as mentioned in the video, here are several other tournament games with dragmag: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-437210 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-438086 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-440726 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-449205 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-940220567
It actually doesn't. Scizor demolishes this team. Mamoswine too. Take care of magnezone and then throw a +2 bp at everything with scizor. Easily beaten.
@@vincent-ataramaniko Well, the entire point of dragmag is that it is high risk high reward, and because it loses to some match up almost outright (although ...... Dragmag is infamous for being able to pull off insane reverse sweeps even in unfavorable match ups if you are not careful against it), it still is worth bringing to a tournament and will have a pretty consistent game to game performance overall, because as much as it can lose outright to some teams, it also can also be an almost guaranteed win in many match ups (Balanced Sand for example generally doesn't appreciate dragmag)
DragMag is the definition of wide as an ocean deep as a puddle it's the simplest idea imaginable. Dragon has one true counter, remove that then click dragon death. But the execution of that is what gives it it's complexity and nuance.
dragmag in practice: oh shit this guy isnt going to fall for my u-turn shenanigans, i know, ill keep clicking outrage until he has to go ferrothorn, then bait him into switching out of zone preemptively by clicking outrage again and getting another kill, once he thinks ill stay in then ill go zone okay ferrothorn has been deleted, time to click outrage until im forced to clean up with scarf garchomp or scarf latios
I'm really glad BKC is acknowledging how most of his viewers watch his videos as pseudo-podcasts. It makes it so much more fun for listeners and if you are a viewer then you have unreal patience.
What I learned from this video : -You never have enough dragon power -Starmie sucks -You need to be smart to muscle throught the opponent with dragon power
Loving these team/playstyle breakdowns, especially for "older" gens - there's so much here to learn and apply for both starting and advanced players. BKC doing a SERVICE for competitive players out here.
Dragmag is a perfect example of how to abuse trapping. It allows you to create a teamstyle that abuses the lack of the specific Pokémon that are trapped, and do so consistently.
I’ve binged like 5 of your videos in a row while working on some big project over the last few days and…your voice/intonation hate that perfect sweet spot where they’re pleasant to listen to, but relaxed enough to not require 100% focus for me to follow. The result is that my project is almost done and I learned a lot about different BW OU team styles. Super informative content, gained a new fan
I remmember seeing a generation 5 ou tour in a lobby once and just quickly picking up your drag mag team from the sample teams and then reaching about 2nd 1st and 2nd again (because I did like 3 lobby tours)and everytime I got 2nd was me getting washed by rain.
Much appreciation for the informative and quality content! I found your channel through the Viper magneton video; I never knew how much I needed a Gengar called You Gone Die in my life until now.
I've been loving all these competitive analysis videos. It's entertaining to listen to and you talk about some very interesting stuff, as I don't know much about old generations. Keep it up! 💜
This is amazing, one thing I'd love for all of these videos would be in-built timestamps, as I find myself referring to these videos quite often and timestamps help a tonne
When talking about DragMag the thing i mainly remember are that Gen 4 RMT during Mence and Latias days and i think that one PKGamings RMT with Banded Haxorus
DragMag is still a very potent combo with fairies around, but its a bit more (I guess) specific to how it should be built. While Mag is still damn near required, there's so many options now in steels that can beat most basic mag sets, so now double steel is semi-required to also keep a steel around to check fairies. Sub/Iron Def Mag + SpDef Heatran has been my favorite combo to run, as Mag can double as a phys wall and designated steel removal tool, while Heatran can check any fairy not packing coverage for it, and gets a lot of good switch ins, while also having rocks. Any non-grounded dragon is typically a good starter regardless unless you have a non-grounded steel
Is it possible to hybridize rain and dragmag well? Rain boosted surf from latios and thunder instead of thunderbolt on magnezone, or is there not enough room on the team to do rain instead of sun
Why over thunder over psychic? Doesn't that hit tentacruel and rotom even harder? I don't have a ton of B/W experience but it was just one thing I had a question on.
It puzzles me that this playstyle didn't persist into later gens. I guess it's very simple - fairies, but Zone is just as good against them, is it not? Currently considering experimenting with it in BDSP, surely Clef, Kiss & Azumarill are just as Zone-prone as Skarm etc. right?
splitting the rest of the EV's between def/sdef is a wasteful on kyurem-black, if you want to increase bulk on both sides investing in HP is optimal despite it's 125 base stat in HP
Hello! I'm basically a casual observer of 6v6 metagames so my apologies for this potentially dumb question but what makes magnet pull ok to use but arena trap and shadow tag worthy of a ban? Is it just because they only work on one type vs the other two working on every non levitating/flying pokemon (and in newer gens, ghosts iirc?) which makes it easier to beat big metagame threats you otherwise couldn't? How would you feel about more type specific trapping abilities being added in the game? Also I enjoy hearing about your vast knowledge of past gens and your enthusiasm for them as well. The fact that you are a fan of 30 Rock as well is pretty cool too. Best of luck with the channel growth going forward!
yeah i'd say you've got the right idea. same reason why pursuit was a very healthy move, basically these are amazing typings (ghost and steel) and by having a mon that can be dedicated to trapping them you lessen how good they are due to their overwhelming presence. in addition magnezone can't beat all steel types and has to pick and choose which ones to beat. Ferrothorn can beat non sunny day zone in rain, heatran beats most zone, skarm gets beaten but can run shed shell or whirlwind on the switch. so it's more fair than dugtrio/goth where there are many targets to trap that do not all have counterplay.
I'd Say that trapping abilities on General are broken on the singles format, regardless if they trap a Big chunk or just a small part of the meta. Overall because they remove an important aspect of the game which is switching, this abilities usually become so centralizing in their scope of support, that in order to not lose from team preview they have to incorporate certain suboptimal sets on the Main targets of trapping, like Shed Shell Skarmory. This often means that either you are running a suboptimal item on an otherwise good Pokemon, or you get into a game which all your choices end up in favor of the user with the trapping ability.
dragmag honestly sounds like old goats from Overwatch where instead of building a balanced team you just go "this type of pokemon/character is really strong, therefore I should just make an entire team of them" and having it work by sheer murder potential
Hey Kevin, great video! Found it very useful to get to know more about a playstyle I was very unfamiliar with. I usually don’t build much BW but come SPL I always like to give my 2 cents on the BW prep, maybe make a couple teams with my “new gen” player mindset, etc. (Though finch’s been my BW player for 2 years so he doesn’t really need much help to begin with), and I think I’ll give dragmag a try. Speaking of which, what do you think about alakazam as a last poke on a specs/cm lati+scarf chomp framework? I assume it’s worse than reuni in many aspects, but I think it’s got some cool traits as well, namely: Another way of breaking teams via latios weakening ttar or jirachi and zam cleaning up late game; make latios able to run more powerful sets without immediately losing to the likes of scarf keldeo in rain; ability to break through (or at least annoy) those protect spam teams that make it REALLY hard for dragmag to beat them (I know reuni does that as well but y’know, still valuable as a last poke there); being able to survive that one attack no matter how strong it may be (i.e. reuni isn’t eating a +1 dragon gem boosted attack vs opp dragmag, zam is); the always valuable yellow magic, or, depending on calcs I haven’t made, maybe recover? You can come in on stuff like heatran repeatedly that way, or tenta if rain is gone, etc. (you can use signal beam or shadow ball last too ig). Maybe running zam has very evident drawbacks I didn’t notice so I’d appreciate you telling me if that’s the case. Last thing, I really liked zf’s team, that man’s always building the weirdest shit but it somehow (almost) always works.
Idk if someone already pointed this out but gems are banned in OU. Would we just run Lum instead of dragon gem on Dragonite and be fine? Sry if you already answered this
I don't understand why a special wallbreaker like specs Latios would not be advised with physical wallbreakers. Doesn't that compliment them as it can break physical checks like hippowdon and like defensive rotom-w better? Can u explain that further
a physical wall will never stay in on latios. they will switch to their special wall, which doesn't mind going down if it takes latios with it. as a result, the physical wall stopping your physical dragons is still around and healthy. you need to force those physical walls to take your physical hits, which allows you to overwhelm them. if you try to hit them with special moves, they'll just switch.
I know this question isn’t related to the video, but what are your thoughts about the dugtrio/arena trap suspect test in gen 4 ou BKC? I personally am hoping duggy doesn’t get the ban hammer but I can already tell most people are favoring a ban. Poor dugtrio can’t catch a break.
Do you think specs dragonite with moves like draco meteor, ice beam, flamethrower, dragon pulse, thunder, surf, hurricane etc would be viable for dragmag? From my experience it works as a less offensive but a tankier rain team latios which ik dragmag isn't supposed to rely on weather but I really like having those kinds of sets for countering politoed
Just a point of curiosity BKC,if Regidrago,as it is with all it’s moves and ability,existed back in Gen 5,do you think it would elevate the consistency of DragMag or it’ld be just another option to the style?
It would totally be broken lmao That thing with a Specs and Modest nature hits harder with Dragon Energy than a Banded Kyurem Black's Outrage, and even with a Scarf that thing would hit like a truck. I think it would be EXCELLENT on Dragmag yes
Could you please explain why magnezone normally runs max speed in DragMag teams? It seems better on paper to run 144 speed evs to outspeed spdef heatran, and invest remaining evs on bulk in my opinion.
Ik this is an old video and you prolly won't see this, but what do u think of draco meteor on dd mence. Dragon gem puts draco meteor over the threshhold of ohkoing scarf lando-t, as well as many other counters after rocks or other chip damage such as sandstorm or toxic and if draco meteor fails to ko you can always dragon dance on the switch and outrage. Here the meteors also help jumpstart the moxie snowball effect giving you +2 after a dragon dance.
Suggestion maybe u can put teams in description to experiment with when u talk of team styles like this if it's work don't bother gr8 vid rlly informative when tryna get into old gens u put a lot of effort in them
I remember him saying he doesn’t put teams in descriptions because he already goes over all of it in the video. He doesn’t like that lazy mentality of “gimme gimme. “ He spent over an hour and a half talking about the team and going over various sets and options so that we as viewers can find what we prefer and use that. If you just want a team the smogon forums have plenty and even if you dont want to go that far you can just skip through and look at the first team he made, which is still a usable team. Not trying to be mean just explaining why he doesn’t.
Hey BKC maybe guides on how to play a certain play style? In this vid you explained how to play Dragmag kinda but that for something like ADV would be cool
Is hydreigon always unusable in drag mag or do u think there’s situations in which having a second special attacker/psychic immunity would be beneficial?
Hey BKC, could you possibly do a video about the crown tundra? Like your thoughts on the new pokemon and/or how you feel it'll change the meta? I know SS OU is kinda bleh but I wanna know your thoughts, much love and keep up the good work
If you want to deal with rain dish cruel, why not use psychic on jirachi? It’s stab so it’s better than thunderbolt and won’t suffer an accuracy drop in the sun you set with zone. And you can hit a weakened keldeo too.
I love your vids. But I have a question with drag mag. I’ve never played competitively so I don’t know if black kyurem was better than white kyurem can someone explain who was better?
I mean most of them had like rly bad movesets. Theres also their stab. The only good stab is with base 90 plus recoil. Thats not a great option. Like every Phy- Electric type is rly slow and there are Earthquakes everywhere. Thats what I think is the problem
i know this is a joke but here’s the explanation: with an odd hp value, four uses of sub from full hp takes you down to 1 hp, which is really bad when the opponent has a priority move like banded scizor bp meanwhile even hp numbers take you down to 25% hp after 3 subs, which will activate salac berry early, and potentially let you live a priority move by lowering the hp iv to 30 you get an even number while being able to invest in defense or spdef to survive certain attacks better
as mentioned in the video, here are several other tournament games with dragmag:
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-437210
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-438086
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-440726
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-449205
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-940220567
The very last replay says access denied
The fifth weather effect in BW OU: "Meteor Shower"
This man spent 3 minutes talking about 2 dudes clicking rocks turn 1
Dragmag sounds like a style that a 5 year old would come up with but it actually works so well
It's so my favorite style. Almost for that exact reason.
This also sums up Blue-Eyes decks in Yu-Gi-Oh and why they are so fun to play
It actually doesn't. Scizor demolishes this team. Mamoswine too. Take care of magnezone and then throw a +2 bp at everything with scizor. Easily beaten.
@@vincent-ataramaniko Well, the entire point of dragmag is that it is high risk high reward, and because it loses to some match up almost outright (although ...... Dragmag is infamous for being able to pull off insane reverse sweeps even in unfavorable match ups if you are not careful against it), it still is worth bringing to a tournament and will have a pretty consistent game to game performance overall, because as much as it can lose outright to some teams, it also can also be an almost guaranteed win in many match ups (Balanced Sand for example generally doesn't appreciate dragmag)
@@sephikong8323 yep I think dragmag destroys any team with no priority moves and teams that lack strong defensive cores
Dragmag just sounds like one of these "I guess that could work" Strats that actually turned out to be meta defining
DragMag is the definition of wide as an ocean deep as a puddle it's the simplest idea imaginable. Dragon has one true counter, remove that then click dragon death. But the execution of that is what gives it it's complexity and nuance.
The idea of dragmag in concept :
"Magnezone kill Steel. Steel dead. Dragon go Ooga Booga"
dragmag in practice: oh shit this guy isnt going to fall for my u-turn shenanigans, i know, ill keep clicking outrage until he has to go ferrothorn, then bait him into switching out of zone preemptively by clicking outrage again and getting another kill, once he thinks ill stay in then ill go zone
okay ferrothorn has been deleted, time to click outrage until im forced to clean up with scarf garchomp or scarf latios
I'm really glad BKC is acknowledging how most of his viewers watch his videos as pseudo-podcasts. It makes it so much more fun for listeners and if you are a viewer then you have unreal patience.
i can't imagine someone watching the five and a half hour one from april/may in one sitting dear god
@@kstiemsma And not even listening to it as a podcast or multitasking, literally sitting there and staring at the screen intently the entire time
@@musique-ef3rz The joke's on you, I literally sit here and watch it, while occasionally teambuilding.
I'm using his videos so often to sleep, although sometimes I watch the videos itself especially when there are battles to analyse.
What I learned from this video :
-You never have enough dragon power
-Starmie sucks
-You need to be smart to muscle throught the opponent with dragon power
- if your dragon power doesn't work, add more dragon power
The old Damage + Damage combo
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One of my favorite passtimes on CZcams now is listening to BKC deep-dive analyze metagames I don't even play. Keep up the great content.
Same with me! But I eventually play some of these
Imagine if there was a Fairy trapping ability so you could have some sort of DragMag in newer gens o3o
Isn't that kind of Arena Trap's job? 😅
@@autobotstarscream765 I guess, but dugtrio doesn't beat every fairy
Well, it would still be a lot harder, as you would have to remove two types of threats at the same time
If there's a dark trapping ability you can do this with ghost attacks as they are I think only resisted by dark and normal
@@musique-ef3rz imagine mienshao with shadow tag lol
45:41 "Specs Keldeo Ice Beam" if only lmao
Fuckin every water type learns Ice beam except keld :(
@@llamaryder1 i mean im glad it doesnt cuz ho boy i wonder the terror
@@Mimi-qe7qz it literally wouldve been banned from OU instandly
@@Cobalt957 ...maybe that would be a better outcome then
Loving these team/playstyle breakdowns, especially for "older" gens - there's so much here to learn and apply for both starting and advanced players. BKC doing a SERVICE for competitive players out here.
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE it's not 1st or 2nd but not new I guess
Dragmag is a perfect example of how to abuse trapping.
It allows you to create a teamstyle that abuses the lack of the specific Pokémon that are trapped, and do so consistently.
This is why i always love magnezone. A powerful pokemon yet has a single, only simple job to do, which is removing steel types
Can we get you to do a competitive analysis of the Pokemon Rap?
ELECTRODE DIGLETT NIDORAN MANKEY rules the metagame and will never be topped
I’ve binged like 5 of your videos in a row while working on some big project over the last few days and…your voice/intonation hate that perfect sweet spot where they’re pleasant to listen to, but relaxed enough to not require 100% focus for me to follow.
The result is that my project is almost done and I learned a lot about different BW OU team styles. Super informative content, gained a new fan
I remmember seeing a generation 5 ou tour in a lobby once and just quickly picking up your drag mag team from the sample teams and then reaching about 2nd 1st and 2nd again (because I did like 3 lobby tours)and everytime I got 2nd was me getting washed by rain.
This happend like 6 months ago
Much appreciation for the informative and quality content! I found your channel through the Viper magneton video; I never knew how much I needed a Gengar called You Gone Die in my life until now.
Too much support not enough offence? More like too much mag not enough drag!
dragmag was my fav playstyle, my team was: Mamoswine, Chomp, Hydreigon, Mence, Magnezone and Slowbro
Slowbro is a bit too passive for DragMag isn't it.
1:30 Dragon moves go brrrrr
I've been loving all these competitive analysis videos. It's entertaining to listen to and you talk about some very interesting stuff, as I don't know much about old generations. Keep it up! 💜
This is amazing, one thing I'd love for all of these videos would be in-built timestamps, as I find myself referring to these videos quite often and timestamps help a tonne
When talking about DragMag the thing i mainly remember are that Gen 4 RMT during Mence and Latias days and i think that one PKGamings RMT with Banded Haxorus
My only regret is finding out about BKC's channel just around now, these videos are so informative & passes the time while driving in traffic
‘Overpower the opponent with nothing but sheer fource’ I better see a lando I, conkulder, or nidoqueen
Really glad you upload these while I'm at work so I can just tune out how shit everything is and just learn more about my favorite game. Thanks.
Mamoswine and weavile made me think twice about drag spam during dpp. My usual answer for the icy pair was Machamp or Scizor
i started playng gen 5 after the rain video, this gen is really fun
DragMag is still a very potent combo with fairies around, but its a bit more (I guess) specific to how it should be built. While Mag is still damn near required, there's so many options now in steels that can beat most basic mag sets, so now double steel is semi-required to also keep a steel around to check fairies. Sub/Iron Def Mag + SpDef Heatran has been my favorite combo to run, as Mag can double as a phys wall and designated steel removal tool, while Heatran can check any fairy not packing coverage for it, and gets a lot of good switch ins, while also having rocks. Any non-grounded dragon is typically a good starter regardless unless you have a non-grounded steel
Goat. Well, now we wait to see the ladder full of this core.
im really liking these ou team builders im just getting into gen 5 and theyre really helpful
never thought id be into an hour-long documentary about magnezone
Awesome video. You should make more of the BW team building videos that center around a play style
You're spoiling us BKC, thank you so much
dragmag gonna get spammed on the ladder now
LOVED the rain in BW vid, was hoping for more of these. Never played BW until that video, and still want to play more
I literally feel like I'm in a college course. Good stuff, wish my classes were this interesting
Is it possible to hybridize rain and dragmag well? Rain boosted surf from latios and thunder instead of thunderbolt on magnezone, or is there not enough room on the team to do rain instead of sun
can you upload these videos to spotify? would be really nice
if someone can instruct me how I'd go about doing that, I'd be happy to
I personally run:
Magnezone @ Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Sunny Day
- Magnet Rise
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Trick
- Psyshock
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
Starmie @ Expert Belt
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
Magnezone casually enabling the big boys to sweep
Not me watching a two hour video on a team I'll never use in a message I'll never play
Love all this playstyle analysis man
Oh hell yeah! I was top 50 with the haxorus lead strat post-genesect ban. What a great time
Drag mag was my favourite style in bw
It would be banned to ubers for sure
@@Akumo69 ?? It wasn't lol
Why over thunder over psychic? Doesn't that hit tentacruel and rotom even harder? I don't have a ton of B/W experience but it was just one thing I had a question on.
For the 60% chance paralysis
@@ark8021 oh shit I forgot about that. Thanks
@@Mark-sk6om np mate!
It puzzles me that this playstyle didn't persist into later gens. I guess it's very simple - fairies, but Zone is just as good against them, is it not? Currently considering experimenting with it in BDSP, surely Clef, Kiss & Azumarill are just as Zone-prone as Skarm etc. right?
Zone cant trap them so they just switch out into something like a gastro to hard wall, as an example
splitting the rest of the EV's between def/sdef is a wasteful on kyurem-black, if you want to increase bulk on both sides investing in HP is optimal despite it's 125 base stat in HP
Hello! I'm basically a casual observer of 6v6 metagames so my apologies for this potentially dumb question but what makes magnet pull ok to use but arena trap and shadow tag worthy of a ban? Is it just because they only work on one type vs the other two working on every non levitating/flying pokemon (and in newer gens, ghosts iirc?) which makes it easier to beat big metagame threats you otherwise couldn't? How would you feel about more type specific trapping abilities being added in the game?
Also I enjoy hearing about your vast knowledge of past gens and your enthusiasm for them as well. The fact that you are a fan of 30 Rock as well is pretty cool too. Best of luck with the channel growth going forward!
yeah i'd say you've got the right idea. same reason why pursuit was a very healthy move, basically these are amazing typings (ghost and steel) and by having a mon that can be dedicated to trapping them you lessen how good they are due to their overwhelming presence.
in addition magnezone can't beat all steel types and has to pick and choose which ones to beat. Ferrothorn can beat non sunny day zone in rain, heatran beats most zone, skarm gets beaten but can run shed shell or whirlwind on the switch. so it's more fair than dugtrio/goth where there are many targets to trap that do not all have counterplay.
@@kstiemsma That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining it to me!
I'd Say that trapping abilities on General are broken on the singles format, regardless if they trap a Big chunk or just a small part of the meta.
Overall because they remove an important aspect of the game which is switching, this abilities usually become so centralizing in their scope of support, that in order to not lose from team preview they have to incorporate certain suboptimal sets on the Main targets of trapping, like Shed Shell Skarmory.
This often means that either you are running a suboptimal item on an otherwise good Pokemon, or you get into a game which all your choices end up in favor of the user with the trapping ability.
dragmag honestly sounds like old goats from Overwatch where instead of building a balanced team you just go "this type of pokemon/character is really strong, therefore I should just make an entire team of them" and having it work by sheer murder potential
I love your podcasts so much BKC thank you for existing
Hey Kevin, great video! Found it very useful to get to know more about a playstyle I was very unfamiliar with. I usually don’t build much BW but come SPL I always like to give my 2 cents on the BW prep, maybe make a couple teams with my “new gen” player mindset, etc. (Though finch’s been my BW player for 2 years so he doesn’t really need much help to begin with), and I think I’ll give dragmag a try. Speaking of which, what do you think about alakazam as a last poke on a specs/cm lati+scarf chomp framework? I assume it’s worse than reuni in many aspects, but I think it’s got some cool traits as well, namely: Another way of breaking teams via latios weakening ttar or jirachi and zam cleaning up late game; make latios able to run more powerful sets without immediately losing to the likes of scarf keldeo in rain; ability to break through (or at least annoy) those protect spam teams that make it REALLY hard for dragmag to beat them (I know reuni does that as well but y’know, still valuable as a last poke there); being able to survive that one attack no matter how strong it may be (i.e. reuni isn’t eating a +1 dragon gem boosted attack vs opp dragmag, zam is); the always valuable yellow magic, or, depending on calcs I haven’t made, maybe recover? You can come in on stuff like heatran repeatedly that way, or tenta if rain is gone, etc. (you can use signal beam or shadow ball last too ig). Maybe running zam has very evident drawbacks I didn’t notice so I’d appreciate you telling me if that’s the case. Last thing, I really liked zf’s team, that man’s always building the weirdest shit but it somehow (almost) always works.
Good stuff man I love your vids
Idk if someone already pointed this out but gems are banned in OU. Would we just run Lum instead of dragon gem on Dragonite and be fine? Sry if you already answered this
Ik this is nine months old but i asked BKC in his discord a while ago and he said to run choice band with fire punch over dragon dance
Nice video as always
I don't understand why a special wallbreaker like specs Latios would not be advised with physical wallbreakers. Doesn't that compliment them as it can break physical checks like hippowdon and like defensive rotom-w better? Can u explain that further
a physical wall will never stay in on latios. they will switch to their special wall, which doesn't mind going down if it takes latios with it. as a result, the physical wall stopping your physical dragons is still around and healthy. you need to force those physical walls to take your physical hits, which allows you to overwhelm them. if you try to hit them with special moves, they'll just switch.
@@BKCplaysPokemon alright ty for the explanation. Sorry if i didn't understand the rationale at first. Gr8 video!
I know this question isn’t related to the video, but what are your thoughts about the dugtrio/arena trap suspect test in gen 4 ou BKC? I personally am hoping duggy doesn’t get the ban hammer but I can already tell most people are favoring a ban. Poor dugtrio can’t catch a break.
I just hope it won't get banned from 3g OU
Do you think specs dragonite with moves like draco meteor, ice beam, flamethrower, dragon pulse, thunder, surf, hurricane etc would be viable for dragmag? From my experience it works as a less offensive but a tankier rain team latios which ik dragmag isn't supposed to rely on weather but I really like having those kinds of sets for countering politoed
Just a point of curiosity BKC,if Regidrago,as it is with all it’s moves and ability,existed back in Gen 5,do you think it would elevate the consistency of DragMag or it’ld be just another option to the style?
It would totally be broken lmao
That thing with a Specs and Modest nature hits harder with Dragon Energy than a Banded Kyurem Black's Outrage, and even with a Scarf that thing would hit like a truck.
I think it would be EXCELLENT on Dragmag yes
regidrago would be near unwallable in bw especially with zone
Could you please explain why magnezone normally runs max speed in DragMag teams? It seems better on paper to run 144 speed evs to outspeed spdef heatran, and invest remaining evs on bulk in my opinion.
I think its cz of Scarmury but im not sure. I dont remember Scars Speedtier tbh
Donphan can be a good spinner in DragMag I guess
Even i am planing to go for Gen5 OU...
Magnezone after losing HP fire: Why must gamefreak do this to me
This really drags my mag
Ik this is an old video and you prolly won't see this, but what do u think of draco meteor on dd mence. Dragon gem puts draco meteor over the threshhold of ohkoing scarf lando-t, as well as many other counters after rocks or other chip damage such as sandstorm or toxic and if draco meteor fails to ko you can always dragon dance on the switch and outrage. Here the meteors also help jumpstart the moxie snowball effect giving you +2 after a dragon dance.
draco works on any salamence thats one of the reasons why its used over dragonite or garchomp
Suggestion maybe u can put teams in description to experiment with when u talk of team styles like this if it's work don't bother gr8 vid rlly informative when tryna get into old gens u put a lot of effort in them
I remember him saying he doesn’t put teams in descriptions because he already goes over all of it in the video. He doesn’t like that lazy mentality of “gimme gimme. “ He spent over an hour and a half talking about the team and going over various sets and options so that we as viewers can find what we prefer and use that. If you just want a team the smogon forums have plenty and even if you dont want to go that far you can just skip through and look at the first team he made, which is still a usable team. Not trying to be mean just explaining why he doesn’t.
no lie it’s mostly so people actually watch the video instead of just looking into the description for the team
Hey BKC maybe guides on how to play a certain play style? In this vid you explained how to play Dragmag kinda but that for something like ADV would be cool
Is hydreigon always unusable in drag mag or do u think there’s situations in which having a second special attacker/psychic immunity would be beneficial?
the added fighting/dragon weakness isn't worth it. think reuniclus will generally get the job done better
#makebkcasuperstar
Hey BKC, could you possibly do a video about the crown tundra? Like your thoughts on the new pokemon and/or how you feel it'll change the meta? I know SS OU is kinda bleh but I wanna know your thoughts, much love and keep up the good work
Black & white meta game is boring in my opinion kyurem-black now gets icicle Speer
@Samadhan Jain weather got nerf in gen 6 cause it boring in gen 5
I remember that battle with Roar Copycat Riolu that demolish this team so... I prefer the sets with priority.
If you want to deal with rain dish cruel, why not use psychic on jirachi? It’s stab so it’s better than thunderbolt and won’t suffer an accuracy drop in the sun you set with zone. And you can hit a weakened keldeo too.
Hehe dragons go brr
damn does BW still get a lot of play?
Yeah its fairly popular
I love your vids. But I have a question with drag mag. I’ve never played competitively so I don’t know if black kyurem was better than white kyurem can someone explain who was better?
white kyurem is in ubers, so it's not allowed :)
Latios
As yes sun stone garchomp my favorite set
Ooooooh aahhh more mons!
Dragmag is so fun
amazing this is more detailed then half the chess tutorials out there just for one style of play pokemon is just 4D chess
Make BKC a superstar!!!!!
Is scarf Garchomp needed in drag mag or
45:40 Keldeo doesn't get Ice Beam, right?
yeah, I misspoke, supposed to be icy wind
@@BKCplaysPokemon No worries I was confused for a moment :D
More BKC to distract me from gen 8
Yay!!
does watching and understanding this make me a better bw player?
Hey BKC, can you please make a video on why many Physical electric types have suffered over the generations?
I mean most of them had like rly bad movesets. Theres also their stab. The only good stab is with base 90 plus recoil. Thats not a great option. Like every Phy- Electric type is rly slow and there are Earthquakes everywhere.
Thats what I think is the problem
Cool vid
This was inspired by the blunder vid even though it came out before
Is it great to use sub dd roost outrage nite?
no, 100% has to be dragon claw
What item should i put?
leftovers is the only option
Would you happen to have a podcast I could listen to?
I mean his channal is a podcast to be fair
abomasnow dragmag soon
It's funny because now everyone I play against has this team and I demolish them.
I use grass knot on Latios' last slot, it 2HKOs Tyranitar with rocks up on the switch in.
And grtting ride of gastrodon is always nice, gets annoying late game
Is another name for DragMag just UngaBunga?
31:55
WHY DID YOU LOWER HIS HP IV YOU MADMAN
GIVE IT BACK
i know this is a joke but here’s the explanation:
with an odd hp value, four uses of sub from full hp takes you down to 1 hp, which is really bad when the opponent has a priority move like banded scizor bp
meanwhile even hp numbers take you down to 25% hp after 3 subs, which will activate salac berry early, and potentially let you live a priority move
by lowering the hp iv to 30 you get an even number while being able to invest in defense or spdef to survive certain attacks better
bruh
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