claim so you can accurately point out its shortcomings. Otherwise, you're just mounting a strawman argument.
peter response
Yes, it is a very good argument to understand what the other position is so when someone kills someone before we kill him as per the Torah, we have to understand the other position. In fact, he can claim self defense than he would not get the death penalty. However, in idol worship the law in the Torah is if someone says worship an idol or I will kill you you must let yourself get killed.
So, there is no other position in idolatry the Rabbis see him worshiping the sun, moon, a tree etc. He would be liable for the death penalty no matter how well he can articulate that this sun is god, or this moon is really god etc. No one can ever be convicted of idolatry according to you all he has to say is god came down as this tree, dog, rock, etc. and I’m really worshiping the god of the Jewish Hebrew Bible.
As the Rabbi put it succinctly
To illuminate the matter from a different angle let us focus on the sin of idolatry. The sin of idolatry is not a philosophical abstract, it is a sin of the heart. The sin of idolatry is not committed when you use the wrong phrase - for example, according to Brown; the phrase: “the fullness of God revealed in physical form” would be “absurd” and presumably idolatrous, while the phrase: “the fullness of God revealed in spiritual reality clothed in human flesh” is perfectly fine. These word games have nothing to do with the sin of idolatry. Rabbi Blumenthal
The same with worshiping a man who became god is idolatry worshiping a god that became a man is not idolatry so worshiping a god that became a stone will not be idol worship either but worshipping a stone that became a god no good or even a god who became a cow. So why were the Jews punished in the desert for worshiping a golden cow they said it was their god who came in the flesh as molten calf. They even said it was the G-D that took them out of Egypt as G-D said to worship.
Exodus Chapter 32:2 And Aaron said unto them: 'Break off the golden rings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.' 3 And all the people broke off the golden rings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. 4 And he received it at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made it a molten calf; and they said: 'THIS IS THY GOD, O ISRAEL, WHICH BROUGHT THEE UP OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.'
Solberg wrote
The other issue that compromises your argument (IMO) is the name-calling. If your desire is really to convince me (or other readers) of your position, referring to me as "Pagan" doesn't help much. It comes across as a bit arrogant and juvenile.
peter response
I do not agree my argument is your god called the Jews or some Jews the synagogue of satan and the answer your fellow worshippers give is that what he said was true. So, I am telling you a fact according to the true living G-D you are an idol worshiper. My god does not give a hoot what someone called lukie or shmookie says. However ok.
Remember two things G-D wrote not to add or diminish to the Torah and not to worship strange gods.
Solberg wrote
Agreed. And Christianity does not hold that the Torah has been edited or amended, nor that strange gods are to be worshipped.
peter response
Do you know what is a strange god is I explained it before however we will do it again
At mt. sinai G-D said
Exodus Chapter 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
G-D said we are to worship the G-D that took the Israelites out of Egypt
Here Exodus Chapter 20:3 G-D says you shall not make any image and likeness of anything in earth and heaven and worship it.
G-D tells us anything with an image is a strange god no matter how you word it.
That is why the Jews were punished for worshiping a molten calf it was a form and no one with a form took the Jews out of Egypt
However, me personally I would not mind if you would worship a god that came in the flesh. Can you show me one person who saw words becoming flesh or even a god came down from heaven and suddenly appeared to you in the flesh as the xtians claim their god came to many people in the true Hebrew living Bible. A god coming out of a woman’s vagina does not inspire any worship everyone else on earth came the same way. However, pagans make up stories to allow worship of men who came like everyone on earth like thor zeuse hercules etc. Jews did not see your god take them out of Egypt, so it is a strange god. Also, G-D says twice at Mt. Sinai “you saw no form” why do we have to know if there was a form or not.
Supposedly the xtian god had a form and he was at Mt. Sinai and all the xtians saw him why did the verses leave that out.
Deuteronomy Chapter 4:12 And the LORD spoke unto you out of the midst of the fire; ye heard the voice of words, BUT YE SAW NO FORM; ONLY A VOICE. 15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves--FOR YE SAW NO MANNER OF FORM on the day that the LORD spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire--
Yeah, YT makes it hard to find original comments or trace conversations! Thanks for sharing this.
Peter said:
No one can ever be convicted of idolatry according to you all he has to say is god came down as this tree, dog, rock, etc. and I’m really worshiping the god of the Jewish Hebrew Bible.
My response:
The difference, of course, is that Jesus' claims to divinity were validated by the Resurrection. Also, He matched the criteria for the Messiah as given in the Tanakh (A Jewish man from the line of David and the tribe of Judah, born in Bethlehem, etc.) whereas trees, dogs, rocks, etc. do not.
Peter said:
Can you show me one person who saw words becoming flesh or even a god came down from heaven and suddenly appeared to you in the flesh as the xtians claim
My response:
No human being saw Jesus "become flesh" because it happened in Mary's womb. No one ever saw you become flesh either, but we know you're real. The NT teaches that Jesus was God incarnate, born of a virgin (as Isaiah prophesied) and He lived a sinless human life so that He could pay the penalty for human sin.
Again, if you want to take time to learn what Christianity actually teaches it would help your arguments. Grace & Peace to you!
@@TheBiblicalRoots Peter said:
No one can ever be convicted of idolatry according to you all he has to say is god came down as this tree, dog, rock, etc. and I’m really worshiping the god of the Jewish Hebrew Bible.
My response:
The difference, of course, is that Jesus' claims to divinity were validated by the Resurrection. Also, He matched the criteria for the Messiah as given in the Tanakh (A Jewish man from the line of David and the tribe of Judah, born in Bethlehem, etc.) whereas trees, dogs, rocks, etc. do not.
Again, if you want to take time to learn what Christianity actually teaches it would help your arguments. Grace & Peace to you
Peter reply
Yes, you are correct so all religions are true until someone actually learns what it teaches then they can refute it. So, I scoured the internet and found a couple of distinguished scholars who studied what your SELLING actually teaches and they claim it is all full of baloney.
infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/resurrection/lecture.html
Why I Don't BUY the Resurrection Story Richard Carrier
Richard Cevantis Carrier is an American author and activist, whose work focuses on empiricism, atheism, and the historicity of Jesus.
atheistforum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/bart-ehrman-and-the-case-against-the-resurrection/
Bart Ehrman and the case against the resurrection
Bart Denton Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the origins and development of early Christianity.
So, your god did not prove his validity.
Again, let me repeat your god can prove all he wants that he is a god In the True Hebrew Bible it says do not worship anything with a form. What don’t you understand about that?
Deuteronomy Chapter 13:2 If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams--and he give thee a sign (IT DOES NOT SAY UNLESS IT IS A RESURRECTION THAN YOU CAN WORSHIP HIM) or a wonder, 3 and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee--saying: 'Let us go after other
(I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME ANYWHERE IN THE TRUE HEBREW BIBLE WHERE IT MENTIONS YOUR god) gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them'; 4 thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God putteth you to proof, to know whether ye do love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
@@NITEMARESDEN Peter said:
"In the True Hebrew Bible, it says do not worship anything with a form."
My response:
The Tanakh actually says "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." (Deut 5:8).
This does not apply to Jesus. Jesus is not a "carved image," nor is He something that was made by man. In Jesus, mankind did not "make for himself" an image to worship. It was God who foreordained and foretold the coming of the Messiah. Rather than in image or idol, Jesus was God incarnate "who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil 2:6-11).
Isaiah 53? Come on! Don't you know?
Don't tell me that you're another who doesn't know that the division of Isaiah (and all the books of what you may call "the old testament") didn't occur until 500 to 600 years ago.
Another person who doesn't know that what that means is that before then, each of the books of "the old testament" were one long text.
Another person who doesn't know that what that means is that you have to read Isaiah as one long text, not merely one chapter.
Another person who doesn't know that notwithstanding this, Isaiah can be divided very easily into 3 parts, because the text was obviously written in 3 different time periods, what became chapters 1-39, what became chapters 40-55, and what became chapters 56-65.
Another person who doesn't know that what that means is that you must read "chapter 53" in the context of chapters 40 to 55, and read them all in one sitting. (You should do that, by the way. You may become enlightened.)
Another person who doesn't know that in Isaiah 41:8-9, 44:1-2, 44:21, 45:4, 48:21, 49:3, and elsewhere, Isaiah refers to "the servant" as "Jacob" or "Israel" - which are common references in the whole of the "bible" to the people of Israel.
Another person who doesn't realize that it would be entirely illogical and unliterary (and Isaiah is the most literary work of all the books of the "bible") for the author of Isaiah to suddenly, in "chapter" 53, change the reference of "the servant" to some sort of "messiah" or anything or anyone OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL without saying so. And he didn't.
Another person who now may realize that Isaiah 53, therefore, does not refer to any person or group other than the people of Israel.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel and Jesus both because Jesus is BORN through Israel, (Judah-son of David): Christ is not just the son of David but the son of Adam/Man and the SON OF GOD and here is where it gets sticky for both Christians and Jews and where it also brings the WHOLE THING TOGETHER to fulfill how God will make out of Ephraim and Judah one stick in the end: (CROSS): BOTH have to be crucified with Christ (because Christ is the BLOOD OF GOD, hence the SON OF GOD, while Jesus is BOTH the SON OF GOD and the SON OF DAVID and the SON OF ADAM: How do you reconcile all these? THROUGH the experience of the HOLY SPIRIT that is revealed when your heart (Israel) gives birth to Christ (Seed of the woman) and then that MAN CHILD takes you to the cross (Easter) to be JOINED to him at the place of the SKULL, the upper room:
I am challenging anyone to show me one verse in Isaiah 52,53 that would lead anyone to believe it is talking about the dead roman pagan man-god of the xtians, with a 100 million dollar reward if you find the verse.
Hey ND! That's got to be a trick question, right? The Christians don't have a dead roman pagan man-god. (And you don't have $100 million!) :-)
@@TheBiblicalRoots roman pagan wrote
Hey ND! That's got to be a trick question, right? The Christians don't have a dead roman pagan man-god. (And you don't have $100 million!) :-)
My response
Well, let us see if it is a trick or not. Have you ever been to a synagogue or a mosque? Have you seen dead gods hanging on the walls there? No, you have not cause dead gods hanging on the walls of places of worship or in town squares is only done by roman pagans.
I have a house and a car since this is public you can sue me if you win the debate. I don’t need a100 million cause you can't find it. Also, only in roman paganism are they taught to lie for their pagan god. I have already told you that Jews translate Isaiah 53 and it doesn’t include your roman pagan god so no reason to forbid it yet you still have this deceiving youtube title.
@@NITEMARESDEN dear, just watch the video, it answers your question/challenge. Don't need to be so rude btw. Best regards,
@@isabelahartze4969
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@NITEMARES DEN dear, just watch the video, it answers your question/challenge. Don't need to be so rude btw. Best regards,
My response
This was my challenge to you OK to show me a verse in Isaiah 52 or 53 that would lead anyone to believe it is talking about a dead Pagan Roman man got on a stick so why are you telling me about some video. OK if the video has the verse why don’t you just post the verse and get the reward even the author has not been able to do that so what makes you think that you will now be able to do that. I listened to the whole video and everything in the video is a lie OK it’s a lie from Satan your whole book is from Satan and that’s not rude that is a fact OK fact Jack.
Now here are many videos for you to watch that prove that Isaiah 53 is not about your dead Pagan Roman men God on a stick now when you have a verse to show me that is that Isaiah 52 or 53 is talking about a dead Pagan Roman man got on a stick or whatever you want to call your dead god post it here and you will receive the $100 million reward don’t give me no baloney video or anything like that because you can’t show me since you are a lying devil and then tell me don’t be rude when you lie to me.
I am challenging anyone to show me one verse in Isaiah 52,53 that would lead anyone to believe it is talking about the dead roman pagan man-god of the xtians, with a 100 million dollar reward if you find the verse.
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@@isabelahartze4969 Hi I would like to ask you how many roman pagan dead gods do you have? In your satanic books it seems there are two one comes from a word, and one comes from a woman as I laid it out here.
The drunken books of the idol worshipers claim that a word came and was made into flesh, and this was a man.
King James Version John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Here it says someone was engaged to someone and before they were married the whore fornicated with someone else and they produced the dead roman pagan man god.
So, the verse in John 1:1 cannot be talking about this roman pagan man-god. One came from a word, and one came from a whores p...
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Let me tell you something if you follow the true G-D you can answer everything from the first word in the beginning and forward. You can't answer anything, not one thing I asked have you answered.
Rob, no offense, but I've asked Jews and they never said Isaiah 53 was ever skipped...
No offense taken, Paul. Thanks for the head's up. I've asked some Jews and they've said it has. I guess every synagogue is different. Blessings, Rob
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I hope I will still hear from you after I thoroughly refuted you.
read micah, daniel
@@Ankita-vr8ri I read them and they won't even mention your man god.
@@Ankita-vr8ri Micah Chapter 5 :1 But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, FROM ANCIENT DAYS.
Xtian translatin
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.
א וְאַתָּה בֵּית-לֶחֶם אֶפְרָתָה, צָעִיר לִהְיוֹת בְּאַלְפֵי יְהוּדָה--מִמְּךָ לִי יֵצֵא, לִהְיוֹת מוֹשֵׁל בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל; וּמוֹצָאֹתָיו מִקֶּדֶם, מִימֵי עוֹלָם.
מִימֵי עוֹלָם is translated from days of old the origins of the Messiah was to come days of old a long time ago. We see here xtian translation says from everlasting to reflect their false god. I posted a verse a few lines down where the Hebrew says ancient days like here and the xtians translate it correctly there anyone know why here they didn’t.
I want to show you something spectacular here.
Jewish translation
ה וְהוּא מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ, מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲוֺנֹתֵינוּ; מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו, וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא-לָנוּ. Isaiah Chapter 53:5 But he was wounded BECAUSE of our transgressions, he was crushed BECAUSE of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.
Xtian translation
Isaiah 53 King James Version 5 But he was wounded FOR our transgressions, he was bruised FOR our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
מ this letter is a preposition and means from or because not for. You see in Mica they translate it the correct way FROM In Isaiah 53 they change it to FOR
Here are the differences.
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from מן
HE DIED BECAUSE SOME ONE SHOT HIM. -------- THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IN THE JEWISH HEBREW BIBLE SO NO ONE WHO READS THIS WILL SAY IT IS THEIR PAGAN god CAUSE THEIR god DIED FOR THE SINS NOT BECAUSE.
HE DIED FROM THE SHOT HE RECEIVED---- FROM IS THE SAME AS BECAUSE.
HE DIED FOR THE ONE THAT SHOT HIM. THIS IS THE PAGANS LYING WHAT ISAIAH SAYS TO PROMOTE THEIR ROMAN PAGAN god.
HE WAS WOUNDED FROM OUR SINS
HE WAS WOUNDED BECAUSE OF OUR SINS
HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR SINS.
The question is why Isaiah did not write FOR if it is true what they claim the prophets speak about their pagan god. So, we see the cult of xtianity is all a lie.
Does anyone notice in all the times besides Isaiah 53 when it seems to be talking about a Messiah it never mentions he will die for your sins.
out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler WHO WILL DIE FOR THE SINS OF MY PAGANS. NOPE NO SUCH VERSE.
The prophet is not speaking to a piece of land he is prophesying about a person. No where does it mention anything about someone being born. He is speaking about King David who from his progeny will be the Messiah. Also, it says ancient days not everlasting or whatever they change it to fit their pagan god.
Isaiah 63 King James Version 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them ALL THE DAYS OF OLD.
ט בְּכָל-צָרָתָם לא (לוֹ) צָר, וּמַלְאַךְ פָּנָיו הוֹשִׁיעָם--בְּאַהֲבָתוֹ וּבְחֶמְלָתוֹ, הוּא גְאָלָם; וַיְנַטְּלֵם וַיְנַשְּׂאֵם, כָּל-יְמֵי עוֹלָם .
1Samuel 16:1,6-12 - (1) And the Lord said to Samuel, "Until when are you
mourning for Saul, when I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Fill your
horn with oil, and come, I shall send you to Jesse, the Bethlehemite, for I have
seen for Myself a king among his sons."
(6) And it was, that when they came, and he saw Eliab, that he said, "Surely, before
the Lord is His anointed." (7) And the Lord said to Samuel, "Look not upon his
appearance, or the height of his stature, for I have rejected him, for it is not as man
sees, [that which is visible] to the eyes, while the Lord sees into the heart." (8) And
Jesse called to Abinadab, and he presented him before Samuel, and he said,
"Neither has the Lord chosen this one." (9) And Jesse presented Shammah, and he
said, "Neither has the Lord chosen this one." (10) And Jesse presented seven of
his sons before Samuel; and Samuel said to Jesse, "The Lord has not chosen
these."
(11) And Samuel said to Jesse, "Are these all the young men?" And he
said, "The youngest still remains, and behold, he is tending the sheep." And
Samuel said to Jesse, "Send and bring him, for we shall not sit down until he
comes here." (12) And he sent and brought him, and he was ruddy, with beautiful
eyes, and handsome appearance. And the Lord said, "Arise, anoint him, for this is
he."
Eventually, the aging King David was visited by the Prophet Nathan who
conveyed to him God’s promise of an everlasting dynasty, of which he was to
be the progenitor, a dynasty that will eventually produce the Messiah
2Samuel 7:12-16 - (12) When your days are fulfilled, and you shall lie with your
forefathers, then I will raise up your seed that shall issue from your body after you,
and I will establish his kingdom. (NOTICE AGAIN IT DOES NOT SAY HE SHALL DIE FOR YOUR SINS) (13) He shall build a house for My Name, and I will
establish the throne of his kingdom forever. (14) I will be to him a father, and he
shall be to Me a son; so that when he goes astray I will chasten him with the rod of
men, and with afflictions of human beings. (15) And My mercy shall not depart
from him; in the manner in which I withdrew it from Saul, whom I removed from
before you. (16) And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever
before you; your throne shall be established forever.
Isaiah 53:
Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of dry ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we would look at Him,
Nor an appearance that we would take pleasure in Him.
He was despised and abandoned by men,
A man of great pain and familiar with sickness;
And like one from whom people hide their faces,
He was despised, and we had no regard for Him.
However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore,
And our pains that He carried;
Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted,
Struck down by God, and humiliated.
But He was pierced for our offenses,
He was crushed for our wrongdoings;
The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him,
And by His wounds we are healed.
All of us, like sheep, have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the wrongdoing of us all
To fall on Him.
He was oppressed and afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off from the land of the living
For the wrongdoing of my people, to whom the blow was due?
And His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
But the Lord desired
To crush Him, causing Him grief;
If He renders Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.
As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
For He will bear their wrongdoings.
Do we agree that Isaiah was sent to the Jewish people?
If so, you will note the difference between He/Him and us/our/we throughout the chapter.
I think it's safe to agree that the us/our/we are the Jewish people. As such, when Isaiah is speaking here he is including himself with the jewish people as us/our/we.
Now we have a He/Him involved. Who is this singular individual?
We know it cannot be the jewish people since then the chapter does not make sense. My point is illustrated here:
That He was cut off from the land of the living
For the wrongdoing of my people, to whom the blow was due?
Notice it says "He" was cut off for the wrongdoing of "my people." (Israel)
This pattern continues, showing the difference between a singular individual versus a group of people.
Isaiah speaks of the sins and iniquities of Israel here. "We all" like sheep have gone astray. "Each of us" has gone his own way. And the Lord has caused the wrongdoing of "us all" (Israel) to fall on Him.
ISRAEL IS THE SERVANT OF GOD AND THE ANOINTED (CHRIST/ MASHIACH) OF GOD YEHOVAH DIFFERENT FROM INDIVIDUAL SERVANTS AND ANOINTEDS (CHRISTS/ MASHIACHS) OF GOD YEHOVAH THE LAWGIVER AND COVENANT GIVER AND COVENANT KEEPER
1 Chronicles 16:20-22 ASV
And they went about from nation to nation, And from one kingdom to another people. [21] He suffered no man to do them wrong; Yea, he reproved kings for their sakes, [22] Saying, Touch not mine anointed ones, And do my prophets no harm.
THE SERVANT OF GOD IN ISAIAH 53 IS ISRAEL
Isaiah 41:8 ASV
But thou, Israel, my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend,
Isaiah 44:21 ASV
Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
Isaiah 49:3 ASV
and he said unto me, Thou art my servant; Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
THE ONE THAT IS RESSURRESCTED FROM DEATH IN EZE
Ezekiel 37:1-3,11-14 ASV
The hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of Jehovah, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones. [2] And he caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. [3] And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord Jehovah, thou knowest. [11] Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off. [12] Therefore prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O my people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. [13] And ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O my people. [14] And I will put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land: and ye shall know that I, Jehovah, have spoken it and performed it, saith Jehovah.
THE PEOPLE TO BE RAISED ON THE THIRD DAY IS ISRAEL.
Hosea 6:1-3 ASV
Come, and let us return unto Jehovah; for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. [2] After two days will he revive us: on the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live before him. [3] And let us know, let us follow on to know Jehovah: his going forth is sure as the morning; and he will come unto us as the rain, as the latter rain that watereth the earth.
Are we servants of God Yehovah the most high Lord, Lord of lords or we have chosen to be servants of another?
Are we anointeds (mashiachs/christs) of God Yehovah the Anointer or we have chosen to be anointeds (mashiachs/christs) of another?
Are we followers of the Almighty God Yehovah the Lawgiver or we have forsaken him and have become followers of another
1 Kings 18:21 ASV
And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
Joshua 24:14-15 ASV
Now therefore fear Jehovah, and serve him in sincerity and in truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River, and in Egypt; and serve ye Jehovah. [15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah.
Exodus 32:26 ASV
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Whoso is on Jehovah's side, let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
but the messiah is supposed to bring peace on earth there will be no more wars and that didn't happen
Yet.
1st he had to pay the death penalty for the Remnant/Sheerith
At the 2nd coming the Day of YHVH he will destroy His enemies with the sword coming out of His mouth
R. L. Solberg
NITEMARES DEN LOL! You crack me up, Peter. Thanks for engaging with me in this discussion. In the end, though, it looks like you have no serious responses to Habermas' minimal facts about the Resurrection. And that's fine. You're free not to believe any of it, of course. But you're an intelligent guy so I'm sure you know that merely calling him a liar and claiming the NT is a "lying book" get you nowhere. All those kinds of comments reveal are a personal opinion. (And a highly biased and unsubstantiated opinion, at that!) But, an opinion which you have every right to hold. God bless, my friend! Thanks for watching the
video.
My reply
Ok, no problem so we will see who is lying and who is the fool.
How does this Habermas know that this is true #2 below he claims it is a fact prove it I will give a billion dollars? So, you see it is not a fact it is a lie when he says it is a fact.
Even the first one crucifixion we don’t know how he died just what it says in a book how do we know the book is true. Saying scholars say it is true I showed you scholars that say it is not true. It can’t be a fact if there are debates about it got it.
Yes, I can say the book is all lies you have to prove it is not, or else we then have to believe every cult the world over according to you.
By the way, if you would listen to what this liar said he said even biased opinions can be believed as facts. Of course, I’m sure he meant only if is for his case.
2. Jesus’ disciples had experiences that the believed were of the resurrected Jesus
No, they had no experiences it is only in a lying book.