Challenge: Solving Your Linux Problems Without The Command Line!

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    ► Chapters:
    00:00 - I asked you to challenge me
    01:13 - Installing Drivers
    02:05 - How to install Windows Programs on Linux
    02:27 - Connecting a Printer
    03:11 - Editing PDF Files
    04:24 - Screensharing on Wayland
    05:30 - Partitioning and Auto Mount Disks
    06:17 - Network Shares and setting Permissions
    08:24 - Remote Desktop
    08:54 - Creating a Bootable Linux & Windows USB Stick
    09:30 - Final words
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    linux challenge, linux without terminal, linux without terminal challenge, linux desktop 2024, linux terminal commands, linux desktop environments, desktop environment, linux,linux distros, linux experiment, linux pdf editor, linux folder permissions, linux directory permissions, linux vs windows, michael horn
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Komentáře • 206

  • @JoeEnderman
    @JoeEnderman Před 5 měsíci +74

    This is what I am saying. Windows users expect a gui to fix things. Linux users always say to these people to rtfm, to use x, y, and z commands, or simply ignore them. None of these are good solutions for people new to PCs of any type.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +20

      I like having options. It doesn't really hurt anyone since they don't have to use it.

    • @askeladden450
      @askeladden450 Před 5 měsíci +11

      Agree. Using cli requires reading a lot of docs and manual. Linux users just struggle to realize that the vast majority if people would rather jump off a cliff than read a manual. I personally find the arch wiki the most amazing piece of online resource, but telling people to 'go read the f*ing manual' is just delusional.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +19

      @@askeladden450 I feel like if you are provided with a GUI, you theoretically shouldn't have the need to ever look up anything.
      Such a design would of course be impossible, but theoretically be the ideal.
      Telling users to look up something because the lack of usability (which the terminal has by design) is not the way yes.
      It's a great tool, but for someone who doesn't know a single command, it's useless

    • @JoeEnderman
      @JoeEnderman Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@MichaelNROH yeah, the help command doesn't tell you how to structure commands or what does what. It just tells you a few pre installed commands.

    • @Linuxspacewizard
      @Linuxspacewizard Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@MichaelNROHI would argue everyone should learn basics for the command line. It’s hugely beneficial.

  • @frankov_83
    @frankov_83 Před 5 měsíci +20

    I just wanted to congratulate you Michael, I've been following your channel for a while now, and it's amazing how much it has improved. Keep up the good work!

  • @Alexander-nd5de
    @Alexander-nd5de Před 5 měsíci +36

    I love the idea of this challenge. it can show the short comings of the visual interfaces (if any), when customizing.
    Personally I like using the 'noob' tools at first before I do a deep dive into the technical side of things.
    I'd like to see this 'challange' taken further tbh. there's lots I love and hate when it comes to doing things in linux.

    • @streambarhoum4464
      @streambarhoum4464 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Now How to solve Linux problems with the command line 😅
      In a coming video... worth it😂

    • @Alexander-nd5de
      @Alexander-nd5de Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@streambarhoum4464 Haha you troll. Thats just linux 😝

  • @akeem2983
    @akeem2983 Před 5 měsíci +16

    I'm not much of a power user and I do majority of my tasks in GUI (though terminal is also something that I often use, most of the time because GNOME Software center works like garbage), I daily drive Fedora with GNOME for a long time now. I still think that windows is somehow more stable experience - on Linux I sometimes encounter weird issues like not being able to wake my PC after sleep. But the overall desktop experience in my opinion more than worth it - powerful shortcuts, less laggy, better implementation of virtual desktops, more possibilities for gaming (I play a lot of Windows indie games and somehow a lot of them work better on Wine than on Windows itself) and it even doesn't try to insert ads to your file manager

    • @Dobaspl
      @Dobaspl Před 5 měsíci +4

      This last thing is why I migrated to the fedora. :D

  • @ecoterrorist1402
    @ecoterrorist1402 Před 5 měsíci +10

    yes, I did indeed learn the admin: gnome thing
    thanks

  • @mk72v2oq
    @mk72v2oq Před 5 měsíci +10

    Yeah, the terminal is the most powerful thing in any OS. I use the command line and scripts heavily even in Windows. There are tons of things you can't do (or better not to do) via GUI.

    • @talkysassis
      @talkysassis Před 4 měsíci +1

      @MichaelDustterIs not essential. A desktop OS without a GUI is a broken OS for today standards

  • @FlameSoulis
    @FlameSoulis Před 5 měsíci +33

    When I was spirtually following Linus's Linux challenge, I was using XUbuntu and added the challenge to not use the command line. I was able to install Steam, Chrome, and a few others simply by following the same logic you would on Windows, namely visiting the site and downloading the 'installer,' which was just a repo file. Honestly, desktop Linux has made some strong advancements over time, and even my own mother has gotten things done with zero command line or expert level skills.

    • @aqua-bery
      @aqua-bery Před 4 měsíci +1

      You should use discover for your apps though. That way you get updates automatically

  • @roracle
    @roracle Před 5 měsíci +8

    Having used Linux since 98 or 99, i have to say i do not take any of these tools for granted.
    I use Gnome because of the feature set, and it's to the point of what you're doing with your computer.
    I'm glad they focus on usability over theming, because at the end of the day i have things to do. Gnome helps me do those things be it printing and scanning, virtual desktops, screen sharing, or just working in applications. It has what i need and it gets out of my way.

    • @cbtillery135
      @cbtillery135 Před 5 měsíci

      ebussy and the rest of the IBM/redhat Marxists are cutting features out of Gnome simply because they don't have a use case for them. For example: Does m3u playlist support sound important for a media player? The gnome maintainers don't think so. Emmanuel Bassi, the head maintainer (ebussy) said that if he were a benevolent dictator over the Gnome project, he would make it closed source and put a fake bug tracker up like Apple.

  • @iodreamify
    @iodreamify Před 5 měsíci +5

    Thank you. We need a lot more videos like this.

  • @dritterregenschirm2324
    @dritterregenschirm2324 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Ventoy is imo the most practical tools for creating a bootable drive, it‘s just drag and drop

  • @Prophet6000
    @Prophet6000 Před 5 měsíci +6

    This was a great video. Linux needs more of this type of stuff.

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper Před 5 měsíci +6

    Usually editing a PDF means adding your hand written signature in some way, usually documents related to work or government requires this a bit silly step.
    But yeah, I find doing file permissions in the GUI very annoying, so I usually right click in the folder I want to do it in, and click "Open terminal here" or something that effect.
    Then do chown or chmod pending on what I want to achieve, or chattr which isn't in the GUI options for KDE at least.
    Latter is a great tool to tell Todd Howard you do not want his paid mods Skyrim updates :P

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      Permissiona are something more advanced anyway I think and the terminal way would give you more control right away. The GUI version is just useful if you rarely do it and would have to look the command up.

  • @ordinaryhuman5645
    @ordinaryhuman5645 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Printer stuff is one thing that has definitely been easier on Linux than Windows, and no special driver CDs needed either.

    • @cbtillery135
      @cbtillery135 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Except for Canon printers. Those are cock and ball torture.

    • @fabriziot1467
      @fabriziot1467 Před 5 měsíci

      @@cbtillery135 😅😂

    • @ordinaryhuman5645
      @ordinaryhuman5645 Před 5 měsíci

      @@cbtillery135Nah, I have a cheap Canon Pixma that I bought on clearance at Walmart for like $20.
      On Windows, I had to pop in the CD to install drivers and some software for the scanner.
      On Linux, I plugged it in and the driver setup happened within a second or two, and Fedora had a Document Scanner app installed already that worked fine.

  • @FengLengshun
    @FengLengshun Před 5 měsíci +4

    I personally just use MasterPDF 4 for editing pdf files. So much great features for free that they block most of them in the free edition of MasterPDF 5. I just have both 5 and 4 installed - 5 through Flatpak, 4 through AUR in a container.

  • @urcock
    @urcock Před 5 měsíci +4

    Этот видос с микро фактами и подсказками, которые я не знал, съэкономил мне кучу нервов. _Спасибо за такой годный контент по линуксу!_
    Жалко только не упомянул kde connect удобная ведь вещь

  • @somethingelse401
    @somethingelse401 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This Video needs more Shares!

  • @cicada-ft6eb
    @cicada-ft6eb Před 5 měsíci +6

    This guy is amazing

  • @KolbyML
    @KolbyML Před 4 měsíci +1

    This video is insane! I thought I could only do most of this stuff in the terminal xD. I will probably continue using it, but this is awesome for adoption!!!

  • @trickeywun
    @trickeywun Před 5 měsíci +1

    Top notch info for people who are wary of the command line.

  • @pip5528
    @pip5528 Před 12 hodinami

    I use the terminal a lot but I do love that these tools exist.

  • @RileyMeta
    @RileyMeta Před 4 měsíci +1

    Inside the Gnome Disk Utility, top right the little hamburger menu drop down. If you choose restore disk image you can burn both ISO and IMG files to a USB.

  • @bedan.
    @bedan. Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love your vids.. much love from kenya ❤❤

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu Před 5 měsíci +20

    The fact that this is a "challenge" should tell you the Linux desktop has a long way to go still. The number of Linux desktops you can actually get away without using the terminal are very, very few in number. Even with the best of the best you will still need to use the terminal if you ever have an issue.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick Před 5 měsíci +4

      Wait until you find out that it is necessary to use the command prompt to fix issues in Windows. Take a CompTIA A+ course.

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@mmstick Weird. I ran a computer repair shop for over 15 years and rarely had to open a command prompt.

    • @FotisValasiadis
      @FotisValasiadis Před 5 měsíci +3

      That's to be expected though?
      Making an accessible easy to use desktop environment ain't child's play, it requires tons of resources and development effort, it makes perfect sense that you can count with one hand the DEs that provide this functionality, as most DEs are open source projects and heavily rely on volunteers to improve em.
      Having an open source project with enough volunteers & funding to provide such an experience is a rarity, and even though I like the diversity, it's hard to compete with gnome and kde as an open source DE with a considerable less amount of developers.
      This isn't a limitation though by any means, it's just the way it is, it's still amazing that you have three or four options of desktops providing such a user friendly experience.
      Finally, it's not a "challenge" in the way you think it is, it's only a challenge because most users have grown to associate a computer with windows and windows' desktop, and this video is an attempt to prove that linux ain't just for developers anymore.
      I can confidently say that if I had an individual which never came to interact with anything other than Gnome and I then threw him at a windows PC, he would find it challenging to use just the same.
      This individual exists, it's my younger brother with his first & last experience of what consists of a "desktop pc" being KDE plasma.

    • @FahimHoq
      @FahimHoq Před 5 měsíci +4

      This is a very bad take. The fact that he was successfully able to complete the challenge shows that Linux has indeed come a long way. Also all these can be done on most mainstream distros. Finally, even on Windows, there are times when the command line or using the registry is required.

    • @FahimHoq
      @FahimHoq Před 5 měsíci +3

      @MichaelDustter exactly lots of Windows fanboys make it seem like it is a sin to use the terminal. In fact, learning it is such a useful tool as it helps do things very efficiently.

  • @soulstenance
    @soulstenance Před 5 měsíci +4

    Very interesting! Most of this wasn't news to me but it was cool to see. Regarding printing, I would definitely say your mileage may vary depending on the brand and model of printer you have. For example, on my Brother MFC, I have yet to get wireless printing working reliably, even on a pretty user friendly distro like Linux Mint. It seems to work at random when it feels like it but when I actually want to print something, it hangs. USB printing is perfect but I can't exactly pick up my desktop and move it every time I want to print something haha.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +3

      I was looking into some printer problems for this video and it seems that it's very often a wrong driver or poor performance on the printer's part.
      Sometimes it's a combination of both, whereas a proper driver is available in the database that doesn't work as good as a generic one, which might have been used on Windows

    • @soulstenance
      @soulstenance Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH For me, when I choose the driver manually, my exact model number is not listed. So you're absolutely right that this is a driver/printer issue and not a Linux issue. Oddly USB printing works fine (on Mint at least) so it's only the wireless printing that's problematic, in my case at least.

  • @youssefamr7492
    @youssefamr7492 Před 4 měsíci +1

    thanks alot for this video, it helped alot

  • @vishaldinesh
    @vishaldinesh Před 5 měsíci +2

    Amazing video Michael 👏

  • @mjdxp5688
    @mjdxp5688 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Sure, you don't HAVE to use the terminal, but it's typically way easier and faster to use it once you've learned it (which really isn't as hard as everyone thinks).

    • @mjdxp5688
      @mjdxp5688 Před 5 měsíci

      @@dreaper5813 SSH is the best thing ever honestly. I use it all the time

    • @RedSaint83
      @RedSaint83 Před 5 měsíci

      I hear that it's not hard to learn, and sure I can ls, mkdir, rm and all that, but learning how to do everything else? Is there a course to take?

    • @mjdxp5688
      @mjdxp5688 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@RedSaint83 I'm sure there are if you look them up, and there are plenty of CZcams videos explaining how the terminal works. In my experience, once you've learned all the file management commands (ls, cd, pwd, touch, mkdir, rm, cat, and others) as well as how to update, install, and search for packages using your distro's package manager, you should be fairly good with the terminal and you'll most likely learn other commands pretty quickly.

  • @pipeliner8969
    @pipeliner8969 Před 5 měsíci +2

    great video!

  • @marcusfleuti2672
    @marcusfleuti2672 Před 5 měsíci +3

    In newest Linux Mint 21.3 you can simply right click on an ISO and there's an option to create a bootable USB.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Oh, that's cool

    • @marcusfleuti2672
      @marcusfleuti2672 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH Getting better by the month. I'm an absulte fan of Mint/Cinnamon. Like Windows but much better in almost every aspect. I feel I'm like 30% more productive with Mint than with Windows. Lots of automation possible which you simply cannot do with Windows. Especiall when you start working with the tool "Actiona". I automated tons of routines and bound them to simple keyboard shortcuts with the builtin keyboard mapping function. That would be worth a video for ya ;) You create an action script with actiona, save that into an .ascr file, then you create a new starter (e.g. in the main menu) and simply call your script with "actexec /path-to-actionscript.ascr". Or you open up the keyboard system settings, go to "keyboard shortcuts" and create a shortcut that calls the .ascr file. You can do EVERYTHING with actiona. For example select a window from a certain app with a certain name, search for an image on that application - when found, click the image, then fill out a form, send an e-mail for confirmation or trigger a notification on success/error. Perhaps you already have a video about it. I don't know. But if not, it's worth one ;)

  • @rjawiygvozd
    @rjawiygvozd Před 5 měsíci +1

    cool stuff. I was still editing fstab on fedora the same way I learned it on slackware many years ago, now I may actually stop

  • @PremierPrep
    @PremierPrep Před 5 měsíci +2

    In my experience with mounting SMB shares, SMB4K is a much better experience. The file browser options often mount too deep into the file system and have varying permissions and experiences in various applications. SMB4K mounts into your home directory and everything acts like it's on a native drive.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's also an interesting one yes.
      Gnome uses GVFS, which could also do that if it is setup that way, though I don't think it supports "drive-mounting".

    • @PremierPrep
      @PremierPrep Před 5 měsíci

      @MichaelNROH Yeah, I'm definitely a Plasma guy, but maybe I'll give that a shot in Gnome sometime

  • @Blueye555
    @Blueye555 Před 4 měsíci

    God jsus! Editing PDF files with Firefox would have never come to my mind! This is so great!
    I can't count how many times I was researching for a good PDF editor on Linux and trying out various "not so great" programs... Firefox just works! Thx man!

  • @BurzowySzczurek
    @BurzowySzczurek Před 5 měsíci +2

    So I just tried and I can make directories in elevated places with admin mode on dolphin. (I'm on Nobara 39 with kde plasma (it's a fedora fork for gaming)). So I guess it depends on the environment.

  • @sherrilltechnology
    @sherrilltechnology Před 5 měsíci +1

    Linux is awesome thanks so much Michael!!

  • @jani3253
    @jani3253 Před 5 měsíci +2

    You are very important for linux.

  • @jimmyking92
    @jimmyking92 Před 5 měsíci +1

    On my Thinkpad T450, which is currently my main PC, I can do everything I need without typing a single command on terminal (Linux Mint Cinnamon). Now if I was to build a new desktop with Nvidia graphics I can't be so sure I can do it without touching the terminal. On older systems it's really easy.

  • @Mantikal
    @Mantikal Před 5 měsíci

    As a word of caution - You know in MS Windows (with its graphic interface) there's this section hiding in the background called "Administrative Tools"and from there you'll chose "Services" to turn on and off various services and apps from the background? Well, Linux has a similar section in the background - except this version of "services" is accessed through the terminal. For most of the newer Linux distros "Administrative Tools" is called "Systemd" and you access "services" with the command "systmctl"
    You may have the weird problem of going through all the right moves of installing a service or an app on a particular version of Linux - and then for some strange reason, you can't find it in your apps menu - or you can find it but when you click on it - nothing happens! - Like when you go to print to paper something and you can't find your physical printer as a choice. Chances are that its service is switched off in the background. Some Linux distros will just let anything you install be switched on by default - others won't. So, watch some videos on how to work with the "sysmctl" command and "Systemd." to get around those weird surprises.

  • @jameslewis2635
    @jameslewis2635 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I started daily driving OpenSuse Tumbleweed a few months ago. While I can do most tasks while avoiding the command line, I still have to use it for doing updates. That seems to be the last gap in the user experience. And for some reason using the 'zypper update' command seems to result in not being able to boot but the 'zypper dup' command seems reliable so far. This leaves me wondering if it is the case that you should always use 'dup' then what is the point of the 'update' command?

  • @Akaterial
    @Akaterial Před 5 měsíci

    One of the most frustrating things for me when I switched to Linux was setting up Hibernate on my laptop. IMO that is basic functionality for a laptop computer. Yet it is a complex process for a new user to set up. I don't know of any UI that simplifies it.

  • @LumpyMoose
    @LumpyMoose Před 5 měsíci +1

    You are slightly wrong. In every distro that has detected a software update problem through their software manager, they always direct you to the terminal to fix it. Although this begs the question, if the software manager is affected by a known problem why doesn’t it just fix the issue rather than asking the user to go to the terminal to fix it. It appears impossible on most distros to fix an update issue without involving the terminal.

  • @suscactus420
    @suscactus420 Před 5 měsíci +5

    the issue it never works well... just a few notes:
    - wayland nvidia 20 series cards - lots of bugs still even with most patches applied. can't have both intel igpu and nvidia dedi gpu working well, with external monitors and different refresh rates working well
    - discord screen sharing will work, but it going to be limited, and you don't have access to 1080p60 or higher
    - returning from suspend has lots of issues
    - various performance/stability issues depending on the distribution; fedora is the more stable one of the bunch but without heavy I/O & CPU scheduler tweaks, you will have stutters, freezes and unreliable desktop performance under heavy/max load, especially on a SATA ssd
    these kinds of fundamental issues, especially the latter, make Linux a pain to use as a reliable desktop workstation machine...

    • @cameronbosch1213
      @cameronbosch1213 Před 5 měsíci

      Have you tried with the newest 545 propietary drivers?

    • @suscactus420
      @suscactus420 Před 5 měsíci

      @@cameronbosch1213 yes I tried those since they should have a lot of fixes. also applied pretty much all patches and tweaks out there to make them work, but they still had flicker issues and other graphical glitches, even on nobara. the external monitor + igpu combo is still an open bug that has not been fixed

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Mh, I don't know about NVIDIA since their drivers performance varies a lot, but I can't speak for the rest.
      Especially for the System tweaks, as Linux tends to perform better than Windows under load. Copying a lot of files while video editing, browsing or even slight gaming has been a way more seemingless experience

    • @suscactus420
      @suscactus420 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@MichaelNROH I would really like to believe in that, and I thought it was like that until I looked into it, and the consensus is that it doesn't for desktop. only with kernel 6.7.0 it starts looking a bit into the direction of desktop-oriented schedulers, as until now it essentially prioritized throughput. projects like cachyOS have been created in an attempt to fix this fundamental flaw. after recently discussing with some users on their discord, it perplexed me that it is a commonly accepted thing that on linux desktop, when something freezes your computer, you restart your computer, losing your work. if your DE freezes, you may be able to jump into a different TTE and restart part of your DE, although in my experience over the years this has never worked. also on wayland you cannot properly restart a DE/wayland itself, as that also kills all processes. on windows you will always be able to CTRL+ALT+DEL, bring up the task manager and kill the faulty process(es).

    • @tablettablete186
      @tablettablete186 Před 5 měsíci

      What about changing fan speeds on NVIDIA GPUs?
      This is a top feature for me and I never found a working solution

  • @KangJangkrik
    @KangJangkrik Před 5 měsíci +1

    GUI is easy for user, but too challenging for most developers. In CLI, giving output is easy as calling printf, whereas GUI requires several libraries like wayland-client, GTK, and more. The most important thing is: most Linux users are developers :)

  • @synosahil
    @synosahil Před 5 měsíci +2

    perfectly explained

  • @stufflike5844
    @stufflike5844 Před 5 měsíci

    I use my PC mainly for content consumption and gaming and although the games that support Linux are growing in number I just can't switch at the moment because of those anti cheat issues in some games. If they manage to fix that somehow then I will probably switch since Windows drives me crazy sometimes when an update breaks something

  • @nebulous962
    @nebulous962 Před 5 měsíci +1

    also when installing drivers for nvdia you might need to enter recovery mode or what ever it was called if you only get like black screen when you boot and once you have entered that recovery mode then you can just install the drivers as you would normally.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +2

      I encountered this once, when the more recent driver from their Website somehow managed to screw up disabling the open source Noveau one.
      I haven't experienced or seen many issues related to the one in each Distro's repository, though it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

    • @nebulous962
      @nebulous962 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH yeah it's not that common unless you like run freshly launched nvdia GPU and it wouldn't surprise me if many hardcore gamers would do that.

  • @alexstone691
    @alexstone691 Před 5 měsíci +5

    On windows printers have their own terrible software that always run in background and i hate it so much

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      I agree. For consumer products it's really getting annoying if you can't find a driver without some weird software

    • @systembreaker4651
      @systembreaker4651 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@MichaelNROHhi how are you please can you help us to fix screen tearing with Nvidia gpu and kde

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      @@systembreaker4651 Use Wayland and deactivate "Allow Tearing" in the Compositor settings.
      Though generally speaking, this setting should only affect Fullscreen applications anyway. Maybe NVIDIA messes something up there.
      The default setting nowadays is also to force smoothest animations which also prevents a bug that introduces unwanted Tearing and lagginess

    • @systembreaker4651
      @systembreaker4651 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH how can i do that

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@systembreaker4651Wayland should be set as the default already, but you can check that when logging into your account.
      On the login screen, somewhere in the left or right down border, it should say "Plasma Wayland Session" or something similar.
      The rest can be found in the System Settings when you search for Compositor.

  • @xard64
    @xard64 Před 5 měsíci

    While we are not fully there yet I think the trend is is moving towards macOS like environment where the command line can be used like in Linux but it's really not required for the 99.99% of tasks.
    A slight downside of this is that eventually (like in macOS) the usability of applications from command line will take a hit in the long run. Flatpaks are a good example of this: using a flatpak application which requires command line arguments is tedious and cumbersome compared to regularly installed applications.
    However as Linux is used widely in server environments where working from a command line is a practically mandatory in complex low level environments (and will always be), the developers still have to pay attention to the application command line usage ergonomics.

  • @umka7536
    @umka7536 Před 5 měsíci +5

    For me the whole reason of migration to Linux was its command line, its tools and the power of them. This is the reason why I moved from Windows to Linux and stay with Linux for over 6 years. And I don't want to go back to Windows. Command line is the Linux! GUI is just an option.

  • @Craftidore
    @Craftidore Před 5 měsíci

    The thing about the command line that people don't seem to realize is that its incredibly consistent. If you need to do a thing on KDE, you need to know one set of menus. If you need to do the same thing on Gnome, you need to know a different set of menus. By giving the solution in the form of a few commands to execute, it no longer matters what DE you're using, and usually doesn't matter what distro you're using either. It provides a portability in tech-help not found when trying to explain what buttons to press on a GUI.

    • @albatross7
      @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci

      What Linux heads can’t comprehend is people don’t care about terminal, xorg, wayland, KDE, Gnome, XFCE and thousands of other jargons. Normal people want a consistent OS, and there is no such thing as THE Linux OS.

    • @albatross7
      @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci

      @dreaper5813 touch grass

    • @albatross7
      @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci

      @dreaper5813 type that again but this time in the terminal

  • @sersys1
    @sersys1 Před 4 měsíci

    The one critical feature I miss on linux is explorer's ability to group and sort files at the same time. I usually download everything into the downloads folder and it gets messy very fast. I set the folder to group by file type and sort the group elements by date modified and everything is neat and organized with just one setting. I couldn't find this feature in any linux file manager.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 4 měsíci

      Which file manager do you use otherwise? I have never heard of a feature like this

    • @sersys1
      @sersys1 Před 4 měsíci

      Only Window's explorer has this feature as far as I know. I literally tried everything available on linux and the only file manager that has this function is a terminal app, but being text based it has no previews for files like pictures and videos and documents... Right now I'm using KDE's Dolphin.@@MichaelNROH

  • @CapCreeperGR_Main
    @CapCreeperGR_Main Před měsícem +1

    The problem most of the time isn't that you can't do things without a command line. It's tutorials and guides purposely using the command line to make the tutorial universal and work on all distros. Even something simple as making a directory is different on a distribution using gnome and on a distribution using plasma

  • @GiulianoMazzina
    @GiulianoMazzina Před 5 měsíci

    I know you can do most things in menus and settings windows. But the CLI is just so much faster.

  • @ismatovsanjarbek
    @ismatovsanjarbek Před 5 měsíci

    I wanted to use linux, but in every distro, I saw a problem with wifi. Driver is available, but kernel comes broken driver for rtw88 adapter, I installed other driver manually, but I was hard at first, I spent much time. Gnome still doesn't support correct fractional scaling, as I'm a front end developer, I really need true scaling

  • @Bob-of-Zoid
    @Bob-of-Zoid Před 5 měsíci

    Well, it's unavoidable in some cases, especially trouble shooting, but I use Arch with KDE Plasma, and hardly ever have to.

  • @normanhunter7
    @normanhunter7 Před 5 měsíci

    When I installed Mint XFCE it automatically found and installed the drivers for my wireless printer, unheard of on windoze😂

  • @newplayer7743
    @newplayer7743 Před 5 měsíci

    I used to be a GUI guy before. It took me a year, but now I happy to just use tty when do non graphical works. All my tools now are TUI, or simply CLI. Except browser and other graphical things of course.
    Dont u know mpv just fine in tty? Yea, i dont use graphical env lately, since i only watch movies when use computer, and mpv work on tty, why bother run X11? Not mention i use heavily customized ranger to explore file.

  • @dieklaue1
    @dieklaue1 Před 5 měsíci

    On current Fedora, with Nvidia drivers, the drivers couldn't be loaded after installing them. It was a problem with Secure Boot. In general I think Secure Boot is a good technology. I know it's (or was?) controversial, but it helps against attacking the bootloader, right? Like, someone has physical access to the bootloader, and replaces it with a malicious bootloader. All kinds of bad things could happen.. reading your hard drive encryption password, for example, with a keylogger. I'm no expert in this, but it seems Secure Boot has its purpose.
    TLDR: I needed to deactivate secure boot for Linux (I think it's still enabled for Windows), which is not optimal. I'm no expert, and everything I said might contain half-knowledge and inaccurracies =).
    In a past Fedora installation, I used to get nvidia drivers to run with Secure Boot enabled. Lots of command line usage necessary, but I think there are GUI developments for making this thing easier (but not ready yet?). This time I didn't get it to run, no idea why. In the end, the nvidia kernel module couldn't be loaded, and I gave up, and disabled secure boot.
    No super great experience. Complicated problem I guess, too.

  • @Zenji135
    @Zenji135 Před 5 měsíci +2

    what distro do you use? pls respond!!!

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +3

      This is Fedora, though I typically use Debian 12

    • @Zenji135
      @Zenji135 Před 5 měsíci +1

      thank you so much!@@MichaelNROH

  • @MagikGimp
    @MagikGimp Před 5 měsíci

    The idea that for some reason this is considered requiring special attention.
    Also, "setting up printers is easier than on Windows".

  • @guilherme5094
    @guilherme5094 Před 5 měsíci +1

    👍

  • @haseebabid9610
    @haseebabid9610 Před 5 měsíci +1

    You corrected the Dislike spelling in the outro. About time 😄.

  • @user-jf4ux7jz3i
    @user-jf4ux7jz3i Před 4 měsíci

    Good day to everyone! Which linux distro is he using in the video? Is it Fedora 40 with Gnome 46?

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 4 měsíci

      Fedora 40 is not released yet. It's Fedora 39 since it comes with Gnome 45 and I needed it for a couple other videos

  • @vaisakhkm783
    @vaisakhkm783 Před 5 měsíci

    It's astonishing how far the desktops came...
    😕but i am *afraid* this makes true power of linux, the command line less of a focus for developers... it's already pretty hard to have a headless version for many big applications, hence making it interoperable much difficult.. putting unix philosophy in dust and having to do a lot of duplicated work for each application.
    we can make a text editor for each desktop, it's not that much effort, but what about video editor if there were no ffmpeg.... rewriting full video editor with custom renderers going to be challenging which even more reduce the choice and customization options(how much customization a single app can support)
    I am taking from a app developer's perspective here... i am not gate keeping and saying we shouldn't make nice gui apps (in fact last few apps i were making fully gui even though cli was much easier...)

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +3

      Honestly I don't think that this is ever going to happen, as on Linux most Desktop Applications are just a Frontend to a Backend, which is still completely accessible in the terminal.
      Graphics for headless stuff is the exception, since it includes, well graphics.
      I don't think it's in the interest of developers to neglect developing a proper cli application, since it can help themselves debugging, or pull ahead of other Operating Systems that use a worse shell.

  • @pstrizle9000
    @pstrizle9000 Před 5 měsíci

    i thought i was gonna actually see a wifi get working without the command line if the OS didnt detect it outright without the "install extra drivers button' on a ubuntu distro installer app UI or using the driver manager app that linux mint has.. or without using any sort of distro exclusive but rather global tool.. or i'll even take a command line solution if its not a massive TLDR wall of text like every wifi fix guide ever.

  • @berezki_plakali
    @berezki_plakali Před 5 měsíci

    Wait why XWaylandBridge draws this line on top left corner? It irritates me a lot.

  • @DanielClear2
    @DanielClear2 Před 5 měsíci

    I think the premise is wrong here.
    You need the terminal in certain trivial tasks, which usually requires more than just creating a directory. Here's an example:
    On Linux, most Realtek/Intel audio drivers go to suspend mode after 6 seconds for no reason. This creates loud popping noises and playback delays/fade ins. This is still not fixed after 20 years.
    You have to either manually edit Realtek/Intel driver configs or edit PipeWire/WirePlumber/PulseAudio/ALSA settings. This config's location is different on many distros, and not many are configured the same way. Most end-users don't even know what sound interface they're using. Try fixing this without the terminal.

    • @RedSaint83
      @RedSaint83 Před 5 měsíci

      I can't say I've had this Realtek issue. Linux is pretty bad at detecting multiple audio outputs though. But tbh, audio used to be worse 20+ years ago. Not that much has improved, things have moved pretty slow until recently.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      Never heard of an issue like this before. Seems pretty rare or only applying to a select group of specifc chips.
      Anyway, there are GUI applications for editing Audio solutions on Linux, and config files can be edited via the GUI anyway. You wouldn't need the CLI for that

    • @DanielClear2
      @DanielClear2 Před 5 měsíci +1

      > Anyway, there are GUI applications for editing Audio solutions
      No GUI can disable audio sinking/suspending as of today. Even if it did, for which interface?
      > Also, Realtek is trash in general. I try to avoid it.
      You don't get to avoid Realtek. Literally every PC motherboard uses Realtek.
      > Sorry. I use Intel on many computers and I don't have this issue with Linux. Seems hogwash.
      Ah yes, classic Reddit-Linux user. "I don't have the issue. You're the problem. Let me call you words." You're definitely helping people get to use Linux. It's not an Intel issue. Linux drivers call Realtek drivers intel_hda_audio, even on AMD. It's Linux's fault.
      Even then, this is one example. There are many hardware related things like this. *You* don't have it. People do. You can just type "speakers popping linux" to Google and find many people with the same issue as me. Your speakers/headphones might not be prone to these electrical pops so you might not hear it, but a lot of them do.
      This also happens with my HyperX Cloud 2, and I'm also not the only one with the issue. On Windows, it just pops a couple of times while booting. On Linux, the bootup sequence constanly does this, and if you don't disable sinking properly, it happens on every audio device that's prone to popping.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      @@DanielClear2 softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/77416/graphical-audio-routing-for-pulseaudio-qjackctl-equivalent

  • @foxonboard1
    @foxonboard1 Před 4 měsíci

    You can even boot ISOs with grub2 without the command line 😉 no sticks required

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 4 měsíci

      Well you still need a drive that is not your main one, as it would reformat it

  • @the100ways6
    @the100ways6 Před 4 měsíci

    Gnome? I thought you changed to kde?

  • @wikwayer
    @wikwayer Před 5 měsíci

    how about 3erd party codec ?

  • @10624
    @10624 Před 5 měsíci

    Wallpaper's link please

  • @wilwe_2
    @wilwe_2 Před 5 měsíci

    you can create bootable drive with gnome disk

  • @PixelHamster
    @PixelHamster Před 5 měsíci

    So still no eID signing on linux via gui ? You say its hard to setup without going into more detail so that's what I assume. And paid closed source tools are not a solution lol, I'm better of printing physically signing and scanning then which is a waste of my time, ink and paper.

  • @sale666
    @sale666 Před 5 měsíci

    You attempted Nobara installation of nvidia 2070 super drivers even with terminal it kept hanging... switched to ubuntu graphical glitches and issues with drivers... also steam would not work and some random GTK errors (keep in mind this are all fresh installs)... So sofisticated... Its like 15 years ago still buggy and no where near ready for a "regular user"... All it is its a giant web browser without high level of knowledge of linux! How do I know? give it to your dad tell him to do simple tasks.. aaaanddddd it fails...

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      You know that has actually happened and both him and my brother had no issues using it. And we are talking Gnome here, without a Taskbar even.

  • @iron-man1
    @iron-man1 Před 5 měsíci

    Now I'm scared of you I mean how I never know a simple Nautilus feature admin: 😢😢😢 I'm no more a power user

  • @mrbaba4355
    @mrbaba4355 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Cosmic is coming

  • @AndersHass
    @AndersHass Před 5 měsíci +1

    Flipping the script with doing the same but using the command line on Windows, lol

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Possible, especially with Powershell, but no thank you. The Syntax and commands can get very complicated and not well documented really fast

    • @AndersHass
      @AndersHass Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH also not really something that will be actual useful to people where this video actually is useful to people. But I would find it funny to see the shitshow it will be on Windows lol

  • @jdib
    @jdib Před 5 měsíci

    Great video! But I don’t know if you can say printing is “way easier than windows” when windows has worked the exact same way for the better part of a decade. More broadly speaking, having an adversarial stance against Windows won’t encourage windows users to try desktop Linux.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      Windows has become better since they now often include drivers in their Updates Repos.
      However, just about 2 years ago, it still was a bit funky, whereas the Windows driver could print but not scan, then you needed to download a Scanner app which somehow pulled another driver which only worked for scanning.
      So now there was a printer entry and a scanner entry.
      This seems to have happened on a lot of Canon printers, but it seems fixed now. Still, Printer sellers still include a CD or download of a proprietary program in order for it to work, which sometimes can't get pulled from Windows Update.

  • @TheNightTerr0r_0
    @TheNightTerr0r_0 Před 5 měsíci

    Mission: impossible

  • @melaniezette886
    @melaniezette886 Před 5 měsíci

    Brother printers are linux friendly

  • @a-lien
    @a-lien Před 5 měsíci

    Doublepoint

  • @aqua-bery
    @aqua-bery Před 4 měsíci

    My first idea is to just write a .sh script and run it without a terminal gui lol

  • @systembreaker4651
    @systembreaker4651 Před 5 měsíci

    You didn't use debian any more??

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +4

      Debian would have been an unfair competition as it might lack behind in features. If I say that something isn't possible on Linux, while it could be, then it would be untruthful, especially since the video focuses on mainstream distros

    • @systembreaker4651
      @systembreaker4651 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH ok what about screen tearing sir with Nvidia and kde environment

    • @asunavk69
      @asunavk69 Před 5 měsíci

      @@systembreaker4651 What about it? Sometimes it can be due to fail during install or something not right, screen tearing ain't thaaat usual, i experience it sometimes not every time.

    • @RedSaint83
      @RedSaint83 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH MX Linux has some neat GUI tools, a control centre and everything. It's based on AntiX which is in turn based on Debian. Best experience I've had with a Linux distro in a long time, perhaps because it doesn't use SystemD, but SysVinit.

  • @phenixnunlee372
    @phenixnunlee372 Před 5 měsíci

    Bro who is trying to install Nvidia driver by hand it brutal. Have done it but the worst.

  • @KS-ep9rx
    @KS-ep9rx Před 5 měsíci

    Bruh u got most impossible challange to do.
    I started to use linux while u have bad experience with desktop and i just dont know how its possible to use it withount cli

  • @agentm10
    @agentm10 Před 5 měsíci

    Next challenge should be "Learn how to pronounce GNOME"

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci

      www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/66bqxa/why_gnome_is_pronounced_guhnome/

    • @agentm10
      @agentm10 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MichaelNROH that is my point. Never heard your "hard G" my friend.

  • @Nom3x
    @Nom3x Před 5 měsíci

    Can't run my favorite game on linux

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Which is?
      Mine is probably Destiny 2, but yeah I can't play it currently without trouble

    • @RedSaint83
      @RedSaint83 Před 5 měsíci

      Anticheat software is the worst. Pretty hard to emulate all of windows just to run a game

  • @thiagos77
    @thiagos77 Před 4 měsíci

    I don't understand the point where openSUSE is considered user friendly and Debian is not.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 3 měsíci

      It's about the installation experience mostly. After that it's similar, with the main difference being application accessibility (via Flatpak, Repos, etc.)

  • @albatross7
    @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Stop painting a false picture that you can use Linux without having to resort to terminal with the first hour itself. Stop cherry-picking. You showed example of fedora for driver installation because it was convenient? Why not you start with Ubuntu and tell how to install all the drivers for your peripheral without having to open terminal or running commands.

    • @albatross7
      @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @dreaper5813 How’s that less than uni digit desktop market share working for you command line basement dwellers?

    • @albatross7
      @albatross7 Před 5 měsíci

      @dreaper5813 More people like your fellow command line basement dwellers in your bubble? Windows and macOS have already won while Linux is still struggling with getting out of tty and terminal. It’s not 1960s anymore, the future is now old man. 👴

  • @Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT
    @Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT Před 5 měsíci +4

    the terminal is much easier in most cases tbh

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  Před 5 měsíci +3

      If you know what you are doing or for only a couple of commands, generally yes.
      It becomes complicated once you start getting into permissions, or executing stuff with sudo. Searching for a command every single time you need it can be annoying if you don't want to deal with it and executing random stuff could brick your system.
      Though I gotta say that bash is way easier than CMD or Powerhell anyway. Oh yeah, and cross Distro and Desktop Environment compatibility is more likely ensured

  • @shanent5793
    @shanent5793 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This video only proves that the GUI tools aren't good enough. The video is the script and the user becomes the interpreter. The procedure has to be documented somehow, and a standardized language like sh is more reliable than arbitrary verbal and graphical instructions that can be misunderstood. Command lines should be part of basic computer literacy; we don't tell kids that they don't need to read English because they would rather finger paint instead

  • @Yadlina
    @Yadlina Před 5 měsíci +4

    Solving Your Linux Problems Without The Command Line or How to be an Idiot on Linux.