Yeah, those DPU's notched out are SUBLIME when they roar by. Nice Catch. The 16T 's that have been running on the Bristol Line have been reaching 17,000 tons. Monster Trains .
As retired Hogger sure enjoy the addition of the DPU's perculating, was part of the set up here in Australia deveoping on from radio dpu to ECP dpu trains here, nothing better tha 6 EMD's full throttle,,, except maybe couple Alco's now thats ols school
34a yesterday had 177 cars with 2 DPU. It’s a different kind of Harrisburg Line today. I remember several sleepless nights at Wernersville watching the action years ago. Might be a little less busy at night now with PSR. was quite a surprise and pleasure to run into you.
When I spent 3 hours in August at the Horseshoe Curve, the last train I watched was one of these NS mega-trains! The conductor needed to spend time making sure he could get that load safely downhill and around that curve!
Greetings from 2020! On the CSX line in my town in MD just outside of DC, we've had some real monsters: some manifests have hit well over 14,000 ft and over 200 cars. Just this summer Q416, a daily manifest that now runs as Q369, hit 208 cars and 14,000 ft two nights in a month and hit 224 cars and 14,500 ft at its longest (it would hit over 250 cars and 15,000 ft by the end of its trip after picking up even more cars at the next yard). We had a different train hit the 14,600 ft mark, manifest Q372 that now runs as Q332 hit 208 cars and that length one night. Just last month manifest Q370 hit 14,000 ft and 222 cars. All of the trains mentioned hit over 10,000 tons; the heaviest were the aforementioned Q372 which hit 13,400 tons and Q370 which hit 17,000 tons.
Good point, I updated the description. I wanted to point that it's been common place for ~15 years but yes it's been around for ages. And of course, here in the east it really wasn't much of a thing until the economic strains of 2009. With traffic levels almost back down to rates they were back then, it's no wonder we are seeing a surge in this method of railroading. Thanks for the comment!
@@CentralPennRailProductions Ahh gotcha. Yeah it's always been on 90% of trains on CP here in western Canada. I grew up watching them add/remove DPs in Calgary at the base of the Rockies. Sometimes you forget that DPs are uncommon or even rare in other areas haha
Nice video! I have seen a few trains with helpers in the middle while driving around Harrisburg, and one at Cove, but I haven't been able to get one on camera yet. I still see the usual amount of regular sized manifests while railfanning the Pittsburgh Line.
It's funny, I had never seen any mid train DPU's on NS here in Lebanon Pennsylvania before yesterday. Now I saw one today, too. Both were manifest trains with a total of 3 engines, 2 on the point with a n ES44 in the middle.
Amazing video! I caught the same 34A at 10:24 on the same day, except I was at 81 just east of Prescott. I was shocked it had DPUs and it was my first catch of DPUs on the Harrisburg Line.
Despite how many issues the overall PSR approach has brought to NS, as a casual buff just watching it all on the sidelines, I welcome all of this. Sure, the trains may be getting combined, but it adds a new spice to the hobby with power in places where it normally would have never been. I'd only seen rear DPU operation on unit coal during my few impromptu Pittsburgh Line runs that I'd made earlier in the year, so having 8000-12,000HP+ shoved there in the middle was new for me to see. (I didn't even realize that the 19G symbol got axed in favor of this) Either way, it definitely makes the Harrisburg Line more interesting.
I get about the same thing, you can count on dpu s if there's only two head units at front and usually two midway. Kinda cool hearing power coming halfway through train
I caught one of these NS mega trains today. Had a mid-train DPU and 197 cars if you dont count the second nor third locomotives. Definitely the longest train I've ever seen and have never seen one personally in the Pittsburgh area yet until today. Thanks for the info about these in the video description. No wonder it was so long.
WOW .... That's like two trains in one ... I did a bit of car counting, and train 2 had 113 cars then the DPU and then 71 more ... Yep two trains ... Neat video Eric ... Love the K5LA's on the last two ....
My records so far as a railroad employee. Length - 17,400k ft long Weight (coal) - around ~27,000k tons Weight(freight) - 22,000k tons None were DPU. Most with just 2 online on the headend.
It might be because of all the towns around here, but it's common for trains over 10,000 to intermittently lose it, or lose it entirely if a bit longer. The DP's certainly help with that I guess.
Nice video! I’ve seen CSX trains with just a single lead unit and a single DPU on the RF&P line in Virginia, which makes them look severely underpowered
I've noticed that too. It depends on the tonnage, mixed freights aren't generally as heavy as unit trains like coal or oil or sand or steel, so with all those empty cars in there you can amass high car counts and pull with relative ease, especially with AC traction.
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They send them to Pittsburgh via Altoona just like this! This is the same symbol train that had two infamous derailments in July on Horseshoe Curve because the train was poorly blocked with too many empty flat cars on the head end.
Awesome video I find it amusing how the railroad thinks that by running longer trains that they will use less locomotives. How? All you are doing is not running as many trains just longer ones using the same amount of power. Only thing you are really cutting is jobs.
Well, today they ran 190 cars and no DPU's! So who knows. People sitting behind computer screens think trains can make it over a hill because the software says so...
Just FYI on basic English, you do not indicate plural with "apostrophe s". (Lose the apostrophe.) If that confuses, "DPU's" means "belonging to DPU", surely not your intent. Instead try simply "DPUs". You're certainly not the only one to get this crossed up. Still not right- like a poke in the eye. And ... lots of flat-spotted wheels there, from emergency-braking or "lock 'em up and slide" episodes?
It will be really REALLY bad if one of these 2 mile long 200+ car trains becomes a unmanned runaway. Note : it’s a what if scenario before you tell me about ptc existence
Who else loves the sound when those DPU's come roaring by?
Yeah, those DPU's notched out are SUBLIME when they roar by. Nice Catch. The 16T 's that have been running on the Bristol Line have been reaching 17,000 tons. Monster Trains .
Always
Central Penn Rail Productions me I love that sound
Amazing eh?? I got many on my channel. Cheers from BC
As retired Hogger sure enjoy the addition of the DPU's perculating, was part of the set up here in Australia deveoping on from radio dpu to ECP dpu trains here, nothing better tha 6 EMD's full throttle,,, except maybe couple Alco's now thats ols school
Those were some super long trains! I guess PSR really has come to NS. Neat video!
Yeah, definitely agreed
Thanks Mike! And indeed it has.
They learned it from union pacific😏
When you see a SD70ACU you know the train is going to be long. Great video!
They are starting to use SD70ACU's in helper service now instead of SD40E's.
34a yesterday had 177 cars with 2 DPU. It’s a different kind of Harrisburg Line today. I remember several sleepless nights at Wernersville watching the action years ago. Might be a little less busy at night now with PSR. was quite a surprise and pleasure to run into you.
171 cars for the first train. Love the sound the locomotives in the middle of the train makes.
Me too, thanks for watching!
Keep looking for more NS trains along the Harrisburg line with DPUs! This video was awesome!
When I spent 3 hours in August at the Horseshoe Curve, the last train I watched was one of these NS mega-trains! The conductor needed to spend time making sure he could get that load safely downhill and around that curve!
I miss seeing the 34A at Perryville heading to Baltimore. It's good to see it's alive and well and still gettin 'er done. Thanks for another gooder ☺
amtrak would croak if one of those monsters came on down to bayview!!!!!!
Greetings from 2020! On the CSX line in my town in MD just outside of DC, we've had some real monsters: some manifests have hit well over 14,000 ft and over 200 cars.
Just this summer Q416, a daily manifest that now runs as Q369, hit 208 cars and 14,000 ft two nights in a month and hit 224 cars and 14,500 ft at its longest (it would hit over 250 cars and 15,000 ft by the end of its trip after picking up even more cars at the next yard). We had a different train hit the 14,600 ft mark, manifest Q372 that now runs as Q332 hit 208 cars and that length one night.
Just last month manifest Q370 hit 14,000 ft and 222 cars. All of the trains mentioned hit over 10,000 tons; the heaviest were the aforementioned Q372 which hit 13,400 tons and Q370 which hit 17,000 tons.
Those are some big ones, thanks for sharing those insights. I caught a 208 car 10K the other day.
Incredible!!! I Railfan CN up here in BC Canada. No surprises seeing a 200+ manifest or stack train with dpus. Great action!!!!
NS, rebuilds, DPU's, long trains, excellent video, informative narrative - "these are a few of my favorite things." Thanks CPP.
DPU tech has been around much longer than 15 years. CP and Southern pioneered the use of it in the late 60s-early 70s. Great video, as always
Good point, I updated the description. I wanted to point that it's been common place for ~15 years but yes it's been around for ages. And of course, here in the east it really wasn't much of a thing until the economic strains of 2009. With traffic levels almost back down to rates they were back then, it's no wonder we are seeing a surge in this method of railroading. Thanks for the comment!
@@CentralPennRailProductions Ahh gotcha. Yeah it's always been on 90% of trains on CP here in western Canada. I grew up watching them add/remove DPs in Calgary at the base of the Rockies. Sometimes you forget that DPs are uncommon or even rare in other areas haha
Nice video! I have seen a few trains with helpers in the middle while driving around Harrisburg, and one at Cove, but I haven't been able to get one on camera yet. I still see the usual amount of regular sized manifests while railfanning the Pittsburgh Line.
It's funny, I had never seen any mid train DPU's on NS here in Lebanon Pennsylvania before yesterday. Now I saw one today, too. Both were manifest trains with a total of 3 engines, 2 on the point with a n ES44 in the middle.
Today they had 190 cars and no DPU's! Just 3 GE's up front.
That first mega train had triple DPUS
Amazing video! I caught the same 34A at 10:24 on the same day, except I was at 81 just east of Prescott. I was shocked it had DPUs and it was my first catch of DPUs on the Harrisburg Line.
Cool! I was there today and caught 34A with 190 cars and NO DPU's today. Thanks for watching / commenting!
Despite how many issues the overall PSR approach has brought to NS, as a casual buff just watching it all on the sidelines, I welcome all of this. Sure, the trains may be getting combined, but it adds a new spice to the hobby with power in places where it normally would have never been. I'd only seen rear DPU operation on unit coal during my few impromptu Pittsburgh Line runs that I'd made earlier in the year, so having 8000-12,000HP+ shoved there in the middle was new for me to see. (I didn't even realize that the 19G symbol got axed in favor of this) Either way, it definitely makes the Harrisburg Line more interesting.
I get about the same thing, you can count on dpu s if there's only two head units at front and usually two midway. Kinda cool hearing power coming halfway through train
I caught one of these NS mega trains today. Had a mid-train DPU and 197 cars if you dont count the second nor third locomotives. Definitely the longest train I've ever seen and have never seen one personally in the Pittsburgh area yet until today. Thanks for the info about these in the video description. No wonder it was so long.
WOW .... That's like two trains in one ... I did a bit of car counting, and train 2 had 113 cars then the DPU and then 71 more ... Yep two trains ... Neat video Eric ... Love the K5LA's on the last two ....
Thanks for watching / commenting! Sorry on my late reply.
Thats a rare catch! Ive never seen a train pulling the extra 2 DPUs
My records so far as a railroad employee.
Length - 17,400k ft long
Weight (coal) - around ~27,000k tons
Weight(freight) - 22,000k tons
None were DPU. Most with just 2 online on the headend.
That's nuts! How does a marker communicate at that length?
@@CentralPennRailProductions
EOTD usually does fine. Depends on terrain and how good of an EOT is actually is.
It might be because of all the towns around here, but it's common for trains over 10,000 to intermittently lose it, or lose it entirely if a bit longer. The DP's certainly help with that I guess.
@@CentralPennRailProductions
I have noticed in heavily populated areas (bigger citys) they'll get spotty. My opinion is the saturated airwaves.
Beat ya, 19,300 feet/almost 22k tons, 256 cars, 3 ge engines (1 as dp), 1140 axles
Ive had a 256 car yrain, 2 engines head end, 1 dp engine just over half way, 3.8 miles of train that got up to 40 (mostly flat territory)
Which railroad was that? If you don't mind answering, of course.
Nice Trains.
Great video! PSR has definitely had an interesting impact on modern railroading. Seems like every train CSX runs here in GA has a DPU.
Yeah same. Where do you railfan?
@@iceclimberGD W&A sub and K&A sub mostly.
Surprised to see only two engines up front and three RDUs in the middle.
Here are the DPUs:
2:19
5:33
8:20
12:12
More than excellent job Sr!!!
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Nice video! I’ve seen CSX trains with just a single lead unit and a single DPU on the RF&P line in Virginia, which makes them look severely underpowered
Typical CSX. Lol
I've noticed that too. It depends on the tonnage, mixed freights aren't generally as heavy as unit trains like coal or oil or sand or steel, so with all those empty cars in there you can amass high car counts and pull with relative ease, especially with AC traction.
@@CentralPennRailProductions I kinda had a feeling. Thank you, and thanks for the upload. Keep up the good work.
I have seen that here too in maryland
Nice Catch
*STOPPED MOTORIST* "This thing's gotta be done any minute now."
*DPUs ROLL BY*
*STOPPED MOTORIST* "Aw, man...."
first train: 182 cars and +3 counting DPU's
Meh, been on at least 5 200 car+ trains, 1 dp
Just a guess.. Judging by the two dpus. Those trains will be split and continue to separate places
754 axles!!
Nice Video 🇮🇳
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All of the trains were 34A!
Lawn mower said when the EMD passed by
Wery good video!!!
It would have been better if they had rear dpu's as well
Wow, 😳
Auto racks cars have a target on where people full tag them on whole sides every time
Ns 34a btw originates in Allentown
Wow
There are 180 freight cars and 5 locomotives in that train
so is the rear dpu the one that’s actually doing the pushing ?
Are trains like this usable on the Pittsburgh Line? Do they need to split the train in Altoona before ascending the grades west of there?
They send them to Pittsburgh via Altoona just like this! This is the same symbol train that had two infamous derailments in July on Horseshoe Curve because the train was poorly blocked with too many empty flat cars on the head end.
Cool Video! No rear DPU, so these are 2 trains put together and run as one.
Awesome video I find it amusing how the railroad thinks that by running longer trains that they will use less locomotives. How? All you are doing is not running as many trains just longer ones using the same amount of power. Only thing you are really cutting is jobs.
Exactly. The more tonnage, the more power needed to pull and brake. When you combine two trains into one, the biggest saving is in crew reduction.
Well, today they ran 190 cars and no DPU's! So who knows. People sitting behind computer screens think trains can make it over a hill because the software says so...
Just FYI on basic English, you do not indicate plural with "apostrophe s". (Lose the apostrophe.) If that confuses, "DPU's" means "belonging to DPU", surely not your intent. Instead try simply "DPUs". You're certainly not the only one to get this crossed up. Still not right- like a poke in the eye. And ... lots of flat-spotted wheels there, from emergency-braking or "lock 'em up and slide" episodes?
Too long, more derailments
Unfortunately, that's a possibility.
It will be really REALLY bad if one of these 2 mile long 200+ car trains becomes a unmanned runaway. Note : it’s a what if scenario before you tell me about ptc existence
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