How Good is Philips QD-OLED Gaming Monitor? - Philips Evnia 34M2C8600 Review
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00:00 - Intro, Specs, Design
04:28 - Screen Coating, Subpixel Layout and Burn In
08:00 - Response Time Performance
11:17 - Color Performance
14:08 - Brightness, Contrast, Uniformity
15:30 - HDR Performance
21:09 - HUB Essentials Checklist
21:52 - Final Thoughts
How Good is Philips QD-OLED Gaming Monitor? - Philips Evnia 34M2C8600 Review
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Thanks for reviewing this model! I was close to getting one on a sale here in Sweden a while ago, but decided to hold off for a while longer, esp as i heard concerns regarding the pixel refresh/shuffle messaging.
Glad you tackled this model. I've been thinking about it myself.
Tim- I have to say you do amazing job on the monitors. I have neo g8 with updated fixed issues and m28u. Great job
You can upgrade the firmware via downloading the philips software and connecting the included USB 3 cable to the monitor. Should fix the fan noise, as I never heard it after gaming and using it for one month. The features this has for gaming are actually quite impressive too, corrects too dark for fps with black level boost (level 1), RTS and Moba get manual monitor size (have to side scroll in aspect mode to achieve it) to down to 1440p 16:9 native fullscreen for games like dota 2, and the crosshair was also exceptionally well done on this monitor.
Hi Tech Yes City!
Talking about games like dota2: is the risk higher for burn in for games with static HUDs?
That's some good extra info, thanks!
would u use this for work/productivity?
@@ryanjoffe9090 I am now, it's really, really good, the colors are accurate providing you will get slightly more saturation on oled with gloss naturall vs ips matte. The low input lag however is actually underestimated, and will give you a productivity boost IMO.
As always a helpful review. 👏🏻
I am wondering why you still haven't hit the 100k subscribers - maybe you should mention this channel more often in the content of your main channel....
There is no "coating" problem with QD-OLED's gray tint. Issue arises from the fact that blue OLED's that don't have any QD layer reflect back some of the outside light. This isn't fixable by coating, it is nature of the display technology itself and all Gen1 QD-OLED's will have same problem.
Samsung did say they tried to improve this a bit with Gen 2 but issue still remains.
Source: Watch this video
2023 QD-OLED TVs What’s New, Will it have MLA too?
So in short the reason would be that the blue LED is a passthrough layer instead of Quantum Dots for the other colors
and since it's a passthrough layer there's a dome shaped scattering material for the blue LED
and that it's this material that reflects ambiant light since it's job is to scatter whatever light gets shined onto it
I've known this for over a year now and all tech youtubers ignored my comment so I'm happy that more people finally catch on. If you want to know what's causing this it's the light scattering particles integrated into the qd layer. This is done to improve efficiency since q dots are so small that you need a scattering layer to increase that chance for light to actually hit them. So a polarizer wouldn't solve the problem and that's besides the point that the display most likely has one anyway further back to reduce reflections from the glass substrate.
There is more I could share if anyone is interested like how there are clear signs that's it a 4 stack design with 3 blue stacks and 1 green stack instead of the originally marketed 3 blue stacks.
@@eduonkhlWhy there would be green stack with 3 blue layers as well? What are your sources for that?
@@TvjaMonitoriSorry for the late reply. As far as I'm aware they couldn't get the green output that they wanted and the only sollution that seems to have worked is to add a green stack. Watch "Destroying a QD-OLED Part 1/2 from the CZcamsr NanoPalomaki and there are a few QD-OLED videos from the CZcamsr Tech Trip but I think he explains it best in his video Dissecting Samsungs's S95b!
@gamehey Thanks! I watched both of his videos. Really intresting to think that they would be using green oled as well. As green can not get as easily to be displayed to the screen as blue light source can. And one would think that with green quantum dot you could easily get the green you want because of their properties. Intresting.
Good shitt guys love the rewiews , mini led review soon? Perhaps
I really really appreciate you doing a continued focus on the 1440p WUHD format. I'm in the market to replace my Dell U3415W which I purchased originally for this ultrawide format, along with it's built in KVM for switching between work (WFH) and gaming in the evening. I've come to the point however where I would really like to see higher refresh rates, even if that means I need to incorporate a USB switch into my setup and forego the KVM.
I black / dark grey front would have made a big difference for me at least.Having a colour just shows how big the bezels are. Other than that I like the look.
I would love to see you check out as much as you can of these tests on a old school 27" Sony Trinitron RGB Monitor that has been fully calibrated and gone through to make sure it is operating perfectly. I'd be willing to bet that, other than resolution and HDR, it would probably perform close to OLED performance.
great review, tim! would also be great to see your review of Samsung qd-oled tv's, as some, including me, consider buying one for playing games
Hoping to see reviews of the other Evnia panels, too.
Would love to see a review of the 42M2N8900 OLED - and how it compares to other implementations of LG's panel.
I've been waiting for a comprehensive 42M2N8900 review for months!! Please!!
Great new channel, great content👍 Subscribed
Hopefully we get the second gen QD-OLED panels in other sizes soon. They only have it in the 49 inch G9 OLED right now.
Samsung is supposed to have a 2nd gen panel coming for these monitors with an upgrade to 240hz and higher brightness. Might only see monitors with new panels end of this year
Yeah keen for 2nd gen alienware version of DWF hopefully slightly better with burn in as they aren't amazing.
Have you seen the ones announced by Asus and MSI at Computex? Tim covered them, and they look way better than the G9
The MSI and Asus models are worse than the Samsung..! and considering both of those companies are using Samsung Screens!
@@la3692 how can you tell? Neither has been released yet, and not even the specs have been published. Besides, the problems with the G9 have nothing to do with the panel, and everything to do with the software and features, which is exactly what differentiates monitors from different brands. There is absolutely no basis in reality for your statement. You just sound like a Samsung fanboy.
this channel has best tests ever!
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Ι really love the ambilight aspect. Makes gaming so immersive!!! I think using Philips hub you can connect more ambilight leds to the setup
No hub.
Excelent review! As expected. However, I think you forgot to mention KVM capabilities (afaik it's the only one), which also impacts the price.
Just recently picked up the Odyssey G8 based highly on your recommendation. I'm glad to see it's still at the top.
I did the same
It's literally the worst monitor in every test!
Did you read the part that said "lower is better" and then see the Samsung G8 had the highest number of every oled panel?
You just saw the Samsung with the higher numbers and thought that meant better, right?
Philips being Philips in naming. I have the Evnia 24M1N3200Z/71 but it has the "Momentum" branding on the front. Their response time tuning is lacking in their other products I used. I just like the minimal design.
I guess I may be odd, but I can't imagine not wanting to VESA mount monitors.
I don’t think that’s odd at all! It’s such a huge quality of life change (both the improved adjustability and desk space savings)!! Only reason I could think not to do it would be if for some reason the stupid monitor didn’t support it or you couldn’t make it work with your desk
@@apfelingo ahh, nice, thanks for the response, seemed a bit of an omission on a monitor of this class.
Oh awesome! Was just going to ask.
For sure! For $30 bucks one can buy a gas spring articulating monitor arm. As far as functional luxuries go, this should be near the top of everyone's list.
Ambi-glow looks pretty sick. Pretty stylish stand and silver accent, wish it was all black though. Still can't compete with the AW3423DWF at the routine sale price of $899
Just picked up the Evnia from Amazon US for $699. I think the sale is still going but it’s estimating delivery 3 weeks out
@@Unfamiliar_Fruit how did you like it I'm about to purchase the exact monitor
The difference to the other OLED monitors which has to be mentioned is the integrated KVM switch. In those days where Home Office is usual, the KVM switch is nearly a must have. And the price dropped to 899€ in Germany. Really thinking to get one.
did u buy it? How is the experience with KVM?
In the German manual, they specifically *exclude* burn in from the warranty.
same in UK
I really hope we get more info on MSI's Project 491C its supposed to release this year and we don't even know if its 4k or 1440p (probably the latter but would rather it get confirmed) its an interesting monitor and I want to finally make the jump from IPS to QDOLED
The sRGB mode is very impressive, well done Philips.
Could you please do a buyers guide/recommendation video for your Australian viewers? prices/models vary drastically, or aren't available at all, and it would be great to have something for here.
I own an OLED G8 and i got to say the ambilight system on this Philips seems to be way better than the corelight ring...
The thing isn't really bright legs behind the image beforce changing color is often just white because it does not understand the image it displays.
Adding the INNOCN 27M2V to the list of monitors to review!!!!
Not available in Europe because it doesn’t pass energy laws.
Is he good for editing?
Great video!!
The locked colour channels are an odd quirk shared with other Evnia models. You should be able to adjust the colour channels using Philips SmartControl software, however.
Another prioprietary software that collects your data
@@GewelReal Any evidence that it collects any personal data or any data of significance? If you're worried about data collection you're probably on the wrong platform.
@@PCMonitorsWhether or not it collects data (EULA would be a good start to finding that out), unnecessary reliance on software is never a good thing. It's inconvenient, doesn't work on all platforms and there's no gurantee it'll continue to work in the future. It's especially bad with things like robot vacuums and lawn mowers, I'd love to have one but spending that much money only to rely on a badly coded mobile app that barely works in the present is a hard no.
@@ozzyp97 I don't disagree and changing colour channels should definitely be possible with a simple OSD adjustment instead of using software. But that does still offer an alternative some will be happy to use and it's important to raise awareness that it is possible instead of taking a defeatest attitude of "it's broken and can't be fixed" (if colour channel adjustments are required). Philips SmartControl is also very lightweight software that even works via DDC/CI on non-Philips monitors for some basic functions, there's no reason to think it will "stop working" in the future as that hasn't been the case for previous models at all.
That's good to know... but seems like a stupid decision when that's a basic OSD feature in most every monitor, from what I understand.
The design and the RGB evokes a lot of 80s-2000s aesthetics. Does overall evoke Y2K the most.
Can't wait for a 38" OLED ultrawide or a 40" 4K. I had 34" Ultrawide from 2015-2021. I'm ready for the next level.
Tim, I think the OLED G8 SDR mode brightness shown in your graph should be revised, since the monitor's latest firmware update (1504) did something weird to it and in my personal experience it seems to have been tuned waaay down and it is now much lower than what it was in the past
@psylami, i think they did that because the new G95 oled came out. Samsung did the same with their oled tvs so I wouldn’t be surprised.
@@bledarrm7976 yep samsung is just plain evil. Never buy from them, they’ll fuck you
Did they ever fix this? I bought one and it really doesn’t get that bright in hdr and when you turn on game whatever tgat setting is, it just makes the entire monitor brighter but not as much contrast. Idk. I’m not that impressed. Also no difference between amd and nvidia. It’s like they took away the 1000 nuts mode
Hi, will you guys ever return to doing "budget" (200 USD to 400 USD depending on sizes) monitors reviews? OLED and Mini LED is good and all but I think most of them is out of budget ranges for most people which is still dominated by mostly IPS and even VA displays. ViewSonic VX 2758-2K, VX 2780-2K (which is different from VX2780-2K-SHDJ) and revisited some older products like LG older UltraWide 1080p line-ups.
I just ordered the Alienware DWF for 900€, it will be my first oled monitor ever. I'm hyped :D
Hell ya dude. I gotta get up the courage. It's $900USD too.
Hows the monitor bro?
I can’t believe there’s been no review of the 45 inch LG Oled.
I wish you were also reviewing QD-OLED TVs, like "TVs Unboxed". I'm considering buying a QD-OLED TV to use as a gaming monitor, but I don't know all the details, quirks or pros/cons...
Is there any chance we are getting a 34" curved oled with a normal subpixel layout in the near future? Are there any in the making?
Apart from desktop usage you also notice fringing in games, whenever there is a straight horizontal line, like in most menus. So upgrading is kinda pointless when I'm doing it for the picture quality, but I get these pink and green lines all over the place.
Windows Just Need to Update it
I really want to buy one of these panels. But I want to wait till the end of the year before pulling the trigger. I want the best version and firmware updates can still make the difference.
This 34M2C8600 is perfect. I am usually changing monitors very often, but this one I will keep as long I can. First monitor ever without any flaws.
Can you please review the new G9 oled and compare it with other qd oled to see if it's worth the wait
Thank you for mentioning the hdr setting issue with amd gpu. I was thinking i go mad why i didn't got the hdr smartimage setting to enable. So, just need to switch off shortly vrr.
Hey Tim, hi, how you doing?
Could you check out the
AOC Agon Pro AG276QZD
The last of the high end WOLED 27" QHD gaming monitors?
and the
Acer Predator X34 V
Acer's QD-OLED 34" UWQHD option. They (acer) have options in each category. Smart.
I’m very much enjoying my completely silent air cooled computer. Now I have to be careful about what monitor I buy in the future so it doesn’t mess up my silent system. Right now I enjoy my LG C2 OLED.
I would like to see the acer nitro xr3 38” panel. 3840x1600 144hz feels like the sweet spot but have yet to see much coverage on it
Looks like the same IPS screen as the Dell AW38.
What would you consider as the most color&EOTF accurate OLED monitor under SDR before and/or after calibration?
Will you be reviewing the 49” model?
Any news on the new firmware, did it resolve HDR issue mentioned?
Im really bummed about the lack of color control. There is no saturation setting! I just bought this monitor as an upgrade to the asus xg349c ultrawide ips and i feel sometimes the ips colors look better. Im still digging to find options to make this oled look better because i know its capable as i have an oled tv as well. It does do native 10 bit at 175 hz and my other did not so thats a huge win.
This thing was about $500AUD off, picked it up, pretty awesome. I do have to say missing the RGB control seems odd. the sRGB mode feels a bit...'orange'/warm
In Belgium it is on sale right now for €999
I've always been interested in the Ambilight feature but the lack of HDMI 2.1 and the fan noise for that price?
I'll probably just go with G8 when I've saved up or wait for a 38inch 1600p oled to be announced
Why do you want HDMI 2.1 für QHD?
Ambiglow is more like a built in ambient light, good for your eyes. It’s not so great in following the video source.
Fan noise is high if it’s too bright and lots of white space. Else it’s tolerable.
I love aesthetics of Evnia KB and Mouse, this dude also looks pretty good, not counting useless RGB stuff.
Where the f is my microLED? Its almost 2024 already. I think some top from AUOpt promised them in just few years, it was few years ago :)
MicroLEDs are damn near the endgame of monitors. They HAVE to let Oled and miniled moniters run its course first.
Have you reviewed any of the 500hz monitors?
Which monitor is better to buy this one or samsung oled g8?
How about a review of a new QHD monitor at 240hz that MSI launch a few days ago , maybe its good deal
I saw this monitor in 800 in Amazon I’m thinking to take it😊
Can you cover the AOC Gaming U34G3XM monitor?
its the updatet AOC Gaming U34G2X i guess
For that price the fan should be *silent* and the HDMI ports definitely need to be 2.1 minimum and that's not taking into account the general issues with these first gen QD OLED screens
What about the fan? Is it noisy? I saw an option to turn it off. Can the monitor work with the fan turned off? Is the fan audible in "silent" mode? The price 22.05.2024 is £648. And I wonder the reason for such a drastic price reduction. Thanks
2:58 i dont know, but when i set it to a higher Brightness it actually just increases the white, not the color
Can you review the Asus TUF Gaming VG27AC1A?? It looks like it's an updated version of the VG27AQ
I don't know if this is just a Canada thing, but MOST if not all those OLED / QD-OLED are never available around here on amazon or newegg....
I like seeing that music band video. It looks like none of those people have any idea what they are doing, while trying to look cool at the same time.
There's a monitor I want to suggest for review. There is a 27" 1440p ASUS Proart IPS Monitor with a 144Hz refresh rate and 5ms GTG refresh time. It has 100% SRGB and 95% DCI-P3 coverage. I believe the monitor was designed for video game creation and 3D rendering.
ASUS ProArt PA278CGV
Screen backlight almost does not appear in your video, did you put the monitor in frond of the wall or is there a distance between
Any word if the G9 OLED will be exclusive to Samsung? Or will the other manufacturers get in on it
I've been interested in these OLED monitors for awhile. But I stop short of getting one because every one of them have scary reviews on amazon.
Tim, have you reached out to Gigabyte regarding the M27Q X and it's disappearance?
it is €900,- here in CE.
Nice to see Ambilight but my god you have to go back 15 years to find so few LED's for it, kinda dissapointing they didnt have the full AMblight treatment like their living room tVs because gamers love that feature more than movie watchers
I have just one question ..
lg c2 oled 48 inch is exactly the same tv as lg c2 42 inch ??
I mean by quality and hdr experience
HUB reviews it and now it’s sold out in the U.S. Drat! Guess I have to wait.
Hi, what about 45-49" OLED Monitors, have there a new product came out from other brands like Samsung Odyssey OLED G9 G95SC (49") model and will you test it? I think it is brighter then LG UltraGear 45GR95QE-B (45") in SDR mode becouse it use the QD-OLED panal. I read that LG is prepering 27" OLED 480 Hz monitor that will come out in 2025, is that true if you read about it and what are your thoghts about it?
Now do the Evnia 7600 please.
Is there any specs about blue light and flicker free?
Everyone wants a nice aesthetic rear 😳
Is the philips qd-oled 42" similar in performance ?
can you do a review for samsung s95c as monitor
Does it support VESA 100x100? I see it in the datasheet but from the pictures I do not see vesa mounts?
Looks like IPS monitor still the best choice for cleanest text to read. VA comes 2nd best for text reading.
That just depends on the subpixel layout (or the ability of the OS to enhance readability of text by exploiting subpixels). Every panel technology is capable of being simple straightforward RGB layout or more complicated layouts that do offer other advantages, but Windows just isn't able to handle those layouts gracefully (yet).
@@MLWJ1993 Thats correct.
in UK now on sale for £699
Heard of this fan ramp up and down in another review as well but can say with certainty that my model does not do that. I left it on auto and even after three hours of HDR gaming there is no difference and the noise is a constant sound (usually sounding like the air moving through the fan and less than the motor of a fan) that does not get louder or quieter.
I have the latest firmware installed, but since this review is only one months old I guess it was tested with that same firmware.
Have they fixed the inaccurate hdr issue?
@@SmellsLikeNirvanna I use the HDR TrueBlack mode anyway, not the brigther one, so I can't tell. I think it looks brilliant, I don't need the higher brightness, especially since I can dim the room light with ease.
Still using my BenQ XL27220Z back from 2014..... The upgrade to an OLED, 175hz, HDR, 1440p monitor must be astronomical
You would likely notice the added motion blur, I still use my crt over my 240hz oled in competitive for that reason.
I don't remember him mentioning if this monitor was VESA compatible. He's normally good at mentioning whether it has, or lacks, VESA compatibility.. In looking at the video, it does not appear to have the holes for a VESA mount.
It has a 100x100 vesa adapter
Bought this for just 550 Euros on the second hand market. What a steal!
Would anyone recommend this over the Alienware aw3423dw for gaming?
Q:? I could not find a review on the: Asus TUF Gaming VG28UQL1A 28.0" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz (IPS) Monitor - Is Monitors Unboxed planning on reviewing this monitor? It seems like a great deal compared to others of similar quality.
I actually kinda like the look of the back of the monitor....
No info about Vesa mount? Looking at the rear of the monitor it would seem that it does not support it?
The Vesa mount is included.
So it is good for photography edid?
The back is made with Sega Saturn polygons.
Why are there so many squares at 1:44?
So if I am on my desktop surfing the internet how long before I get burn in like if I sat at the pc for 5 hours straight looking online will I get burn in from the images that haven’t changed like the hot bar at the bottom of the screen
Hey Guys. I’ve been subbed to both your channels for a bit now and have been feverishly watching as many of your videos about 4K hdr monitors and have a big problems now. I want a 4K hdr monitor somewhere in the 27”-34” size as a secondary monitor. I was absolutely sold on the Samsung odyssey neo g7 but the big problem is they are sold out everywhere and I’ve checked everywhere with no luck. I even reached out to a Samsung rep who informed me that it is end of line for the g7 which means no more will be produced. I’ve looked at lg, ASUS, Sony, gigabyte, the Odyssey neo g8 and none have exceptional HDR or have scan lines issues. All my information and opinions are based on your videos. I’d really appreciate if you could recommend a 4K monitor in that size with strong hdr capabilities that rises above the rest. Thank you very much and keep up the amazing videos.
Right now these are 125USD cheaper than the alienware model on the EU market. Definitely a viable choice.
Think it's odd you don't like the ambient glow QD-OLED has in the light when matte displays do the same thing. Just in this case it's a rare case of a glossy doing the same.
I have a matte VA monitor next to my AW3423DWF, and when light hits both monitors, black levels are definitely darker on the VA. If I shut the curtains or shut off the lights, the DWF wins by far, but QD-OLED does have a noticeable pink tint when in the light.
@PlayinWithMahWii well from my experience the matte coating by nature makes the contrast drop in lighting. I mean, it's the whole point that it diffuses the light instead of reflecting it. I just don't think it's a great tradeoff. You can always tilt the screen or move the lights. Haven't heard much of the pink tint. I do know Samsung's anti reflection coatings on their TVs tend to add rainbowing, but I haven't heard much of pink tint. Last time I heard was that QD-OLED was fairly consistent color wise. I don't own one so I can't speak on it, but it sounds rather odd.
Cant find the OLED MSI monitor anywhere :(
what about black crush ?
I'm anxiously waiting for 32" OLED monitors... Hopefully we'll get them soon!
32" 4K? Because that form factor looks wack in 1440p
@@syed2694 I have a 1440p 32" IPS panel that looks perfectly fine. I play competitive titles so more frames = more better. I currently have a 7900 xt and 7700x system and I'd be perfectly happy with 1440p to keep my very high frame rate but have better motion clarity and better contrast.
@syed2694 4k monitors is(unfortunately) not really practical, for any "high end" graphics intensive games....like all the coming unreal 5 engine based games. So, at least if your into cutting edge 3D graphics, 4k is not really ideal, before the graphics cards gets more powerful in terms of performance per watt! 🙂
@@billardon514 92 DPI is not fine.
@@danieljrgensen133 idk what you're arguing here but that was never my point.