Yet another great Paulie moment. He's way more concerned about Ralphie disrespecting Tony than he is about Tracee's death. At the end he acts like Tony punching Ralph was for disrespecting the bing and realises that Tony is actually feeling bad for the girl's death only after Tony mentions it.
It was extremely disturbing to see that happen and then watch Ralphie just walk away!! I cannot believe he just left it out in the open like that!! Ralph should have had the decency to cover the carcass with some old cardboard, a few bags of other garbage, or at least tossed it over the guard rail so it would be out of sight. The last thing they need is more heat and attention drawn to the Bing. If Paulie wants to get upset about something, it should be about people being careless with where they leave carcasses laying around. And besides, Ralphie was a made guy and was well within his right.
None of them really cared about the girl. I mean, these are career criminals who turn on their own all the time. Why’d they give two shits about her specifically?
@@G4MBIT Tony cared, if only because he has a daughter. When he went to therapy the next day, Tracee is the employee that he referred to as a he who died from work related causes. He also said "Sad when they go so young." Tony was so shook up that he was holding back tears. When I first saw it, I assumed Tony was talking about Ralph & felt sorry for himself for breaking their code of conduct by beating up a made man.
Phill Leotardo probably had the most empathy out of these mobsters. Ralph certainly was the most evil character in the show by far, but Paulie literally murdered an old woman so seeing a girl who was beaten to death probably didn’t phase him.
@@neverbeganforme Because Ralph beat an innocent girl to death, and has no redeeming qualities at all if you watched the show. Tony was evil without a doubt, but he had some redeeming qualities and some empathy for others although most of that disappears by the time of the 6th season sure. But Ralph is just the personification of evil, a completely rotten individual.
They all leave out that not only did he brutally kill a girl and his child in the parking lot but then just left her there for literally anyone, cop or civilian, to come across and didnt say a word about her being dead. When questioned he says she slipped and fell had it not been for his hand noone would have even checked. That to me is a little more than simply disrespecting the Bing or the guys, he would have been killed for putting them all in that position. Ralphie would have probably not even been there when the police arrested everybody else or caught them in the act of trying to move her.
Something that makes this scene especially chilling is how indignant Ralph is about Tony hitting him- like he genuinely can't understand why anyone would be so appalled that he'd just beaten a woman to death in a parking lot. His moral compass is so twisted that In his mind he was just exercising his rights and Tony is being unfair to him.
Ralph always had moral issues but I think when he got passed over for captain that really sent him over the edge. Tracee was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Can we take time to appreciate how much of a talented actor Joe Pantoliano is? The fact that he's able to make the persona of a character many fans seem to despise just speaks for itself.
He's a really underutilized actor IMHO, but whenever he appears he knocks it out of the park. He's very distinctive, and while he has amazing range he also has a particular sort of manner about him, much like say Jeff Goldblum or Robert Downey Jr., which makes him a perfect character actor.
Tracee had a young son that she neglected and physically abused. I believe the show stated Ralph was also abused by his mom. I think when she said “do you feel like a man” it triggered something and he put all of his rage and anger towards his own mom on Tracee. We never saw this level of violence from Ralph or any other character from the show. That’s saying a lot! I think this reaction from Ralph is on par with Tony telling Gloria, “I didn’t just meet you, I’ve known you my whole life”
You never saw anything this brutal on TV before this. This scene reminds us that, despite the fact that they're quick-witted and funny, they're cold blooded killers. Sociopathic monsters
Unfortunately it’s an all to common reality that if it’s not brought to people’s attention it gets excepted as the norm and women believe this is something they did wrong. It’s a horrifying truth but it needs to be addressed
If some of you didn’t know after this episode the show lost a major amount of viewship, in my opinion this was not because of the violence being shown because other very successful films and tv shows would show this type of violence. the reason why this scene swayed people away from the show is because of the reactions of other characters about the incident being absolutely uncaring about the girl. This scene was a reminder that these people weren’t funny criminals with hearts of gold but bloodthirsty monsters with lost morals.
i agree, i just started the show-just passed this episode two days ago. when this scene happened, i was in shock. i started crying and had this intense feeling of dread. not to make it dramatic or anything since this is a show…but there’s often truth in myth. even though i’ve been watching other episodes, this one has not left my mind and i’m still considering stopping the show
There was a scene later on where Tony sees Tracee's image when Meadow is walking carrying a pot at a family Christmas party. Yeah she reminded him of his daughter.
I think Tony mourned for this girl deeply and could never adequately express it until his last confrontation with Ralph, although it was ostensibly about the horse. Even within a ruthless mob world, her murder stands out in his mind as a particularly senseless and vicious crime. Tony was very skilled at masking this grief and carrying on his callous Mob Boss image, seeming as though he was more upset about things like profit loss and "Disrespecting The Bing", but when he stood over her body...he knew he would eventually kill Ralph in the same way for what he's done, Made Man or not. If nobody else was around, he probably would have impulsively beaten him to death and cleaned up the mess, making like Ralph simply vanished that very same night. With that many eyes on him and considering the nature of Mafia politics, he handled this very carefully...only taking action after biding his time and waiting for the perfect opportunity. He knew exactly how to exploit and inflame Ralph's psychopathic narcissism, and continued doing business with him afterward while gradually needling and slighting him, fully intending for things to go sour and ultimately end in profit loss and conflict...The "Horse fire" served as Tony's "perfect mob reasoning" for killing a made man should anyone connect Ralph's sudden disappearance back to him, as well as the catalyst for a violent explosion of vengeful, pent-up grief over the death of an innocent woman, one that reminded him of his own daughter at times. Silvio, as flippant as he was, seemed to be the one associate that was most acutely aware of Tony's thoughts and feelings, as well as where the "Ralph situation" might be headed. Luckily, he hated him too. Seems like he subtly floated the idea to Tony over dinner, veiled as a suggestion to make peace. " *Either make him disappear...or make nice* ." Tracee also worked for Sil and she owed him three grand. That scene was one of his angriest moments...and he's never getting that money because of Ralph. who knows...maybe Ralph *didn't* actually start that fire? I remember Tony looking up at the broken lightbulb in the burnt stable...and glancing at a nearby goat...which, in Catholic symbology, represents Baphomet... as well as " *oppressive, wicked, and unrepentant men* " who will inevitably receive judgement. Curiously, only moments before Ralph's demise, Tony mentions "Corky Iannucci", who *Silvio* had previously hired to burn down Arthur's restaurant and *did excellent work* , an event that was *ruled as an accidental electrical fire* ...and something Tony had so vehemently denied any involvement with, that I almost believed him myself...even knowing the truth. Fucking great writing.
I would argue the only reason Tony didn’t kill Ralph over trace was because she wasn’t “innocent” and Ralph’s justification was she’s a “huowahh”, gangsters doing gangster shit. Killing people that in their minds aren’t good people- rats included. but when the horse died it truly was innocent, and his justification was it’s just “horse” where Tony get justified in avenging the innocent creature.
@@arky1790Yepp and remember when Tony took Ralph’s girl and then regretted it what did he say “well I already took his horse “ I died laughing at that he coulda been really genuine bout that but to compare a broad to a horse that was wild
Tony was violent and hypocritical. But he wasn't the kind of evil Ralph was. When it came to animals, babies, and in this case a pregnant 20 year old, he does show some kind of humanity. Unlike the rest of his crew.
Nah dude tony is just as bad...he has orchestrated much worse....hes not some angel and Ironically enough Ralph of all people proved that tony is just as much of a demon he is.
@@lewisner that was insane as well . No proof it was him but he brutally murders the guy in his own home lol . I still think Paulie burned down the stables as revenge for the phone call Ralph made to his mother
It is kind of bizarre because it would be pretty obvious they were open based on them using playing and the cars and the big sign that says open. Instead you go ask a bunch of cold gangsters in the corner
You know what the coldest and most disturbing thing about this was? When he said “look at you now” after brutally and horrifically beating her to death and then just walking off like it was nothing, leaving her corpse there to rot like it was a piece of trash.
@@okyggtty he was definitely dangerous and sadistic but Richie I feel had a code of sorts and was more about business and respect But Ralphie was just a straight up loose cannon you never really know what he was gonna due
Rewatching the scene, I noticed something new. When ralphie starts going crazy, he punches Tracy once in the face and then twice in the stomach before she falls down. So he intentionally was punching the unborn baby. That's chilling
She genuinely loved Ralphie. Her voice broke when she said "I love you " Then to see how he suddenly switched and turned on her .All the time just viciously messing with her mind. It was a heartbreaking scene .
Deep, deep down, Tony had a heart. I remember hoping he'd kill Ralphie, and I think he would have if he hadn't been held back. Great writing and acting in this scene.
Gore4ever FulciLives Interestingly and albeit disconcerting, there seems to be many people who legitimately stand by the characters or at least their actions and behaviors. I don’t think its much debate that Chris (for example) is a psychopath and that Tony is a textbook sociopath (at the very least), displaying behaviors not to be followed by. However I have seen people attempt to justify and swear by the characters actions and behaviors, as if their actions are not evil and are in fact just. Many times it comes along with a “they are just soldiers doing their duty” complex. Its only natural to want to “root” for the characters you come to know, but god damn. These guys are straight up terrible people with no shred of good in them. The only time a good act is committed is when it benefits them. Make no mistake
Ralph was totally oblivious to the fact Tony had caught paternal feelings for Tracee. Tracee, unlike Meadow, respected Tony and cared about what he said. She brought him something, even as silly as a loaf of bread as opposed to taking constantly with little gratitude. Most importantly, she didn't judge him. Tony saw her as innocent, in spite of her mental health problems. Ralph signed his death warrant that night in the parking lot of the Bing, and good fucking riddance. He had no idea how badly he fucked up hurting that girl. When T boxes something into the 'innocent' category, you best not lay hands on it.
I think Tony was looking for an excuse to kill Ralph. I don't think he ever gave a shit about the horse that was killed in the fire. He was just looking to kill Ralph for being a sub human scumbag.
@@lickgirlsassholes4380 Dude, he put Noah, the black guy Meadow was banging in the 'innocent' corner. He could have killed him if he wanted. Civilians, even wonder bread wops like Cooze are 'innocent'. It's okay to rip them off and bleed their system dry, but Tony would never violently hurt a civilian for no reason. Tony recognized that Tracee could have been Meadow but instead was a self-deluding single mother hooked up with a psycho piece of shit. He saw her paternally (giving her genuine advice about Ralph) which makes his final comments to her so sad. He brushed her off and then Ralph beat her to death. She was a 'beautiful innocent creature', like the ducks, and that's why he went batshit and murdered Ralph.
It's amazing how so many people still can't accept a person can be good and bad. Tony was evil by the end of the show but it would have taken a lot for him to murder a girl like Ralph did here. Good and bad qualities can live right beside each other in humans. The guys on the show weren't serial killers they had loved ones and family. They also were willing to murder for the right reason anytime they felt like it
F****** thank you.. like Tony is a bad guy but I do not think he is a sociopath. He never goes out of his way to hurt someone who is not involved in the life, he's still an asshole tho no doubt
"Tracee's death and limited minutes on the show left a huge impact on audiences too, some of whom cancelled their HBO subscriptions after seeing the episode. " From an article online. You gotta remember how ground breakingly gritty this show was for the time.
It's still grittier than every other show I've seen. Yeah it's not as graphically violent as some of the stuff on TV nowadays, but when there's violence, it feels real and senseless. You feel the impact of the stuff that happens. Maybe you see people get decapitated in GOT, but seeing a woman get beaten to death in Sopranos has power that isn't found in other works
David Chase deliberately made this episode shocking and graphic, as he felt that the audience was finding many if the characters on the show too likeable, and needed reminding that they're pieces of shit that murder, maim and extort people for a living.
This episode (and specially this scene) was definitely the one who left the biggest impression on me. This death was impactful. It helps that the whole episode spent most of its runtime emphasizing the contrast between Meadow and Tracee's life. This really was shocking, cold, graphic, brutal... I don't have the words. I think the worst part is when you realize how real this is. How some people are born with the world at their feet while others might spend their whole life scraping for nothing and still get decimated by life. Perhaps I'm reading too much into these. Regardless, this is the episode that impacted me the most.
This scene definitely left an impression on me too, when I first saw it I couldn't get it out of my head for like a week!!! And it screwed with tony too when he looked at Meadow and then saw Tracee, can you imagine some cocksucker just taking your daughters life like that?!?!?! I don't care who it was, a made man, a soldier, John Gotti himself, I don't care...... he would die
Truly horrific and horrible to watch. The yelps and cries that you hear her make as he relentlessly beats her, and the complete absence of emotion he feels. It’s monstrous, and it happens every single day somewhere in the world.
I always get pushback but I still say that when Tony was killing Ralph and said "She was a beautiful creature, what'd she ever do to you...she was innocent, and you killed her." or something like that it wasn't just about the horse.
Ralph really was the most terrifying character for me. The fucked up sex, the gratuitous violence for people who didn't even deserve it, you could tell this dude had demons who got the better of him.
@@naylik2562 He went thru sexual abuse, tony tried asking him and he just said “she had her demanding ways” then when tony kept pushing w the asking he says “i gotta go”
Crazy how Tony and Silvio were the only ones that stood and watched Tracee for a few seconds more. They both have daughters who were around the same age as her, which shook them to their core knowing it could’ve been theirs. Edit: There’s a scene where Tony is talking to Meadow in their house and when he looks at her, it pans to Tracee for a split second. Unsure which episode this takes place in.
Adriana probably was young enough to be his daughter as well, and she was very close to him being Chrissy's fiancee for years...he still wacked her and expressed no remorse over it. That's not just him, that's the whole bunch of them, they'll hug you and kill you in minutes. They're all selfish psychos trying to put on a man of honor front and the show actually does a phenomenal job displaying it.
@Loko Strangula I think Silvio cared the most out of the whole situation. Not only was someone killed on his property, his employee is dead, the son of her needs to taken care of. I mean if you murder a random women it’ll take a-lot of favors from the cops to clear that up.
Ralph was top earner, but his personality was volatile. Tony was forced to make difficult decisions and even violate the Mafia Code (you can't touch "made man" like that)
"20 years old this girl"...then cuts to a scene of Meadow in a school library...that is why Tony was pissed, it could have been his daughter in another life.
I binge watched this show last weekend....first time watcher. This show had ALOT of senseless deaths. This one to me stuck out the most....it just showed how evil Ralphie really was
I'm only on season 3, but this seems like the most brutal death so far. Something about a man beating a pregnant woman to death is way more brutal than all of the men getting shot, for some reason lol.
As horrible as the scene was, I burst out laughing at Ralph's lie, comes in looking disheveled, hand bleeding, immediately puts it on ice and just says 'she slipped.' Ralph's normally a great liar, not like him to pull such a terrible lie out of his ass.
The Sopranos to me is a true paradox in the way it makes you laugh even when you shouldn’t. I get that there are other stuff like that like Tarantino movies or basically anything British and whatnot, but there’s something about the way The Sopranos does it that resonates much more than any other piece of entertainment I’ve ever seen.
it's both funny and disturbing because of his lack of remorse. To him the lie was just a formality, he knows that a normal person would try to lie about what they did but he cares so little that he completely half asses it.
True! It was hard to watch this even when you know that's just acting out a scene from a tv show but still, it's very disturbing to watch and feel disgusted with Italians and mobs.
Yeah I always thought that Tony saw a lot of Meadow in Tracey, which was why he acted so fatherly towards her. Maybe in his mind he feared this is what Meadow could end up becoming.
@@barbiquearea nobody couldn't even smash Meadow without Tony cutting off their canoli so I seriously doubt they would even consider knocking her off without the same consequence being the man he is but I guess fatherhood does that
str8 '88 Yeah like...Tony curbstomped a guy because he made a dick sucking joke to Meadow. I'm pretty sure all of northern Jersey would be on fire if somebody killed Meadow this way.
@@anthonyitaliano7316 the whole damn state for that matter for which i couldn't blame him & i don't even have kids. You don't violate no mans children whether he's a mob boss or not
I love this scene! Its so raw. The punching is canned but I love how Ralphie goes medieval and the way he says whooore lol - Tony adds the icing on the cake when he says she was only 20! Man I miss JG! RIP
Paulie: “he was way outta line” Tony: “she was 20 years old” Paulie: “that too” Just goes to show you the level of sociopathy you’re dealing with when punching another mobster is viewed worse as murdering an innocent young woman
@@Jamie-ee4ll But the people are. I know of people who are well to do, college educated and worse. These guys here come from the streets, and the do not hide who they are.
@@justanotherguy469 Take it easy... not all the mafiosos are the same. Just know that at the end almost all of them are dead, in jail, and the family is practically disbanded. This here is a crime done bad show
All jokes aside about how Ralph says "huawah", this scene sealed the absolute hatred thst I had for Ralph. Yeah, i know thst pretty much all of the main characters were psychopaths, but this scene was gut wrenching.
1:28.....always found that punch to her stomach one of the worst, knowing she's pregnant. Hits her hard enough to actually lift her off her feet. The rest is self explanatory. Ralph was the worst POS. Gigi's assessment of him was spot on.
Most of them were psychopaths, just like Ralph. Difference was, Ralph was also a sadist. He got a kick out of abusing others physically and psychologically. Him getting high made him behave even worse. That's what made him more unlikeable than other characters imo.
@Hyper jones Why does this stuff tick you off so much? I've seen your replies copied and pasted over an unhealthy amount of threads in this comment section.
This scene made me think in Tony as a human being and not just as a mobster. I think the whole show he struggled between his education of don't giving a fuck about people and just carrying on the business, and the part of him that actually felt something for other's people emotions. When this things happened, he always excuse himself with "You disrespect the business" or "You disrespect me", but in reality he is having an internal fight between his ego and his empathy with others. It's kinda sad, tragic, that he never could make a choice about the kind of person he wanted to be. Sorry for my english.
At the end of the day, Tony Soprano was a complete piece of shit of a human being. One of the worst kind of humans. He was absolutely a mobster who murdered, stole, cheated, was a hypocrite, a racist, a bigot, and an incredibly selfish and insecure person but what made the character so damn interesting to watch is that small slice of “good” that was trying to flourish and grow but was always being suppressed by his character and himself. He didn’t stand a chance being a child to a mobster but as an adult, he knew what right and wrong was and absolutely had the potential and ability to change. He just didn’t give a fuck! Lol
Then you missed the point here. They felt a bit distressed for her and that's it. It's like a tiny little bit of humanity comming to surface, but then they just remember that they had to hide her corpse and life goes on for them until the same happens to another girl.
@Hyper jones He didn't kill her for Tony, yeah he had no problem killing her to hide his crimes, but it's not like this was a mob hit. He didn't set out to kill an old lady for fun that day.
While certainly being a disturbing, disgusting scene, you almost have to step back from the screen and acknowledge how good of an actor Joe Pantoliano is. He's always good and I've seen him in numerous movies.
Maybe..... Just speculating here, but no one told her to run away from home and start stripping . I’m sure drugs were heavily involved ! Not condoning violence, but the saying goes when you sleep with dogs, don’t be surprised if you wake up with fleas
Paulie is a certified goon. Never questions any act by the boss. Ralphie was out of line because Tony hit him. So Ralphie must have been out of line. You understand? You get it? In Paulie's warped mind, the girl being killed was secondary to Tony viewing Ralphie as being out of line. But, yes they are all scum bound for hell.
@@crc3387 it’s just a lighthearted analogy you d*ck. I’m sure I’ve met my match in the intellectual powerhouse that is crc3387 with such a witty and original response
Same here. Tracee might be the most tragic character who was only on a few times. There's a parallel though to Meadow's suicidal roommate Caitlin, who was mocked and neglected by Meadow and her idiot boyfriend, who practically pushed her to kill herself. Some people find the violence in Sopranos to be funny. If anybody finds this amusing they are well on their way to bona fide psychopathville.
Teebz 1000 I still love thinking back to _Pine Barrens_ and wondering if the Russian commando survived the probable headshot. If anyone could, it's that interior decorator who killed 16 Czechoslovakians.
+Sonia Ovey i was like in the 3rd grade 1st time i watch it with my grandmother we stopped watching sopranos for a lil minute after that it was that fucked up
Meadow and Tracy were the same age, but one was shattered and confused because she was being exploited and was about to have a son of a nefarious man, in the other hand, Meadow was mad because her boyfriend dumped her. It's amazing to see how much your life changes depending on where you're born.
Meadow had a silver spooned life this girl didn't and was dysfunctional because of her mum abusing her and stuff not to mention she fell in with Ralphie and took his abuse as well
Every scene of this series is so well acted and thought out . You can see Tony taking his time looking at the young girl thinking of his own daughter. And it gives us this feeling for Tony that he actually has a human side. Such a complicated portrayal of his character and I love that they give us these glimpses into different attributes of the characters. And Ralph wrote his own death sentence here. It was just a matter of time after this.
Giving Tony more human moments like that was great and made him a more compelling character. Don't think so many would have rooted for him if he was just 100% evil throughout
Yes. But that's the Sopranos' craft. You feel you're encountering someone humane and just like us when you look at Tony in a scene like that but he's still basically an evil bastard criminal in the end and his humanity is just an ornate, gilded sentimentality by which he continually justifies his depravity and narcissism. Though he's more for sure than the pathological geyser of filth that is Ralphie.
Tony has a human side? Why didn't he show it when other men were being beaten and murdered? Why does he suddenly have a human side when he gets a tiny bit upset over Tracy?
@@concept5631 can't remember his name nut it was in the first season meadow was on a date with boyfriend at the time and the guy came over talking crap it got back to tony he showed up at the restaurant beat the crap out the guy put his head on the stairs and smashed teeth everywhere
Somebody once said at this point in the show it had started to become more of a comedy than a drama and was losing that dramatic element. This scene right here proves exactly why the Sopranos is truly such a dark and violent show. Like Silvio says quoting the godfather, "just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in". Just incredible acting by everyone in this scene
That guy was correct. The Sopranos had some of the funniest writing and acting in a tv series ever. Just compare this to crap like Big Bang Teory that tries to be funny and fail in the worst possible way. The writers deserve so much credit. And then things like this happen. It's a good mix.
This scene and it’s setup was a masterful way to make you loath Ralphy’s character. It makes it even more conflicting when you actually begin to feel bad for Ralph at the end of his arc despite knowing the awful things he has done. Amazingly written television.
i love how out of all of them tony was the one actually feeling something about the death of the young girl because he has his own, then cuts to meadow
The whole episode was a contrast between Meadow and Tracee. Meadow is trying to deal with her issues surrounding school and life in the big city while Tracee is trying to deal with her issues relating to her job at the Bing and her relationship with Ralph. It's no coincidence that the scene where Meadow gets dumped by her boyfriend happens right after Tracee is violently beaten to death by her own boyfriend.
@Loko Strangula Yeah he has to keep his bitches in line sometimes but murdering a young prego whooah is a whole different ballpark and you could see visible disgust.
This was morally reprehensible and hard to watch. Can’t believe Tony hit a made guy.
@Saku Satola I see what you did there
Ralph is easily the most degenerate of 'em all
Had us in the first half
creates a little dysentery amongst the ranks
Rofl
"20 years old this girl."
*Phil pops out from behind a bush* "That's how long I was in the can!"
How's the abyss looking Freidrich?
@@ernstthalmann4306 It keeps staring at me.
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"Tracee, she slipped.. we were arguing... I dunno. She fell."
Iron clad story there Ralph. 😂 No jury would convict him.
What do you think he would thought would happed by leaving a dead woman outsite the nightclub? Or was he in fact even thinking about it at all?
Funny because Ralph is a damn good liar and gaslighter. He just couldn't be bothered after spending all his energy beating her to death.
Tony: "She fell?"
Ralphie: "That's my story."
She didn't slip; she crawled under that rail for warmth.
Could’ve said she was mugged
Yet another great Paulie moment. He's way more concerned about Ralphie disrespecting Tony than he is about Tracee's death. At the end he acts like Tony punching Ralph was for disrespecting the bing and realises that Tony is actually feeling bad for the girl's death only after Tony mentions it.
"That too" classic Paulie
It was extremely disturbing to see that happen and then watch Ralphie just walk away!! I cannot believe he just left it out in the open like that!! Ralph should have had the decency to cover the carcass with some old cardboard, a few bags of other garbage, or at least tossed it over the guard rail so it would be out of sight. The last thing they need is more heat and attention drawn to the Bing. If Paulie wants to get upset about something, it should be about people being careless with where they leave carcasses laying around. And besides, Ralphie was a made guy and was well within his right.
None of them really cared about the girl. I mean, these are career criminals who turn on their own all the time. Why’d they give two shits about her specifically?
Remember, how when Paulie finds out about Chrissie killing Adriana's dog, he's genuinely curious, "What, was it barking?"
@@G4MBIT Tony cared, if only because he has a daughter. When he went to therapy the next day, Tracee is the employee that he referred to as a he who died from work related causes. He also said "Sad when they go so young." Tony was so shook up that he was holding back tears. When I first saw it, I assumed Tony was talking about Ralph & felt sorry for himself for breaking their code of conduct by beating up a made man.
Ralph's biggest achievement in life was surviving the rest of that night.
My god
if the others weren't there to pull Tony off, he wouldn't have
He was also a good earner
Pay him a trip to the hospital, just look at how much he earns
@@haydeng3316 damn right. Second time there was no one to stop Tony. Ralph's luck ran out.
The way Ralphie just walks in like he did nothing wrong is insane
He did nothing wrong
Dude was a Sociopath.
Legalize murder
She was a hoo-ar.
He was made, end of story!
4:06 “That too” Paulie wasn’t even thinking about the murder. These fucking guys are so unbelievably sociopathic
Only Tony had some empathy
No shit.
Phill Leotardo probably had the most empathy out of these mobsters. Ralph certainly was the most evil character in the show by far, but Paulie literally murdered an old woman so seeing a girl who was beaten to death probably didn’t phase him.
@@Alex-bs1iuwhy was Ralph the most “evil” when the main character is literally Tony Soparno. Evil is his middle name.
@@neverbeganforme Because Ralph beat an innocent girl to death, and has no redeeming qualities at all if you watched the show. Tony was evil without a doubt, but he had some redeeming qualities and some empathy for others although most of that disappears by the time of the 6th season sure. But Ralph is just the personification of evil, a completely rotten individual.
No one ever said the word ‘houwah’ better than him😂
Karen in Goodfellas
The way he bashed her face into that steel barrier was so awesome!!! 💥 😵💫💥😵💫💥💥💥👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻😵
what is wrong with his pronunciation?
@@pulse4503 who said there’s anything wrong with it?
@@k-baye6292 nahhh not even close😂
I love how Ralph’s plan was to go back inside and just play it off.
Cocaine, mehn!
He didn't think much of it like he said she was a hoore
For real, how hard would it have been to take care of this himself?
he had no idea tony was so close to her lol and that he would him, which noone suspects anyone would do to a made guy
She fell
It’s wild to think that during this girls entire life, Phil Leotardo was spending 20 years in the can. And not a peep about it!
He was eating grilled cheese off the radiator while she was in diapers
its insane she wasnt counting her age in "phil years"
4:06 even Silvio Dante was beyond disturbed by this .... Outstanding acting by Steven Van Zandt
In his first role, no less. Insane talent.
No. He is just coping with the fact that he won't get his $3000 back now.
@@YD-uq5fi4:11.
Paulie: he was way out of line
Tony: 20 years old this girl
Paulie: That too
20 fucking years
I wonder how she took her grilled cheese
I was going to post the exact same comment, but you saved me the trouble of having to do it.
@@chuckharding6405 you still messing with lil boys???
@@DatAnimalBlundetto why don't you take a seat???
He murdered a kid and his unborn baby but.....
the most important thing is ......
RALPHIE DISRESPECTED THE BING!
That was just Tony's excuse.
that too
The rules are the rules.
The Switcher What do say, what do you hear?
They all leave out that not only did he brutally kill a girl and his child in the parking lot but then just left her there for literally anyone, cop or civilian, to come across and didnt say a word about her being dead. When questioned he says she slipped and fell had it not been for his hand noone would have even checked. That to me is a little more than simply disrespecting the Bing or the guys, he would have been killed for putting them all in that position. Ralphie would have probably not even been there when the police arrested everybody else or caught them in the act of trying to move her.
The way Ralph says “you little howah” 1:05 😂
Seeing the ''most replayed'' display over the exact moment Tony decides to make his fists do the talking....gives me some hope for humanity.
Yeah, cause Tony was such an angel himself...
@@MrRazorblade999 ralphie was worse. tony was violent and hypocritical but ralphie imo was downright inhuman.
@@cloacal_kissing lol Yeah, evil is all relative I guess...
@@MrRazorblade999How is that relevant?
Wdym most replayed display
Something that makes this scene especially chilling is how indignant Ralph is about Tony hitting him- like he genuinely can't understand why anyone would be so appalled that he'd just beaten a woman to death in a parking lot. His moral compass is so twisted that In his mind he was just exercising his rights and Tony is being unfair to him.
Being made is pretty much a license to kill, she is just another civilian in their eyes to be exploited.
In Ralph’s mind she slipped and fell
yeah he's made dude, you can't touch a made guy
Ralph always had moral issues but I think when he got passed over for captain that really sent him over the edge. Tracee was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No no. Tony got upset over Ralph disrespecting the place. Not so much the bitch dying.
"Go get him." I love how Gandolfini says that.
You can hear the anger in his words. You know he's fucking pissed!
@@bobpage6597 It's funny because he knew where Ralph was first, as if Ralph was going to all of a sudden split the scene!
It would have been nice to hear Junior say "Oh really ? What's this motherless fucks name ?"
Agreed. The "Go get him" was delivered perfectly
It’s legendary. Say no more.
Can we take time to appreciate how much of a talented actor Joe Pantoliano is? The fact that he's able to make the persona of a character many fans seem to despise just speaks for itself.
He was definitely the guy we loved to hate.
I'm surprised Janice didn't shoot him like she shot Richie! 😂😂😂😂
Party box is in the background where pussy meets the fbi agent. Really trying to hide those meet ups
Just like Momento
He's a really underutilized actor IMHO, but whenever he appears he knocks it out of the park. He's very distinctive, and while he has amazing range he also has a particular sort of manner about him, much like say Jeff Goldblum or Robert Downey Jr., which makes him a perfect character actor.
Fr he’s criminally underrated
Tracee had a young son that she neglected and physically abused. I believe the show stated Ralph was also abused by his mom. I think when she said “do you feel like a man” it triggered something and he put all of his rage and anger towards his own mom on Tracee. We never saw this level of violence from Ralph or any other character from the show. That’s saying a lot! I think this reaction from Ralph is on par with Tony telling Gloria, “I didn’t just meet you, I’ve known you my whole life”
That’s almost serial killer shit right there
Very allegorical
@@noahmijo Dr. Laura ovah here
@@hmdwgf They're basically all glorified serial killers
So he abused her ? 🤔🤔
Tony: "20 years old this girl."
Paulie: "What, was it barking?"
Lol
Phil Leotardo: “20 fuckin’ years!”
L.ao
Pauli didn't have kids, so he didn't understand nor sympathize.
Hahahaha
They never caught the two black guys who were seen running away.
Lol good one
Hey, you got a a phone?! Come on, you got a phone! Two ******* just stole my truck. Can you fucking believe that shit!
Ah, those two guys.
@AK Jay At least it wasn't a shinebox comment.
@AK Jay varsity athelt
You never saw anything this brutal on TV before this. This scene reminds us that, despite the fact that they're quick-witted and funny, they're cold blooded killers. Sociopathic monsters
That's what I thought.
Agreed this should be banished from the public eye
@@pulse4503 overly sensitive mofo
Unfortunately it’s an all to common reality that if it’s not brought to people’s attention it gets excepted as the norm and women believe this is something they did wrong. It’s a horrifying truth but it needs to be addressed
@@pulse4503You're the reason movies have gone woke.
If some of you didn’t know after this episode the show lost a major amount of viewship, in my opinion this was not because of the violence being shown because other very successful films and tv shows would show this type of violence. the reason why this scene swayed people away from the show is because of the reactions of other characters about the incident being absolutely uncaring about the girl. This scene was a reminder that these people weren’t funny criminals with hearts of gold but bloodthirsty monsters with lost morals.
i agree, i just started the show-just passed this episode two days ago. when this scene happened, i was in shock. i started crying and had this intense feeling of dread. not to make it dramatic or anything since this is a show…but there’s often truth in myth.
even though i’ve been watching other episodes, this one has not left my mind and i’m still considering stopping the show
@@kazzle_dazzle6
You’re a little too emotional.
“She fell?” “That’s my story” lol
"It's my fault she's a klutz?"
Proceeds to get his ass kicked, lol ...
Sent that broad to slip and fall school.
Knew that beating was coming the minute Ralphie tried to be smartass about this
That Hooer was always slipping on things
@@markkruda3834 She never had the makings of a varsity guardrail
The girl was basically the same age as Tony's daughter. I think that's what really got to him.
@Hyper jones Sil didn’t beat her to death, along with unborn baby.
Thats why he has that moment when he looks at his daughter in his house
She was a hoah.
@@Ezio999Auditore 🤣
There was a scene later on where Tony sees Tracee's image when Meadow is walking carrying a pot at a family Christmas party. Yeah she reminded him of his daughter.
I think Tony mourned for this girl deeply and could never adequately express it until his last confrontation with Ralph, although it was ostensibly about the horse. Even within a ruthless mob world, her murder stands out in his mind as a particularly senseless and vicious crime. Tony was very skilled at masking this grief and carrying on his callous Mob Boss image, seeming as though he was more upset about things like profit loss and "Disrespecting The Bing", but when he stood over her body...he knew he would eventually kill Ralph in the same way for what he's done, Made Man or not. If nobody else was around, he probably would have impulsively beaten him to death and cleaned up the mess, making like Ralph simply vanished that very same night. With that many eyes on him and considering the nature of Mafia politics, he handled this very carefully...only taking action after biding his time and waiting for the perfect opportunity. He knew exactly how to exploit and inflame Ralph's psychopathic narcissism, and continued doing business with him afterward while gradually needling and slighting him, fully intending for things to go sour and ultimately end in profit loss and conflict...The "Horse fire" served as Tony's "perfect mob reasoning" for killing a made man should anyone connect Ralph's sudden disappearance back to him, as well as the catalyst for a violent explosion of vengeful, pent-up grief over the death of an innocent woman, one that reminded him of his own daughter at times.
Silvio, as flippant as he was, seemed to be the one associate that was most acutely aware of Tony's thoughts and feelings, as well as where the "Ralph situation" might be headed. Luckily, he hated him too. Seems like he subtly floated the idea to Tony over dinner, veiled as a suggestion to make peace.
" *Either make him disappear...or make nice* ."
Tracee also worked for Sil and she owed him three grand. That scene was one of his angriest moments...and he's never getting that money because of Ralph.
who knows...maybe Ralph *didn't* actually start that fire? I remember Tony looking up at the broken lightbulb in the burnt stable...and glancing at a nearby goat...which, in Catholic symbology, represents Baphomet... as well as " *oppressive, wicked, and unrepentant men* " who will inevitably receive judgement.
Curiously, only moments before Ralph's demise, Tony mentions "Corky Iannucci", who *Silvio* had previously hired to burn down Arthur's restaurant and *did excellent work* , an event that was *ruled as an accidental electrical fire* ...and something Tony had so vehemently denied any involvement with, that I almost believed him myself...even knowing the truth.
Fucking great writing.
I think the point is to show Tony's fucked up mindset, he would kill ralphie over a horse but not this young girl
It wasn't about the horse it was about Tony's crippling gambling addiction which directly affected Ralph's pockets as we've seen
I would argue the only reason Tony didn’t kill Ralph over trace was because she wasn’t “innocent” and Ralph’s justification was she’s a “huowahh”, gangsters doing gangster shit. Killing people that in their minds aren’t good people- rats included. but when the horse died it truly was innocent, and his justification was it’s just “horse” where Tony get justified in avenging the innocent creature.
@@arky1790Yepp and remember when Tony took Ralph’s girl and then regretted it what did he say “well I already took his horse “ I died laughing at that he coulda been really genuine bout that but to compare a broad to a horse that was wild
This scene made me teary, poor Tracee and all the Tracees out there.
Tony was violent and hypocritical. But he wasn't the kind of evil Ralph was.
When it came to animals, babies, and in this case a pregnant 20 year old, he does show some kind of humanity. Unlike the rest of his crew.
Nah dude tony is just as bad...he has orchestrated much worse....hes not some angel and Ironically enough Ralph of all people proved that tony is just as much of a demon he is.
Whipping Zellman with a belt in front of Irina was infuriating but I tend to agree I didn't see this level of brute sadism from many other characters.
He didn't kill Ralphie though. It took a horse to make him do that.
@@lewisner that was insane as well . No proof it was him but he brutally murders the guy in his own home lol . I still think Paulie burned down the stables as revenge for the phone call Ralph made to his mother
@@unbiasedcritic3075 Tony wanted to kill Ralph and the horse was just an excuse.
"She was a beautiful innocent creature. What'd she ever do to you!!!!"
VERY underrated comment right here
He means the horse.
she was a hewah
Tony aint killing his highest earner over a hoowah. A horse is a different story
@@StuUngar yes he would, he just exploded in the same way when Ralph did that to Pie oh my and there was nobody there to stop him
I laughed so hard when that random dude came to ask if it was open during such a tense situation lmao
It is kind of bizarre because it would be pretty obvious they were open based on them using playing and the cars and the big sign that says open. Instead you go ask a bunch of cold gangsters in the corner
You know what the coldest and most disturbing thing about this was? When he said “look at you now” after brutally and horrifically beating her to death and then just walking off like it was nothing, leaving her corpse there to rot like it was a piece of trash.
Yeah, and especially when he yells? "I'M RALPHIE!" right before going berserk
@@Space_Ghost_Hunteryou’re not funny
@@daddyt2837 I'm gay
It's almost like mob guys, that a lot of men look up to, somehow aren't really decent people.
Who knew?
@@Space_Ghost_Hunterwe know
Ralphie was the most dangerous person on that show, unpredictable, violent, and not afraid to go to extremes as shown in this scene
Tony's Tommy. (He's not funny)
He was a loose cannon and a huge liability. In that lifestyle you can’t have him around.
Richie Aprile was.
@@okyggtty he was definitely dangerous and sadistic but Richie I feel had a code of sorts and was more about business and respect But Ralphie was just a straight up loose cannon you never really know what he was gonna due
@@notchback93 yeah I definitely agree with you there. Richie did have a code. Ralph was definitely a loose cannon. Bad for business.
Rewatching the scene, I noticed something new. When ralphie starts going crazy, he punches Tracy once in the face and then twice in the stomach before she falls down. So he intentionally was punching the unborn baby. That's chilling
Yep, true monster pulling off the mask there.
Fucking hell I never caught that until now. Yeah he deserved to get whacked in such a grimy manner, just like he murdered Tracey.
Why is that bad?
@@machida58 it isn't bad to hit pregnant women in the stomach?
@@machida58 Think about it for a minute. It's horrific
I liked how Tony responded so fast when he said “go get ‘em” lmao he was boiling
Ralph at 3:08 walking out drink-in-hand not a care in the world at this point shows how insane he is lol
He was doin a lotta coke
The title is wrong. It must be: „Ralph disrespects the Bing“
Thank you, I have major ocd for accuracy in this world.
I love that everyone understands that's the official reason Ralph catches heat for this.
For real. I wouldn’t come to you’re house and drop off my dirty laundry.
“Clumsy girl falls outside bar.”
That was just an excuse, Tracee wasn't related to any made man either through marriage or blood, so Tony technically violated the Mafia Code here.
She genuinely loved Ralphie. Her voice broke when she said "I love you " Then to see how he suddenly switched and turned on her .All the time just viciously messing with her mind.
It was a heartbreaking scene .
It's not his fault she's a klutz
It happens
His love for her peter’d out… it died on the vine… his heart , it moved or something…
Very good observation, the sacred and the propane.
What can you do
Deep, deep down, Tony had a heart. I remember hoping he'd kill Ralphie, and I think he would have if he hadn't been held back. Great writing and acting in this scene.
I really don’t think so anymore… He had Adriana killed on dime.
@@Cinderella121 relatively, he did, that's not to ignore his basic nature, which was pretty bad. The human being can be a complex individual.
Tony was just as much of a contemptible monster as all the rest of them
He was a sociopath and a true family man intermittently. That’s why he was in therapy. He couldn’t be both.
I mean towards the end it’s pretty obvious he was a psychopath and he killed all his biggest earners
"That too"
Paulie has the best lines.
"Get a sheet, Chrissy. Cover that up."
He says "that", not 'her'. The violence is brutal, but the little details are chilling. Brilliant writing.
I never even noticed that, good catch.
So what. "That" can be reffered to as this whole scene. I would use the same word
Paulie was almost as bad as Ralph.
Gore4ever FulciLives Interestingly and albeit disconcerting, there seems to be many people who legitimately stand by the characters or at least their actions and behaviors. I don’t think its much debate that Chris (for example) is a psychopath and that Tony is a textbook sociopath (at the very least), displaying behaviors not to be followed by.
However I have seen people attempt to justify and swear by the characters actions and behaviors, as if their actions are not evil and are in fact just. Many times it comes along with a “they are just soldiers doing their duty” complex.
Its only natural to want to “root” for the characters you come to know, but god damn. These guys are straight up terrible people with no shred of good in them. The only time a good act is committed is when it benefits them.
Make no mistake
Wish i woulda borrowed money from her
Ralph was totally oblivious to the fact Tony had caught paternal feelings for Tracee. Tracee, unlike Meadow, respected Tony and cared about what he said. She brought him something, even as silly as a loaf of bread as opposed to taking constantly with little gratitude. Most importantly, she didn't judge him. Tony saw her as innocent, in spite of her mental health problems. Ralph signed his death warrant that night in the parking lot of the Bing, and good fucking riddance. He had no idea how badly he fucked up hurting that girl. When T boxes something into the 'innocent' category, you best not lay hands on it.
I don't know if innocent is the right word, she was a whooahh let's not forget, maybe harmless would fit better idk.
I think Tony was looking for an excuse to kill Ralph. I don't think he ever gave a shit about the horse that was killed in the fire. He was just looking to kill Ralph for being a sub human scumbag.
You guys are all wrong Tony, never put something in the "innocent" corner. He also sometimes acted out of guilt. Like with Tony B and promoting him.
Also when Silvio pimped slapped that bitch it wasn't Tony's place nor did he get involved.
@@lickgirlsassholes4380 Dude, he put Noah, the black guy Meadow was banging in the 'innocent' corner. He could have killed him if he wanted. Civilians, even wonder bread wops like Cooze are 'innocent'. It's okay to rip them off and bleed their system dry, but Tony would never violently hurt a civilian for no reason. Tony recognized that Tracee could have been Meadow but instead was a self-deluding single mother hooked up with a psycho piece of shit. He saw her paternally (giving her genuine advice about Ralph) which makes his final comments to her so sad. He brushed her off and then Ralph beat her to death. She was a 'beautiful innocent creature', like the ducks, and that's why he went batshit and murdered Ralph.
It's amazing how so many people still can't accept a person can be good and bad. Tony was evil by the end of the show but it would have taken a lot for him to murder a girl like Ralph did here. Good and bad qualities can live right beside each other in humans.
The guys on the show weren't serial killers they had loved ones and family. They also were willing to murder for the right reason anytime they felt like it
F****** thank you.. like Tony is a bad guy but I do not think he is a sociopath. He never goes out of his way to hurt someone who is not involved in the life, he's still an asshole tho no doubt
Well there was that one time with the belt and zellman whatever happened there
@@mattmaccaronio5990 whatever happened there? He beat his ass raw like a Puerto Rican hooah. He beat him so bad he couldn't even say his last words.
@@jefferycrouse4652 I wish it was irina getting her cute hiney whipped not some fuckin old man
"Tracee's death and limited minutes on the show left a huge impact on audiences too, some of whom cancelled their HBO subscriptions after seeing the episode. "
From an article online. You gotta remember how ground breakingly gritty this show was for the time.
It's still grittier than every other show I've seen. Yeah it's not as graphically violent as some of the stuff on TV nowadays, but when there's violence, it feels real and senseless. You feel the impact of the stuff that happens. Maybe you see people get decapitated in GOT, but seeing a woman get beaten to death in Sopranos has power that isn't found in other works
David Chase deliberately made this episode shocking and graphic, as he felt that the audience was finding many if the characters on the show too likeable, and needed reminding that they're pieces of shit that murder, maim and extort people for a living.
Evidently Pantoliano started getting hit on by women more frequently after this episode aired which he commented was “revealing”.
If audiences are too soft to watch those shows they should watch Disney instead. It’s a tv show.
@@TheKingTywinLannister Adventure time more violent and gruesome than the sopranos to be honest
This episode (and specially this scene) was definitely the one who left the biggest impression on me. This death was impactful. It helps that the whole episode spent most of its runtime emphasizing the contrast between Meadow and Tracee's life. This really was shocking, cold, graphic, brutal... I don't have the words.
I think the worst part is when you realize how real this is. How some people are born with the world at their feet while others might spend their whole life scraping for nothing and still get decimated by life. Perhaps I'm reading too much into these. Regardless, this is the episode that impacted me the most.
Very well said.
You've described exactly what privilege means to me, being born on one of the of the scale.
Yeah. I loved that scene too. Beautiful
This scene definitely left an impression on me too, when I first saw it I couldn't get it out of my head for like a week!!! And it screwed with tony too when he looked at Meadow and then saw Tracee, can you imagine some cocksucker just taking your daughters life like that?!?!?! I don't care who it was, a made man, a soldier, John Gotti himself, I don't care...... he would die
No, great analysis
Truly horrific and horrible to watch. The yelps and cries that you hear her make as he relentlessly beats her, and the complete absence of emotion he feels. It’s monstrous, and it happens every single day somewhere in the world.
I love the scene for Tonys reaction. I can’t stand watching Ralph beat the girl though…. Have to skip through it almost every time.
There wasn’t an absence of emotion. He was enraged.
I always get pushback but I still say that when Tony was killing Ralph and said "She was a beautiful creature, what'd she ever do to you...she was innocent, and you killed her." or something like that it wasn't just about the horse.
Ralph really was the most terrifying character for me. The fucked up sex, the gratuitous violence for people who didn't even deserve it, you could tell this dude had demons who got the better of him.
it’s weird but interesting how your childhood effects every single thing about you including your sex life
@vincent vitale I maybe have missed something what about his childhood?
@@naylik2562 they talk about Ralph in Tony’s therapy sessions
He definitely suffered sexual abuse, possibly from a female, people don't just become warped like that for no reason.
@@naylik2562 He went thru sexual abuse, tony tried asking him and he just said “she had her demanding ways” then when tony kept pushing w the asking he says “i gotta go”
Crazy how Tony and Silvio were the only ones that stood and watched Tracee for a few seconds more. They both have daughters who were around the same age as her, which shook them to their core knowing it could’ve been theirs.
Edit: There’s a scene where Tony is talking to Meadow in their house and when he looks at her, it pans to Tracee for a split second. Unsure which episode this takes place in.
Adriana probably was young enough to be his daughter as well, and she was very close to him being Chrissy's fiancee for years...he still wacked her and expressed no remorse over it.
That's not just him, that's the whole bunch of them, they'll hug you and kill you in minutes.
They're all selfish psychos trying to put on a man of honor front and the show actually does a phenomenal job displaying it.
@Loko Strangula I think Silvio cared the most out of the whole situation. Not only was someone killed on his property, his employee is dead, the son of her needs to taken care of. I mean if you murder a random women it’ll take a-lot of favors from the cops to clear that up.
@Loko Strangula Don’t get me started on the pizza parlor
Tony was the only one who was actually shook up over it, the rest were just being sycophants.
Doubt Silvio cared. He slapped her in the face the day before.
She came out of a tree with a chainsaw; Ralphie had the right to defend himself
One of the few moments where Tony shows his compassionate side.
The way Ralphie says the word “whore” is comical
him and Danny Devito are the true kings of “whooer”.
Hoo ahh
"Who-err"
Get it all out you little hewer!
Of all the cruel, brutal scenes in this series, this was the worst IMO. Fans were just waiting for Ralph to die after this.
The wait was worth it.
Ralph was top earner, but his personality was volatile. Tony was forced to make difficult decisions and even violate the Mafia Code (you can't touch "made man" like that)
Not me. He became my fave
They’re all pieces of shit. Paulie smothered an old woman to death.
@@brucelston rofl
"20 years old this girl"...then cuts to a scene of Meadow in a school library...that is why Tony was pissed, it could have been his daughter in another life.
I binge watched this show last weekend....first time watcher. This show had ALOT of senseless deaths. This one to me stuck out the most....it just showed how evil Ralphie really was
I'm only on season 3, but this seems like the most brutal death so far. Something about a man beating a pregnant woman to death is way more brutal than all of the men getting shot, for some reason lol.
As horrible as the scene was, I burst out laughing at Ralph's lie, comes in looking disheveled, hand bleeding, immediately puts it on ice and just says 'she slipped.' Ralph's normally a great liar, not like him to pull such a terrible lie out of his ass.
The Sopranos to me is a true paradox in the way it makes you laugh even when you shouldn’t. I get that there are other stuff like that like Tarantino movies or basically anything British and whatnot, but there’s something about the way The Sopranos does it that resonates much more than any other piece of entertainment I’ve ever seen.
it's both funny and disturbing because of his lack of remorse. To him the lie was just a formality, he knows that a normal person would try to lie about what they did but he cares so little that he completely half asses it.
He didn't try to actually convince them, for him nothing extra-ordinary happened: she was a hooa and he was a made guy - not a big deal.
Its because of Miami
@@gorgeousgeorge7960 It was the coke!!! It’s all over the place.
This scene disturbed me more than any other in the series.
True! It was hard to watch this even when you know that's just acting out a scene from a tv show but still, it's very disturbing to watch and feel disgusted with Italians and mobs.
it was awesome
***** i don't remember that one but i'm sure that i'm def not interested in seeing any type of disturbing rape scene.
Tina Laflamme me too. He was a jerk.
Tina Laflamme it's actually an amazing scene
Tracey walked right into that hilarious joke Ralph made about their unborn child.😊
3:49 lol NPCs always show up at the worst possible time
The actress who played Tracee, Ariel Kiley, said that the scene was filmed at 2am on a cold nite.
Looks like it too.
Talking sopranos 🔥
Checked her IG and can confirm she still looks like a klutz!
Its because Tony in his mind saw meadow lying there
Yeah I always thought that Tony saw a lot of Meadow in Tracey, which was why he acted so fatherly towards her. Maybe in his mind he feared this is what Meadow could end up becoming.
I swear I thought the same thing when I saw Tony glancing at Tracee's corpse.
@@barbiquearea nobody couldn't even smash Meadow without Tony cutting off their canoli so I seriously doubt they would even consider knocking her off without the same consequence being the man he is but I guess fatherhood does that
str8 '88 Yeah like...Tony curbstomped a guy because he made a dick sucking joke to Meadow. I'm pretty sure all of northern Jersey would be on fire if somebody killed Meadow this way.
@@anthonyitaliano7316 the whole damn state for that matter for which i couldn't blame him & i don't even have kids. You don't violate no mans children whether he's a mob boss or not
This is where the show started to take a dark turn
I love this scene! Its so raw. The punching is canned but I love how Ralphie goes medieval and the way he says whooore lol - Tony adds the icing on the cake when he says she was only 20! Man I miss JG! RIP
The punching was canned, just like Philly.
Paulie: “he was way outta line”
Tony: “she was 20 years old”
Paulie: “that too”
Just goes to show you the level of sociopathy you’re dealing with when punching another mobster is viewed worse as murdering an innocent young woman
F### this show seriously all these people do Is extort weak people
@@dynamiteman1001 it’s not real
@@Jamie-ee4ll But the people are. I know of people who are well to do, college educated and worse. These guys here come from the streets, and the do not hide who they are.
@@dynamiteman1001 I mean they are criminals….kinda what they do.
@@justanotherguy469 Take it easy... not all the mafiosos are the same. Just know that at the end almost all of them are dead, in jail, and the family is practically disbanded. This here is a crime done bad show
"That, too" Paulie says, the 20 year-old being murdered being a secondary more minor offense compared to Ralph yelling at Tony
Ralph was made guy tracee wasn't
Tony was human than some of the others in his crew . He thought of how this could be his daughters life if he wasn’t a powerful man and father
Pauline’s “that too” was so fucked up it was funny 😂
“Pauline” 😂
Ralphie: "I'M A MADE GUY!!!"
Tony: gives zero fucks
There was nothing we could do about it. Ralph was a made guy and that month-old embryo wasn’t. It was real greaseball shit.
It is what it is.
Ha! I could hear ray liotta's VO now.
And dats dat
Hahahaha
@@okboomer8798 What's right is right.
Tracee definitely got under his skin when she said “do you feel like a man?” Ralf has issues with his manhood
Most tough guys do.
@@dreamsprayanimation NO, most fake tough guys do.
I mean he got pegged by Janice so yea lel
Cope.
@@AJ-is5ut Most "tough" guys act "tough" because of insecurity.
Just when i tought Richie was the most evil character Ralphie shows up
This was the point of no return for Ralph, when he disrespected the Bing like that.
OHHHHHH
The way Ralphie just casually says “That’s my story” always cracks me up
You must be a goof to party with
It was a prank
She fell?
@@mattmaccaronio5990
Ralph: That’s my story
Tony: **swats the glass out of Ralph** *Youse' stupid mudafaka, HOW FOOKIN DARE YOU!?!?*
There was poetic justice in this show because Ralph died the same way he killed Tracy. Beaten to death.
“She fell??”
“Thats my story” 😂😂😂
All jokes aside about how Ralph says "huawah", this scene sealed the absolute hatred thst I had for Ralph. Yeah, i know thst pretty much all of the main characters were psychopaths, but this scene was gut wrenching.
1:28.....always found that punch to her stomach one of the worst, knowing she's pregnant. Hits her hard enough to actually lift her off her feet. The rest is self explanatory. Ralph was the worst POS. Gigi's assessment of him was spot on.
Most of them were psychopaths, just like Ralph. Difference was, Ralph was also a sadist. He got a kick out of abusing others physically and psychologically. Him getting high made him behave even worse. That's what made him more unlikeable than other characters imo.
@Hyper jones tbf Paulir killed her bc she caught him stealing
@@georgexanthopoulos3003 He also liked having his scrotum worked over with a cheese shredder. I'd say that puts him in the masochist's room too.
@Hyper jones Why does this stuff tick you off so much? I've seen your replies copied and pasted over an unhealthy amount of threads in this comment section.
@@georgexanthopoulos3003
those kind of guys actually exist.
what you do about it?
This scene made me think in Tony as a human being and not just as a mobster. I think the whole show he struggled between his education of don't giving a fuck about people and just carrying on the business, and the part of him that actually felt something for other's people emotions. When this things happened, he always excuse himself with "You disrespect the business" or "You disrespect me", but in reality he is having an internal fight between his ego and his empathy with others. It's kinda sad, tragic, that he never could make a choice about the kind of person he wanted to be. Sorry for my english.
At the end of the day, Tony Soprano was a complete piece of shit of a human being. One of the worst kind of humans.
He was absolutely a mobster who murdered, stole, cheated, was a hypocrite, a racist, a bigot, and an incredibly selfish and insecure person but what made the character so damn interesting to watch is that small slice of “good” that was trying to flourish and grow but was always being suppressed by his character and himself.
He didn’t stand a chance being a child to a mobster but as an adult, he knew what right and wrong was and absolutely had the potential and ability to change. He just didn’t give a fuck! Lol
@Judy Greer did you forget to read this part "He didn’t stand a chance being a child to a mobster "
Then you missed the point here. They felt a bit distressed for her and that's it. It's like a tiny little bit of humanity comming to surface, but then they just remember that they had to hide her corpse and life goes on for them until the same happens to another girl.
I feel this comment. Thanks.
@Hyper jones He didn't kill her for Tony, yeah he had no problem killing her to hide his crimes, but it's not like this was a mob hit. He didn't set out to kill an old lady for fun that day.
Tony almost did to Ralph what Ralph just did to Tracee...that would have been poetic justice.
Lol the way he says whooah makes me crack up every single time
While certainly being a disturbing, disgusting scene, you almost have to step back from the screen and acknowledge how good of an actor Joe Pantoliano is. He's always good and I've seen him in numerous movies.
He's really great.
Didnt he win the emmy for this season? Golden globe?
@@nopejoeandangie yup..emmy
Underrated role of his is the police chief in Bad Boys 1 and 2, too bad it's such a small one.
Memento as well
I think its this part: "He was way out of line"
"Twenty years old this girl"
".......Yeah that too."
Kind of sums up mafia scum for me.
Maybe.....
Just speculating here, but no one told her to run away from home and start stripping . I’m sure drugs were heavily involved !
Not condoning violence, but the saying goes when you sleep with dogs, don’t be surprised if you wake up with fleas
A) she was a hoo-ah
B) that kid wasn't even Ralph's
I wish Tony had wacked pauli on the boat
@@michaelcarusone631 it's: when you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
Paulie is a certified goon. Never questions any act by the boss. Ralphie was out of line because Tony hit him. So Ralphie must have been out of line. You understand? You get it? In Paulie's warped mind, the girl being killed was secondary to Tony viewing Ralphie as being out of line. But, yes they are all scum bound for hell.
I swear once I start watching these Sopranos clips I can't stop for like 3 days.
Shouting ‘I’m a made guy’ in the mafia is like the equivalent of what shouting ‘I’m a Roman citizen’ was in the empire
Braindead
@@crc3387 it’s just a lighthearted analogy you d*ck. I’m sure I’ve met my match in the intellectual powerhouse that is crc3387 with such a witty and original response
I have come to reclaim Rome for my people !!!
@@mattmaccaronio5990 who does this guy think he is, sir Walter Raleigh?
I've seen lots of violence in movies and yet I find this scene incredibly powerful....I was horrified when I saw it.
Same here. Tracee might be the most tragic character who was only on a few times. There's a parallel though to Meadow's suicidal roommate Caitlin, who was mocked and neglected by Meadow and her idiot boyfriend, who practically pushed her to kill herself.
Some people find the violence in Sopranos to be funny. If anybody finds this amusing they are well on their way to bona fide psychopathville.
There's a big difference between laughing at this and laughing at Tony beating the shit out of a guy with a Billy Bass toy*****
+ThawedTroglodyteJury some of the violence though is intentionally quite funny. Sopranos has quite a few very funny moments
Teebz 1000
I still love thinking back to _Pine Barrens_ and wondering if the Russian commando survived the probable headshot. If anyone could, it's that interior decorator who killed 16 Czechoslovakians.
+Sonia Ovey i was like in the 3rd grade 1st time i watch it with my grandmother we stopped watching sopranos for a lil minute after that it was that fucked up
There goes Silvio’s 3 grand for braces
Damn poor sil
3 grand coming to me. Where do i get the balls.
Was just thinking same thing...
It's not like she called him in three days lol
U can bet Your ass Ralph was ordered to pay tht back. Thts if it even went to a sitdown
The guy who asked if the Bing was open was my favorite character. I wish they had done more with him
It’s hard to describe how shocking and hard this scene was to watch back when it first aired.
Meadow and Tracy were the same age, but one was shattered and confused because she was being exploited and was about to have a son of a nefarious man, in the other hand, Meadow was mad because her boyfriend dumped her.
It's amazing to see how much your life changes depending on where you're born.
And who you are born to.
Exactly
Meadow had a silver spooned life this girl didn't and was dysfunctional because of her mum abusing her and stuff not to mention she fell in with Ralphie and took his abuse as well
I should be making pots in Peru
So you're going to shit on Meadow for acting the way the vast of majority girls her age act?
Every scene of this series is so well acted and thought out . You can see Tony taking his time looking at the young girl thinking of his own daughter. And it gives us this feeling for Tony that he actually has a human side. Such a complicated portrayal of his character and I love that they give us these glimpses into different attributes of the characters. And Ralph wrote his own death sentence here. It was just a matter of time after this.
Giving Tony more human moments like that was great and made him a more compelling character. Don't think so many would have rooted for him if he was just 100% evil throughout
I don’t think season 6 Tony would have cared about her death, tbh
Yes. But that's the Sopranos' craft. You feel you're encountering someone humane and just like us when you look at Tony in a scene like that but he's still basically an evil bastard criminal in the end and his humanity is just an ornate, gilded sentimentality by which he continually justifies his depravity and narcissism. Though he's more for sure than the pathological geyser of filth that is Ralphie.
Tony has a human side? Why didn't he show it when other men were being beaten and murdered? Why does he suddenly have a human side when he gets a tiny bit upset over Tracy?
@@thernfoster5360because she's a woman. If a guy werebeaten to death by ralph his reaction wouldn't have mattered. Wake up.
@2:44 Paulie gets me every time.
Ralph beats Tracie to death and didn’t even bother to come up with a better story other than
“ Idk she fell “
😂
He's a psycho
Man, tony beating ralphie has to be one of the most satisfying things on the show
It's up there with the scene he beat the guy down for talking about tucking meadow in at night THAT one was satisfying for me
@@jusdria4132 What was the name of the dude?
@@concept5631 can't remember his name nut it was in the first season meadow was on a date with boyfriend at the time and the guy came over talking crap it got back to tony he showed up at the restaurant beat the crap out the guy put his head on the stairs and smashed teeth everywhere
@@jusdria4132 Alright
It’s his fault she’s a klutz?
What Ralph was really trying to say was richie aprile must have sent her to slip and fall school.
Hahahah
Best comment I've ever read
Belly laugh. Thanks
Could you imagine that, you go to slip and fall school and one week later you're dead?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙌
Poor Silvio he will never get his money now
2:43 lmao. Paulie never disappoints
Somebody once said at this point in the show it had started to become more of a comedy than a drama and was losing that dramatic element. This scene right here proves exactly why the Sopranos is truly such a dark and violent show. Like Silvio says quoting the godfather, "just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in". Just incredible acting by everyone in this scene
"More of a comedy than a drama?" *Did we watch the same show?*
@@Delightfully_BitchyIt was leaning heavy on the comedic side. Then this scene fixed that.
That guy was correct. The Sopranos had some of the funniest writing and acting in a tv series ever. Just compare this to crap like Big Bang Teory that tries to be funny and fail in the worst possible way. The writers deserve so much credit. And then things like this happen. It's a good mix.
Previous episode had doctor Jennifer ' r@pe scene that was also very dark
That’s right, let it all out you whore
I love how Tony asks, “where is he?” As if he wasn’t just standing by him 10 seconds ago
I always thought that was hilarious 🤣, as well!
He says "Where is he", as in "He should be here".
In other words "Bring him to me so I can break his fucking jaw."
“Cover that up”
Sil doesn’t even look at these girls as people. People forget how cold blooded Silvio is
Most chilling and cruel murder in the whole series to watch. Vito's is second.
This scene and it’s setup was a masterful way to make you loath Ralphy’s character. It makes it even more conflicting when you actually begin to feel bad for Ralph at the end of his arc despite knowing the awful things he has done. Amazingly written television.
It makes you loath all of them. Just earlier in the episode it was Silvio hurting her and beating her over a measly 3 grand he loaned her for braces.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529yea. But we know that are many ppl with a fucked up taste and morals who praise guys like those portrayed on the series.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 no silvio was in the right for this
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 So you only loath them when they do something to a woman? Even though they regularly beat and murder other men?
"begin to feel bad for Ralph"
naw
i love how out of all of them tony was the one actually feeling something about the death of the young girl because he has his own, then cuts to meadow
Sil definitely felt something as well because he has children as well but he's the #2 so he has to have more restraint.
The whole episode was a contrast between Meadow and Tracee. Meadow is trying to deal with her issues surrounding school and life in the big city while Tracee is trying to deal with her issues relating to her job at the Bing and her relationship with Ralph. It's no coincidence that the scene where Meadow gets dumped by her boyfriend happens right after Tracee is violently beaten to death by her own boyfriend.
@Loko Strangula Yeah he has to keep his bitches in line sometimes but murdering a young prego whooah is a whole different ballpark and you could see visible disgust.
@@silversnail1413 For the record the murder was a hit and run.
Don’t buy into it too much. If you ain’t earnin’, Tony didn’t give af. Even then you’re expendable. It’s all strictly business.