Out of Bounds Secrets | Pokémon Black - Boundary Break
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Every episode I have - • Boundary Break
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Awesome video
I took advantage of Sponsor Block skipping the whole segment.
honestly thats a really cool sponsor
Good finds! I didn't think it felt rushed at all contrary to what you said. Maybe Part 2 could include the areas new to the sequel?
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Omg chuggaconroy! Great to see you. I’ve been watching you way back when you started uploading Luigi’s mansion, super Mario sunshine and pikmin. You’re literally my inspiration
Hi chuga :)
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We need to see the beginning of BW2 where Bianca presents the starter Pokémon to you, because a 3D model of her is used there
Their use of perspective tricks is so impressive. I had no idea the sprites were layers, makes me wonder how they’re able to spin around in the musical minigame
From my making GB games I would say that's simply sprite/actor swapping. Here it seems you can overlay multiple actors to get whatever bits in front you need?
@@Roadent1241100% agree it a actor/layer swap to show the turn
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Pasage?
I love the limited 3D in this game it's so charming.
It only took 14 minutes. Amazing.
SaltyDKDan fans just show up out of nowhere.
you can see they were thinking of how to make x&y
God I love the chungus the limited 3D chungus they used in this chungus its so chungus
If you could only see the frown on my face when I read this comment
Man, I miss Pokémon sprite work. Gen 5 was definitely the peak when it came to sprites.
Yeah the problem with the switch to 3d is that a lot of the pokemon became desaturated and more lifeless, they're slowly fixing that though
@@mr.punisher5100It only took an entire decade for them to start....
Though they were pretty much cardboard cutouts.
dude has the best jojo as their pfp. huge respect
@@user-pi2go7wv4j That was kind of the point. It encouraged you to use your imagination for battles like most RPGs do.
I had a rough idea of how the sprites worked in Black/White, I knew from sprite sheets I found online that they were divided up into different parts, but I could never fully imagine how they put them together to animate them! Really clever!
If you've seen gameplay of any of the Paper Mario games, that one uses that technique too.
The amount of effort they put into the Pokémon REALLY contrasts with the work they put into the -3DS- I mean Nintendo Switch models.
please come back to pokemon black! I'm so interested in what they did in the game ever since I started playing this game!
I like how the aesthetic of the Generation 5 Main Series Pokémon games and a lot of DS games evoke a lot of PlayStation 1 and Saturn era games similar to the first two Suikoden games and the first two Vandal Hearts games. Where it is a 2D-3D hybrid, where it uses 2D character sprites for the characters and 3D graphics for the backgrounds.
would you say that this limited 3d is charming?
Man, I definitely suggest you look into a game called SIGNALIS. Not only is it a really well made throwback to ps1 Survival Horror games, but there is a VERY simple mod that allows for switching between the top down isometric view to a 3rd person camera, & let me tell you, there are DOZENS of things you can only see with the camera mod. For example, there is a room that has an oxygen chamber where, when you examine it, your character says "There is someone inside. It's difficult to look at her." but in normal gameplay, you can't see anything inside it at all. It's the angle. BUT, when you switch to the modded 3rd person camera, I swear I am not making this up, the creator actually completely modeled a burnt woman who is breathing laboriously & obviously in pain. Again, this is only visible when using the camera mod not available in the base game. It's absolutely BURSTING with cool shit when you switch between cameras.
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Gba does the same thing.
@@brogamin179 gba (pokemon) is fully 2d. You're right if you're thinking of gen 4 though
Gen V was truly the peak of the pokemon game design. the team had enough time and experience to make games that were truly well thought out and cared for. the focus on story, the immersion of the world, and the engaging music were all so well done. seeing this video really opened my eyes to see the remarkable programming that sits underneath.
I really hate how the community didn't understand how good these games were when they were released, but I'm glad people are finally starting to come around to seeing it.
Nah, the games suck ass.
@@olivercharles2930who hurt you bro 💀
I don't think the old pokemon games will ever really die out, the old games just have so much charm, and thought put into them that they just keep coming back.
The constant running static/ snow layer is pretty interesting! I'm sure it's not resource demanding in the slightest, which is why it's no problem to make it work that way, but it's still unexpected.
It could be 3 frames or so..! If 5fps it's not too demanding probably..!
him calling pansage "pasaj" was all I needed for me to believe that he really hasn't in fact played BW lol. Great video though, thanks!
Shesez people are gonna murder you for that pronunciation of Pansage 😂😂😂
Gen V is gorgeous. Easily the best looking Pokemon games. It makes sense when I think about it that it's really a 3D environment given how much the camera likes to show off. That bit about the ferris wheel in Nimbasa City was wild. Very curious if it stayed the same in the sequels.
Must feel nice being wrong.
I want to see more, I love how this game mixes 2D and 3D into a coherent whole
2.5D
@@heromedley Isn't 2.5D sidescrolling games in a 3D environment (like Sonic Superstars for example) ?
@@ThibautMahringer Kinda, from what I understand. It's more about the camera being locked in place like in 2D, but enviroment being 3D. F.e. original The Sims apparently is a 2.5D game (despite that the only 3D stuff in it are Sims, rest is images). Probably gen 4 is also a 2.5D. Gen 5 is weird, because some stuff is definietly 2.5D, but others are 3D with 2D sprites (like bridges or main part of Castelia City).
I think Heroes of Might and Magic 4 also is one, but I'm not sure, they used a weird technique where they took a screenshot of a 3D model for each frame, then animated stuff using those. So basically game lacks 3D models in the files, but it theoretically uses them, but they're just flat images of 3D stuff (it's weird, and I don't think I ever encountered that in a different game, but it's definietly a decent space saving technique).
Outside of than that I can't recall examples of other 2.5D games that aren't platformers.
@@dozzy9984 There's no official definition of what it truly is.
But to me, 2.5D define a character that only move left or right, but in a 3D environment, even with camera effects.
All my examples are from Sonic, but if you look at games like Sonic Unleashed, Generations and Colors, the 2D parts can have camera effects to emphasize the action / speed, yet Sonic is still moving from left to right, to me it's still 2.5D, even with the camera shifts (though the camera shifts are scripted).
I'm not saying your interpretation is wrong though, it also makes sense.
Though, 3D models turned into sprites was also used in the Donkey Country games on SNES amongst others, and they are very much 2D games as everything is sprites, there's no 3D anywhere in those games.
Anyway, I agree, 2.5D is inherently tied to platformers, you could also say that fighting games are 2.5D, at least with my interpretation but that pretty much ends there.
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As someone who did happen to use an Action Replay after beating the games, seeing those rocks from buildings is all too common for me.
And the quadrants being loaded in out of view is also something they have done since Diamond and Pearl.
In those games, you could easily speed past load-zones (but only if you intended on doing so) and corrupt a quadrant, causing very interesting effects with how the zones load in.
Really satisfying to see that whole Dragonite skeleton. Also super cool to see how the Pokemon sprites were put together, I think that's my favorite part. The B/W sprites are by far my favorite sprites of the franchise. Anyway, thanks for covering one of my favorite Pokemon games, I'd love to see you delve into it more when you have the time.
I always loved that they used this 2D/3D mix in these games. They look absolutely great if you properly scale them up in Emulation.
A bit sad GF seemingly would'nt go such route, even as a toggle in settings.
Pokémon Black was the first game I ever raised a Pokémon to level 100 in. Thanks so much for doing this!!
I think, since all the Pokémon need to be viewed from the back when used by the player, a lot of them have, let's say "economical" layering so that when flipped, there's less sprite models to fully swap and replace, which would be why so many almost work just when flipping the pov
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That's not an eye. Woobats eyes are the small things on the sides, covered by tufts of hair. The big pink thing in the center is his nose.
Man watching this makes me really impressed with how the PokeMMO devs took this and made it support any resolution and many zoom values, because they had to probably just have everything loaded at once but keep all the effects in the same manner
You can tell Derek hasn't really played Pokemon calling Pansage 'Passahje' 😂😂😂😂
I'd love to see some of these areas (eg. the Castelia City skyline) at different times of day to see if there are any differences (eg. Brightened light sources, potential additions to the skyboxes like stars etc.)
Me too! And during different times and seasons too!
10:05 The textures are actually ok, is just that the layer behind the facade (the one that gives the glass effect), and the facade itself are z-fighting because of the very low vertex accuracy.
I'd love to see a part two to this! It's fascinating how a lot of this stuff is pulled off (especially for the DS)!
My favorite (and first!) Pokémon game get's it's own episode.
I'm very happy about it.
Pokémon Black and White were two damn masterpieces and really ambitious projects (no old pokemon but all new, mature plot etc.)... but... it sold so poorly that I feel like it had a part in the franchise's slow degradation 😢
It didn't sell all that poorly; around 15 million copies while other new generations around this time sold around 16-18 million. But they were unfairly hated for both being "too similar" with "not enough changes", while others said it felt "too different" with many not wanting to read the plot details.
@@Dad_Shoes black and white and black and white 2 some of the best pokemon games
@@colinlohden9359 I agree, but many didn't think this until recently.
@@Dad_Shoesthis is actually so true. I remember a few years back i interacted with the online pokemon community for the first time and got clowned on for liking Gen 5. Now basically everyone came around and says they're (some of) the best and that they love them. I wonder how exactly they all changed their minds so quickly, honestly
@BlueSodaPop_ You wanna talk about being made fun of, Garbodor is unironically one of my favorite Pokémon of all time. I don't care that people think it's "just a living pile of trash", it's just as valid as any other Pokémon. People say Gen 5 Pokémon were "running out of ideas", I say they've always been out of ideas. A seal literally just named Seel. A psychic duck named Psyduck. Gen 1 was no more creative than Gen 5.
Several years back, I found out an oddity with Pokeballs when using a sprite ripping tool that works on gameplay. If you look at ripped sprite on a sheet, apparently every ball that can be used to catch pokemon has two angled sprites that's usually unseen by the player due to the flashy effects while catching a pokemon. The oddity is, The Pokeball has a 3rd frame to this while all the others do not. I dunno if this'll work but maybe your free camera can show it off from a back perspective. It's strange how only one of them have this but none of the others do but it could be a sudden decision by the devs to just leave it as 2 as no one would see. This 3rd sprite would easily line up a smooth animation to the open ball sprite (I still have these sprites as proof). I mentioned it in Chuggaaconroy's Black and White Video but it was left out.
Thanks for the video!! My favorite Pokémon generation! I’d love to see more, like N’s Castle, the Elite 4, Victory Road and much more! And if we’re talking about B2W2, I’d love to see Humilau and the Marine Tube!! And the Abyssal Ruins!
Man, there’s so many interesting places to see out of bounds!
Now I’m never gonna be able to unsee all the sprites doing the Smooth Criminal in this game.
This was great, I'd love to see some comparisons with Black/White 2 as well to see if they'd done any changes in culling or formatting anywhere.
The game being 3D was something I thought everyone knew about, it was obvious?
Back when developers still had to try to make games artistic. Fitting in optimization, creating charming sprite work. This game has soul, unlike whatever we are getting in current year.
games had TIME. TIME IN DEVELOPMENT. Adequate hardware! Limitations to the cartridges!
@@JeskidoYT Time is a big one. Gamers have come to expect new Triple A titles with more content than ever before and better graphics than ever before for a similar price to what many of us paid as kids. Even with modern advances in development tools a lot of those things require more time than before while development teams often have less time in part because if they don't release the next game they'll run out of funds because they aren't charging that much. This is a big part of the reason why we see so much DLC content that cost way more than it's really worth, they have to keep money flowing in so they can develop actual content (hopefully, some studios really do put out the same stuff year after year). Of course many publishers are also publicly traded companies which means they are legally required to do everything in their power to make their share holders more money year over year (which is responsible for a lot of the enshitification we see in the broader tech industry, companies reach a point where the only way to make more money is to screw over their customers). Another unfortunate truth is that there are enough whales (people who spend ridiculous amounts of money of things like cosmetics) that crappy free to play games (admittedly some are surprisingly good) are both more profitable and more sustainable than core games. One of the reasons I own a Switch is because as much as I sometimes hate giving Nintendo my money (due to their anti-consumer practices) they are one of the few still pushing core games with excellent single player experiences and occasionally great couch co-op experiences.
yes please! It's so bizarre to see my fave pokémon game being made and modelled like this, give such a different perspective. I'm stoked to see more of it!
It's been 41 seconds and this is already in my recommended that's crazy
Given how restrictive the camera is in this game it's a REAL treat to see how the 3D and 2D blend.
I'd like to see that underwater aquarium in Black and White 2.
Marine tube
Regular devs: "We'll just put dev cubes there for the buildings"
The B/W crew: "WE USED TO RIDE THESE BABIES FOR MILES!"
Lets all ban together to buy this man a rocketship so he can do an out of bounds of life.
I heard if you take the camera out far enough in Undella Bay, you’d be able to see Blueberry Academy
I recently saw a video that showed N being off-screen during the Chargestone Cave 'cutscene' in BW2 I think, so I wonder how many more there are. I'd be curious to see if larger Pokemon (eg wailord or legendaries) make the battle background scale more.
not showing late game places like black city, victory road, or even the cut scene when the plasma castle come out of the ground in the elite four is a crime lmao
video starts at 2:30
watching this video had the same mental impact on me as when i was first told santa claus wasn't real
God I love the limited 3D they use in this game, it's so charming
Dude Pokemon Black is my favorite game! I loved this video so much!
I definitely would love to see more of this. I learned so much about these games and I want to learn more.
That's so lovely that you allow requests in your Discord channel. That's so lovely to be so interactive and open to your audience. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰💛
that sponsorship comes out of nowhere lmao, it's like a jumpscare
In Black 2 and White2 theres a ton of 3d moments in the story - such as SPOILERS... freezing of a town from some kind of airship
This is SO interesting! PLEASE do a part 2!!
OMG My Comment on the original Mario RPG about cant waiting to see the remake came true much much sooner then anticipated. I just saw you had liked it 4 months ago. Thank you so very very much for making such great content.
Why did you put Unwavering Emotions as the background music? don't you know it's hard watching a video with tears in your eyes? (amazing video)
The world of Unova is so interesting to me in so many ways and game development wise is always a big one! I’d love to see a lot more from the areas past Nuevema and Castelia, all of the game’s other massive bridges and the big towers around the world would be super interesting to see a pan out of, and most definitely the Pokemon League and N’s Castle. There are a few cutscenes in the game that always seemed to be done in-engine with models of stuff like Zekrom and Reshiram and it would be amazing to see pan arounds of those scenes if possible.
The tilted sprites in the overworld remind me so much of how the Link's Awakening remake keeps the overworld slightly tilted so you can see everything. Very clever!
5:04 Yeah, the same kinda thing happens if you use a Walk Through Walls AR code and skip the gates; some towns end up partially-loaded like this.
My first Pokémon game… what memories.
Gen 5 was so beautiful, and most definitely this video gave me a few surprises, even though I played the game a few times over and played competitive for years too. Thanks for this one!
You should have shown us the battle environment during rotation battles.
Pokémon White was the first game in the series that I originally bought on physical media, to this day it is my favorite region and in my opinion one of the games that puts the DS to the limit in both sound and visual quality.
I really hope that the Pokémon Company doesn't screw up with the remakes like they did with BDSP, Unova deserves a complete and well-made remake with new additions like it was with FRLG/HGSS/ORAS.
This is super neat! I would have never thought it would look like this
Loved this! And would 100% love to see an episode on Outer Wilds!
This had way more to show than I would've expected, and it's actually kinda mindblowing!
This was so cool to see man! Thank you
Genuinely love Pokémon Black and White are probably my favourite in mainseries. While it's not surprising for 2d sprites on the 3d environment, I found it fascinating still just some of what is and isn't modelled as well as the layering for different sprites to animate them. Was very fun to watch.
This is super cool. I'm going to go watch the other videos in this series now.
these are my favorite games of all time. seeing this was really awesome. would love to see more from black and white as well as black and white 2
dude wtf thank you so much for this man … this scratches an itch in my brain since i first played this game about 11 years ago… i always wondered what was behind and around the map, and if i could i would love to explore past the map. thank you so much !!!! completing my childhood. This is my favourite game of all time
ok i know this may sound dumb but the background audio of the video made me tear up it reminded me of simpler times, times that were without hardships a past life that i have no control over
Aaaa a part 2 would be amazing
Great observations, gotta love to see all the little dev tricks in action.
Part 2 featuring Black 2 would be great! Also sections a bit later in the game that are more complex.
probably one of the more fascinating things to me is seeing that gamefreak was doing the forced perspective leaning thing with the overworld sprites long before a link between worlds came out, when the latter was praised a ton for that
Really happy to see a new upload from the channel hope to see more soon. Also I have a recommendation I would love to see a boundary break on the Scott Pilgrim video game which is my personal favorite side scroller beat em up I don't know if there's anything interesting to find out of bounds or anything but I just thought it was a cool suggestion for an episode
I have been WAITING!! for bw boundary break bc its one of my fav games of all time :D nice work on this vid!!
6:01 pansage????? u said pa-sa-ge
The battle sprites were always something I was curious about.
That's seriously impressive stuff, multiple parts for so many Pokémon
Loved this dive into one of my absolute favorite Pokemon games!
i really liked this boundary break, i was not aware of it being rushed at all until you mentioned it. really good video, i hope you come back to this and even get some stuff from b2w2
They were so close to reaching the style that Octopath Traveler uses! Even though I don't prefer a faithful remake, I'd make an exception if they used Octopath's style.
The ferris wheel carriages are probably just LODs for a distant static-view version of the model.
I wish the main series or maybe a spin-off pokemon game continued using this graphic style, a 2D/3D mix. Cassette Beast is the demonstration that it can work
Octopath Traveler
im fairly certain that everyone knew it was a 3D game with 2D sprites, its kind of obvious
loved this episode and want to see more! we gotta see N’s castle and the elite 4 and legendary pokémon
i had no idea the amount of work and artistry that went into achieving the illusions of these environments and such... so cool omg
I used to make animated stamps over on Deviant Art using the Black and White Pokemon sprite... for the longest of times I didn't realize they were not 100% one solid sprite but multiple sprites layered... Now that makes me wonder a few things about sprites are ripped from games and how that layering thing may affect sprite sheets.
Watching takes me way back when I began playing Pearl and then Black they day of its releases, it always had a charm to me that made me fall in love with the franchise all over again, there they are beautifully designed and the latest games are missing that creative charm in my personal opinion.
Seeing how they were pulled off just makes me admire the developers' work even more, I want to see more of these games
this was so cool!! i can't wait for the wonder episode :D
It's almost like Gamefreak were masters of small-scale, 2D graphics, and the decision to go full 3D with such a tiny and inexperienced team has hamstrung the series for over a decade now!
i would love to see battle effects in the battle arena - does the whole space fill when you use surf, for example?
Would it move and pan relative to the environment or relative to the camera? The Pokemon don't stay in place in the spotlights during the pan out, so I think it's more likely the effects would look the same regardless of where the camera is in the environment or at least that they would fill roughly the same amount of the screen.
@@BonaparteBardithion oh, that’s a good idea! i was thinking maybe the battle arena was that big so effects like that could fill a space with more depth or something, but that makes sense :))
I love this Kind of videos! Let there be a second part!
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lol, Serena is in the intro.
She’s gen 6 which makes kinda funny.
Seeing the Pokémon Center from the second floor feels surreal
My lord it felt like we didn't see so much! The models for some more complicated Pokémon would be great! Like Rayquaza say. Would be great to see the Pokémon League and definitely some more gyms. Also I believe some more pivotal story moments have very cool environments.
I love/hate the way he says pansage. Best pronunciation of pansage ever🤣
Pah-sauge vs. Pansage lol
We really need to get this guy to do Spider-Man 2 I really want to see what things look like during the black cat portal mission or what the lizard looks like under water where would that Arctic section in the black cat mission looks in the area around the zoo
Pokemon BW is my favorite Pokemon game, I'm so glad you covered it❤!! I would love to see a second part too
Black 2 and White 2 will be more interesting. I found a secret myself in Black 2. In Driftveil Bridge, there are some Pokemon Centers in the background
This is SO FASCINATING