The Thing About Westside Barbell That Nobody Talks About | elitefts.com

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  • @NaturalHypertrophy
    @NaturalHypertrophy Před 4 lety +222

    The fact that they didn't even check to see if the shirt was going to fit before meet day is insane. You would never see that in today's equipped PL

    • @TheUnholyPosole
      @TheUnholyPosole Před 4 lety +21

      It's not insane, it's lazyness really.

    • @Dr_Footbrake
      @Dr_Footbrake Před 4 lety +9

      Equipment is a lot different nowadays. I've used some of the old bench shirts and it's like using a blue slingshot

    • @ZaneGeeting
      @ZaneGeeting Před 4 lety +4

      @@Dr_Footbrake Only a million times less comfortable, lol

    • @ericcartmansstrengthandpow5960
      @ericcartmansstrengthandpow5960 Před 4 lety +4

      Dude, you need to get a job. Seriously.

    • @SquatBenDeadlift
      @SquatBenDeadlift Před 4 lety +2

      the fact that they didn’t even break in their suits / shirt just months / weeks before a meet . that is so ignorant ,

  • @zeljko4189
    @zeljko4189 Před 4 lety +190

    Lifters today are so into specificity that they have a mockup meet before a meet in the exact singlet,shoes and sleeves.Haha times have changed.

    • @jjortiz6324
      @jjortiz6324 Před 4 lety +21

      Lol yeah lifters are way better and stronger now while raw

    • @racingdesire
      @racingdesire Před 4 lety +21

      The rules are a lot tighter now, westside guys didnt have to worry about depth or a proper touch or lockout

    • @DoyleStrengthAndPerformance
      @DoyleStrengthAndPerformance Před 4 lety +19

      @@racingdesire the old school westside had very hard judging. Another misconception

    • @ThePrepAquatic
      @ThePrepAquatic Před 4 lety +6

      It's called evolution hence why lifters today rep their PR's.

    • @hick5y
      @hick5y Před 4 lety

      JJ Ortiz haha exactly.

  • @shantanusapru
    @shantanusapru Před 4 lety +48

    I love his answer! Measured, non-blaming, self-effacing...True greatness here!

  • @242pwrlftr
    @242pwrlftr Před 4 lety +33

    The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.

  • @BeaterCar
    @BeaterCar Před 4 lety +282

    When dave said gear i thought he was talking about drugs

    • @its_james_fitness
      @its_james_fitness Před 4 lety +11

      He still used anabolics. Not that that's a problem, I'm js, he openly talks about it in a recent video that came out when he claimed his meds to the doctors when he tore a pec

    • @marcusmuelthaler6633
      @marcusmuelthaler6633 Před 4 lety

      Me too

    • @marcusmuelthaler6633
      @marcusmuelthaler6633 Před 4 lety +1

      Omne Obstat you’re buggin lol roids will up your PR’s in a month. Prob even sooner.

    • @johnswaim3919
      @johnswaim3919 Před 4 lety +2

      Me too. Gear = peds

    • @32srt32
      @32srt32 Před 4 lety +2

      He's talking about squat suit and bench shirts gear. Not anabolica

  • @nyguy5370
    @nyguy5370 Před 2 lety +9

    The thing is, everything evolves. Obviously Louie Simmons had a successful approach to training. Because Dave and other veterans of the Westside “school” ask these questions, they have evolved the training methods further. Just as their disciples will continue to do.

  • @JohnsGym402
    @JohnsGym402 Před 2 lety +2

    WOW. Really makes you think. Thanks for the transparency Dave.

  • @ReallyStrongGuy
    @ReallyStrongGuy Před 4 lety +12

    A physically strong man who has intelligence, wisdom, humility and emotional control is rare af! Great to see that in the world.

    • @aguuug5139
      @aguuug5139 Před rokem

      You dont see a man like rhat in this video either...

  • @jimhollywood2763
    @jimhollywood2763 Před 4 lety +51

    He was awesome on Orange County Choppers

    • @MortonT1958
      @MortonT1958 Před 4 lety +1

      Jim Hollywood: I miss that show 🙁

  • @hendohenderson2460
    @hendohenderson2460 Před 4 lety +14

    Its funny i never thought you guys were in there with gear on, i always had a feeling it was completely raw cause of the way westside was described back in the day.

  • @volumedaddy6917
    @volumedaddy6917 Před 2 lety +2

    Finally this channel is getting the growth it deserved

  • @leedowner2249
    @leedowner2249 Před 4 lety +46

    Why in equipped lifting would you not train in the equipment?
    Suits and shirts are far different from just using a belt or wraps.

    • @davidmb3376
      @davidmb3376 Před 4 lety +15

      They trained their dynamic squats in briefs, which to me at least feels similar enough to full gear that I don’t need to wear full gear in training. I also only wear a shirt once a month. In Dave’s day, the gear wasn’t nearly as advanced as it is now so they didn’t need as much practice in it

    • @leedowner2249
      @leedowner2249 Před 4 lety +2

      @Jordan M that's what I thought regarding the skill aspect, if I squat beltless it's the same as with a belt I just won't get as much stability.
      Squats with and without a suit might be two totally different lifts and therefore can't expect the transfer over.
      I don't know, never done equipped lifting, just sleeves and a belt for me

    • @davidmb3376
      @davidmb3376 Před 4 lety +1

      Jordan M it probably would’ve, but they still got fantastic results doing it that way. Kenny Patterson and George Halbert were putting up massive benches only using shirts once or twice per training cycle

    • @TheUnholyPosole
      @TheUnholyPosole Před 4 lety +2

      ...ego

    • @Jmack7861
      @Jmack7861 Před 4 lety +1

      Omne Obstat it simulates the strength curve but it doesn’t simulate the technique or skill. For some reason, on paper, west side did everything incorrectly and still somehow managed to succeed

  • @big0514
    @big0514 Před 4 lety +26

    No belts and they were lifting incredible weights.

  • @chris-hu7tm
    @chris-hu7tm Před 4 lety +11

    I agree fully, westside barbell pretty much only took in the ones with the absolute best potential, so naturally they gonna get good results

    • @kyleshreve6456
      @kyleshreve6456 Před 4 lety +9

      That couldn’t be further from the truth. Westside started by taking neighborhood kids and making them world record holders. Chuck V, Kenny Patterson, George halbert, Matt dimmel were all from Louie’s neighborhood.

    • @ajgrant6172
      @ajgrant6172 Před 3 lety +7

      The ones with the so-called "best potential" are/were the ones that work the hardest. Whomever does that (ANYBODY) will net good results. If you're not one of those......you sure as shit aren't worth taking.

    • @thesnailshow8004
      @thesnailshow8004 Před rokem

      ​@@kyleshreve6456 still doesn't mean they weren't world class. What you think world class lifters are made in a lab? All world class lifters were once the kid living down the street

    • @kyleshreve6456
      @kyleshreve6456 Před rokem

      @@thesnailshow8004 that’s literally exactly what I said?

    • @ouroboroscartel8079
      @ouroboroscartel8079 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ajgrant6172💯💯💯 nearly every single time someone uses them comments (oh it’s just drugs or oh it’s genetics etc…) it’s fkin excuses to self limit n to not try to be your best self, ofc genetics n drugs make a difference but most of the people using em as an excuse ain’t even close to knowing how to work hard for real, no wonder erryone turning into pussies 😂😂

  • @mauromartins2547
    @mauromartins2547 Před 4 lety +8

    Dave tate and mark Bell, 5 star persons and 5 star powerlifters

  • @rizzotamez
    @rizzotamez Před 4 lety +3

    As a powerlifting coach- the way to structure effectively is by designing specific training cycles for equipment and non-equipment sessions

  • @ivan_9386
    @ivan_9386 Před 4 lety +15

    More clips from this interview!

  • @mkrulic517439
    @mkrulic517439 Před 4 lety +17

    never go into a battle with an untested weapon. translation. train with whatever you will compete with.

  • @ByronTexas
    @ByronTexas Před rokem +1

    That is so hard to believe that they didn’t learn their gear before the meets.

  • @AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw
    @AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw Před 4 lety +3

    The fact that Chuck could’ve been way stronger is scary as fuck

  • @zboy3456
    @zboy3456 Před 4 lety +14

    their whole lives are the gym. why not take the effort to put on the suits? doesn’t make sense to me. louie has some gaps in his logic. specificity just seems to make sense. i’m no expert tho

    • @MasoNowa
      @MasoNowa Před 4 lety +8

      Like Dave said, based on hoffs numbers louie figured out something more optimal with their training.

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 Před 4 lety +8

      If you listen to Dave speak, it’s clear the gear wasn’t a big deal at the time. Canvas diaper is pretty dismissive.

  • @bryngolden9133
    @bryngolden9133 Před 4 lety +9

    That would be like being a race car driver but practicing on the highway in a regular car.

  • @anthonylewallen9335
    @anthonylewallen9335 Před 4 lety +24

    All the haters: "Westside ain't for RAW Lifters."
    Westside Barbell: Proceeds to do 99.99999999999% of their training raw.
    But it doesn't work right?

  • @joselgaucho
    @joselgaucho Před 4 lety

    this is the missed link of the chain. Now I can figure out a lot of things about conjugate method.

  • @twinnisme
    @twinnisme Před 3 lety +1

    Can anyone be a powerlifter? Serious question..can someone build the mental, physical and love to do it? Or are powerlifters like the fellas that go to Westside barbell born to do it.

    • @lucifuge.777
      @lucifuge.777 Před 3 lety +3

      The problem with training for powerlifting is that it’s monotonous and it’s more taxing than people expect.
      When you’re putting everything into executing a lift perfectly to comp standards even on volume work, it gets tiresome and sometimes boring.
      If you’re constantly motivated by gaining strength and being the best you can be in that discipline then powerlifting is for you. If you’re the type of person who gets bored by the same repetitive work and expect results to come in a matter of weeks. Forget it.

    • @thatfatasiankid5701
      @thatfatasiankid5701 Před 3 lety +3

      If you've stepped on the platform and you've put up a total then yeah you're a powerlifer. You don't have to be in gear or train a certain way. It has been 4 years since I've competed or even had an interest so who knows whats changed in this sport.

    • @twinnisme
      @twinnisme Před 3 lety

      @@thatfatasiankid5701 respect

    • @tubeguy4066
      @tubeguy4066 Před 3 lety +2

      It's just like any other hobby. But you should still lift regardless

  • @sacotrev3560
    @sacotrev3560 Před 4 lety +1

    What a gym!

    • @Kyle06531
      @Kyle06531 Před 4 lety

      SACO Trev a bunch of idiots

  • @rinzler666
    @rinzler666 Před 3 lety +1

    Hell yeah! Fuck straps and wraps! Raw gripping power all the way!

  • @chaosdweller
    @chaosdweller Před 4 lety +3

    I was pleased to hear that he "seems" to approves of lifting without a belt for the most part. Now that Im training martial arts I hardly ever were one, for sport specificity reasons.

    • @JohnsGym402
      @JohnsGym402 Před 2 lety +6

      Yeah, but I bet you wear shin pads and head gear. These tools including the belt all have a great purpose.

  • @jeralnlawrence5011
    @jeralnlawrence5011 Před 4 lety +7

    Dave, Louie has youtube post from 2 days ago showing film from you and others box squatting with a belt.

    • @euanmorse
      @euanmorse Před 4 lety +1

      jeraln lawrence he said they did do it but they’d get shit for it

  • @youreshouldoflearntgrammer8277

    Dat Tesla Coil doe

  • @102liljon
    @102liljon Před 4 lety +1

    That’s wild

  • @achieveidealweighify
    @achieveidealweighify Před rokem

    Very interesting

  • @user-zy9yg2eu5t
    @user-zy9yg2eu5t Před 3 lety +2

    As a casual observer, isn't using bench shirts and suits against the point of strength training? Surely it is to see how strong the human body is? Might as well allow bionic arms

    • @slicktrips
      @slicktrips Před 2 lety +1

      Absolutely not, using gear is all about putting more pounds on the bar than your body can handle, so say average guy has a 225 max bench use a bench shirt get 315, move forward and average guy now benches say 295 - 300 use a bench shirt and get 390 maybe 405 the goal is to get as strong as you possibly can with out equipment, using gear wether it be a bench shirt, squat suit or deadlift suit is like a peek in to the future but ultimately it's the insane drive to add even five more pounds on the bar that pushes people do do it

    • @desslattery3457
      @desslattery3457 Před 2 lety

      100 correct especially in strongman it should be pure raw, strongman is the most natural strength sport in the world, it man again heavy weight like from the beginning of time, it should be natural. A Tee shirt shorts and trainers ban everything else including chalk

    • @Dr_Footbrake
      @Dr_Footbrake Před rokem

      Strength training - kinda (context dependent)
      Powerlifting - not at all.
      The sport of powerlifting isn’t necessarily about who is the strongest (though strength obviously helps).
      It’s about who lifts the most weight.
      Wearing a bench shirt, squat suit, wraps, belt all allow you to lift more weight which is why all the top competitors will wear wear whatever equipment their class/fed allows.

  • @32srt32
    @32srt32 Před 4 lety +1

    What song is that in the background at the end of the episode?

  • @whitebelt2905
    @whitebelt2905 Před 4 lety +1

    I’ve seen training videos of them training in gear

  • @bangermccrusher
    @bangermccrusher Před 4 lety

    Name of the song????

  • @ALT_RIGHT
    @ALT_RIGHT Před 3 lety +4

    The Culture has been destroyed by all the micro breakdowns of everything. Btw gear is for dipshots. If the shirt gives you 375lbs
    The shirt is lifting 375lbs. What's the point...

  • @larrymasterspowerbuildingc4477

    SOMEONE HELP ME OUT HERE: AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRRECTLY? So they just threw the shit on before the meet. That's insane. I never noticed that in the old training videos. No wraps, no belts, just good old fashioned steroids and maniac training and then on the day of the meet you throw on the super suits? fuck. No wonder now IN 2020 they are getting so much out of the equipped canvas gear because they are training the lifter IN the gear now.

  • @rimstho
    @rimstho Před 4 lety +2

    I wish Dave was my dad

  • @SleepyMechanics
    @SleepyMechanics Před 3 lety

    I thought He meant roids with gear 😂

  • @cliffonator1111
    @cliffonator1111 Před 4 lety

    Didn't train with gear but you competed in them so did any westside guys win raw events?

    • @Dr_Footbrake
      @Dr_Footbrake Před rokem

      Raw didn’t exist from like 1975 til 2010(ish).
      Part of the reason a lot of the raw ATWR stood for so long - there were basically no opportunities to break.

  • @kerpal321
    @kerpal321 Před 4 lety +2

    how come all these powerlifting guys look like jason blaha

  • @AgiDaKinG
    @AgiDaKinG Před 4 lety +3

    Basically what he's saying is that Westside Barbell is, or WAS the epitome of brawn vs. brain

  • @Gainzville99
    @Gainzville99 Před 4 lety

    YEE YEE

  • @josephwilkinson1610
    @josephwilkinson1610 Před 2 lety

    Tar

    • @eliteftsofficial
      @eliteftsofficial  Před 2 lety

      what does it mean

    • @josephwilkinson1610
      @josephwilkinson1610 Před 2 lety

      Tar= Thank you. I'm from Liverpool, UK. Most of us here are primarily of Irish Decent, CUlture, Genetics, etc. Liverpool, "Tar" being one of many staples of the Liverpool/"scouse" dialect. (BONUS="Scouse" has it's origins in a Scandinavian Stewed dish-Laubskousern)

  • @apuuvah
    @apuuvah Před 4 lety

    RAW is the only powerlifting. I mean, WTF? Why don't ya just get a fucking forklift while you're at it.

  • @Omar-tu9qf
    @Omar-tu9qf Před 4 lety

    These guys are all on drugs and using assistance to lift heavy. Not realistic.

  • @chaser4251
    @chaser4251 Před 4 lety

    wtf is this guy pausing for and looking at the ceiling. I hate people like that

    • @RR42636
      @RR42636 Před 2 lety +1

      You hate yourself

  • @vanguard4065
    @vanguard4065 Před 4 lety +1

    why the hell does dave tate wear a hoodie? i mean he’s a big guy and big guys don’t wear hoodies unless they are insecure former roid heads hiding.

    • @pitbullpowersystems8704
      @pitbullpowersystems8704 Před 4 lety +14

      Fuck off you ass.

    • @orosebud
      @orosebud Před 4 lety +13

      Maybe cos he likes hoodies?

    • @DavidByrne85
      @DavidByrne85 Před 4 lety +12

      You get some strange chat on yt comments....

    • @user-go5hv6dg3d
      @user-go5hv6dg3d Před 4 lety

      I work in one all day then after work ill wear a swole shirt... lol

    • @samplant8482
      @samplant8482 Před 4 lety +4

      Omne Obstat he wears that hat because unlike you, he is probably a contributing member of society, you fool.

  • @242pwrlftr
    @242pwrlftr Před 4 lety +2

    The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.