Coachmakers Vise ~ RESTORATION ~ A PERFECT vise for your She Shed
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- This is a 99 year old COACH-MAKERS Vice! It bears the name Athol, but was REALLY made by Starrett! What people call these vises have changed over time. You may call this as a carriage makers vise, a pattern makers vice, a sheet metal vise, or even a wood working vise.
A coach maker or carriage maker was a trade where the maker would build or repair horse drawn carriages. Through the evolution of time and of the trades coach makers changed to coach smiths and largely worked on building and repairing railroad coaches, carts and the like. These people had skills in woodworking and also blacksmithing, as it took the ability to work with both wood & iron to accomplish much of the things these craftsmen dealt with! These were VERY skilled people of their time! They have almost been completely forgotten about mainly because their trade name was too specific to early means of transportation!
Coachmakers vises have smooth faced jaws that are usually much taller and thinner than typical bench vises. That provides for more access to your work piece clamped into the vise. It's a great vise for filing or working with taller materials. These vises also open much wider than comparable mechanics vises allowing you to work on larger work pieces.
The smooth jaws are also relatively "non marring" and don't leave marks in your work piece like a typical mechanics bench vise will, making it great when working with soft metals like copper, brass, or even wood and plastics, or you just plain dont want something marked up!
These vises were largely made by company's like Reed, Prentiss or Athol, such as this one, but one thing's for sure, NONE of these vises are still in production today.
These vises are getting harder & harder to find for many reasons. I'm willing to bet that these vices are / were VERY easy to abuse, and since they have tall thin jaws and they open so large, it would be EASY to use this vise improperly, and break it! That on top pf the fact that MUCH less of these vises were made, and they stopped making them many many decades ago are just a few of my opinions on why many people have never even heard of one!
Laroy Starrett, one of America’s tool pioneers was the founder, along with other associates, of the Athol Machine Company in 1868. During his time with the company Starrett developed a line of vises and other mechanics tools. He left the company due to patent disputes in 1875. Those disputes prompted Starrett to sue the Athol Manufacturing Co., he won, leaving him with enough capital to buy Athol in 1905.
Athol Machine Co. changed its name to Athol Machine and Foundry in December 1920. Therefore Athol vises bearing the name “Athol Machine Co” are pre 1921 and those labeled “Athol M&FCo” are post 1920.
Therefore any Athol vise manufactured after 1905 is a Starrett vise whether it bears the Starrett brand name or not.
The L.S. Starrett company is still in operation today making incredible high quality machinist tools & precision measurement tools.
I found this vise buried in a locked cabinet in an old Blacksmith / Fabrication shop. I was digging through a bunch of old tools, and at the very bottom of the pile completely covered in black soot / oil & grease was this Athol / Starrett 413 1/2X Coach Makers vise from post 1921, just waiting to be discovered again!!
I truly appreciate that you've taken the time to watch as I bring back the bygone era of THIS Coachmakers Vise!
I'd love to know your thoughts on this project!
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What are your thoughts on larger Restoration projects with MULTIPLE videos? Do you like how smaller restorations start AND finish, all in one video? Do you dislike having to wait for the next part? Or would the complexity of MASSIVE machines offset all of that? I'm planning to start one of my larger projects soon, and wanted your opinion!
Bigger is better, right?
Smaller projects are good in one video,I think bigger ones almost always need 2 or more smaller videos so some people don't get bored, my self if I start dating a video I stay till the end its only fair to you for all your time and effort to produce said videos .so thank you for your honest hard work
I enjoyed the air compressor, if your projects are that sized, multiple is better. If you’re doing vises and such one is good. Change it up and vary your content and you’ll keep us all interested. For what it’s worth.......
Small restoration projects with one video, and more than one video for larger projects ... it's all good. I don't think you want to make one very long video as viewer life's interruptions will commonly leave your work half watched.
For me 20 or 30mins is great whether one project or multiple parts of one large one. The wait is always rewarded with your fine efforts. Thank you and love the weim's ,their beautiful dogs.
No tool should EVER be abused and abandoned, especially one with the magic words, " MADE IN USA " on it ! Thank you for your care and dedication !
Your dogs and the love shown are spectacular. Thanks for all your work and for including the dogs. Love animals. All kinds.
Another beauty saved from the scrapper and ready for another 100 years of service
Can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that he primered the whole thing. Alot of channels dont do that. And that's why I'm here
You really don't need to prime it if you're using self etching paint, like "Hammerite Direct To Rust" or comparable kind of products. :)
@@Bannimann2 not the point. The point is he goes beyond. Cast iron repair.... he doesnt shy
Thank you Stephen! I don't cut corners on ANY of my projects! Plus whether primer is "needed" or not, doesn't matter, it smooths out minor imperfections, and makes the finished paint job much nicer!! Beautiful yet fully functional end results are what I'm ALWAYS after! Lots more of those to come!
Yes they do
Made in Athol Massachusetts, aka "Tool town". Athol and much of Connecticut and Massachusetts used to be an industrial powerhouse. Now, nothing. All service sector or fast food jobs. We sold our souls to China for cheap stuff. Thanks for bringing this old tool back to life
It's outrageous isn't it...
Here in the UK we had Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle and Glasgow areas...all Industrial giants back in't day...
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A little tip on opening cans with metal lids. The small hole in each tab is for a screwdriver. Put the screwdriver in the small hole and pry back with it. It will lift the tab right up!
Good Tip! I don't open many metal buckets, they are becoming less and less common! Now I know for next time!
That's not a tip....It's a how to.
@@Blaze_1961 a better way to take off the lid is a tip. A how to would be when it hasn't been achieved.
Good for another 100+ years!!!!! =)
I totally agree! Only problem is that I'm not sure If I want to use it now or not! Lol decisions, decisions! As always, thanks for watching & commenting! Lots more to come!
Excellent Craftsmanship !
🙂🙂🙂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Now a shelf ready museum piece.
I'm fairly sure this is the first teal vise with gold accents I have ever seen. Should be a perfect addition to the fantasy workshop for making carriages for princesses. Excellent work!
Nice vise and another well done restoration. loved the paly time with the puppies.. Peace
Thank you my friend! I plan to include more & more time spent with the pups in future videos as the channel grows! They are a big part of life around the workshop!
I just picked up a Charles Parker 674-1/2, which they advertised as a Woodworkers vise. I'm gearing up for a restoration. First challenge is getting the swivel base set screw broken free from some serious rust. Enjoyed the video.
That is AWESOME Jim! That's an awesome vise! I've seen some of those old ads, and they DO call it a woodworking vise! Most people today wouldn't believe it if I tried to convince them of it! Good Luck with the restoration, I'd love to see it! My email is in the about section of my youtube page if you'd like to show me!
Another Museum quality restoration.
Machinists vice, the little anvil bit on the back is usually how to tell. Pattern makers vice is a woodworking vice. Also woodworking vices have wood on the jaws or are mostly made of wood. Metal will mark or damage wood too easily for most applications and you generally want to clamp a larger area of wood to reduce marking and improve holding.
All that being said, very nice restore!
You should look at some old vise ads from the turn of century! There are / were SO many different types of vises, and I'm sorry to say but your generalizations are may be true to a degree, but not regarding ALL vises especially from the time period this vise was made!
All that being said, thanks!
@@SalvageWorkshop I'll encourage you to Google Pattern Makers Vise and show images. They are awesome vises and great examples and engineering. But... they are all designed for wood lined jaws. And what makes a Vise a pattern making vise traditionally is partly that the jaws can pivot to hold non-parallel work.
You will find the term abused in advertising as they were considered the best of the best at the time they were used and so those trying to sell to the under-educated would use the term as a sales point. Much like "hand made" and "made by hand" take a beating in modern times. Don't even get me started on "Genuine Leather" (the charlitans).
Anyway, patterns would be made out of wood initially since it was easy to shape but it would be important that the surface remain undamaged as any mark would transfer to the casting.
So good to see old tools being made good again well done mate
Much appreciated Pete! I couldn't agree more!
Beautiful!
Love it all! It’s satisfying on the reveal of the letter and number markings from our advantage so we know you dig it as well. Keep up the great work.
great job!
Heck yeah! My heart stopped when I saw this video. I recently inherited a Reed Coach Makers Vise in excellent condition. Still has the original paint! The jaws are not chipped or damaged. The only problem is the handle is bent. I’d like to slap some sense into whoever did that. Great vid! Glad to see more of these vises out there!
My dad had one of those. Loved the thing.
Really beautiful and lovely dogs and nice work man!👌👍👋
A beautiful piece of machinery- 8 parts.
That turned out better than I imagined. I can’t believe you highlighted the internal nut AND the lettering. That’s dedication and a little bit of OCD. Thanks mate🙏🇦🇺
It’s now a piece of artwork! Beautiful restoration.
Thank you Steve! She's a beauty, that's for sure!
Great job!
Much appreciated my friend!
Nice job.
Now this gorgeous vise is working on all thrusters god speed! Make more movies restoring vintage vises iam addicted!going to the yard sale now to find a hobbies vise to restore if I can find one.
God tier restoration
Great workmanship, love the colour
I started watching your videos just this week. I find them very interesting. I used to work where they sand blasting pistons. That was my job. I do miss it sometimes.
Good job !!
Thank you! Lots more to come!
Perfect job! Congratulation
You absolutely nailed it.........best vice restore on You Tube.
Thank you Joe! I don't know about best, but It definitely turned out pretty nice!
Beautiful job look good in any shop.
awesome job as always love the pups having fun with dad cant wait for the planer resto but what ever you do I know it will be great thanks and god bless
Thank you Doug! I have a few smaller projects planned, but one of next big ones will be one of my engine lathes from the 1920's!! I need a lathe to make some parts for a few other projects, and it should make for an AWESOME video series! I'm excited about it! The Planer is a little ways off, I need a place to store it indoors once I restore it! As always, thanks for watching & commenting!
Great job, Matt! Nice looking vice! Love seeing the doggies! They are so happy!
Thanks Martin! Weims are always happy and want to be RIGHT there!
Love your videos! Absolutely fantastic job restoring this beautiful old vice. Love the color choices. Your pups are killer. I’ve always wanted a Weimaraner. They really need more exercise than u can give them right now. I just lost my last pup. He was a beautiful border collie/Dalmatian mix, and had the mist amazing ice blue eyes. I envy you. Hopefully I’ll be able to get another dog some day, but until then it’s great to watch yours. Thanks for sharing them, as well as your beautiful restorations!
Much appreciated John! I also really enjoy how it turned out! I wasn't sure for a short minute! Weims are the best breed, but I am a bit BIASED! lol... I'm glad you're enjoying the videos and our pups! Lots more of BOTH to come!
Another great save!
Much appreciated! I'm happy with how it turned out!
Good job. Thanks
Much appreciated! Lots more to come!
Beautiful job, one of your best!
Thank you Michael! I am really happy with how it turned out as well! Thanks for watching & commenting! Lots more ahead!
I like the wax trick. Beats smearing grease over everything, including areas that need protection from rust but grease is overkill. Reduces a lot of extra mess grease can cause.👍
I agree!! I like paste wax for vise dynamic jaws! It really helps cut down on flash rusting and keeps it moving smoothly!
Meant to add “Thanks for the tip!”
@@Vault57 Anytime!
All the gold trim and baby blue paint tells me this is destined to be a book end.
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Have one.....Great Vice
good job
Awesome
I have an old Morgan 8 Coachmakers Vise that I picked up for about $50. It weighs near 85lb, and I use it all the time. I have even used it working sheet metal.
This is the got be the best one yet. Great to see the dogs too ☺
I appreciate that Graham! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Lots more from the shop and of the dogs to come!
That’s a great color. Nice work!!
Thank you Jonathan! I appreciate you watching & commenting! Lots more to come!
Excellent restoration, as always!
On your question on which type of videos preferred, I personally like "one shot videos". I enjoy them better, rather than two part video.
Thank you!
Very nice 👍
Thank you my friend!
Well Done! Wonderful! Thank you introduced Bohdan and Tobias. I knew that Bohdan blond.
Much appreciated!! I'm glad you are enjoying our pups!
Really great restoration, and I like the color combination. 👍👍👍
Thank you! I wasn't sure on the color at first, but once finished I loved it! Thanks for watching!
Nice job!
Thank you my friend!
WOW !! Nice work as always 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you Anthony! I appreciate that!
U turned this into a real beauty.....top.job, man
Thank you my friend! I completely agree!
Another beautiful restore I love your videos they are not only educational but I find them very entertaining, and thanks for the shots of the dogs, I to love animals :)
Just love watching your videos !! And the pups are amazing so pretty and well trained great work all thw way around love your videos !!!👍👍👍👍
When you said Teal and Gold I said oh no, then I saw the end result and completely take it back, that thing is gorgeous. Great work, nice attention to detail, thanks for sharing!
Thank you my friend! I had the same thought initially, but I figured I could always just repaint it If I didn't like it! When it was done, I LOVED it!M aybe a bit different, but they all can't be hammered metallic colors!
Wonderful restoration.
Fantastic colour ......
Rarely do I watch these from start to finish ....... I did watch the entire video with great interest.
Thank you ☺️
Enjoyed your video and gave it a Thumbs Up
This was a good one. You made me smile at the rubber gloves while you were using the wire wheel. The vice looks too good to use. Gorgeous dogs. Work safe.
Against the flow - the dogs at the end were a hit. Your command voice and control of the play were excellent. If more of us trained our dogs to behave like this, there would be more happy dogs and humans. Well done.
Thank you my friend!
Words I never thought I would say... "Now THAT is a sexy vise!"
Lol... I totally agree! She's a Beauty! Thanks for watching & commenting, LOTS more to come!
WHAT?? I think all vintage vises are sexy!
That almost looks pretty! Love all the information you put in the description
Almost huh? interesting!
This is a beautiful piece of work. In fact, the vice is so beautiful I’d probably hesitate to use it!
Thank you Shelly! I have been having the same EXACT thought about this one!
really nice😀
Thank you my friend!
The finished product is so lovely I'm not sure I'd ever use it as a practical vise.
That vise is a beauty! Wasn’t sure about the color but I like it. Great job! 👍🏼
Thanks Dave! I wasn't sure about the color at first either, but I'm trying to challenge myself to try things outside the box! (or al least outside my box, which would be everything gloss black!)
Очень хорошо, молодец человек!
Спасибо, мой друг!
Wonderful. I like interesting and useful restores. Some warrant multiple videos and some are simpler.
Thank you Wayne! I appreciate the feedback, and MANY of my larger projects will DEFINITELY be multipart videos! I just need to find a way to keep people interested!
One of the things I like is seeing how you approach solving different restoration issues. It would be nice to see some shots of the specialty tools that you used in the project. Perhaps laid out like the project before assembly. Often I see something useful I’ve not seen before. I would also suggest mixing in some additional projects where you build useful things.
nice restoration
Thank you!
Very nice look man, great job
Thank you Tim!
@@SalvageWorkshop I'm guessing that you are down south some where, and what do you do that you have such a big shop? Your dogs are cool too. I personally like start to finish videos because sometimes waiting for part two takes a long time. Great work bro .
Love the dogs!
That is one great vise restoration brother.
Thank you my friend! It was a fun project! Thanks for watching commenting! Lots more from the shop to come!
that awesome vice was made in my town
Very nice restoration. It never occurred to me to use JB Weld as a filler, but now the seed is sown. Thanks.
Thank you my friend! Ya lot's of things we use for one thing have many other uses! I'm glad you liked it! Now go put it to good use!
As always you gave justice to a great tool! Actually you made it even better! Couldn't expect less from you! Thanks for sharing:-)
Thank you! I did my best! Now its ready for another 100 years of carriage making! lol!
On a really big project I wouldn't mind 3, 4 or more videos. I you loose the way the project got to where it is we can always watch the one before. I like the way you are editing the vids and the time laps are usually funny and fun to watch. Small projects, if there is a lot of detail could be one or more videos. Right now I'm kind cooped up in the house so I have to say, can't get enough. Thanks for all you do to entertain us.
I appreciate your feedback on that! My worry is that series videos tend to get less and less views as the project progresses, and my hope it to find a way to change that! I have some MASSIVE projects planned, and they will definitely be at least 4 part videos! Way too much work for them to be anything less! I appreciate you watching & commenting, so it works out great for both of us!
Great job again. To pretty to use.👍
Thank you Rodney! That might just be true on this one!
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When opening a large can like that, put the screwdriver down into the hole of each tab and pry toward the center of the lid. Opens right up that way.
Ya showed a great example of why you always wear ppe while grinding. Those wheels sometimes come apart and can fly in any direction
I completely agree! PPE ALWAYS!
Your work on tool restoration and your knowledge about their origins and use is a valuable asset. I was wondering if you have thought about finding sponsors in your community who would support a “tool museum” that could serve as an education and learning center for kids who might want to enter the trades, go into fields like engineering or design, or simply offer to the public an interesting view and perspective into the past. Great job as always.
I appreciate that, but I'm just a guy who loves old tools! I haven't really thought much past that yet! I like the idea though! Thank you for your confidence!
Hi from Canada, allways good to see your work, love the dogs put a smile on my face, keep up the good job & have nice day friend
Thank you Stéphane! I appreciate that! Lots more from the shop and with the dogs to come!
As a fairly recent subscriber, I have really enjoyed all of your restorations. This one is no exception.
Welcome! I'm glad you found the channel! Check out some of the older ones, I'll bet you'll enjoy them just as much! I truly appreciate your compliment Butch, lots more to come!
Lovely restoration of vise. I like your colour selection - it now looks like it came from Tiffany's!
what a great find. rare. you'd think being from athol that these would be everywhere, but they're not. if you can find them they're really expensive. nice job
Oh yeah, cool dogs too.
Very nicely done! I wish you would have used the gold spray paint on the lettering, a little sprayed into a small container and brushed on would make the letters pop and compliment the jaw accents. NOT criticizing! Only a suggestion. The restoration work and skills are absolutely top notch. The gold jaws really won over boring typical practices. Great job! Thank you for sharing.
Another superb restoration! That’s a very pretty vice, though I know that won’t stop you using it as restored tools should be.
Thank you Mark! I have been having the thought that this one might just be decoration! We'll have to see!
Great job!
I will not bore you with my opinion on colour choise; The thing is now protected against the elements and will not give rust/dirt stains to everything it touches.
Please- do make some restorations that are multiple episodes! I love to dive into interesting series- if they are well marked to find the follow up episodes, that is..
liked the video also like the dogs
I just mention this because it took me three cans to figure it out... The holes on each of the tabs on that can lid are there to put your pry tool into for prying the tabs up.
That vice looks better than new, now you won’t want to use it😜. Love the one video projects on small hand tools and larger projects do require more videos, but keep those to around 30 minutes that way you keep us hungry for the next one 😎. The weims are always a big plus 👍🏻👍🏻
Muy buena restauracion y lindos esos perros, se ven contentos, saludos de Uruguay
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Nice Video. I just bought the same Athol vise except mine has the quick release function. Seeing your video gives me some good ideas for mine. I think mine was originally black japanned and I think I am going to go with that color and maybe gold letters. Thanks
Hello SW, another great restoration. I was a little unsure of the colour scheme, but it came out winners. Great to see your dogs in action, they really respond well. As to your videos - long, short or multiple videos, it makes no difference to me. You do amazing work and I'm just glad you are willing to share it with us. If you run out of ideas - maybe restore your parts cleaner - LOL. Regards, Dave
Well Done...even with a tight timeline! T-Wrecks
I appreciate the vote of confidence! I was able to pull it off!
Nice. I have a 423 1/2. Hope I can do as well.