The video should have shown the logistics manager refusing delivery and calling up the Raymond rep saying "I just spend 30k and you idiots send it to me on it's side?"
Boxhawk: That lift has a 10 to 12 foot lowered mast. It won't go in to the back of a semi trailer standing up. (Or a standard dock door). All manufacturers have to lay lifts that size down for transportation.
Thanks for this video. I’ve always wondered how they got those high-mast reach trucks & order pickers in a warehouse bldg with normal height dock doors.
I saw two get delivered to my workplace. The truck they were delivered on had a crane on the back. Dropped it off on its side in a regular loading door, then backed into the warehouse through the big boy door
At mine the extended mast ones came in without the masts installed as they were too tall for any external door. They used a bigger forklift and installed it inside.
So order pickers are only any good if you already own two forklifts! The guy that didnt have two forlifts found that out the hard way when his low box arrived!
The one I drive is 5 tons, and sized to fit in smaller 12-pallet capacity box trucks...neatly; be less of a tight fit if the safety strobe was underslung rather than top-mounted like a top hat...but, meh.
Yeah, the OP i drive is 8 tons, you wouldnt think it would be the slightest bit heavier than a car, until someone crashes it into an isle and it bends a whole section of solid metal in simply going like 4 to 5mph
This is a great video on what never to do. Rigging, personnel placement, torque impact on the rigging straps, running the forks through the strap eyes, etc, etc, etc.
This process had the potential to go sideways. Literally. The supervisor or whoever was in the squash me zone. Because the one with straps didn’t stay directly over the load, it had the potential to pull that one over also. ( unless it was much larger)
I've never seen these delivered nose down. They're usually laying on side fully crated which makes for safer raising. Raising from front to back is too much distance and invites accidents. Side lifting only has 4 feet of width so is less margin for error.
There is nothing anymore or less safe doing it either way. Ive done thousands of them over the last 20 year both ways and it really just comes down to making sure the rigging you use won't come apart mid lift and that you go slow. Either way its still nerve wrecking to lift a new unit in front of the inevitable audience that gathers around
@@sonnieandjacob I was nearby when the rigging Fell apart on one being lifted. Thankfully It was almost to the ground, and there was no Damage done to it, It just made a bit louder Thud
I am a Raymond technician and that is not a video worth putting up .as a safe method to lift a order picker it worked but has probability for failure. if crate plate broke there goes the new truck or if forklift with strap lean forward😲
And I am service technician in Belgium, about 30 years now, from Toyota BT and this is NOT the correct way. The got lucky that the wooden blocks beside the mast don't slips away when they tilting the machine over his dead point. Normally the forklift, an the right side, always have contact with the order picker and even lift the machine of the surface ... hanging freely of ground when they tip over. And the forklift on the left must always have the straps under tension, never get them loose and that is why the machine suddenly and unsuspected tilting over leaning on the wooden blocs ... :( They both make a mistake This was ... terrifying and nearby ... As my dear collega, Raymond technician, Jorge Garcia already told. This could have been gone wrong, they just got lucky
Thing is they probably were never told how to stand them up or how to do it so they just did what told get it up so did whatever idea they could come up with. They were probably never given instructions from the makers how and their boss since never were told how came up with this idea.
Toyota tech with 30 years under my belt. Spent the last 3 weeks standing up OME's and this is not the way to do it. No back up if anything goes sideways. Putting your trust in some crusty knotted slings and a few bits of timber.
@@miklomorales4768 we use a 6000lb counterbalance. Lift straight up and ride the brakes as it starts to pull you forward. Once it’s upright, cut the banding and use the mast of the counter balance to lay down the cradle.
Is the rudeness really necessary? Swear words just show the inability of a language. And that we all know come from not the sharpest pencils. I just had to mention it.
So, NO claim to have ever worked in warehouse envirn, But I have ridden on a man lift, which is essentially a moving belt, with places to grab , and rest ur ft,
Forklift on the left should've lowered his fork significantly (effectively shortening the strap whatever way). The way he did it he objected himself to a lot of leverage.
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I mean the straps on the left forklift should've been much shorter, so the forklift could keep his forks much closer to the attachment points on the OP. Of course he would always need to keep the straps in tension. I guess they had to avoid the OP's operator roof with the forklift's forks, but I don't know why they opted to go higher rather than lower. Maybe they just didn't have the right length of straps available.
@@MrSaemichlaus Fair enough. Considering that they didn't have a proper material hoist for this job, it's possible they didn't have the correct length of strap, either.
I’ve stood up many of these that was totally 100% the incorrect way of doing it the right fork lift should have continued lift until it was almost vertical the the two let it down evenly
This is how we do it.must have installed over a dozen of these... and at least 6 swing reaches.many comments stating unsafe,osha crap.....well how else would you stand it up??????
Right? If it works, and nothing happened. Perfectly fine. If something were to happen, oh well, fix it or order another. OSHA cant be an excuse for everything, especially getting out or work or costing someone more money..
How unsafe is their way of top and tailing a VNA machine, yes the machine is a lightweight compared with some I install, a large truck 4 ton plus, with a job, and a crane on the other is the only safe way.
U are lucky... work under risk ..Reach truck BT is very good, can dismental mast ... raymond R&D must do something for good and safety machine installation at customer site or outdoor...
I have stood up and laid down dozens of Raymond Reach, order pickers and swing reaches. This is definitely NOT the correct way. WOW! I've seen sales man do better this.
All they had to do was put a chain around the mast of the forks raising it and attach it to the crate. Then there would have been no chance of it slamming to the ground. They got lucky if you ask me.
That's a ridiculous statement. Would you prefer they rush the job and let the machine slip and slam into the ground? (Of course, this isn't the correct way to stand up a machine like that in the first place, but that's besides the point.)
Thanks for this video. I’ve always wondered how they got those high-mast reach trucks & order pickers in a warehouse bldg with normal height dock doors.
And that's how a new stand up forklift is born
@Aloha Akahai a cherry picker has a box this is an order picker.
We just witnessed the mating dance of a reach truck and a cb
The birds and the bees
It's an stuck (cherry) picker...
I hope the orderpicker doesn't get stood up often, it's self esteem will suffer.
The video should have shown the logistics manager refusing delivery and calling up the Raymond rep saying "I just spend 30k and you idiots send it to me on it's side?"
Boxhawk: That lift has a 10 to 12 foot lowered mast. It won't go in to the back of a semi trailer standing up. (Or a standard dock door). All manufacturers have to lay lifts that size down for transportation.
myfoneuploads Pretty sure he was joking lol
flatbed?
how else were they going to transport it? it's way too tall to leave it standing up.
for reachtrucks they remove the mast prior to transportation and re install it inside the store - i have no idea is this is possible to order pickers
Thanks for this video. I’ve always wondered how they got those high-mast reach trucks & order pickers
in a warehouse bldg with normal height dock doors.
I saw two get delivered to my workplace. The truck they were delivered on had a crane on the back. Dropped it off on its side in a regular loading door, then backed into the warehouse through the big boy door
At mine the extended mast ones came in without the masts installed as they were too tall for any external door. They used a bigger forklift and installed it inside.
So order pickers are only any good if you already own two forklifts!
The guy that didnt have two forlifts found that out the hard way when his low box arrived!
Nice. I've seen them on their side like this for maintenance. Never seen it lifted back up
Most people don't appreciate just how massively f*cking heavy forklifts are.
The one I drive is 5 tons, and sized to fit in smaller 12-pallet capacity box trucks...neatly; be less of a tight fit if the safety strobe was underslung rather than top-mounted like a top hat...but, meh.
Yup. People don't realize these are much heavier than a car. This machine pictured will double its weight again once the battery is in.
@@terryhoyt2058 Let's just say you don't want one of those things running over your foot.
Or your Tesla.
Yeah, the OP i drive is 8 tons, you wouldnt think it would be the slightest bit heavier than a car, until someone crashes it into an isle and it bends a whole section of solid metal in simply going like 4 to 5mph
Gotta be a good bit heavier than the stuff it's lifting, after all.@@FosterC144
This is a great video on what never to do. Rigging, personnel placement, torque impact on the rigging straps, running the forks through the strap eyes, etc, etc, etc.
as an OP user, seeing one down like that gave me goosebumps....even if it is delivered that way, that position is a picker's worst nightmare...
Agreed coming from another OP lol
WhatEVER!🤷🏿
Oh, that’s clever!!
They made it like easy 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Of course it came in laying down. That machine is 12 feet tall at it’s collapsed height.
Love how "Sweet Dreams" by Eurythmics is playing in the background.
This process had the potential to go sideways.
Literally.
The supervisor or whoever was in the squash me zone.
Because the one with straps didn’t stay directly over the load, it had the potential to pull that one over also. ( unless it was much larger)
So it takes a forklift to raise a forklift. Got it!
Always utilize safety and proper operation when in or around industrial equipment, especially around these!
wow! nicely done.
Solidarity. My bro deserves more for fixing that bullshit.
If the base was lifted a little higher then it wouldn't have left the forks of the right truck so abrubptly.
I've never seen these delivered nose down. They're usually laying on side fully crated which makes for safer raising. Raising from front to back is too much distance and invites accidents. Side lifting only has 4 feet of width so is less margin for error.
There is nothing anymore or less safe doing it either way. Ive done thousands of them over the last 20 year both ways and it really just comes down to making sure the rigging you use won't come apart mid lift and that you go slow. Either way its still nerve wrecking to lift a new unit in front of the inevitable audience that gathers around
@@sonnieandjacob
I was nearby when the rigging Fell apart on one being lifted. Thankfully It was almost to the ground, and there was no Damage done to it, It just made a bit louder Thud
I would always take the crate off first. Easier to raise without it.
The proper way is to call in a professional rigging company and shift all liabilities onto them. Its short change in the big picture.
Good job
I had done it ,good video 🙂
How do you get the first one delivered up???
Worked in warehouses in the 70s...Dont miss that work.
Cabless?
Whoever did this is fired fired
nice
I am a Raymond technician and that is not a video worth putting up .as a safe method to lift a order picker it worked but has probability for failure. if crate plate broke there goes the new truck or if forklift with strap lean forward😲
an order picker*
And I am service technician in Belgium, about 30 years now, from Toyota BT and this is NOT the correct way.
The got lucky that the wooden blocks beside the mast don't slips away when they tilting the machine over his dead point.
Normally the forklift, an the right side, always have contact with the order picker and even lift the machine of the surface ... hanging freely of ground when they tip over.
And the forklift on the left must always have the straps under tension, never get them loose and that is why the machine suddenly and unsuspected tilting over leaning on the wooden blocs ... :(
They both make a mistake
This was ... terrifying and nearby ...
As my dear collega, Raymond technician, Jorge Garcia already told.
This could have been gone wrong, they just got lucky
Thing is they probably were never told how to stand them up or how to do it so they just did what told get it up so did whatever idea they could come up with. They were probably never given instructions from the makers how and their boss since never were told how came up with this idea.
Toyota tech with 30 years under my belt. Spent the last 3 weeks standing up OME's and this is not the way to do it. No back up if anything goes sideways. Putting your trust in some crusty knotted slings and a few bits of timber.
Who cares jackass
Nice job. I see others saying it was done improperly, maybe so. I wonder if it ships with righting instructions?
I don't think they do and they expect companies to know how to do it.
forklift on forklift action
Not to poke fun at the competition but at my company, we do this with one lift and one technician 😉
How
Try lifting a Raymond turret truck
@@miklomorales4768 we use a 6000lb counterbalance. Lift straight up and ride the brakes as it starts to pull you forward. Once it’s upright, cut the banding and use the mast of the counter balance to lay down the cradle.
@@kevindillard5436 makes sense lol
Question, how the fuck does this happen to BEGIN WITH
Edit: it looks new, so is this how it was shipped?
That's a reach trunk, not an OP.
Look again
Is the rudeness really necessary? Swear words just show the inability of a language. And that we all know come from not the sharpest pencils. I just had to mention it.
So, NO claim to have ever worked in warehouse envirn, But I have ridden on a man lift, which is essentially a moving belt, with places to grab , and rest ur ft,
That's how it's done in India.
Yay you
Sunil chougule
Sunil chougule
Forklift on the left should've lowered his fork significantly (effectively shortening the strap whatever way). The way he did it he objected himself to a lot of leverage.
If he had done that, the OP would have just slammed into the ground and damaged itself and the floor, no?
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I mean the straps on the left forklift should've been much shorter, so the forklift could keep his forks much closer to the attachment points on the OP. Of course he would always need to keep the straps in tension.
I guess they had to avoid the OP's operator roof with the forklift's forks, but I don't know why they opted to go higher rather than lower. Maybe they just didn't have the right length of straps available.
@@MrSaemichlaus Fair enough. Considering that they didn't have a proper material hoist for this job, it's possible they didn't have the correct length of strap, either.
easy
I’ve stood up many of these that was totally 100% the incorrect way of doing it the right fork lift should have continued lift until it was almost vertical the the two let it down evenly
Correct. That short free falling moment is exactly what we try to avoid.
This is how we do it.must have installed over a dozen of these... and at least 6 swing reaches.many comments stating unsafe,osha crap.....well how else would you stand it up??????
Right? If it works, and nothing happened. Perfectly fine. If something were to happen, oh well, fix it or order another. OSHA cant be an excuse for everything, especially getting out or work or costing someone more money..
@@myfoneuploads You have to be the dumbest person in his comment section it's hilarious
With a material hoist or crane that's designed for these types of tasks.
How unsafe is their way of top and tailing a VNA machine, yes the machine is a lightweight compared with some I install, a large truck 4 ton plus, with a job, and a crane on the other is the only safe way.
you know you have shitty workers when you need a jack in you're warehouse to pick up forklifts
Shit happens, man. Be cool.
Good to see a video about a Raymond....Best Equipment made....Instead of a Piece of SHIT crown....worst equipment made
When we got our trucks delivered they came in a semi with an open top so they stayed upright the entire time.
3D3LTA how did u get it out? From the top??
Said open top so most likely rest of top comes down so can drive it off or use other lift to pull it off.@@chadbrown7134
Not every place has doors/gates high enough for the machines to get into the building.
Just don’t drive under a bridge
Cool video, but please enable image stabilization. Camera person has a shaky hand. :D
U are lucky... work under risk ..Reach truck BT is very good, can dismental mast ... raymond R&D must do something for good and safety machine installation at customer site or outdoor...
I have stood up and laid down dozens of Raymond Reach, order pickers and swing reaches. This is definitely NOT the correct way. WOW! I've seen sales man do better this.
yup, same here..work for a raymond dealer. this is a great way to drop the truck if the cradle fails.
What a bunch of tight but virgins get a life
So what’s the big deal to even warrant a CZcams video?🤷🏻🤦🏼♂️
Duh uh?!
Whos getting fired????
All they had to do was put a chain around the mast of the forks raising it and attach it to the crate. Then there would have been no chance of it slamming to the ground. They got lucky if you ask me.
That's all well and good until the wood snaps. And where on the wood would they even be able to chain it to?
These guys act like they are scared of it. That's how you get hurt.
That's a ridiculous statement. Would you prefer they rush the job and let the machine slip and slam into the ground? (Of course, this isn't the correct way to stand up a machine like that in the first place, but that's besides the point.)
Thanks for this video. I’ve always wondered how they got those high-mast reach trucks & order pickers
in a warehouse bldg with normal height dock doors.
They brought our stockpickers in like this, but the turrets came in pieces and then put together.
Good job
nice