Vivien: Born into Scientology
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- 6/3/00 - Vivien was born into a Scientology family and found herself recruited into the Sea Org at the age of 13. When she decided to leave Scientology, her family disconnected.
Sorry for the poor video quality.
As a mom I found myself crying wanting to just hold her like I would my own daughter , wishing I could tell her to please contact me and if you want a mom I would be honored to have such a strong brave woman who still has that abused confused little girl inside as a daughter. I know there are a lot of us normal Non Scientology Cult members willing to help those who have nothing and/or nowhere to go to help teach them about life, love, freedom and happiness in the non Scientology Cult of the real world to show them strangers willing to open their hearts and home to complete stranger(s) who only want to help. I think its time we put a end to this Cult for human rights violations and cease their funds to help compensate and rehabilitate these people devastated by this cult of psychotic sociopath misaginistic vile evil narcissistic tyrannical cult members. Sadly I fear the worst has yet to come out, we have only heard or seen the tip of the iceberg I fear its only going to get worse and oh so very tragic
In the 11 years since this film I really hope that this young woman has found her way to a normal life.
Vivien you are amazing! Reduced to 42kg and still you resisted and survived. What a strong person!
I'd love to hear an update on Vivien's recovery...
Good interview Mark!
You do a nice job interviewing her, leading her English and letting her have a moment before the next question clears the air. The fact that a father would treat such a wonderful daughter this way is a crime as great in its way as all the damage LRH has left in his wake.
To Vivian: I hope you are doing well. Thanks to Leah Remini, the public is very much aware of what a sick sick "religion" Scientology is. You are brave for telling your story. I hope you recover well from the trauma they inflicted on you.
42 kilograms is 92 lbs. God, this cult is so disgusting. Great interview. Thanks to Vivien and Mark!
Strong is putting it mildly!!!!! Was she standing that long?? The interview was mesmerizing!!!All I could do was shake my head.My God!!! I hope that she has found happiness!! Lord knows she deserves it
The more I learn about Scientology, especially the Sea Org, the more upsetting it is. I live in New York and I'm trying to get together some people for a protest at their offices here. At the very least, their religious status has to be revoked and that would better enable the legal authorities to hold them accountable for the abuses that go on.
That was a fantastic interview Mark. Thanks to Vivien for taking time to educate us on the cult of $cientology.
What kind of mom could do such a thing to her daughter ? It is incredible. How strong can be those illusions.
What a strong courageous woman.
That was astonishing. What a brave woman.
Vivian, You should be so proud of yourself! I would love to have you for a daughter! May God bless you and keep you SAFE and HEALTHY and HAPPY❤
This is positively heartbreaking. What a brave young woman!
Mark you were so kind to her in the end I don’t know how you didn’t get emotional, you probably did. I have been watching all of your older videos recently. You really are a kind man and great at this job. Your interviews are remarkable ❤️
Dear Vivien, please know that many of us understand your pain, although we were never in that discusting cult. Stay strong girl!...and every time you're down, remember how special you are! and the shitheads will soon pay!
I hope she finds a happy life outside the cult. It must be so hard to be abandoned by your own family members. Good video Mark as always :)
All my support to Vivien, you are not alone girl!!
Life is beautiful Vivien. Just go forward. Don't look back.
Vivien, the actions of others never were and never will be a reflection of you! Be well and God bless...
Bless your heart Vivien...you're a normal and strong person. You seem to be on the right track...make peace with yourself and go on....
Great video. Also, the no nonsense honesty of a German person is refreshing. There are often excessive emotional overtones when Americans give their accounts.
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Thank you for sharing your brave story.
Heart breaking. Believe whatever you like. Restraining anybody is a crime, period.
To have your own family say "we don't want you." I can't imagine.
That is evidence of total programming. To follow a cult rather than one’s own children shows the mentality.
What a beautiful and intelligent woman. She is that kind of woman you at once feel sympathy for. I hope she is doing fine in life today, because she has all the qualities to do it.
Please fill us in one whatever happen to Vivian
The ending was touching, thanks for showing us this WBM.
The stories are important... but move toward the present, Mr. Bunker. Show them what they are NOW.
The story involving the mother from England who is attempting to see her daughter who is stuck in Scientology is one of the most heartbreakingly disgusting things I've ever seen.
Film that. Post it. Show the world just how terrible Scientology is in the present.
Thx 4 re-upping this, WBM.
There were other interviews like this, if I remember correctly - I trust you'll put them up again soon as well. ^^
I hope Vivien is fine now... did you check on her since?
It's fascinating how if Scientology's methods don't work for someone, that person is an SP.
Yet.... per scientology, disconnection does not exist!
Thanks for yet another informative video. This proves the emotional turmoil and heartache involved in leaving this CULT.
Allow Mandy Kemper to see her mother!
Scientology=Disconnection
"Qual"? I hope everyone knows that the Arclight Cinmeas has the same termonology as these guys. I worked there. There's also "Sec Checks" involved.
While working there, I was asked more times than I care to remember if Scientology is a part of the theater. I asked management and was told, "Uhhh... I don't know."
I then found a book by LRH in the theater's bookstore.
Boycott Arclight.
cromwellian13 what is that? Tell more
So, you are saying you worked in a theater bookstore and people would come and ask if the “Scientology Religion” was part of the Theater, and if there were Scientology Religious books in your bookshop? Then you later found a book by the “Founder” of their Religion? Please clarify???
great video as usual WBM keep um coming
Wow, I've been avidly following the crimes of Scientology for a year, yet this interview is one of the best I have ever seen. Mark is an excellent interviewer, and Vivien has experienced such trauma from this insidious menace to society. And they call themselves a "Church" ! ??
My heart goes out to Vivien. This insidious menace to society has ruined many lives, finances, and families. It makes people wrongly blame themselves for anything bad that happens. It robs people of the right to think their own thoughts. It has been linked to many deaths, via suicide or medical quackery. Tragic!
Incredible. I can see this video is over 10 years old. I hope Vivien is doing well and that she is healthy. I can't imagine what it was like for her to have her family turn their backs on her in such a nasty way and then continue to denigrate her in her own society. It's clear to anyone that she is a good person, a very intelligent and courage woman looking to get on in the world and be free. Scientologists, the believers who are 'in' to me - a normal suppressive non-scientologist, they come across like simple zombies, slaves to nonsense. How can you ask a human being to remove human waste without protection and believe you are superior to me, a suppressive non-scientologist, atheist. Thanks for sharing. I am sure that Vivien's contribution to the discussions about this church will have helped many people.
Seriously, anyone that breaks up families, is not a church or religious...heartbreaking...but how are they allowed to get away with it all...
Very well done. Keep up the good work.
i wonder how she is doing today. i hope she is well.
Wow! Vivian I hope you are now happy and well and that your mind is free.. just like it's supposed to be x
Hope she's okay
Man I was just thinking the same thing. If you haven't watched this till the end it's heartbreaking. This young lady has been badly and deeply scarred. It would be nice if wise beard man can update this. It would be good to hear Vivian is OK.
you are the best, fight allways keep strong
very sad and touching story. Did you at any point of the interview just want to do a break from the topic and hug her?
Is there somewhere more information about this girl?
We have not many ex-scientologists who speak up broadly in public apart from the english media here in germany.
What a sad story from this brave lady. She's so alone......
That's really sad :/ I feel so sorry for these children born into this horrible cult.
you poor poor girl, I send you love and I give you hope and I wish you well.
Kick
I hope she is ok ❤️ her family doesn't deserve her..
I wish I could say I can't imagine how people could be so cold to family like this woman's mother was to her, but my own mother was exactly the same (disconnected 5 yrs ago).
I find Scientology to be a guilttrip- and hypnosis-based load of vapidity, but if the beliefs work for someone, whatever. Got no problem with that. It's the families broken over ridiculous commands and insinuations, children used and abused, and now-broke and disenchanted onetime suckers that bother me.
The "E meter" sounds so silly. The whole production sounds, above all else, silly. It's hard to believe that people actually live this. All I can do is shake my head.
Thankyou! very insightful an painful at the same time. I hope she goes to an eating disorder clinic,I hope she lives and has a happy life from now on!
Good Girl!
Please do a follow up video featuring some of these older interviews.
This got very, very real. I really hope she’s OK now. Scientology has ruined lives. This interview proves it.
Strong and beautiful woman . I wish her the best in her life outside .
So sad. I hope she is doing well in life now ✌️❤️
A great post to be informed is to be forearmed
Those darn cans is the equivalent of a parent that ask you to do something exactly, and some other day punish you because you did it as s/he asked, and when reminded won't believe you.
Im so happy that their numbers are decreasing.
That is flat-out illegal in England. It's amazing the abuse that these assholes do to each other.
Sad, it's amazing that CoS lies about the disconnect policy.
It happens in the uk! It’s still going on in East Grinstead!
The mayor is paid off
There is a psychological aspect of using acronyms that suppresses
questioning...it sidetracks questioning of the subject matter.
If your mind is "busy" interpreting acronyms, your not focusing on the subject matter.
And scientologists spokesperson continue to claim that disconnection doesn't happen.
@jillb482
Hi. She WAS alone in Scientology. It is an enigma. You are part of the Borg. All together in a commune where like the olden Eastern Block countries there is no communion - and fear, always fear. Yet you are completely on your own. Your statistic becomes the most important thing in your life.
Now she can have life and friends.
heartbreaking. c of s is truly evil.
So many crimes, she should have reported this to the UK police.
A real great decision Vivian, you will be yourself again.
That stare! It's the only thing that doesn't go when you leave!
Scientology messed this poor girl up.
Vivien ...I want to tell You that YOU CAN BE WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO BE....I'm so so sorry that this evil has be fallin You...Think on how many people YOU will save by doing this interview...That makes YOU a good person ...Not s surpresive person....Make YOUR OWN FAMILY AND DO WHAT YOUR MOTHER WOULDN'T....I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST!!!
Not that I'm picky about it, but what happened to the video quality?
Very insightful, I feel terrible for her. Thank you for this.
I love you mark and all goes well on the nother front, we are mounting a spring offensive!
Hail Xenu!
Her story is very real and honest but sadly very typical.
What awful parents! Mark in letting these people talk it through the way you do you are helping them to heal.
Very smart girl indeed. And good that she awakened from all those illusions.
Mark, do you know if Vivienne is still living? Is she doing ok? My heart goes out to her.
The acronyms are overwhelming! AND I USED TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!! Acronyms abound!
She was too smart for scien, that is why they throw her out. Very smart girl indeed.
Hope she is doing well these days
Without illusion, conflict is impossible.
Who would defend himself unless he thought he were attacked, that the attack were real, and that is own defense could save himself ??? And herein lies the folly of defense; it gives illusions full reality, and then attemps to handle them as real. It adds illusions to illusions thus making correction doubly difficult. And it is this you do when you attempt to plan the future, activate the past, or organize the present as you wish.
I would like to see this happen to people who leave the US military.
THE ACTUAL SUPER POWER PROCESS
Super Power Rundown Series 5
The final step of the Super Power Rundown is to give back to the person his full
potential power as a being. All prior steps on the Super Power Rundown have been
designed to get a person into a state wherein he is set up to regain his ability to handle
infinite power. These processes are run just like any other process with full F/N, Cog VGIs
as the EP. If the person goes exterior continue to run the processes. If there is a dial wide
F/N continue to run the process. The only time you would end off the process or the session
is if the person has a persistent floating TA.
At some point during the running of this series of processes the person will reach
a state wherein they are speechless. They will laugh with wild abandon. Their TA will be
floating! They will probably also be exterior and will be unable to communicate in words
what they are experiencing. This is the end result of the Super Power Rundown. It is rare
for this to occur prior to the running of the last flow of this series of processes, but if it
occurs then acknowledge the win.
One thing the auditor must not do is interrupt the person while in the middle of this
major win or during the laughter. Otherwise it will invalidate the win. The auditor simply
maintains his TRs and lets the person have his win. Do not end the session until the
laughter stops as this will also tend to invalidate the person and his win.
The laughter can go on for some time. Perhaps up to an hour. Be sure and just be there
with the person during this win and not end the session until the laughter has subsided.
The following is the last series of processes one runs on the Super Power Rundown:
1. Get the idea that you have infinite power.
2. Get the idea that another has infinite power.
3. Get the idea that others have infinite power.
4. Get the idea that you can cause yourself to have infinite power.
5. Get the idea that you have been given infinite power.
6. Get the idea that another has been given infinite power.
7. Get the idea that others have been given infinite power.
8. Get the idea that you have caused yourself to be given infinite power.
9. Get the idea that you can give another infinite power.
10. Get the idea that another can give you infinite power.
11. Get the idea that others can give others infinite power.
12. Get the idea that you can cause yourself infinite power.
13. Get the idea that you are infinite.
14. Get the idea that another is infinite.
15. Get the idea that others are infinite.
16. Get the idea that you can cause yourself to be infinity.
Make sure to run only the reading process and check for interest. Do not run any
process on the person in which he is not interested.
END PHENOMENA
The rundown has two major types of cognitions, and both of them should occur
before the rundown is declared complete.
The first is a realization that the person is himself. Some statement that adds up to
“I’m me!” will occur if the rundown is done correctly.
The second will be an awareness that the person is here, aware of the present
environment, or “I’m here!”. These two cognitions are natural results of undoing the
dumbbell phenomena.
BASIC BASIC
The first (earliest) bit in the bank is not an Item but a light.
It appears to the left front of the face, some distance away (look ahead and to the
left a bit and you’ll spot it).
It is the source of unconsciousness and produces it when contacted.
There is a light before each Run, in the middle of each 7’s GPM (every 4 pairs), at
the start of Basic End Words, at the start of Confusion GPM, and at the start of the Objects
and at the end of each type of Item in the Objects (every 8 Items). Each time you feel
groggy, it’s a light doing it. Each major change, then, is preceded by the light. Mark these
in on your platens if they are not there. Flatten each one by spotting it, and it and thetan.
Anaten (unconsciousness) can be spotted away.
It is part of the light. When the light went on, the thetan went anaten. Instead of a
Solo Auditor going anaten in his session, it is only necessary to spot the anaten in the
thetan when running the light.
When you spot a light or object or combination of objects, you should get a read on
the needle. By spotting the same thing again, you get another read. By spotting it again,
you get another read. And so you continue to spot it, time after time, until no more reads
occur by reason of spotting.
You repeat verbal items aloud, getting a read each time you repeat until it has no
more reads. Verbal items are found in the “7’s”. “Basic End Words” and “Confusion
GPM”.
But you silently spot lights, objects, combinations of objects repeatedly (same one)
until you have no more reads.
You should get as many falls, etc. from spotting a light as you do from calling an
Item.
Spotting the thetan follows the same rules. You spot repeatedly until there are no
more reads on the needle by reason of spotting the thetan (self) at that instant and place.
You don’t have to see the light to spot it or see the thetan or see the object or objects.
You only need to spot the place where they are with the idea of what should be there.
Of course, seen at first or not, continued spotting makes it blow.
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 2 OCTOBER 1968
OT I I I
CLASS VIII
OT III
As a matter of data, the only trouble really in a III OT run is running an Inc I on one thetan
and an incident II on another, thinking it was thc first one. A preOT can free wheel into R6 if
you run only an INC 2. You can stop the free wheel at once by running Inc I off the same thetan
you ran the Inc 2 on that started a free wheel.
Free wheel means that the pc goes on automatic continuous run. Inc 2 is R6 75 million years
ago. Inc I is about 4 quadrillion yoars ago. Both, all thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars have in common. All thetans in the Universe have Inc. 1. Only those in this Old Confederation have Inc 2 and R6. All CC and OTII materials are in R6 75 million years ago. These are followed by 36 days worth of motion pictures - god devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage etc. This R6 is 75 million years ago and this planet and confederation.
If the vokano bit is run as per III directions but the Inc I is not run on same thetan, R6 begins
to run off on automatic, the being can’t sleep for days, the body dies. That’s the way it was
designed.
LRH:nd:sp L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1968 FOUNDER
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
HUBBARD IN HIS OWN WORDS
"Scientology is used to increase spiritual freedom, intelligence, ability and to produce immortality." - L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY TECHNICAL DICTIONARY, copyright 1975, reprinted 1987, p. 370
"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY." - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384
Wow you're right. Liffon's book ,Thought Reform, looks like a blueprint for Scientology, but it was published after the Church of Scientology was incorporated.
she was 92 pounds when she went home. poor girl.
I was on the Sea Org for 3 years and I got RPF'd because they found out I was gay. I was put in the RPF for 6 months and I got caught having a gay relationship with a 60 year old man and I was only 14 at the time. So I got put in the RPF's RPF for getting caught.
I was just listening to Marc Headly and he was talking about how insanely homo phobic Scientology is. I'm sure you haven't had it easy. Good luck finding your way. FWIW I don't think any 14 year old he or she should be with any 60 year old he or she. It's not good for you IMO.
CHICKEN SALAD but the delusional Laura Prepon said Scientology is not against gays.
You poor person. You were not having a gay relationship. You were being abused. I hope you have healed.
I love how these guys use Scientology terms like we all should know what they are talking about. It's almost like its a build in part of the system to hide what is really going on.
the description doesn't make sence, i think there is a type and it's meant to be 6/3/09 not 6/3/00.
Wow this sounds very much like living in North Korea. How awful for her and the others. I hope she is OK.
It is! They are also shown propaganda videos, claiming that they are saving the world. And are not allowed to go on the Internet!
thanks to: interviewer, vivian and uploader
poor kid.
That was some toxic stew of a dramatic story.
Fear is not justified in any form.
Fear is deception. It attests that you have seen yourself as you could never be, and therefore look upon a world which is impossible. Not one thing in this world is true. It does not matter what the form in which it may appear. It witnesses but to your own illusions of yourself. Let us not be deceived today. We are the Sons of God. There is no fear in us, for we are each a part of Love Itself.
How foolish are our fears! Would You allow Your Son to suffer? Give us faith today to recognize Your Son, and set him free. Let us forgive him in Your Name, that we may understand his holiness, and feel the love for him which is Your Own as well.
The control freaks abusing kids. Isnt that criminal?
This story is one of many, and one of the prime reasons Scientology is a dying cult. Membership continues to suffer, and this is clearly a result of the slave-labor types of conditions that many in the Sea Org are subject to. None-the-less, adults have a choice and can freely choose to become mindless slaves if they wish. It's different, however, for kids.
There's something grossly sick and twisted about a cult that, basically, tells recruits that they have to willingly give up their lives and freedom and that they will be bound to the group as THEIR choice. Sure, they're not upfront about it, but their history is well-known and the psychological damage done by constant "auditing" is well-documented.
Enslave yourself if you wish - but leave the kids out of it.
If you are in the vancouver Canada area, our next protest on scientology is on april 11th 2009 11am. If you watch the video, and feel like these people should be opposed, come out to their office downtown. There will be cake, bad 80th music and killer LULS. Everyone is welcomed. Come and see the epic battle for yourself.
You who have spent your life in bringing truth to illusion, reality to fantasy, have walked the way of dreams. For you have gone from waking to sleeping, and on and on to a yet deeper sleep. Each dream has led to other dreams, and every fantasy that seemed to bring a light into the darkness but made the darkness deeper. Your goal was darkness, in which no ray of light could enter. And you sought a blackness so complete that you could hide from truth forever, in complete insanity. What you forgot was simply that Spirit cannot destroy Himself. The light is in you. Darkness can cover it, but cannot put it out.
I wonder if she is still alive
altho church of scientology iz TARGET'n me, eye feel really sorry 4 her--
@EddieTheFishReturns no he died in hiding, as a coward and a fugitive, i think the conmen should definitely be in jail tho, givin them some bubba lovin
great woman, sad story but i hope she got her education in the end. Maybe her parents become enlightened in the future. she's also hot btw, so lets hope the boyfriend takes care of her.
I know this is years ago but where r the police and child services come on people
The pay police, health department, council and other local services off in whatever areas they build a church.
They infiltrate themselves into society, under the guise of charitable organisations, and slowly get people doing Scientology without them realising.
Whenever something horrible happens they get the victim to record a statement saying that nothing has happened and everything is okay, or they continue to be punished. so there is never any evidence
yesh
Wow.
I'm not fan of Scientology, but accuseing a CHILD of being a criminal and blaming a CHILD for Fair game, that's just as bad as a Scientologist demanding a little girl taker her mask off at Subway so they can Fair Game her.
This ius exatly what Richard Dawkins talks about. You shouldn't lable a child with the name "Christian", "Muslim" etc untill they're at LEAST old enough to know what those words even mean.
You should watch Leah Remini - the aftermath
So many awful stories and lives destroyed
This IS Mark Bunker's channel, he's just teasing you.