Why we make stereo amplifiers

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2022
  • Why wouldn't PS Audio always make monoblock amplifiers?
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  • @chatnboy
    @chatnboy Před rokem +5

    I love that you break down your philosophy about hi- fi products simply and plainly.I will buy your equipment as soon as I win any kinda of lottery.AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE PIC OF YOUR EQUIPMENT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLUNT AND HONEST OPINIONS!

  • @macmac9386
    @macmac9386 Před rokem

    Everything is beautiful!

  • @fabieneldridge3414
    @fabieneldridge3414 Před rokem

    Wish I could afford your whole system. I would think that nobody makes anything any better , amp , speakers, ect ! Just Wonderful ! Maybe I’ll hit the lottery someday. It’s always nice to Dream !

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Před rokem

      If I was looking for a one company system I'd deffo check out the Yamaha 5000 series. Just sayin'.

    • @fabieneldridge3414
      @fabieneldridge3414 Před rokem

      @@Roof_Pizza Yamaha maybe one of the Best Built amps today. They are built like tanks ! I have the same Marantz 2325 that I’ve had since the cows came home. It Rocks still , it’s a Power house runs my K- Horns on A channel and B channel runs my Klipsch Belle’s in back ! It will still pressurize my room but it’s old and could use a restoration. After nearly 50 years it still looks near mint and only has one bulb out. Quality piece and I can’t say anything bad after nearly 50 years of service ! The big Yamaha reminds me of it .

    • @Mark-lq3sb
      @Mark-lq3sb Před rokem

      @@Roof_Pizza
      MSRP of $42,999 for 100 watts into 8ohm and one 12-inch woofer with no digital at all. No thanks.

  • @AllboroLCD
    @AllboroLCD Před rokem

    Just a suggestion for future gear aesthetic; Carbon Fiber!
    I know its unlikely, but some CF accents on the speakers/components would look pretty sweet!

  • @anonamouse5917
    @anonamouse5917 Před rokem +5

    Those speakers are gorgeous!

  • @elbrujomaya
    @elbrujomaya Před rokem +1

    I have a question, no matter where you sit in a movie theater you always get great sound, and at home you have to be in the right spot. I hope you answer me, greetings.

  • @tennysonbosco3652
    @tennysonbosco3652 Před rokem

    Thanks Paul

  • @antiWhiteism777
    @antiWhiteism777 Před měsícem +1

    @paulmcgowanpsaudio --- Aren't soldering tubes directly to a PCB a sign of a low quality device?

  • @janinapalmer8368
    @janinapalmer8368 Před rokem +3

    By definition the BHK600 will just be +3dB louder ... is it really worth it ?

    • @JonAnderhub
      @JonAnderhub Před rokem +1

      dB is a logarithmic scale, not a linear measurement.
      +3 dB is a doubling of power which corresponds to an increased potential for SPL (though not necessarily +3 dB SPL).

    • @janinapalmer8368
      @janinapalmer8368 Před rokem

      @@JonAnderhub 3dB is NOT doubling the power... it's the other way around ... doubling the power will give a 3dB lift in the perceived loudness ok 👍

  • @tudorsomkereki9603
    @tudorsomkereki9603 Před rokem

    Would you pick the M1200 over the 250?

  • @hugobloemers4425
    @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem +2

    Paul mentions from time to time his overall profit margin model, which is BOM + profit margin. That is a relative fair pricing strategy towards customers. At least they don't use value pricing, or rather perceived value pricing, because what is the value of HiFi in daily use any way?

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem +4

      I don't exactly believe his pricing model is that. If that were true his amps should be much less spaced out in price.

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Před rokem +3

      Personally I think the pricing structure he mentions is better suited to retail than direct to consumer or wholesale. Meh, if he can keep the doors open then good for him. I know of some gear that'll blow his stuff away that is cheaper and to me more prestigious as well.

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem +1

      @@Roof_Pizza To be honest, I never gave most of ps audios line up a 2nd look because class d amps are kinda dumb if you're going for best sound. And for the price why? class d boards are cheap and it's not like ps audio is packing a hypex ncore,
      module or a purifi modules. If I buy class d it's for convenience and to save space. If I want 300+ watts I'll take class ab. If I want musical sound that sounds like angels to my ears I'll take class a. And with that said there are tons of cheaper options.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Před rokem

      @@V1ralB1ack Yep. You can get powerful Hypex or Purifi amps for relatively little money. I prefer low watt Class-A tube amps so I'm not a customer of Paul's company but I can appreciate what he does at the same time.

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem

      @@YouSoundButtHurt I think he is a great guy and same I prefer tubes. Mainly a set amp

  • @dans550
    @dans550 Před rokem +6

    Your equipment is absolutely beautiful, works of art, seriously museum quality

  • @tseumd58
    @tseumd58 Před rokem

    Paul , why some high end amps double depths of you BHK mono , is that mean more sound quality?

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem

      It's because of the size of the transformers. Class d uses much smaller transformers.
      The transformers are the most expensive part of most amplifiers.

    • @grumpy9478
      @grumpy9478 Před rokem

      MSRP is directly proportional to enclosed volume. that's another key factor, along w/ the BOM.

  • @realtalk6340
    @realtalk6340 Před rokem +8

    I’d like to hear this setup without the powerplant

    • @Mark-lq3sb
      @Mark-lq3sb Před rokem

      Have you heard this setup with the power plant? More than likely, no.

    • @realtalk6340
      @realtalk6340 Před rokem

      @@Mark-lq3sb irrelevant. Strawman.

    • @realtalk6340
      @realtalk6340 Před rokem +2

      @@Mark-lq3sb that power play bottlenecks power and you know it. You’re up-selling an arrogate population of wealthy men who are to proud to learn the difference, yet can afford it.
      The BHK’s 600’s are amazing by the way. I can’t wait to order a pair. I wouldn’t be caught dead with a single power plant with that set up; I wouldn’t want want at all. Zero noise as is.

    • @ryanschipp8513
      @ryanschipp8513 Před rokem

      It will sound the same. The power plants are snake oil

    • @Mark-lq3sb
      @Mark-lq3sb Před rokem

      @@realtalk6340
      They are called Power Plants. Now, I wonder if you're really familiar with a PS Audio power plant.
      I mean, you don't even know what they're called. Have you owned one? Have you heard one? Have you experimented with one in a system? Oh, I get it, you're just going by what other people have said on CZcams. You're one of those blind followers. I've done all of the above mentioned.
      I'm so worried that a wealthy man is going to spend his money on what he wants, Laugh out loud!
      I don't know about you, but I really don't like people telling me how to spend my money (other than taxes. Not much choice there.)
      So, you're going to spend $32, 000 U.S. dollars on a pair of mono blocks. Talk about wealthy! Make sure you tell all your wealthy friends about your views on the power plants.
      You mention "zero noise as is." Absolute zero? I doubt that highly!

  • @brianmoore581
    @brianmoore581 Před rokem +2

    I have an Aragon 8008 BB from the late 90's that is dual mono in a single chassis. It has two transformers. It has functioned flawlessly for the past 25+ years. I think it cost about $2500 new.

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem +3

      I have a 1968 National Panasonic transistor radio. It is working flawlessly until now and only cost about $20,-

    • @brianmoore581
      @brianmoore581 Před rokem +1

      @@hugobloemers4425 since Paul was talking about high end amps, that's why I mentioned my Aragon, which I bought new. It's also dual mono in a single case, which he was saying is nearly impossible to do.
      But, yeah, lots of very old electronics are still functioning. I bought an old Nakamichi cassette deck from the '80s that still works. My Mom had an old record player from God knows when that still works.

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem

      @@brianmoore581 Indeed, I love this really old stuff. But 70's amplifiers and receivers do need re-capping.

  • @antiWhiteism777
    @antiWhiteism777 Před měsícem +1

    @paulmcgowanpsaudio --- Is this something worth getting for movie/game center, or is it a waste if not using in a Hi-Fi music center?

  • @realtalk6340
    @realtalk6340 Před rokem

    This BHK 600’s are priceless imo. A work of art.

  • @ACM1000000PT
    @ACM1000000PT Před rokem

    they look much better with these colors

  • @antiWhiteism777
    @antiWhiteism777 Před 21 dnem +1

    @paulmcgowanpsaudio --- Shouldn't the title be "Why we *don't* make stereo amplifiers"?

  • @normrubio
    @normrubio Před rokem

    Why's everything so close to the ground? You'd think at least waist level to work the equipment if needed.

    • @ekimandersom4478
      @ekimandersom4478 Před rokem

      For optimal sound you don’t want anything between the speakers.
      Probably keeping them low helps with that a bit, ideally they shouldn’t be there at all.

  • @spacemissing
    @spacemissing Před rokem +2

    Almost everything is made to a price point, and when it isn't you get things about which you don't ask "how much?" ---
    all you do is hand over your unlimited credit card and don't begin to consider what will be on your next statement.
    Which brings up the difference between a "vayce" and a "vahz": A "vayce" is one you can afford to break,
    and the "vahz" is the one you don't even touch.

    • @tac6044
      @tac6044 Před rokem

      A few can break a "vahnz" and replace as if it were a discarded pencil.

    • @trippmoore
      @trippmoore Před rokem

      @@tac6044 And that's a real shame becuase it subverts our democracy for so few to have all the economic power.
      "A 2014 study by political scientists Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University stated that "majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts."[30] The study analyzed nearly 1,800 policies enacted by the US government between 1981 and 2002 and compared them to the expressed preferences of the American public as opposed to wealthy Americans and large special interest groups.[31] It found that wealthy individuals and organizations representing business interests have substantial political influence, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little to none."
      And the pandemic saw the largest transfer of wealth up to the top in history.

  • @dans550
    @dans550 Před rokem +1

    Hey Paul, you've got trolls, every time I comment on one of your videos I get a slew of responses trying to give me stuff using the PS audio logo

  • @scottscottsdale7868
    @scottscottsdale7868 Před rokem +2

    Take Stellar M700’s and compare to BHK 300. And BHK 250 with Stellar S300. STELLAR M1200 with BHK 600. All with the Aspens. That is what I want to hear.

  • @stackoverflow8260
    @stackoverflow8260 Před rokem

    I don't know why but amps now a days don't have power meters. Firstly, they serve a very important function of knowing if some strange and loud signal is being sent to the power amp. Secondly, they are pretty. Also, I no longer see speaker switches....what's with that ? Meters add form and function...seriously.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Před rokem

      Because they add additional cost and packaging constraints.

  • @dans550
    @dans550 Před rokem +1

    I'm all the way over in Ohio and relatively poor, but really want to hear it😅

    • @HiFilover168
      @HiFilover168 Před rokem +1

      Thanks to PS Audio, I visited their show room years ago and they demonstrated their gears which I can't afford it even at second hand market. On the other hand, my local Lamborghini dealer wouldn't even let me seat as passenger to demonstrate their car. 😡

    • @dans550
      @dans550 Před rokem

      Paul rocks

  • @crazyprayingmantis5596
    @crazyprayingmantis5596 Před rokem +1

    Why we make stereo amplifiers as big as a bar fridge

  • @keeloraz9452
    @keeloraz9452 Před rokem

    Woh ! expensive. I would just like to hear it once atleast.

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics Před rokem +5

    $16,000
    I was like.. wait.. I think he meant $1600… nope.. I clearly heard $16,000. 🤔🥵

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem +3

      Dude, are you new to the audio world? Wait until you hear about the price of the recommended cables for these amplifiers.

    • @Harald_Reindl
      @Harald_Reindl Před rokem

      ​@@hugobloemers4425 audiophiles are on the same level like monkeys, the only difference is less hair and not living on trees

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem +2

      @@hugobloemers4425 it's still stupid. these cables are built to go into a living room yet they cost more than cable harnesses that go to space

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem +1

      @@V1ralB1ack I agree with that one 😂

    • @davidfromamerica1871
      @davidfromamerica1871 Před rokem +2

      McDonald’s is getting to be out of my price range..😀 Those two mono blocks are what I paid for my car when new. 😀
      My car came with a stereo 😀🤗👍

  • @MS-ug3gm
    @MS-ug3gm Před rokem

    Why not :)

  • @philipw7058
    @philipw7058 Před rokem

    Loudness is not the only benefits from a more powerful amp you need to to more homework,and find out why power rules in a audio investment

  • @antiWhiteism777
    @antiWhiteism777 Před měsícem +1

    @paulmcgowanpsaudio --- So it takes 2 to listen to stereo music, does that mean I'd need more to listen to surround sound movies?

    • @WeeWeeJumbo
      @WeeWeeJumbo Před 21 dnem +1

      each of the amplifiers can only serve one channel

  • @milkman100001
    @milkman100001 Před rokem

    just paid for the 300's .ill have to wait a long time for the 600's to enter through my front door.

  • @stefanegger
    @stefanegger Před rokem

    give it to me. It's certainly not bad but I am not sure if it has ultra wideband sound like harman kardon.

  • @edd2771
    @edd2771 Před rokem +6

    I gotta ask. So many of you are commenting about the price of and need for these components. Many are saying the mark up is extreme or the products are not worth the money. Yet, if you are a subscriber here you know that PS Audio is a high end company that favors the maximum disaggregation of the component chain. And if you aren’t a subscriber, you might bother to find that out before you comment. But regardless if you are not in favor of the approach or the value proposition, why are you watching these videos? I’m no PS Audio apologist… I find the FR 30s flat out ugly, I have serious doubts about the merits of power conditioners and regenerators, and I strongly dislike when Paul injects his politics into the channel, but none of this stops me from enjoying the channel and learning from it.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Před rokem

      They're just broke, ignorant, losers venting instead of trying to improve their lives. I'm not a huge fan of PS Audio but I like Paul and his channel.

    • @JonAnderhub
      @JonAnderhub Před rokem +2

      All amplifiers are fundamentally built the same, and while hand building, using premium components does increase the cost, it doesn't increase the cost proportionately to the asking price.
      In plain language it doesn't cost $15,000 to build an amplifier, even of the best quality and there are amplifiers that cost significantly less that will match the specifications of overpriced "audiophile" amplifiers

    • @edd2771
      @edd2771 Před rokem +1

      @@JonAnderhub No, it doesn’t cost $15k to build the amplifier. By Paul’s own admission it costs less and he adds a multiplier. I completely agree that amps costing half to one- third as much may sound indiscernibly different in blind listening. However, if there is an audience for PS amps as constructed and at that price, they will sell them. People obviously see value in them. You can buy a $50 Seiko quartz watch that keeps better time than a $30k Rolex. That does not change the fact that there is a huge audience for the Rolex. And make no mistake, while a Rolex has some precious metals in it, the technology of a mechanical watch movement has not changed materially in 70 years, so the mark up is very high there too. You may think paying for a Rolex is insanity, and you may not be wrong, but that’s besides the point. Why would PS, or any other company, deny customers a product they are obviously demanding, albeit in limited quantities? Would you subscribe to a Rolex CZcams channel or watch their videos regularly and constantly complain that they are no better timekeepers than a quartz watch? Well i suppose one might, but it would still be silly to do so, which was my original contention in this post.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Před rokem

      @@JonAnderhub It's not just the cost of the parts, it's all the direct and indirect costs involved in buying the parts, storing the parts, issuing the parts, building the product, etc. Also, small lot sizes, supply and demand, etc.

    • @JonAnderhub
      @JonAnderhub Před rokem +1

      @@YouSoundButtHurt These don't account for the absurdly high price.
      There are amplifiers with similar specifications and build that cost 1/3 the price.

  • @mysock351C
    @mysock351C Před rokem +6

    In a properly designed amplifier there is no need to compromise with having dual monoblocks. Good circuit design and layout will keep the crosstalk far below levels that would be audible, and the only real conceivable reason would be possibly if you need 1kW+ of power output per channel. But for the vast majority of applications its a waste of resources and money with no tangible gains except for extra profit from being able to sell two of something instead of just one to a customer. The biggest source of crosstalk/distortion in most linears is likely to be the rectified audio that is imposed on the power rails since they are unregulated, and the PSRR degrades with frequency. If you want all the benefits of a monoblock in a stereo configuration but with better distortion characteristics, then go to a well-regulated switching supply that will also push all the noise into the ultrasonic region where it is much easier to deal with.

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem +1

      That is a whole different can of worms, but certainly one that is worthwhile learning more about. The Kiss Analog CZcams channel has a whole series about this subject. For those who are technically inclined and want to learn about this subject, these videos are a must to watch.

    • @Channel-cm7yc
      @Channel-cm7yc Před rokem +1

      It’s not so much about the aspects you describe as much as it is about headroom and the amplifier having linearity with this kind of headroom. If you have ever heard this then I digress. Wattages in these incriminates make no real perceptible difference in their respective correlation to output in terms quantity which a lot of people get off on. That’s not how an amplifier works it delivers only what a loudspeaker requires and the rest goes into superb sound reproduction!
      I would digress into saying you could have 1 watt or even 50 or 600 watts of pure crap based on poor circuit execution. But these are definitely not in that category.

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 Před rokem

      @@Channel-cm7yc The comment is not about headroom. It is about the merits of two power supplies versus one power supply, whereby possibly both configurations deliver the same total power at the same output voltage. The statement is that one regulated power supply can mitigate the cross talk issues that occur with one unregulated power supply. And thus, one regulated power supply is as good or even better than two unregulated power supplies. Within these design choices, you can then independently opt for any head-room you desire, much the same as that you can opt for different colors of the enclosure. But that is just off-topic.

    • @scottscottsdale7868
      @scottscottsdale7868 Před rokem +1

      I would rather trust the views of professional audio engineers and circuit designers. Life is a compromise and taste differs. To me, and my modest budget and system, the S300’s work really well. Even Paul admits his wife will not allow the huge Aspens in her living room.

    • @Harald_Reindl
      @Harald_Reindl Před rokem

      ​@@Channel-cm7yc nonsense

  • @ThinkingBetter
    @ThinkingBetter Před rokem +1

    Cause we have two ears.

    • @PetraKann
      @PetraKann Před rokem

      But only one wallet (usually)

    • @ThinkingBetter
      @ThinkingBetter Před rokem

      @@PetraKann But many credit cards in the wallet.

    • @PetraKann
      @PetraKann Před rokem

      @@ThinkingBetter Are you sure you are thinking better, ThinkingBetter?

    • @ThinkingBetter
      @ThinkingBetter Před rokem

      @@PetraKann Well, it is a joke. I have 6 credit cards with a total balance of zero. I don’t use them but they serve a credit score value. Indeed I learned a lesson years ago not to use credit cards with those insane interests.

  • @donpayne1040
    @donpayne1040 Před rokem

    Err...

  • @larrywe3320
    @larrywe3320 Před rokem +3

    That 'Power Plant' = $10K ... properly designed Amps should be plugged straight into the wall outlet unless your power grid is malfunctioning. Then , get your electrical wiring repaired and updated

  • @realtalk6340
    @realtalk6340 Před rokem +1

    I own two BHK 300’s, and can guarantee anyone that the power plant neuters power. I’m willing to bet, the main reason the people who are touring will hear a noticeable difference, WITH THE SETUP in this video, is 100% related to that power plant. That power plant will bottle neck clean power. Individual direct power line/outlet connections are the best way to go with HIGH CURRENT amps like these.
    These BHK 600’s deserve a set of Electrostatic Speakers (2channel stereo) connected to a laptop with Tidal music MQA files a la MASTERS, playing.

    • @anonamouse5917
      @anonamouse5917 Před rokem +2

      Have you heard of the MQA scandal?

    • @PetraKann
      @PetraKann Před rokem

      How does you audio set up recommendations affect the music you’re playing and listening to?

    • @V1ralB1ack
      @V1ralB1ack Před rokem +3

      @@anonamouse5917 to be honest mqa always sounded like an extemely stupid idea

    • @realtalk6340
      @realtalk6340 Před rokem

      @@anonamouse5917 that’s all FUD. Mqa is disruptive, that’s why they spread fake FUD.

    • @realtalk6340
      @realtalk6340 Před rokem

      @@PetraKann POWER

  • @stevenoconnor5693
    @stevenoconnor5693 Před rokem

    Would never need it

  • @philipw7058
    @philipw7058 Před rokem

    Your dreaming Paul if you think I’m gonna swallow your reason for price point 😮and that’s pretty narcissistic view with the amount of great manufactures out there

  • @mikepxg6406
    @mikepxg6406 Před rokem

    Unless you sell a lot of these expensive amplifiers your business model does not work.

    • @buckhorncortez
      @buckhorncortez Před rokem

      How can you make that statement when you have no idea what their total business model may be? Their monoblock amplifiers could be "halo" products used as much for image and marketing as for revenue generation.

  • @RyanZNO
    @RyanZNO Před rokem

    I would steer clear of their tech. I purchased a stellar DAC from them and the optical input has never worked properly. I sent it to them for repair and was basically advised that’s just how it is. It’s either cheap parts or poor software, either way unacceptable at this price point.

  • @jasonkillsformomy
    @jasonkillsformomy Před rokem +1

    "Almost profitable" What a load of bull yet again. For example you have loads of unused space in your facility.

  • @hoobsgroove
    @hoobsgroove Před rokem +3

    yes the multiplier is 600% profit you forgot to mention 😂

  • @JonAnderhub
    @JonAnderhub Před rokem

    There's no scientific test data to back up the misleading idea that “special” or “audiophile” speaker wires or expensive cable make a noticeable difference versus affordable, good-quality speaker wires of the correct gauge. 99.9% of the time it's unsubstantiated claims and the difference really does not matter!
    Nothing you do to speaker wire with twists or wraps or reverse osmosis is going to make it transmit sound different or better.

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy Před rokem

      Never actually listened, have you?

    • @JonAnderhub
      @JonAnderhub Před rokem +1

      @@VideoArchiveGuy Actually I have because that is a part of testing these types of snake-oil claims.
      It is easier to fool people then it is to convince them they have been fooled.

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy Před rokem

      @@JonAnderhub The fact that you call them "snake oil" claims shows that you haven't listened to them or you would know they make large and obvious differences.

  • @geddylee501
    @geddylee501 Před rokem +2

    Man this channel has become so tedious, play some music and do us a dance instead paul

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy Před rokem

      Yet here you are, spending time on it.

    • @geddylee501
      @geddylee501 Před rokem +1

      @@VideoArchiveGuy actually no, I read the title, sighed then left a comment, thanks for bringing me back here to write this, more sighs
      (have a great day lol)