Hunters are broken, and it's not only because they're good | Destiny 2 Design Analysis
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Ever since the launch of The Final Shape, the Hunter class has taken over the PvE meta in Destiny 2. Whether that is because of the super strong neutral game with Prismatic, Combination Blow, and the exotic class items, or because of how much raw DPS they can pump out with Still Hunt and Celestial Nighthawk, Hunters are by far the strongest PvE class in the game currently. But there's a problem. Prismatic has caused a number of shifts in buildcrafting, subclass selection, and more, where some of those shifts are detrimental to the health of the game.
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With full respect this video entirely feels like someone who hasn’t actually tried using prismatic hunter enough. There’s no shortage of prismatic hunter builds that are casually soloing through GMs without any use of combination blow, and as someone who’s done them it’s much more consistent to do solo GMs without combination blow than it is with
Prismatic Hunter has the highest neutral game weapon damage of any subclass due to being able to apply weaken and radiant simultaneously through an alway up melee. Even if you remove still hunt prismatic hunters would *still* be the king of solo DPS for example.
They have the easiest access to high damage resist of any subclass since simply throwing any grenade whether transcendent , neutral, or even gunpowder gamble can give you 10 seconds of woven mail or simply dodging can give 40% (WS)
And that’s without factoring in utility like Invis or sever which hunters have fairly 24/7 uptime on with minimal investment.
To highlight what I’m saying, anyone can feel free to look at the grandmaster report website and check glassway(hardest GM of the season so far minus the new one that came out yesterday) solo leaderboards, look at the builds of the top 5 hunters and you’ll see a variety of builds being used. Now check for warlock and titan and you’ll see that hunters have the most amount of build diversity of high level builds. Of the top few hunters only 1 used combination blow and based on them having 77 super kills with Nighthawke it seems the person was likely cheating so I wouldn’t even count that lol.
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I’m sayin bruh
100% agree. My only complaints with hunter are the 2 new exotics, the new aspect and hunters are somehow the worst class to use star-eater exotic class items mostly due to their super interactions. That last one I mentioned is probably the most annoying one to me, other than that prismatic hunter has hundreds of different ways to set it up.
@@sQuaTsiFieD I’ve got a pretty good setup using the new exotic and class item . Ascension pairs amazing with grapple. It’s definitely not 10/10 but that’s partially because ascensions bugged since launch, similar to ensnaring slam at launch
Star eater is fairly useless on prismatic hunter but it does have 1 amazing build. Galanor + star eater + full set of Pale Heart weapons = 24/7 spam of a 70% boosted silk strike. It’s been my second most used loadout this season
Listen man, I know it feels like Hunter Prismatic only has "One good build", but I fundamentally disagree. The grenades are definitely a pain point with me too, but I've been running Threaded Specter with Gunpowder Gamble. and it's been pretty amazing. Hell, I've seen tons of Gunpowder Gamble builds, and some that even combine Winter's Shroud with Threaded Specter instead. Just because the "best" build happens to be Comb. Blow/Stylish Exec./Winter's Shroud with Liar's/Caliban's doesn't mean the other possibilities don't also cook
I will agree that Ascension feels sort of out of place as a Dodge substitute, but I also don't think it's terrible either. Applying Jolt to everything around you is nothing to sneeze at, it's just not better than using Winter's Shroud to slow everything instead
Hunter is so overhyped in the final shape it’s not even funny. Meanwhile warlock has so many more options and now has the best burst super in the game thanks to star eaters. Idk how anyone even jumped on this Hunter clown bandwagon
Threaded needs other damage to reduce enemies down to killable outside of on level content. You can use ruinous effigy and queenbreakers in on level content.
Ascension interacts with one dodge mod and zero dodge aspects. Jolting everything is easier and more safely done with voltshot on a much shorter CD.
Hunter absolutely has one build for general play. We still have still hunt of course, but turning off the artifact for it and the 33% nerf has pulled it in line with other strong contenders at the moment. One build is just correct.
@@TargetSniper365 probably because of the witness bossfight and how a hunter is more consistent than the other 2 class
@@Akram-nx8to witness is the only fight in the game maybe oryx too where hunters have it easier. Otherwise warlock all day
“It’s combination blow or nothing.” *me side eyeing my chain ignition threaded spike, gunpowder gamble and threaded specter* …..sure.
I think Titans are the only ones that actually lack build diversity because it's just a cobbled mess. Warlock and Hunter do have plenty of usable pieces, the main issue is why use them over other builds. Especially with the class item, Warlocks and Hunters have a ton of options, but they have to compete with other Prismatic builds AND the mono subclass builds. Why would I use Threadling Spam on Prismatic over Strand, or over Devour+Buddy spam if on Prismatic? Why use Revenant with Renewal Grasps on Prismatic over Stasis, or vice versa, and if I use it on Prismatic, why that over Liars+Combo? It's the disparity in power that makes it FEEL like there are no options, ESPECIALLY for Hunters because of how much stronger the combo builds are compared to everything else. I used Banner/Into the fray for forever, but the nerf to Into the Fray's regen rate and the addition of Wishful Ignorance made me take up Flechette Storm, and it's my absolute new favorite ability. It was the toning down of Into the Fray and Bolstering of Flechettes that made me feel like I have options(at least on strand). Hunters are "suffering from success" right now that any possible build is overshadowed by combo builds, making everything look so much weaker by comparison
I think you articulated what I was trying to get at better than I was able to do!
1. Warlock buildcrafting is essential 'Choose your flavour of ability spam'
Vanilla = Spirit of Osmio/Inmost
Grape = Nezarec Sin
Blue = Crown of Tempest / Getaway Artist
2. Gifted Conviction builds are competitive, especially with an Arc Conductor Ergo Sum
3. Relating to Gifted Conviction, it is better on pure Arc Hunter due to Flow State.
this guy are not playing full hunter potential, i'm sorry but about to dislike the video, its kinda "wrong information" biased on his experience only, i've created on my own so many fun builds with hunter, spam nades with witherhoard, spam melee ignitions, damn gifted conviction my beloved on arc and prismatic , idk comb. blow is good but are not all of hunter in the current meta, and i only play hunter, i remember when i get kicked because hunter was trash in pve, i dont understand these people saying"i'm a hunter main " and crying asking about nerfs on his main class, fuck that man
Tell me you've never played on warlock without telling me you've never played on warlock
No i agree even if you technically change the abilities every build plays almost exactly the same
I actually love gifted conviction on arc hunter with indebted kindness the dr is crazy
As a warlock main .. I play hunter here and there.. I have an ergo sum, jolt everything prismatic build and I love it.. if you know how to keep your ammo for ergo sum, you are literally unkillable. Ascension with gifted conviction is such a good crowd control ability the way I use it and it saves me if I’m falling to my death. Yes it requires you to build around the ability but if you are a good build crafter then you can make an amazing build out of it
Yeah theres def more options then combo blow. Ive been messing with gun powder. Theres some pretty wild ability spam that you can use. Its vlfelt esspecially strong in gms
A real hunter never takes off his favorite lucky pants
Lol no. Stompees, liars handshake with brigands law, or lucky raspberries. Double 100 with a nearly unkillable meta. Just be sure to be punching always lol.
And they have two new burst hand cannons. And they slap
@@Peppy869 Yeaaaaaaah!!!
I have to disagree the build path for hunters was to fit the class fantasy of being "tricky" and sneaky. Thats exactly what prismatic has done, through the ability to invis spam no matter what. Most of the hunter builds focus around stylish for general gameplay. Unlike titans tho, hunters have incredible builds that dont need both stylish and combo to excel. Ascension/ergo sum is an example, or any grapple and facet of bravery build. Hunters have muliple options to nuke rooms, the "easiest" just happens to be liars/calibans and combo. An issue with prismatic can be stated for any class: Titans are forced to build into this, warlocks have to use getaway artist or apotheosis, hunters need to use combo blow. These are all valid opinions as they happen to be some of the strongest prismatic builds for the class. Hunters however have so many options for builds with many of them being equal to or marginally worse then liars/calibans
Hunters have no problem, its why damn near everyone uses them, because its easy lol
As a titan main I finally lvl my hunter and warlock and omg 😂😅 titan it definitely taking a slumber for a while
I disagree with the statement that prismatic hunters have zero diversity in their builds and its only combination blow. There's so many good builds including the gifted conviction paired with ascension and to out right dismiss it as bad even if if you personally didn't like it is untrue. Love the content but it feels like he didn't give the other aspects and builds a real fair shot. not saying they are as good combination blow but to say hunters have only one way to play in prismatic is something i disagree with. I would recommend really giving the other hunter builds a fair shake and if you still feel that the other builds aren't worth using at all then we can discuss. Once again love the content and keep up the good work.
You are wrong. The point of the abilities the chose are both to há an exotic attached to it or for it to have options for fun and unique interactions WITH THE CLASS ITEM.
You’ve missed the fact that prismatic is limited by design. It’s impossible to give all aspects from completely different subclasses synergy and have any substantial build diversity.
Exotic class items are there to give synergy to abilities, fragments, aspects and supers that lack them or give unique synergies that are impossible for normal exotics.
Case and point: Gunpowder Gamble, “no synergy outside of facet of mending and ruin”, sure but it does with: spirit of inmost light, foe tracer, verity, cyrtachne and all other grenade related perks
Woven Specter: spirit of inmost light, dragon, foe tracer, worm husk, coyote and it’s own unique exotic.
So on and so forth. People are so quick to dismiss exotic class items when discussing prismatic builds that they seam to forget that bungie made them specifically for prismatic for this exact purpose more unique and powerful builds!
One question about Gifted Conviction. By saying "it's not very good" u mean on Prismatic only or that exotic for both Arc and Prismatic cause it is really strong on Arc with all the dmg resistance makes u run GMs Like they are strikes.
But yeah i do agree that it should be like ensnaring slam so it counts as a dodge, but we should remember that it was the same with that aspect it didn't proc dodge perks at release too.
As of writing the video I felt that Gifted Conviction did not feel very impactful gameplay-wise. I'm very much not a fan of either tempest strike or ascension, and the projectiles from gifted didn't feel like they did much. After reading a bunch of comments, I decided to put a build together and try GM Liminality... and I was pleasantly surprised. The DR was nice, and the jolt worked well with stylish on prismatic. (I think I'm going to do a more in-depth look at it and give it a more fair analysis in a future video too)
@@RazekiYT Try running grapple with ascension , it’s an extremely good combo as activating ascension while grappling allows you to propel yourself very fast similar to shatter-skating. And stacking jolt+unravel is great since they both activate from tick damage once applied.
Grapple also works well to help move away/towards enemies to activate ascension, lets you fly past enemies while jolting them before they can hit back
And since ascension doesn’t activate the dodge effects running marksman helps since lower cooldown
You can also activate grapple melee AFTER ascending if you still have momentum. So it would go grapple -> Ascend when above enemy -> grapple melee them. This will leave you invis at the end of the combo since grapple melee will likely get a kill. And if you run the health regen on melee fragment it will be smooth
Good luck 🎉
Cryoclasm: Finally, a worthy opponent (Ascension). Our battle will be legendary
Personally I would swap the solar grenade from swarm to tripmine, it only is it a little more balanced in pvp and isn’t as aggravating, but it would open spine of ahamkara for GPG explosion builds, or a caliban/Cytarahcnee exotic class for throw grenade and melee explosions
That's a really solid idea. Swarm nade, smoke bomb is just infuriating in pvp, and I think the trip mine fits the "bag of tricks" Rouge Hunter fantasy much better
"hunters are having the same identity crises as titans, just that it's builds are strong" is a hot take i can get behind on. the meta/best builds for prismatic hunters feel like a good part of them should have gone to titans
This is a bad take. Hunters have unique and powerful things to offer, and actually have variety in builds. I feel like I have options whenever I play my hunter, vs when I do a raid/dungeons on titan, I know I have literally 3 options.
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Saying prismatic hunter has “one good build” couldn’t fathomably be more fucking false. Prismatic hunter is so versatile and bungie gave them so many toys that it’s become a problem. They literally turned hunters into titans but better, being able to perform most every role they fulfill in a way that’s easier or more effective. They’re THE damage option for anything precision based. Hunters in there current state are a problem to the game, not a “oh hunters are finally good and you’re just mad.” No, they are a legit fucking problem that Bungie needs to address after Joe Blackburn comes back to curbstomp pee parsons
There are only two facts about Prismatic.
- Instead of building a third dark subclass, Bungie pulled the most epic glorified last minute case of “copy/paste used content” to hype up The Final Shape DLC and get you to buy it (obviously worked).
- it basically decimated every other subclass into irrelevance.
If Bungie really , you have 10 years of subclass tweaking gone down the drain.
I disagree with the statement of the lack of build Diversity. Gyrfalcons or Galanor + Gyrfalcons cloak allows for an improved version of gyrfalcons void combined with high tether uptime. Also, Calibans + Synthos is pretty underrated with the strand melee allowing for chain ignites. Foetracer + Verity allows for you gunpowder gamble bomb to be a mini nuke and makes your build not super dependent on your melees or class abilities. That and Galanor + Star-eaters allows for super spam.
Prismatic hunter with gyrfalcons (class item or not) slaps hella hard with void weapons
Duskfield nade and strand/stasis melee are amazing
The void aspects also need another fragment slot
I agree with the other points, but I can’t really agree with the “only 1 build having support” build. Gunpowder gamble favors ability spam builds, and Threaded Spectre, Winters Shroud, and Stylish Executioner can add to ability spam as well. The cloak has several combos that work well with grenade or melees aside from combination blow, and other exotics can work as well. For example, when I have played Hunter, I’ve mained the Moth grenade exotic! Which has been fantastic, and feels like the best subclass for the exotic.
Prismatic Hunter does not have “one build” they are the strongest class in the game, they have arguably overshadowed pre-nerf Banner Of War and Well Of Radiance in what they can do, they can stack infinite damage resist while having the strongest long range burst DPS in the game, They’re the only class with a taunt(an unreliable one but it works), they destroy anything with Synthos. They have no weakness or downside, you’re throwing if you’re playing Hunter and not using Prismatic
@@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540 that’s the biggest lie I’ve seen all day😂🤣
@@TargetSniper365how, everything he said is true
@@Kaiwalski quite simple.
Warlock has the best burst super in the game with star eater scales nova at 1.1 million and no artifact mod required. Expanding abyss only adds 5% more so it isn’t even a factor. Vs a radiant nighthawk facet of courage GG is only 745k
Warlock has always had the best survival, healing and support we know that. But they also have the best ranged AoE which is faster and safer than melee builds on Hunter. And of course best crowd control because of all of the pet summons. Hunter had the dps crown but with the Tuesday hitting of still hunt it made it so the sniper without nighthawk barely is any different than with nighthawk. So there is zero reason to use a Hunter now when warlock has a better burst super and better overall gameplay loops and survival.
Hunters had a good run but it’s over as of yesterday now. PvP though Hunter is cracked. No denying that. But in pve yea it’s second place for hunters now
@@TargetSniper365 some perspective: I am a Titan main, warlock is certainly extremely strong but so are hunters. Damage meta is always fickle so what does the most dps doesn’t really matter as long as it does the job really well. Still hunt nighthawk is still extremely potent especially with artifact, but the main thing is that the prismatic hunter does in fact have plenty of build options that have depth and versatility within all endgame spaces of the game. Whether it is the absolute pinnacle at all times is not the question there are a lot of options. Your class item is so cracked it’s hilarious every single option is viable in some way and most of your spirits basically power creep the original exotic anyway. Warlocks are the exact same, they have so many options and ways to personalize their builds and there’s not really a set of unusable aspects due to the inherent synergy the kit was designed with. Hunters may not have as much inherent synergy but it doesn’t take much tweaking to make something usable out of all the aspects thrown on there, even threaded specter which is not amazing in pve comparatively is one of the most broken PvP abilities rn(which you did discuss not using PvP against you but just saying there are very very few things granted to the hunters kit with not place build wise) this video tries to make it sound like hunter and Titan are comparable with how badly their kits really synergize when that is so far from true it’s funny. The prismatic design philosophy was taking underused aspects from individual subclasses and making a greater whole out of them, the problem is that for the Titan this came in the form of 5 niche aspects that even when combined don’t really make anything all that crazy. Unbreakable is unusable in pve and PvP, drengrs lash is usable but niche and underwhelming compared to other suspend options especially from warlock and hunter, knockout is boring and is a worse amplify tool than options from hunter and warlock, and diamond lance while good is not exactly great and ultimately doesn’t pair well with consecration which is highly solid aspect only made meta by its interaction with frenzy blade. The grenade options for the Titan are abysmal with both darkness grenades being worst in slot especially because prismatic Titan has no way to shatter the crystals made from the grenade. Additionally the class item is so bad it’s funny, the only perks really worth their salt in any serious build are inmost light, synthoceps, and star eaters with some of the others being nichely applicable but really needing a really specific use case to be good. This feels especially insulting since our 2 best exotics are the ones given to both other classes while we got one good option from the others(ophidians which is only good in PvP and star eaters which is an undeniable win). I just don’t see a world where the prismatic Titan kit can be compared to the hunters kit in design failure when there are so many good fun builds you can make within the hunter kit, for Titan its consecration or rockets if you want to be anywhere near meta. Of course players really good at the game who don’t need flashy kits will always say things are fine cause they can use whatever and get away with it.
@@TargetSniper365 sorry for the essay I sorta went on autopilot about my thoughts here. Not trying to be mean just trying to explain my thoughts somewhat coherently.
Playing my Titan makes me feel like "I can do all of this on my Warlock" Then playing on my Warlock with better and more fun builds.
Didn’t know warlocks had consecration knockout combo one shotting gm level champions
@Alckee6904 yeah but that's all titans have realisticly, titans need more build diversity instead of JUST titan go punch punch
@@Alckee6904lol you can only do that if your teammates haven’t already killed all the adds in the room. Because if there is no adds you don’t have damage boost or any survivability 🤣
Gifted conviction is amazing on anything that's not intro/low level.
Hunters get the good shit every fucking expansion they have the best subclasses exotics and abilities
Prismatic has more than serviceable builds for every class. If you tune one, you gotta tune em all.
Always have been, but ya know, noone likes to hear it.
Gifted conviction is S+ tier. Literally get 4 stacks of resist on top episode artifact. Use it with Arc only and you become ni unkillable.
Community agrees titans are under powered and fundamentally flawd desing
Hunters that have to play victim: wait mommy me too am bad design, pls believe me
I don't know what you are talking about. I have several endgame viable builds that are not combination blow. But you have to get lucky with your class item.
Me using a gyrofalcons on prismatic
I think the issue with Prismatic subclasses is more of a people issue.
It doesn't matter if the subclass has 10000000000e^3 builds, people are going to find the select few that work the best and call it a day, then complain about a lack of variety. I've seen people complain prismatic warlock is boring because there's no point in running anything outside of Getaway Artist + Devour + Arc Soul and from a purely practical standpoint they're (likely) right! (I haven't tested it myself to confirm but it seems pretty strong.)
People inherently sap the fun out things in the pursuit of efficency. It's human nature.
"People inherently sap the fun out of things in pursuit of efficacy"
Truer words have never been spoken.
Unless you're playing the most hardcore of the hardcore activity, people forget that you can just use something because it's simply fun.
All anyone focuses on with Prismatic Hunter is Combo Blow. It is so annoying hearing people say "It's the only thing worth using".
I'm a Hunter main and this video stinks of Hunter apologist energy. "*sigh* Oh woe is me, my class is the strongest in the game and I can't change the way I play the class for even a moment because I am a slave to the meta. Please shed tears for me."
Why don't you people stop shoveling the "meta" into your mouth and actually look at what can be made with the ingredients given to you? I know for a fact that Void Hunters have wanted to combine Gyrfalcon and Orpheus Rig into one build, and wouldn't you know it, Prismatic can do that.
Combination Blow isn't some special child that everyone needs to pay attention to. It's the same as the Arc version, except this time there are explosions and out-of-control damage stacking.
I have always been one who looks at what utility an ability brought to the table, not just stacking damage buffs like liars or syntho so I personally like running magnetic grenade for weaken combos because I'm not the biggest fan of prismatic hunters grenade options and the same goes for threaded spike for it just being easy to loop, sever, and it arguably being the best utility melee while clearing ads really effectively. Combination blow build is no doubt strong but if I wanna do the dodge melee build I would go play my old arc hunter build, not prismatic. I'm playing prismatic to mix a bunch of weird shit for fun and useful builds, not an old setup with more 3.0 verbs and it's especially pushed when farming exotic class items is as annoying as it is. I play alot of destiny and like making builds that suit my playstyle and can carry if blueberries or my friends aren't pulling their weight in endgame activities but i feel like people are looking at prismatic all wrong. Titan is still wicked strong with and without exotic class items and you can get some good builds running on prismatic but titans issues for prismatic are more glaring because it's aspects are so laser focused on specific things that were either already niche on release or got nerfed super hard in one way or another so they barely feel usable outside of their subclasses because they can't be combo'd with their usual pairing aspect. Aspects as a whole need a rebalance and rework and don't get me started on how some fragments are always slotted while others get ZERO usage. But look at something like void titan: void OS is useful in pve if you build super heavy into it but only gets usage from people who love building around it, it's never in the conversation for something thats meta defining while it was annoying to deal with in pvp so bastion (the aspect that gave it for free got turbo nerfed) then look at the other aspects: I love the concept of volitile but it got turbo nerfed after one season of being good and the one weapon perk it has only gets play if you have really good pairing perks on an already stacked weapon and the other aspects neutral game REVOLVES around you having void OS. Look at titans aspects/exotic perks as a whole: how many of them are exclusively "does x when you use your barricade and thats the main thing, x damage buff to neutral melee, or gives you something completely unique that just loosely interacts with your 3.0 verbs but is just kinda its own thing like banner of war and sunspots? My point is titan has strong and ok things in its kit but prismatic FEELS bad to build because synergizing things doesn't flow well compared to warlock and hunter. I mean come on, noone is actively using knockout, diamond lance, or D lash, in pve if they have other aspect options because they're the one note boring aspects from their parent classes that CAN be built around but aren't especially powerful. You can make the argument that other classes have boring or blatantly ignored aspects like solar hunter because everyone who plays it on the pve side focuses on something with the knives or buffing precision golden gun and thats it. Either you like big tripmine or you're just using the other aspect for the fragment count NOT what it actually provides in buffs and that at its core is a balance issue as a whole, not a titan exclusive thing as much as it is more blatant on titan.
I honestly disagree and im a warlock main. I think there are plenty of other good builds that are just overshadowed by the big two
I think that many people who main a class are disappointed by that class on prismatic. I main titan and I think prismatic is wack. But when I play warlock and hunter I have a blast. Grass is always greener on the other side maybe?
Eh I don’t use combination blow I have more fun using other builds. I rarely see hunters using combination blow too.
Whilst I have almost always felt Hunters were second in power to Warlocks, they are definitely the strongest in TFS.
But I don't completely agree with your take that Hunters have one build and they stick to it.
Sure, I may use Still Hunt and Celestial, but I don't do it for optimal dps. I do it because big number makes brain happy, and I activate it on red bars at times.
I've never really been a fan of the combi blow playstyle, being more of a gun user in the first place. Therefore I use withering blade and grapple as my two ability options. Why not use threaded spike? Because despite what Bungie have said, it still messes up a grapple melee should I throw it before going for one.
Now, I mostly use Stylish + Ascension. Why Ascension? It's both an offensive and a utility tool. Utility is obvious, Amplified for DR with the artifact mod, getting higher, combining it with grapple for some high speeds. But the offensive capabilities cannot be undersold either. Anything in the radius gets jolted and takes a bit of damage. Doesn't matter where I've used this, it clears ads like crazy. Be it Master Salvation's Edge, GMs or the other hard content. It just works.
So no, I can do just fine without combination blow, and I don't believe Hunters have just one build on Prismatic. Do I feel limited by Prismatic? Very. But I don't think we really need much to make it work (Okay maybe some other grenades because the light grenades kinda suck)
So. A lot is wrong in this. Lucky pants are arguably better than any class item(I don’t think it’s close tbh). Orpheus is as good if not better than the class item you mention. Omni can be as if not more effective. Gyrfalcons and the gyrfalcon class item. I literally haven’t used combination blow it still hunt once. Every onslought I do, I’m carrying and being way more effective that players with the few class items you mentioned.
Couldn't be more wrong about hunter lol easily has the most options when it comes to builds
As a hunter main, the video didnt resonate with me. Admittedly, Im not a meta chaser. But the idea that prismatic hunter only has 1 or 2 builds doesnt make any sense to me.
Prismatic hunter is the most fluid and flexiblw class to me. I can spec it towards any subclass keywords. I can stun any champion.
The utility in being able to AoE jolt and Amplify is great with ascentuon (and pairs amazingly with stylish ex for psuedo invis Dodge) but ends up being exlipsed by the fact i can use it while jumping for 4 jumps or while blinking for a very helpful upwards momentum tool.
Gunpoweder gamble is great to synergize with any grenade activated effects like HoiL, Cyrt, or Verity. Completely opens up grenade builds for hunter.
Not only is there so many viable paths for hunter (yes even in end game like GM or master raids) as a hunter main, ive struggled to even have a set build! I am constantly swapping an aspect or a fragment out to better fit a situation.
Once again, the fluidity and flexibility are what have blown me away with prismatic hunter and are why i keep playing, haha.
Nice video but from my perspective all the hard walls and lack of selection is something coming from how you choose to look at the subclass or the sandbox.
Its a playground for me personally. Constantly adjusting and maximizing builds depending on the encounter or activity.
You bringing up how Bungie wants to keep players from having their cake and eating it too, no one is having their cake or eating it. Bungie has gotten to a point where they literally don't know how to balance their own game and have resorted to telling players to piss off because they want to make the game bullshit.
I can't get off of gunpowder and ascension. It's way too good. Instant amplified to get damage resist and it stuns overload champs and it turns your dodge into an offensive ability. Kills all trash adds around you and procs dragons perk on cloak to reload all weapons. Gun powers goes without saying. It's the best aspect on hunter. Stasis melee is ranged and works on two different champions. Way more fun than the liars with slow dodge and combination blow to be honest. For me anyways.
And I find the normal arc strider kit clears adds better the same build on prismatic since arc class shocks all enemies around the guy you melee'd. I still like this build more on arc than prismatic for that. But on prismatic works better agaisnt champions with all that damage from hitting them with dark and light.
There’s other builds. 😂 Think outside the meta hive mind. You can find ways to support the build. You gotta use different perks and weapons. Not just the new “meta” ideas. Maybe you’ll dodge less, maybe you’ll melee less. Find a balance and learn to play differently.
Agreed, prismatic is extremely oppressive and unhealthy for the long term health of the game. It takes every class niche and makes them stronger.
Just cuz you use only one prismatic hunter build doesn’t mean everyone else does. Where’s the talk of the woven maul grenade class item that gives you 40’% dr on grenade throw, and with gun powder gamble you have access to 3 Grenadew meaning infinite damage resist ? Combo blow is good, it’s not the end all b all brother. And still hunt just got butchered with night hawk
I really think you're tunnel visioning. Yeah, the dodge/punch build is fun, and Nighthawk is solid dps, but you can really build into some ability spam set ups if you take a step back and really look at the available synergies. I run a Cyrtarachne/Inmost build with Gunpowder and Stylish on Tether super. Great sustain, plenty of spam, and youre supporting damage while also doing decent damage yourself. I'm well on my way to getting my gilded conqueror. I'd personally recommend thinking more broadly before saying Hunter pretty much only have 2 builds
Theres really not a big problem with hunters. if he thinks that hunter is worse for building, he's wrong, look at warlock they basically got one singular build, and on titan, you either run consecration syntho titan or your dmg is gonna be 10x worse. bungie isn't focusing on warlock or hunter rn bc even if you dont have much building potential you have a kit that dominates endgame content, while titans are almost obsolete in the meta and have almost always been. There no point in saying prismatic hunter needs to be changed if they are basically the best rn. For example, look at the titan class item, id say only 2 of the entire list are considered S tier, otherwise majority are completely unusable had have no synergy. Like they gave us hoarfrost, like theres no synergy, the whole point is that it benefits from tectonic harvest, even so behemoth is horrible, dont even mention arc, or even void, void overshield is ass, they made our barricade cooldown 3 minutes(with bastion). Arc has no survivability and stasis is just bad in general. at least hunters have other very usable classes and a prismatic build thats the combination of good aspects. While titans have gotten a combination of aspects that aside from consecration knockout, arent the main point of titan. I get bungie was trying to stray away from titans are the melee class, but if our entire kit was based of melee for entirety of d2, adding in items like, drengrs lash and diamond lance dont make sense. Dont get me wrong, amazing aspects but as i said, they cant stray away from melee since knockout is based off melee.( meaning in certain content survivability when enemies are farther away is difficult for us to go against in gm, also mentioning our only ranged melee to help proc knockout from afar is the shield throw, which in higher level content isnt gonna even kill a ad) the difference in dmg between consecration titan and any other prismatic build is huge, i could either be doing 400k consecration slams or be suspending and doing 100k max. I do agree prismatic is very limited as of know for each class, but asking for hunters to be given more aspects or fragments that support new build paths is saying to buff a class thats been dominating in pve and pvp. Also don't get me wrong, titan, hunter, warlock, prismatic builds are fun, im not saying titan is bad in any way, but im saying there is no need to be giving hunters anything new or a buff as of now for more build paths if one class is in significantly in need of it
Edit: Also I was talking about PVE not pvp, in pvp all classes are really good
Womp womp don’t have to constantly play meta.
I disagree, i still think hunters are number 1 and warlocks are number 2 and titans have the least build diversity and only have melees and need some love by bungie
@@NGFRIZZ imagine being this wrong
@@TargetSniper365 tell me then
@@NGFRIZZ quite simple.
Warlock has the best burst super in the game with star eater scales nova and no artifact mod required. Expanding abyss only adds 5% more so it isn’t even a factor.
Warlock has always had the best survival, healing and support we know that. But they also have the best ranged AoE which is faster and safer than melee builds on Hunter. And of course best crowd control because of all of the pet summons. Hunter had the dps crown but with the Tuesday hitting of still hunt it made it so the sniper without nighthawk barely is any different than with nighthawk. So there is zero reason to use a Hunter now when warlock has a better burst super and better overall gameplay loops and survival.
Hunters had a good run but it’s over as of yesterday now. PvP though Hunter is cracked. No denying that. But in pve yea it’s second place for hunters now
@TargetSniper365 alright you can have your own opinion on which class is 1 and 2 but my main point in my comment was about titans and how they need some more love, go back and read it.
I'm not saying your wrong about warlock being 1st and hunter 2nd but titan is definitely in third FOR SURE
The Hunter Prismatic kit is NOT build around „Combination Blow“ its Build around „Stylish Executioner“ and here is where your video goes Wrong imo. All Prismatic classes have one Aspect wich is the „center“ of that subclass and that is how they survive/Stay in the fight so for Hunter: Stylish Executioner, Titan: Knockout, Warlocks:Devour, and then the rest of the Subclasses Aspects and Fragments is build around that to enhance this Aspect and yes of course there are aspect in it wich don’t directly work with the „center Aspekt“ but those Aspects are in there to provide a different playstyle and thats how you Work with Prismatic (btw the other Subclasses are build kinda similar). The only reason why Titans are getting so much hate on prismatic is because the „center Aspekt“ of Hunters works with every ability the hunter provides (note I didn’t say aspect i said ability) and this makes the hunter more versatile and that is the same thing with warlocks as devour gives you grenade and Health wich are the two most desired things in Buildcrafting ( and with that i mean Health as in Survivability and grenades because most Builds are Builds on how to spam your grenade). Knockout on the other hand even while giving you the Elemental Buff „Amplified“ only provides a Weaker Healing than Devour and doesn’t even give you an Ability regen buff as Devour does and only Works with Melee Kills where Devour works with every Kill after you got one Kill with an Ability. And that is the ONLY problem with titans on Prismatic, People feel forced to Play with Knockout and therefor feel forced to play a Melee build even though they would maybe like to Play a grenade Build. It is btw Possible to Play a Hybrid build of Melee and grenade on titan but People only see Knockout and consecration because why wouldn’t they? It’s by far one of the best Combination for Titans as this alone can clear entire Rooms on its own but of course when people don’t experiment with what they have and only play this then it gets boring.
So a quick recap:
Titans have the weakest „center aspect“ of the Classes therefor it feels the Weakest even though the Prismatic Titan Subclasses has great Synergies within it
And I don’t in the slightest talk about how you can or can’t enhance your Gameplay with exotics I only talked about the Subclasses itself so don’t try to talk about Synergies with exotics thats a completely other Point (at least Kinda).
Honestly, i’d agree with you. Prismatic Hunter doesnt have very great grenades for the most part, and the supers feel a little lack luster. The aspects do feel like they were chosen specifically for Combination blow, and celestial.
As for still hunt, i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. An exotic weapon that can charge up it’s GG shot in one mag of precision hits should not be dealing NEARLY as much damage as a normal GG super shot. Still hunt’s GG shots, outside of the celestial nerf, should also be 33% if not 50% weaker than the actual GG super shots
Half of regular GG super shots is just whisper with radiant, heck no
@@sansthememe5316 Whisper is a power weapon that REQUIRES all precision hits to be that powerful. Still Hunt is a special weapon that can get roughly 9, if not more GG super shots in half the time it takes to fill a normal super bar, and deals 300K damage if all three GG shots landed.
I stand by my point
@@Lady_Borealis 3 shots, requiring 6 to proc out of a mag of 6 and already doesn't benefit from the artifact mods. Might as well just scrap the weapon
@@sansthememe5316 dude, your mindset is so broken. 6 shots to charge up 3 incredibly powerful shots, which return ammo for those shots, of which deal the exact same damage, and have the same precision shot damage increase scaler as the normal GG super shots.
If you feel so bad about that, then how do you feel about Izanagi requiring the consumption of a whole magazine for that powerful shot?
All i’m saying is that an exotic that can charge up GG shots in six shots, of which are the exact same as the actual Super shots, and can be charged in a fraction of the time it takes to actually charge the real super, is beyond broken. Either the still hunt gg shots need a nerf, or the actual super gg shots need a massive buff
@@Lady_Borealis just watched Aztecross video on the nerf, your 50% additional nerf on top would basically make it do exotic primary damage, so I stand by my original thoughts, heck no.
Hard Disagree. I love prismatic Hu and don't even use combination blow builds even though I have the Cal/Liars class item. Cytarachne builds are better IMO.
I think he is voicing a desire for more synergies. Even with cyterachne, the grenades are fairly lack luster. I don’t know why you wouldn’t want more builds for each class.
Prismatic warlock makes me want to switch to Titan
You’re insane if you think this
@@TargetSniper365 more like prismatic titan makes me want to switch to warlock
@@KO-2201 yeaaa that’s more correct lmao. Warlock is in such an op state right now it’s crazy. Much more than Hunter in pve too. Hunter dominates PvP but since they gutted still hunt there is zero reason to run Hunter over warlock now
@@TargetSniper365 I play mostly PvP, prismatic warlock is absolutely horrible for PvP and solar on console can’t reach the same speeds or snap skate as easily due to controls and capped frame rate, then in pve the turrets are way over rated and lightning surge with synthos can’t even match the damage of a basic consencration, the bond is dog like who even wants secant filiments when ability kills give me devour, vesper has been watered down to be worthless on the bond and I can go on and on about how awful the bond is, threadling don’t have thread of evolution so they are much weaker and weavers call is really weak, even the buff is kinda bad when you are required to get strand kills when things like diamond lance on prismatic only needs kills on targets with debuffs, even ice turrets on prismatic are mid without ice flair bolts since it freezes one target at a time and slowly at that, prismatic warlock is being so overrated while prismatic titan is being so underrated as long as you build a bit more into survival a bit more in pve and in PvP it’s just amazing, playing prismatic titan just felt so easy, more consistent movement and abilities along with just better PvP abilities and it’s just getting ignored because hunters are op and apparently if hunters are op then warlocks must be too which makes no sense
@@TargetSniper365 still Hunt dps is still op af and out damages anything else, the nerf still leaves is powerful shot at damage equal to 3 rockets, you don’t even check your info or test stuff yourself so please be quiet rather than adding to this stupid idea that titans are bad, this only came around because they were bad at witness dps before exotic class items
Respectfully, I don't agree lol. Great video, though!
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1:52 bro why do you look like Ferb...?
Good points! I have been feeling the same. I would love to see some more build diversity.
I mean are they that good or are we just so used to Titans being the OP of the classes? Hunter's time to shine in my opinion.
Hunters being broken pretty much shows that majority of devs are hunter mains
Far from it. Titans and Warlocks have been favored for the majority of Destiny 1/2
what the hell is this take LMFAO
Hunters were worthless in pve for a long time. It’s not that the devs are mains. Class balance goes through cycles
I think prismatic is just bad for the game overall. It sidelines most of the other subclasses because it does one or two things significantly better and you can pick your super. You end up just playing a superior version of a light/dark subclass.
Arc for every character is less fun and significantly worse than pris.
Solar titan is laughable compared to triple concentration/knockout.
Gunslinger had give and take before, definition of glass cannon, but prismatic threw the glass part away in favor of unheard of damage resistance.
Stasis wasnt that great before but now its all but removed from the game. They gave coldsnaps and bleakwatchers away. Stasis titan had a niche super that underperformed in most situations and now prismatic can just pick that super if the situation calls for it (riven)
The only subclasses that provide anything pris cant do are probably Solar Warlock, maybe strand if you like threadlings that much. Strand titan and void hunter. This is with semi endgame PvE in mind but prismatic overpreforms in pvp too. Of course you can still go play the light/dark subclasses if you want, however in my experience whenever I try that it always feels slower and emptier, not because they are designed poorly, they just cant do everything and compared to prismatic, that feels bad to play.
I still think prismatic is fun to mess around with and feels good to play, but jesus, it is the absolute peak of power creep. And it's extremely unhealthy, in my opinion. Plus, having 3 light subclasses and 2 dark when the opportunity for a 3rd dark subclass in resonance was right there makes my brain itch
"Solar titan is laughable compared to triple concentration/knockout."
This will always be a terrible take.
@grottymink7784 the sustain is better, it has superior ad clear and you can choose a better super. Plus you get unlimited aoe melees and an amazing grenade with transcendence. And all that Is assuming you aren't using an exotic class item. Throw that in the mix and it's not even close.
Long story short, bad take.
I like this channel but unfortunately this video was pretty far from honest that I can’t continue supporting this person. While I agree in pvp that hunters are completely unmatched no question.
In pve it’s a different story.
Warlocks absolutely take the crown for pve in every way possible. Especially with the major nerfs to still hunt now and star eater scales nova being the highest burst super in the game at over 1.1 million. A nighthawk GG only hits for 745k. So there is that. Not to mention warlock excels in RANGED add clear which is vastly stronger than a melee add clear that Hunter has to do, physically running to your target takes time and might have risk vs a warlock with getaway artist or even a crazy solar build can nuke an entire room in seconds from any distance. Then when you discuss team support, survival and crowd control it’s not even something hunters come close on. Warlocks have owned those categories for years.
So while the video is ok the title clickbait was a major turnoff and really showed you aren’t that knowledgeable of the current game at all. Warlocks are easily the top class now since the SH nerfs and saying otherwise is literally sticking your head in the sand.
That's really wild to say you can't support him off a different opinion than your own. Not like he's been exposed as a POS of something. It's okay to have a different opinion, and should be encouraged honestly.
@@oots4790 I mean Hunter got overhyped like crazy with final shape when all they really had was broken dps with still hunt. Now that that’s gone there is zero reason to play one in pve when a warlock can do everything but 1000x better and safer
wahhhhh, hunters have the best build in the game, wahhhhhh
Comments on still hunt but the gun got absolutely neutered yesterday jeez this guy is clueless
You know videos take days to make right? .... You're way to critical for not being a channel that makes any content honestly.
@@oots4790 he still uploaded it? He had 24 hours to realize “oh shit hunters got nuked today maybe I should edit this” but that’s why hunter mains crack me up they think they are cracked when they aren’t even close. Even lost the dps crown now
Your acting like it's garbage now, the same happened with well. People said it's done for but still it's a must on almost every raid team.
Still hunt celestial is still the top DPS build, and still hunt is also still the best in class sniper.
Looks like you're the clueless one for things a 33% nerf (though absolutely huge) is enough to get people off a sniper that shoots literal golden gun shots, along with having the busted sniper mods this episode 😂
@@LazerMonarch ok so you haven’t been following the math much. The issue is nighthawk used to be super broken with it. It used to give a 52% bonus to the super shot on SH because it combined them. Now? It’s about a 2.5% increase about 8k more than the base three shots. So the problem is there is ZERO reason to run a hunter now. Warlock with star eater scales nova does over 1.1 million in a single super. Golden gun only does 745k. That’s a huge gap, like ridiculously huge.
So if I want to be the top dps and most optimal I’m playing warlock now with star eater nova. Hunters can’t claw back that 450k gap anymore after that still hunt nerf. The gun is good but it just means hunter no longer has an edge anymore because nighthawk is no longer needed for the gun to be broken
@@LazerMonarch also you mention sniper mods in the artifact did you not read the patch notes? The part how snipers mediation no longer works with the golden gun shots from SH? Yea because that’s a brutal nerf on top of the 33% nerf to nighthawk. Dude we get it you are coping but move on
I like this channel but unfortunately this video was pretty far from honest that I can’t continue supporting this person. While I agree in pvp that hunters are completely unmatched no question.
In pve it’s a different story.
Warlocks absolutely take the crown for pve in every way possible. Especially with the major nerfs to still hunt now and star eater scales nova being the highest burst super in the game at over 1.1 million. A nighthawk GG only hits for 745k. So there is that. Not to mention warlock excels in RANGED add clear which is vastly stronger than a melee add clear that Hunter has to do, physically running to your target takes time and might have risk vs a warlock with getaway artist or even a crazy solar build can nuke an entire room in seconds from any distance. Then when you discuss team support, survival and crowd control it’s not even something hunters come close on. Warlocks have owned those categories for years.
So while the video is ok the title clickbait was a major turnoff and really showed you aren’t that knowledgeable of the current game at all. Warlocks are easily the top class now since the SH nerfs and saying otherwise is literally sticking your head in the sand.
Im sorry but your comment is wrong but its respect your basis opinion
@@delevbraefletcher3266 that’s actually Copium if you think it’s wrong lmao. On dps alone now mathematically hunters already lose. 745k golden gun vs 1.1 million on star eater nova. That’s actually hilarious how big of a gap warlocks have now. Not to mention everything else I said on survival and team play and aoe.
Combo blow builds on Hunter are laughable having to watch hunters RUN to their targets and by the time they get there I’ve already nuked the room. It’s a hyped up class for sure but nothing more when you really break it down