The Fundamental Intentions of Neutral

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  • čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
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Komentáře • 55

  • @dudutsai
    @dudutsai Před 3 lety +27

    I've definitely played 1 IQ Melee before. Big fan!!

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety +5

      u beat me in 1 iq melee with big sword guy

  • @hollaa
    @hollaa Před 3 lety +18

    im a big fan of the hold forward part

  • @Patrick-bn5rp
    @Patrick-bn5rp Před 3 lety +28

    "It doesn't help that there's 26 different characters with different movesets"
    Me, an Ultimate player:
    (*Sweats profusely*)

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety +3

      oh man i cannot even begin to fathom what that must be like hahaha

    • @actuallynotsteve
      @actuallynotsteve Před 2 lety

      @@DarwinDing It's amazing, Ultimate is just nuts. There are something like 3500 unique 1 v 1 matchups, maybe more now that there's DLC. Almost no 2 characters play alike either, at least IMHO...Fox and Falco are similar, and the FE echoes are obviously similar, but there's just no way to remember every matchup.
      Every single tournament you'll see matchups that you've never seen before at the high level.

    • @pranavjulakanti7027
      @pranavjulakanti7027 Před rokem

      @@actuallynotsteve that's great for a spectator but a nightmare for a competitor haha

    • @KIRB881
      @KIRB881 Před 9 měsíci

      That's why I swapped to 64 and melee

  • @KnishG
    @KnishG Před 3 lety +13

    This is such a creative way to describe neutral. Really great points about how whiff punish shines above the other options. Keep it coming these videos are amazing.

  • @thecadenbaker
    @thecadenbaker Před 3 lety +5

    glad i was randomly up at 5:30 am to see this

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal Před 3 lety +17

    Wait, I have actually played 2 IQ Melee before. It’s the exact same thing as a Melee minigame some people call “Bowser Tilt”, which is where you play Super Sudden Death Bowser dittos on FD and you can only walk/dash and ftilt. I think it’s even more fun than with Fox because everything is slightly more reactable.
    Also great video as usual, very cool to see an analysis on neutral because I think it is way, way less understood by the average Melee player than punish and defensive game, where there are a lot more “true answers”.

  • @GimR
    @GimR Před 2 lety +3

    great video!

  • @zachcarter7022
    @zachcarter7022 Před 3 lety +2

    This is fantastic work keep it up bro

  • @vietchuxuan8789
    @vietchuxuan8789 Před 26 dny

    Unironically an amazing video. Thanks a lot!

  • @FDGL
    @FDGL Před 2 lety +2

    this was super helpful to understand neutral in melee! thank you very much for this video.

  • @shadowninja433
    @shadowninja433 Před 2 lety

    I feel like there is another massive level to the game that is pure, unexplored execution, specifically, ' missed execution options ' and punishes.

  • @nilpholan
    @nilpholan Před 2 lety +1

    good stuff yo!

  • @Prbasss
    @Prbasss Před měsícem

    great video dude

  • @DrewZGmusic
    @DrewZGmusic Před 2 lety

    This is the most informative video on neutral I've ever seen, hell yeah

  • @taciprince7400
    @taciprince7400 Před 11 měsíci

    Just starting out. I’m pretty casual with just some experience against friends so it was nice to have a concise breakdown of this

  • @megahertz23
    @megahertz23 Před 3 lety

    Super insightful video

  • @hundrds1283
    @hundrds1283 Před 3 lety +1

    Just watched this during Rollback Rumble fantastic video thank you

  • @cyfer115
    @cyfer115 Před 3 lety +1

    “Yes I did mess this up twice”
    LOL

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety +1

      i had been planning on rerecording that part and then it got so late i was like eh fuck it captions are fine LOL
      im glad you got a kick out of it

  • @joshcummins3916
    @joshcummins3916 Před 2 lety

    Man when you explain it at a simple level it makes way more sense. I need to focus on the big picture instead of trying flowchart moves.

  • @connorkillmice
    @connorkillmice Před rokem

    i wish i watched this 10 years ago

  • @Amaling
    @Amaling Před 2 lety

    My first answer to the 2IQ melee flowchart kid was to preemptively hit them before they arrive into “within range” rather than dash back. Idk what this says about me as a player, but it does indeed also best the flowchart, as discussed later

  • @maxono1465
    @maxono1465 Před 3 lety

    sick video

  • @TetraBui
    @TetraBui Před rokem +1

    Instead of using 2 IQ melee, we could use the game Footsies, which entire point of the game is to teach this.

  • @WindaMaplerDivineKYO
    @WindaMaplerDivineKYO Před 3 lety +1

    i like shielding

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety

      ur character shields twice it is OP

  • @lokemer1093
    @lokemer1093 Před 11 měsíci

    So good. i love melee

  • @ayeeitsluke
    @ayeeitsluke Před 3 lety

    i love simplification brain scenarios to understand parts of a game

  • @puppystylexd
    @puppystylexd Před 3 lety

    ANOTHER VIDEO FOR THE AGES KEEP IT GOING LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE EXPAND THAT IQ

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety +1

      WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @JManthegamerdude
    @JManthegamerdude Před rokem

    Okay that's the last straw. Take mein sub.

  • @King_Wiggler
    @King_Wiggler Před 3 lety

    Great video, you could make a video in the same style as rishi's video about decision making in smash. I think it would help new players tremendously

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety

      oh man i forgot about that video, will have to rewatch but that's a cool idea -- you thinkin something about the meta of how people make decisions in-game or something?

    • @King_Wiggler
      @King_Wiggler Před 3 lety

      @@DarwinDing yeah exactly

  • @brushycat
    @brushycat Před 3 lety +2

    i wish this existed when i started playing fighters lol

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety

      u didnt need it to beat gootecks tho

    • @brushycat
      @brushycat Před 3 lety

      @@DarwinDing tuh ROOOOO

  • @skiptts
    @skiptts Před 2 lety

    Waiiiiiiit why the turnip go through the stage ? 7:48

  • @zorfrak
    @zorfrak Před 3 lety

    2 iq melee bracket when?

  • @jessewatters6099
    @jessewatters6099 Před 2 lety

    Are you eyes always that Asian or did it being 5:30 and you being super tired make them look more Asian than usual?!

  • @taylorbee4010
    @taylorbee4010 Před rokem

    Calling smash bros a fighting game, actually explaining neutral
    And linking it to other actual fighting games. You madman! You’ll have both communities after you! You can’t tell them the TRUTH!!!

  • @frebo2541
    @frebo2541 Před 3 lety

    Shouldn't baiting also be discussed as a tool of 2 IQ melee?

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  Před 3 lety +2

      haha in some ways i would say whiff punishing is probably the only way you can realistically bait in 2 IQ melee, given that attacking is death, but i could have called that out more explicitly! honestly there is so much depth to even this barebones neutral thing that i had to cut out a lot so that this didnt become really tedious to watch