Wide Angle Lenses For The Krasnogorsk-3 (updated)
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2016
- An in-depth look at available wide angle lenses for The Krasnogorsk-3, both regular 16mm and Super 16mm versions - and how to achieve the best results. Special Thanks to Jack from Jack's Movie Reviews: / @jacksmoviereviews
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Very informative. Not sure if using 35 mm is much of an option for these camera's but I really appreciate you taking the time to do this video
Couldn't of wished for a better video to compare the two. Thanks
BTW: I know that all radial lines also remain the exact same with fisheye lenses (centered horizontal and vertical are radial lines), but since true radial lines, other than horizontal and vertical, are of rather little importance in cinematography , I didn't mention them for the sake of clarity. The proportions of the 35mm and 16mm film are 100% correct since they come from flatbed scans, which I took of actual film stock. Hope you find this video helpful.
P.S. You might be surprised how many very well known movies make extensive and good use of barrel distortion lenses in a subtle way ("Heat", "Pulp Fiction", "Ex Machina", many a film by Kubrick - and Nolan.....). Thanks for checking out my video.
Thx for these super accurate precisions !
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
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Ive been looking for this exact information for a long long long time
Thank you. Please let me add: you can go actually wider than 25mm with the stock zoom (I'd say 20mm is no problem) if you have the re-centering ring. I need to correct that information. Other than that: all is correct. Glad you find my video helpful!
@@truefilm1556 I was looking for this exact info as well. You mentioned any M42 lens made to cover a 35mm sensor should work with no vignette on the K-3, I assume this is true for the 20mm Mir lenses? Thank you!
Really useful video Christian - I especially like the small section on adapting the Zenitar, I'm going to pull mine out of the draw and follow your instructions :-)
Thanks Adrian! Glad you find the video useful. One roll of Super 16mm footage, all filmed with the Zenitar - from all distances, on its way back. Let's see how the Zenitar performs. Will upload ASAP. It's really easy to take out the pin and lever part.
indeed - just done it less than 5 minutes and I'm all ready to go - thanks for the tip :-)
Awesome! Looking foward to seeing your Zenitar footage :-)
Thank you for making this video. I have a k3 reformatted to super16 and this is exactly what i needed. One question- when we remove the aperture locking pin, should we plug the hole to avoid any moisture getting in the lense? thank you again for making this video, so helpful!
This is Christian (truefilm), writing from another channel. Yes of course, plugging the hole with tape or putty/glue is a good idea. Anything to avoid moisture. I always have de -humifyer in bags (white pearls) around my lenses to keep them dry. Good luck with your K-3 film projects!
I’m glad I came across this video for the zenitar, I did see there are three versions of the lens. I have the Pentax K mount version and was curious if I will need any extra adapter for mounting on the m42?
tnks!!
Very informative, we could add to the range all Pentax M42 lenses as well as third party ones. or all that can be adapted to M42 , and that is a lot.
Absolutely, but wide angle lenses are very hard to come by since the crop factor of the 16mm format makes a lens designed for 35mm still photography appear as if it has twice the focal length (for the sake of simplicity I will not mention depth-of-field). So a 50mm lens is medium/standard in 35mm, but a moderate telephoto in the 16mm format. A non-fisheye 10 or 12mm would be nice, but I asked everywhere: no luck with the M 42 mount. Thanks anyway for the comment!
Great infos
Your videos are excellent and very helpful. I wish some company, like Lomography, perhaps, would remake and relaunch these Russian 16mm and Super 8 cameras, with a few extra conveniences. (Super 16 out of the box, battery power, possibility to add larger external film magazines and so on.) I know they are widely available on Ebay as it is, but it would be nice to be able to get a brand new one and see manufacturing recommence. Perhaps if the new Kodak Super 8 camera ever arrives we will see increased interest in analogue filmmaking and a few new cameras will find their way into the world so we don't have the minefield of reliability issues to worry about when buying used equipment.
Thank you. Well many of the K-3 cameras are mint or unused because back when they were made, few people could afford film. So the only issue with these cameras is quality control (it's a gamble, but most if not all issues can be fixed) and the effort of the widened Super 16mm gate (many if not most have burrs and scratch the film so they need to be polished with very fine sand paper, dipped in fine oil).
Not sure about Lomography. From what I know their philosophy (just have fun and don't worry) is different from what you (and myself) have in mind: upgrading to professional standards. I don't see re-issues of classic Russian film cameras since the blueprints, machines and tooling are very likely long since gone. Only few small parts were injection molded plastic.
There was a short run of K-3 cameras, fitted with a battery powered crystal sync motor (NCS Products, New York), but it's long since sold out.
Seen some efforts to add an external 400ft mag to a K-2 because of its flat top, but none has been completed yet (and the K-2 cameras have Russian bayonet lens mounts only).
16mm is expensive because of the film stock, processing and scanning. The Krasnogorsk models are so inexpensive that any serious upgrade will be way more expensive than the camera itself (even new old stock). It's a better deal buying a second K-3 camera and use it as a second 100ft load in the field.
Let's hope Kodak will finally get their Super 8mm camera out - and that it will provide a boost for analog filmmaking of all kinds (just fun or more "cinematic" looking projects).
Yes, you're probably right. I just felt that as Lomography seem to be the highest profile supporter of analogue/photochemical film and have brought back modern versions of very old lenses, for example, they might be inclined to treat us to a new edition of these charming clockwork cameras at some point. The 8mm/Super 8 ones anyway. In the meantime, I am tempted to get a K-3, and your videos are really informative and inspiring, so thanks again.
My pleasure. Might take some time, but I am planning on making videos about all issues that need to be addressed on the K-3. This camera is in fact fantastic value for money and with the Super 16 upgrade you can get truly professional results. You just need to know the workarounds and be a hands-on DIY guy.
My humble advice: get a Super 16mm K-3 (with re-centering ring installed!), mint or new. You won't regret it.
Old Bolex C mount lenses with C to m42 adapter will do?
what's the equivalent of the look of the zenitar 16mm in full frame? thanks for the video!!
There must be a way of modding the M42 mount to bring the lens closer to the film gate.
just speculating though,
Really useful video! How close can you get to objects while keeping in focus using this lens on the k-3?
Christian (truefilm) here. Can't access my old account. The information is in the video. The Peleng 8 allows for getting as close as .22 meters and the Zenitar 16 allows for .3 meters, both less than a foot. Hope this helps.
How about a MIR-20M 20mm 3.5 lens? for a 4x3 format
Hi. I have a m42 mount the Jena from carl zeiss 18 mm I usually use on my Pentax esii. I have now a K3 . Do you have any recommendation regarding the zoom. My k3 has a super 16mm plate. Thanks lot in advance . Charles
We had a conversation about the Zenitar 16mm a while ago and I wound up getting one for my K-3, partially based on our discussion (I was already considering it). I recently tested the resolution of several lenses, mainly focusing around the Meteor 5:1 zoom but also the 16mm Zenitar. I was somewhat surprised at the results. The Meteor was much sharper at the center but the Zenitar held together at the edges better. I posted a vid if you're interested.
What about using the wide angle Pentax SMC Super Takumar lenses? Do they also have the spring loaded metal pin?
got my hands on a zenitar 16 lens, modified it perfect just to notice the aperture rings don’t correspond when stopping back down, any solution?
Would the vignetting also apply to the Peleng and the zenitar if the camera has been converted to super 16? Thanks for the video by the way, super helpful!
no
Can you please help me. I'm confused on how the ISO knob works on this camera. I just bought one and I don't really understand how the iso settings work on it.
I'm in discussions with an old chap here for a peleng 8. Did you guys had an easy time focusing with this thing? My k3 is a super 16 converted gate and a m42 mount, and tried to focus with that lens, woth no luck what so ever.
is the 16mm of the zenitar that wider compared to the 17 of the kit lens?
has anyone ever used the Sigma 16mm F/2.8 Fisheye MF Lens for Pentax M42 from japan?
Nice video. I own a Tokina 17 mm f/ 3.5 Lens. Those M42 lenses can be found on ebay for reasonable price and are not fisheye lenses. They have minimal distortion and would be an alternative for super 16 converted cameras when you don't want distortion.
Thanks for the tip. Already heard about the Tokina. I know these are older lenses (used only) and harder to find in mint condition with the M 42 mount. Anyway: l'll definitely look into it some more.
I've got that one too. It is a very nice lens.
Hey thanks for the great Video. I just bought a K3 for 35$ + shipping :O. The motor mechanics do not work but i am planning of using an dc motor with an arduino anyways. One guy tried to do it with a k1, very interesting.
Wish me luck :P
Also maybe another mount would be a great idea like a nikon mount cause it has an almost identical flange distance and PL Lenses are too expansive for a little guy like me :)
I think i will do some 3D modelling and see if it can be done.
any information on where to get a peleng for this mount?
My Peleng 8mm won't focus on infinity when attached to the K-3. It seems the T-mount adapter to the M-42 mount is just too thick. Going to see if I can get it ground down a couple millimeters, but the placement of the screws might not allow that much.
How do you focus then? just turn infinity and roll? Measure distance from film plane and shoot?
Does the 17mm - 25mm range vignetting also happen if the camera/lens is recentered with a recentering ring?
Great question! I just bought one, recentered; Haven't recorded yet. Do you know the answer? Or anyone else reading the comment? @truefilm?
@@kanji_nakamoto i got a recentered one too, havn't tested yet but from online forums that ive read it seems to be real and the downside to reformatting to super16 on the k3
@@bamcartley thanks for the tip! I haven't tested yet, it'll take awhile.
Sorry for responding only now. I'm Christian (true film), can't access my old account, will open a new YT channel as soon as I can.
I only opened up to full wide (17mm) once and I didn't get any vignetting, but it wasn't an open scan. From other K-3 footage (clearly Super 16 recentered) here on YT I can see that there is slight vignetting depending on focus and perhaps aperture f-stop.
I would say: if you are willing to do it, try out different shots with 17mm and zoom in slightly in each. I think you will find out that you are fine at all times at about 20mm. The Meteor zoom has done barrel distortion on wider angles (shorter than the standard 25mm), so the Zenitar 16 is perfect. The Super 16 conversion is very much worth it. Found cheap matching 24mm lenses used on ebay. Will get one soon and see if it performs better than the Meteor at the same focal length. Hope this helps.
Hey, I have that Zenitar 16mm! It's a very nice lens.
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Hi @Truefilm, I was trying to get a Peleng 8mm but couldn't it elsewhere online. I notice that you mentioned in the video that they could be found at a few importers, do you mind giving me their names so I can ask them too?
Go to : www.peleng8.com/peleng-8mm-m42.html
Have you ever tested or heard of someone attaching a 2x anamorphic lens adaptor to the camera? Wondering if it renders good results. Was going to try it out with a used 50mm m42 lens.
edison s. Yes, I have seen some 2x anamorphic footage done with the K-3. You obviulusly need an unmodded (regular 16mm) K-3 or any regular 16mm camera. The resulting image is very wide: 1:2.66. That's wider than the cinema standard 1:2.35. You also get a horizontally stretched grain structure and have only half the horizontal resolution as opposed to the full vertical resolution. Still: shooting regular 16mm anamorphic has its own look and can yield pleasant results. For getting in contact with people who actually shoot on regular 16mm with anamorphic lenses, I'd highly recommend checking this facebook goup: facebook.com/groups/8mmand16mmfilmmakersgroup/?ref=bookmarks
Some great members there who have actually shot 2x anamorphic on regular 16mm. I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. Hope this helps!
Thanks so much!
Hi does the Krasnogorsk 1/2 use single perf film?
bruinflight - All Krasnogorsk 16mm film cameras (1, 2 and 3) can use both single and double perf film. Sprockets on one side only.
Only the K-3 uses readily available standard 100ft loads on daylight spools, the K-1 and K-2 used pre-loaded magazines, exclusive to these cameras. If you have a Super 16 modded K-3, you must use single perf anyway. Hope this helps.
truefilm you are awesome for sharing this information! Thanks!!!!!
Thank you! That's what this channel is about: sharing much needed information about film cameras and how to make great movies with them. Please feel free asking any question, I will reply to the best of my knowledge or point you to very reliable sources.
Russian sources have much less information about this, than your channel
Well whatever the reason, the information on my channel comes from my own experience, research and many different sources, including some very talented people who found out how to get the very best out of the K-3. It is a quirky camera, never intended for professional use, and needs care and tweaking, but when it works, it produces fantastic, cinematic images. The Meteor zoom lens that comes with it, is really great, even though it doesn't go to a nice wide angle. It would have been very likely too expensive.