Hey guys I made a video about Ginault Controversy. You should probably watch it: czcams.com/video/iovsra3CRyw/video.html This comparison is not made to convince you to buy or to promote either one of the watches. Do your own research! I had access to both watches and a lot of people requested this comparison that it. Enjoy your day:)
hi Oleg. I watched this again because I just got Ginault ORII with SW200-1 movement with Ceramic bezel. it is absolutely WOW piece. they have tighten up the bracelet links and the "feel" and "movement" of Glide lock also have improved compared to OR I version. The Ceramic bezel and AR coated crystal are just out of the world. Oleg, if you have time, please review ORII. All the controversies aside, I believe that ORII is the best quality & valued watch among all the micro brands. Thanks Oleg and have a great day.
I own an Ocean Rover and a Rolex Submariner “bluesy”. I really enjoy wearing the Ocean Rover. Very comfortable at all times with the glide-lock. Excellent quality and it performs within COSC. I have read and followed all of the controversy, but there is no denying the quality when you hold it in your hand and have lived with it.
I have been tempted as well by the OR, don't care about "controversy", as if you strip away all the BS around Rolex it may be the same, who knows. I have a couple of mechanical (one manual, one automatic) Russian watched that keep much better time than my Rolex GMT II, so who knows what value actually is. Watches should be enjoyed. Can an OR be serviced by any watchmaker?
Alastair Murray That is a question I cannot answer. The new OR IIs have Swiss S200 movements. I wonder if that will quell all the noise...probably not. As for the original “in house” Caliber 7275, it is an ETA 2824 clone and my guess is that a good watchmaker can service it. If you are seriously contemplating, I would talk to John at Ginault. Cheers.
No mention of how Ginault is allegedly just a rebrand of a Rolex counterfeiter? Consumers should know things like that about a company they'll potentially financially support.
The movement in the Ginault is NOT an in house movement. Ginault watches are NOT hand built in America. There are many videos on youtube that have exposed the Ginault watch brand and it's founder. The founder of Ginault ( Tsun Chi ) is a well known Rolex Counterfeiter and money launderer. A much better alternative would be the MILUS Snow Star. The Snow Star is made in Switzerland, using 904 L steel and uses a TOP grade ETA 2892-a2 adjusted to 5 positions. You can pick one up on sale for around $1,275.00 Three other great watch brands to consider : BRELLUM ( Switzerland ) YEMA ( France ) JS watch company ( Iceland )
@@quarters-eye8922 countless CZcamsrs outside the watch community do feature videos of products. The trend of "product review" videos is nothing new. I'm confused as to why it becomes such a point of contention in the watch community.
In my opinion, if the whole controversy about TC and Ginault are true, then I'd expect that the Ginault would be a well made product. With that said, since getting my ORII, I've been second guessing myself in saving up for 16800 submariner.
if all of that was true, all this unequivocal truth and indisputable facts should've been forwarded to the authorities so that this criminal can be brought to justice... i see nothing of the sort, so it makes me wonder...
Great unbiased review. Before settling on the Ginault, I looked at Monta but totally preferred the OR. I'm sure the quality of the Monta is up there but the look doesn't do it for me. Still a great watch.
I for one am really glad you've taken the position on the Ginault controversy that you have, Oleg. It's refreshing, considering all the people of dubious intelligence and morals who seem to spend all their time white-knighting for billion-dollar watch companies who do not need their assistance, and lobbying for the summary execution of whoever makes (or owns) a Ginault.
I look at this channel as something that provides a service to the watch community. If this video helps someone who is deciding between those two watches I've done my job:)
love that, man of the people.. I am going to use that.. keep up the great reviews brother. I picked up a BB58 based on your review. I have a 7.5 inch wrist and the fit is so comfortable. despite popular belief- it does not feel small at all..
Very good comparison. I'll take the Monta as there are too many unanswered questions concerning the Ginault and its authenticity. On a different note, the Monta emblem looks similar to the Traska emblem.
Hi Oleg / Mr Bond , Love your comparison between this two mid range watches . I have been considering an Oris but after watching your detailed comparisons I am considering flipping over to the Monta ! Great finish as you described and a very nice bracelet , clasp ! Thanks again , I am enjoying your channel!
The Monta reminds me a lot, design wise, to my Bulova Marine Star. Difference is the price. Mine was picked up on a close out sale for $110.00. It’s also a quartz movement, but it’s Swiss made. I love the design and they are very similar. Plus...I’m very cheap.
Honestly a comparison between a newby and a traditional brand would be interesting since it is hard to position Ginault not only because of the controversial history but also because of the strange price positioning. And if microbrands only copy what is already there, why does these brands exists? It can not be the price and also not the technology. Seems that some people just want to take a portion of the cake which is legit but not for people who understand about the product - the watch. Most of the fresh ideas and innovations are still happening at traditional manufacturers.
Correction: The Ginault is a watch using inspiration from discontinued refernces only. In this sense its not really a hommage to a given or particular refernce. It now has a Selita or ETA movement. personally I prefer the Ginault. I do hope all the controversy continues on and on with regard to the Ginault, it will be worth a fortune in the future. Also, who knows where watches a really made or from where the parts come from? Really. The watch market is so corrupt and secretive and lastly ,all watches are homages from all other watches. The Ginault is a grreat watch ...period. the Monta is also good but not not that good looking IMHO and is again another watch shadowing the submariner. I own a sub, its ok , nicely made but to be honest I have it for its intrinsic value only. I have long soince stopped wearing it everyday. Who wants to get mugged in the big city. Its common in London.
The Monta does nothing for me. I have an OR1 and a submariner 16610. My sub generally stays in the gun safe and my ocean rover has been worn almost every day for the past year and a half. I’d also like to mention that my OR1 has been running +.08 on my timegrapher for the past year. I’d also like to mention that I paid $700 for my ginault. I would not pay out over $1000 for anything besides another Rolex. Just my 2 cents.
I have a Seagull Ocean Star with a 2824-2 in house movement. $350. There is a newer version with a ceramic bezel, 300m water resistance and super luminova. The watches are 43mm with 13mm thickness and they are not homages
Everything should point to Monta, but I agree with you about the look of the watch and that leans towards Ginault. Unfortunately, their reputation is just too suspect to lay down that much money for it. Thanks Oleg.
I agree comparing the Monta and Oris will be great. I hope you still do that. Of these two, hands down the Monta wins. They have a higher level of quality, unique design, great company and great customer service. Their attention to detail and finish is superior. Ginnault on the other hand is a mere "homeage" replica, albeit decent quality. That's it. Now bring Oris into the ring with Monta. I believe these two are comparable as they both offer unique designs, superior quality and finish, and both from great companies. Looking forward to it Mr. Bond! lol
I am wearing the same clasp that is on the Ginault....Straight glidelock copy I bought on Aliexpress for $11. I have the bracelet, too, on a different watch....$18 on Aliexpress with a nice fliplock clasp copy. A both are very nice for the Loreo Kermit for which they are used, but a bit cheesy for a $1400 watch.
I own two ocean rover 2s and also have one of those glidelock copies I bought from eBay and they are miles apart. If you've never handled an ocean rover you wouldn't see the difference but it is huge.
The `ginault is ahomage to many different Rolex refernces and because it does not copy a particular reference its fine by me. i own a sub and a Ginault and I think the Ginault is a fabulous watch period.
PLEASE make a comparison with the Oris Aquis. I own the Aquis but I considered the Monta Oceanking. And also I don't like homages that well. If not a video can you please tell me your thoughts in terms of quality between the two? Love your videos. Best regards Oscar Schiff
Hey Oscar, I think the quality of both watches (Oris and Monta) is very similar. Monta might be even slightly higher quality. It's definitely a great watch and stacks up well against Oris.
Thank you for doing this comparison Oleg 👍. I think I would prefer the Ginault too (You have the perfect Ginault - Sand Lume no date with blue bezel insert😍)...although Monta makes a GMT I am interested in and this video just made me more interested 😊
I very interesting comparison of these watches. Personally, I would not buy either one of these. For these prices, I would get something else. There are a lot of divers in this price range, many that I personally find more interesting. There sure is a lack of transparency with the Ocean Rover. They company has not done enough to explain the details of this watch. Even if it was legit I still would not be interested.
The Monta is a WAY more American watch. It's a small company owned by Americans who have a very American presence, they just know that the best finishing comes out of Switzerland, so they have their watches built there. They have an in house watchmaker (in America) who works on their watches. Ginault is straight up Chinese. Just like everything else.
Whew, both too much for me. “Homage” subs, to me anyway, should be sub $400. Just a cheapish take a chance to see if you like it watch. Otherwise if it’s already over $1500 and it’s still not an original design...no thanks. Save for the real deal if it’s already that expensive.
I believe there is a level of saturation happening within the watch industry right now. It's inevitable that various watches will have design ques we associate with others. Let the watch stand on its own merits of quality, design, price...and your personal taste. Levi, I agree, at that price point, the buy-in is substantial. However, I also know that there is almost a 100% chance I will never pay out $10K for a Rolex. So...I'm left with options like this Ginault or Monta to scratch the itch should I ever save up enough cash. Cheers.
That monta is not bad actually. I’d consider it at around $400 but probably still nah. But if I never see another Ginault review it’ll be too soon. That thing is stinky
I never heard of Monta. It is rather expensive as is the Ginault. If I had that kind of money to spend on a watch, I would buy an Oris or Zinn which both are well-made watches with a history and not worrying if they will be in business next year. Ginault has the stigma of making fake watches. I have no idea if it is true. The price is not worth it for sure. Most of these microbrands swiss use a swiss movement with the case and bracelet made in China or someplace for cheap labor.
@@gilbertosanchez2847 I never heard of it, and it is rather expensive for a microbrand. I think it is not even an attractive looking watch. I don't care what you think of me. It does not matter. I am too damn old to care and very careful not to piss money away.
@@scottsj4625 the Monta doesn't work for me, I wouldn't buy one. The OR somehow does, I will buy someday. Maybe when I send the *olex in for it's service (& I need to replace the crystal as I broke the original on the Moscow metro and got a (brilliant) Russian watchmaker to replace it (non original part) and make sure no glass inside as I was going to Kazakhstan a couple of days later. and needed a watch with me. It's over priced but I really like how it looks.
Hey guys I made a video about Ginault Controversy. You should probably watch it: czcams.com/video/iovsra3CRyw/video.html
This comparison is not made to convince you to buy or to promote either one of the watches. Do your own research! I had access to both watches and a lot of people requested this comparison that it. Enjoy your day:)
hi Oleg. I watched this again because I just got Ginault ORII with SW200-1 movement with Ceramic bezel.
it is absolutely WOW piece. they have tighten up the bracelet links and the "feel" and "movement" of Glide lock also have improved compared to OR I version. The Ceramic bezel and AR coated crystal are just out of the world. Oleg, if you have time, please review ORII. All the controversies aside, I believe that ORII is the best quality & valued watch among all the micro brands. Thanks Oleg and have a great day.
I own an Ocean Rover and a Rolex Submariner “bluesy”. I really enjoy wearing the Ocean Rover. Very comfortable at all times with the glide-lock. Excellent quality and it performs within COSC. I have read and followed all of the controversy, but there is no denying the quality when you hold it in your hand and have lived with it.
I have been tempted as well by the OR, don't care about "controversy", as if you strip away all the BS around Rolex it may be the same, who knows. I have a couple of mechanical (one manual, one automatic) Russian watched that keep much better time than my Rolex GMT II, so who knows what value actually is. Watches should be enjoyed. Can an OR be serviced by any watchmaker?
Alastair Murray That is a question I cannot answer. The new OR IIs have Swiss S200 movements. I wonder if that will quell all the noise...probably not.
As for the original “in house” Caliber 7275, it is an ETA 2824 clone and my guess is that a good watchmaker can service it. If you are seriously contemplating, I would talk to John at Ginault. Cheers.
@@alangolick8854 thanks !!
My OR1 with in house movement has been running at +.08 in all three positions on my timegrapher for the better part of a year.
@@deeno1114 thanks, I like the sound of that.
Hands down, Monta.
Just bought the Oceanking, this exact version and I must say it’s even better in person
No mention of how Ginault is allegedly just a rebrand of a Rolex counterfeiter? Consumers should know things like that about a company they'll potentially financially support.
He mentioned the controversy, enquiring minds will seek out the information. Anyone else who doesn't ask; well, I assume they aren't too worried.
The $1745 price is for the strap. $1970 is on bracelet.
You're right about that. My mistake:)
The movement in the Ginault is NOT an in house movement.
Ginault watches are NOT hand built in America.
There are many videos on youtube that have exposed the Ginault watch brand and it's founder.
The founder of Ginault ( Tsun Chi ) is a well known Rolex Counterfeiter and money launderer.
A much better alternative would be the MILUS Snow Star.
The Snow Star is made in Switzerland, using 904 L steel
and uses a TOP grade ETA 2892-a2 adjusted to 5 positions.
You can pick one up on sale for around $1,275.00
Three other great watch brands to consider : BRELLUM ( Switzerland )
YEMA ( France )
JS watch company ( Iceland )
In the past, Oleg has done his own video of the Ginault controversy. Wish it was linked in this video.
@@quarters-eye8922 countless CZcamsrs outside the watch community do feature videos of products. The trend of "product review" videos is nothing new. I'm confused as to why it becomes such a point of contention in the watch community.
In my opinion, if the whole controversy about TC and Ginault are true, then I'd expect that the Ginault would be a well made product. With that said, since getting my ORII, I've been second guessing myself in saving up for 16800 submariner.
if all of that was true, all this unequivocal truth and indisputable facts should've been forwarded to the authorities so that this criminal can be brought to justice...
i see nothing of the sort, so it makes me wonder...
Great unbiased review. Before settling on the Ginault, I looked at Monta but totally preferred the OR. I'm sure the quality of the Monta is up there but the look doesn't do it for me. Still a great watch.
Agreed, Monta really need to change their design language. I don't know what it is that puts me off. Maybe its the soft soapy edges on the watch.
I for one am really glad you've taken the position on the Ginault controversy that you have, Oleg. It's refreshing, considering all the people of dubious intelligence and morals who seem to spend all their time white-knighting for billion-dollar watch companies who do not need their assistance, and lobbying for the summary execution of whoever makes (or owns) a Ginault.
I look at this channel as something that provides a service to the watch community. If this video helps someone who is deciding between those two watches I've done my job:)
Stop promoting the Ginault. A forum member proved the company is linked to making replicas
Send him out to the cornfield 😆
love that, man of the people.. I am going to use that.. keep up the great reviews brother. I picked up a BB58 based on your review. I have a 7.5 inch wrist and the fit is so comfortable. despite popular belief- it does not feel small at all..
Very good comparison. I'll take the Monta as there are too many unanswered questions concerning the Ginault and its authenticity. On a different note, the Monta emblem looks similar to the Traska emblem.
E Larson well, Monta has been around longer so I think you mean the Traska logo looks similar to Monta ;)
Thanks man. The logos do look very similar lol
I have a ginault OR1 and a Monta Triumph. I love them both, but I think the finishing on the Monta is better.
Hi Oleg / Mr Bond ,
Love your comparison between this two mid range watches . I have been considering an Oris but after watching your detailed comparisons I am considering flipping over to the Monta ! Great finish as you described and a very nice bracelet , clasp !
Thanks again , I am enjoying your channel!
For the price i would personally have a Rado Captain Cook but both nice looking watches. As with everything always down to personal choices
Great suggestion. I'm really excited to review that Rado:)
@@24hourstime I tried one on at a AD last weekend. It was very tempting!
Great comparison, I have a Monta , I've been interested in Ginault for a while but was never able to pick up the ocean rover
Great review but I would save a little more and get a used BB58 and you’re done. Both the watches shown here are great.
Great review! Monta for me in terms of quality and wearability.
Thanks:)
I lean more towards the ocean Rover 2 as I prefer the date at 3 o'clock
I like the look of the Ginault a lot more.
The Monta reminds me a lot, design wise, to my Bulova Marine Star. Difference is the price. Mine was picked up on a close out sale for $110.00. It’s also a quartz movement, but it’s Swiss made. I love the design and they are very similar. Plus...I’m very cheap.
Honestly a comparison between a newby and a traditional brand would be interesting since it is hard to position Ginault not only because of the controversial history but also because of the strange price positioning. And if microbrands only copy what is already there, why does these brands exists? It can not be the price and also not the technology. Seems that some people just want to take a portion of the cake which is legit but not for people who understand about the product - the watch. Most of the fresh ideas and innovations are still happening at traditional manufacturers.
Correction: The Ginault is a watch using inspiration from discontinued refernces only. In this sense its not really a hommage to a given or particular refernce. It now has a Selita or ETA movement. personally I prefer the Ginault. I do hope all the controversy continues on and on with regard to the Ginault, it will be worth a fortune in the future. Also, who knows where watches a really made or from where the parts come from? Really. The watch market is so corrupt and secretive and lastly ,all watches are homages from all other watches. The Ginault is a grreat watch ...period. the Monta is also good but not not that good looking IMHO and is again another watch shadowing the submariner. I own a sub, its ok , nicely made but to be honest I have it for its intrinsic value only. I have long soince stopped wearing it everyday. Who wants to get mugged in the big city. Its common in London.
The Monta does nothing for me. I have an OR1 and a submariner 16610. My sub generally stays in the gun safe and my ocean rover has been worn almost every day for the past year and a half. I’d also like to mention that my OR1 has been running +.08 on my timegrapher for the past year. I’d also like to mention that I paid $700 for my ginault. I would not pay out over $1000 for anything besides another Rolex. Just my 2 cents.
I have a Seagull Ocean Star with a 2824-2 in house movement.
$350.
There is a newer version with a ceramic bezel, 300m water resistance and super luminova.
The watches are 43mm with 13mm thickness and they are not homages
Everything should point to Monta, but I agree with you about the look of the watch and that leans towards Ginault. Unfortunately, their reputation is just too suspect to lay down that much money for it. Thanks Oleg.
nice comparison between this 2 pieces . I will go with monta :)
I’d like to see a review of the Tourby Lawless, and how that stacks up against the Monta.
Thanks for the suggestion!
From everything I’ve heard, the monta is a level above in finishing and build quality
Nice comparison video, how about a Steinhart Ocean One against the Ocean Rover review.
Great comparison video brother! My vote goes for the Monta!! Say hello to Mr. Bond for me!
Thanks man! Monta is awesome:)
I agree comparing the Monta and Oris will be great. I hope you still do that.
Of these two, hands down the Monta wins. They have a higher level of quality, unique design, great company and great customer service. Their attention to detail and finish is superior. Ginnault on the other hand is a mere "homeage" replica, albeit decent quality. That's it.
Now bring Oris into the ring with Monta. I believe these two are comparable as they both offer unique designs, superior quality and finish, and both from great companies. Looking forward to it Mr. Bond! lol
Have you actually owned a Ginault? It doesn’t sound like you have.
@@Jedi391 you’re right. Never owned a Ginnault. I’ve held a Ginnault in hand. Aware of what it is. Didn’t care to own.
I am wearing the same clasp that is on the Ginault....Straight glidelock copy I bought on Aliexpress for $11. I have the bracelet, too, on a different watch....$18 on Aliexpress with a nice fliplock clasp copy. A both are very nice for the Loreo Kermit for which they are used, but a bit cheesy for a $1400 watch.
Loreo punches way above it's weight class!
I own two ocean rover 2s and also have one of those glidelock copies I bought from eBay and they are miles apart. If you've never handled an ocean rover you wouldn't see the difference but it is huge.
Nice video and all, but I just love Mr. Bond.
Wtf$? Go with a Steinhart b4 Ginault... 😀👍❤⌚
Steinhart are good. Monta is REALLY next level in terms for quality, fit and finished. You get what you pay for.
Monta Oceanking vs Black bay 58?
The `ginault is ahomage to many different Rolex refernces and because it does not copy a particular reference its fine by me. i own a sub and a Ginault and I think the Ginault is a fabulous watch period.
PLEASE make a comparison with the Oris Aquis. I own the Aquis but I considered the Monta Oceanking. And also I don't like homages that well. If not a video can you please tell me your thoughts in terms of quality between the two?
Love your videos.
Best regards Oscar Schiff
Hey Oscar, I think the quality of both watches (Oris and Monta) is very similar. Monta might be even slightly higher quality. It's definitely a great watch and stacks up well against Oris.
@@24hourstime Thank you for the answer, that's very much appreciated.
Btw I have family in Canada.
I wish you a great day.
Best regards Oscar
Thank you for doing this comparison Oleg 👍. I think I would prefer the Ginault too (You have the perfect Ginault - Sand Lume no date with blue bezel insert😍)...although Monta makes a GMT I am interested in and this video just made me more interested 😊
Thanks Jeffrey! I am also really interested in the Monta GMT:)
What's the model number on the Ginault? Is this a new Ginault? It's gorgeous!
I think it's reference: 181070GSLID
I’d rather pay a bit more and get an oris
I very interesting comparison of these watches.
Personally, I would not buy either one of these. For these prices, I would get something else. There are a lot of divers in this price range, many that I personally find more interesting.
There sure is a lack of transparency with the Ocean Rover. They company has not done enough to explain the details of this watch. Even if it was legit I still would not be interested.
I would totally Rock that Ginault. MERICA! 🇺🇸
The Monta is a WAY more American watch. It's a small company owned by Americans who have a very American presence, they just know that the best finishing comes out of Switzerland, so they have their watches built there. They have an in house watchmaker (in America) who works on their watches.
Ginault is straight up Chinese. Just like everything else.
Whew, both too much for me. “Homage” subs, to me anyway, should be sub $400. Just a cheapish take a chance to see if you like it watch. Otherwise if it’s already over $1500 and it’s still not an original design...no thanks. Save for the real deal if it’s already that expensive.
A bit of a stretch to call the Monta a sub homage. Unless every dive watch is a homage, including the Submariner itself.
I believe there is a level of saturation happening within the watch industry right now. It's inevitable that various watches will have design ques we associate with others. Let the watch stand on its own merits of quality, design, price...and your personal taste.
Levi, I agree, at that price point, the buy-in is substantial. However, I also know that there is almost a 100% chance I will never pay out $10K for a Rolex.
So...I'm left with options like this Ginault or Monta to scratch the itch should I ever save up enough cash. Cheers.
D M every everything is an everything
$1500 is far from $10000, which is what a sub will run, since you can't get one at MSRP
I wish the Oris was included in this comparison but I guess that would be unwieldy. I'd probably go Aquis over these two.
Yeah I wanted to include Oris but the comparison got too complicated and hard to follow.
The end links on that Chinese watch are a terrible fit. There’s no contest here. Monta gets the 🏆
Just buy a Tudor for a little more. No need to mess around with this crap....IMO
MontA by far. Ginault are dodgy. IMHO best alternative would be a Tudor....
I'm thinking Rado Captain Cook would be a good alternative as well:)
@@24hourstime absolutely, nice watch 👍🏻
Don’t mention Rolex
Even name brand is homage
Fuck that . Buy a Steinhart Ocean one 39 mm ! So much better .
6:30 pm is the magic hour for cheap watch content huh?
LOL
That monta is not bad actually. I’d consider it at around $400 but probably still nah. But if I never see another Ginault review it’ll be too soon. That thing is stinky
these two are not worth the price
I never heard of Monta. It is rather expensive as is the Ginault. If I had that kind of money to spend on a watch, I would buy an Oris or Zinn which both are well-made watches with a history and not worrying if they will be in business next year. Ginault has the stigma of making fake watches. I have no idea if it is true. The price is not worth it for sure. Most of these microbrands swiss use a swiss movement with the case and bracelet made in China or someplace for cheap labor.
You haven't done your research on Monta, have you? Very ignorant attitude you have shown in your comment!
@@gilbertosanchez2847 I never heard of it, and it is rather expensive for a microbrand. I think it is not even an attractive looking watch. I don't care what you think of me. It does not matter. I am too damn old to care and very careful not to piss money away.
@@scottsj4625 the Monta doesn't work for me, I wouldn't buy one. The OR somehow does, I will buy someday. Maybe when I send the *olex in for it's service (& I need to replace the crystal as I broke the original on the Moscow metro and got a (brilliant) Russian watchmaker to replace it (non original part) and make sure no glass inside as I was going to Kazakhstan a couple of days later. and needed a watch with me. It's over priced but I really like how it looks.
Ginault marketing is designed to make people feel like they got a bargain submariner. Wake up, it’s a chinese made copy with a $200 to $300 movement 🙃