Windows is Killing Terrible RGB Software
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2024
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the gigabyte software is actually such a gigantic security flaw that it is wild that windows even lets you install it. a kernel mode driver that grants unrestricted access to a low level bus without any level of verification or signing.
The thermaltake it’s WORSE, it uses a scheduled task that runs with full admin access to initiate itself and it caused me multiple BSOD
@@VioFax no fr, the scheduled task apart from initiate the program with full permissions 💀, it checks for file integrity, and there was a DLL file that was in essence a version of HWInfo’s engine ( I assume it was usted to show the thermals). After doing some research, I found that the DLL caused the BSOD because it conflicts with Corsair Software, it seems it was patched but TT never updated it. Anyways every time I deleted the DLL it re-appeared up because of the scheduled task up until I uninstalled the TT software.
I agree. It's even bad that on my Gigabyte Z270 mainboard I have in my main PC, Gigabyte's own software even tried to force an upgrade of the installed RGB Fusion version to a version incompatible with the board, while also trying to forcefully install Gigabyte bloatware I don't want! I pretty much uninstalled all of their software. To be fair, I originally wanted an ASUS ProArt mainboard but, due to budget issues, I ended up buying a used Gigabyte mainboard bundle from someone on my local online classifieds.
@@VioFax I'm sure the "ex" Intelligence agents that work in leadership positions at these corporations would never do anything like that.
This would have been more secure in the 80s! ;) No-one would have dreamed of making a lighting bus which could mess with anything without CPU help.
Couldn’t help but notice that Corsair wasn’t on that list of manufacturers….
Of course they aren't
Fr
Gigabyte with RGB fusion too... 😢
@@GamingTales1 RGB Fusion has to be one of the worst RGB Software that exists.
Very annoying to see that
RGB Fusion is hilariously bad even for RGB software. This would be a nice solution
open rgb is amazing. Having built in rgb control in windows would be pretty cool though
Man I miss RBG. She was the GOAT.
Well this will hopefully standardize the RGB protocol such that openRGB can piggyback that to work just the same
Damn, Daniel. Thanks for the tip. I'm recently using some RGB and I hate system resources going into the drain over nothing. Microsoft has had some wins late (no pun intended), but I always bet on passionate independent devs. Let's see how this unfold.
it was super buggy for me and i was unable to get most (or all? i cant remember) of my devices working. im sure it's great but only when it works
As someone who uses fedora linux thats my only option and I like it 😂
The bigger problem with RGB, is is hard to avoid if you have to get newparts
Ya and stuff like ram often doesn't let you turn them off
@@littlejack59 set the color of your RAM to black.... Thats one way I have found to effectively turn off the RGB on the RAM sticks.
The way I avoid them is to look for non-gaming PC components, as it's usually the fancy gamer stuff that has lighting effects.
just turn the light off. there always has to be a way to to that.
@@gman4141007Problem is, sometimes bloatware must be installed to turn off the lighting.
If it works, it'll be nice to have one less piece of malware needed. You've still got windows itself, but hard to get rid of that for most people.
I hate having to regularly set my RGB settings to "off".
You can probably create a startup script that does that for you
@@littlejack59 Yes, but it shouldn't be this way...
Do they reset to on or something, that is shitty. I turned that stuff off on day one and haven't thought about it since. MSI center was the app I was forced to use. there is still some MSI thing running in the background according to task manager, but it doesn't show up in the taskbar and it doesn't use much ram (18MB) so whatever.
I had to download four of these programs just so I could flip a toggle to turn them off. lol
so you can turn those bad light off i did not know that
I'd just cut the wire to the RGB light and be done with it.
This is why I'll actually pay extra for RGB free components. You actually need the software running all the time to keep the lights off. Even those which theoretically support a protocol where you can program the lights and then uninstall the software, you're always just one rogue Windows update away from the return of dreaded default unicorn vomit.
@@Farengast why there isnt a solid color as default, like just white light for example boggles my mind, does anyone actually enjoy unicorn vomit all the time? so annoying
@@FarengastWait they charge extra to NOT have the light??? Bruh, I want to do my job in peace, not in rave party...
That smooth T-shirt change back and forth
Is there an app to control that?😁
@@azrael1673 for Riley I would just turn it off 🥵
I was hoping that it would just keep changing colour throughout the entire video, but sadly it was just an insert clip.
I've discovered that by a complete accident both my keyboard (Razer Ornata) and mouse (Microsoft Pro IntelliMouse) are on the short list of supported devices!
My Blackwidow Chroma V2 isn't supported.
@soundspark which is really stupid considering that's not some cheep throw away mouse
Bro the Ornata is horrific
Anything following a standard is good!
what
*a standard
@@Linkman8912 sorry, typo :)
but an open standard!
It would be sick to have this working with wallpaper engine
What in the world is a walpaper engine, why someone would need an engine for walpapers, why are people turning their pcs to a brothel house in thailand? So many questions..
@@mahmutdikcizgi9773 Wallpaper engine make your wallpaper move like live wallpapers on android back then
All I want from RBG is the ability to turn it off
It's super distracting.
the benefit of a standard here is that you can control the RGB lights, that includes turning them off.
Thank you..
This feature comes pre installed in owner, called 'use your brains and don't buy it'
Lmao@@Sandeee
The only RGB in my pc is the gpu and i cant even see it from my chair.
When I built my PC after 20 years since the last time, I built a ZERO RGB one, or as much as possible. It was COVID and as such, had to go with some parts that were readily available, like the GPU and Power Supply has RGB, but you never see the Power Supply's and the PNY 3090 I got can turn that off. THOUGH, it is where I learned there's a NON-RGB premium. Similar to Non-Smart Appliance premium nowadays.
Some PC cases have PSU shroud cutouts, specifically so you could see your PSU RGB and/or PSU LCD screens 😅
My first ever build was a full tower Thermaltake Core X71 with 2x360mm rads, 6x120mm rgb radiator fans, 2x200mm rgb air intake fans, rgb pump, rgb cpu block, rgb gpu block, rgb reservoir, rgb psu
My fiancée legit was not able to sleep because this thing was so bright in the next room
Now I'm legit running an open bench, all black hardware except gpu(factory waterblock is of course with rgb)
I enjoy the simple look without the horrible software needed
@@Kibirotubas LCD displays I get. That's actually useful information at a glance. RGB not so much, though I know with like CPU blocks and GPUs you can customize that RGB to be semi-informative by giving you different colors for performance modes, overheating, etc.
Anti RGB neckbeards are so cringe.
Just let people enjoy things for fucks sake
I LOVE RGB because it looks amazing
@@ExtremeHardcoreGamer NO ONE SAID RGB SHOULD BE BANNED!!! So your weird reaction formation response is grossly out of place and line. I just said, I WANTED A NON-RGB PC. Just checked nor did I pass critique on those who want RGB.
All rgb needs to be in one software. Please. We're dying out here
I've always been amazed at how terrible most RGB control apps are. I can't think of a single one thats easy to use but still flexible.
Openrgb.
The only one you'll need. If your device isn't supported, dump the protocols and ask to be added to the support list. Takes like 3 mins to dump everything you need.
openrgb 😊
@@vendetta.02 I wouldn't say easy to use. But I definitely think it's better than the very, very low bar set by the others. In particular I remain absolutely baffled by how often SignalRGB gets recommended. It is garbage tier software plain and simple.
@@Farengastwhat's wrong with it. Curious..
@@JeyD02from when I used it everything was locked behind a paywall, for rgb software…
Always look forward to this
Wait. So there's now a single spot in Windows where I can turn off all of those stupid LED lights? This has made my day.
I observed a noticeable loss in brightness on my keyboard backlight, but couldn't figure out the cause at first.
Turned out that it was Windows 11 and this feature, that added support for my Logitech model. After disabling Dynamic Lighting I finally got my full brightness back.
Which you can MAX IT OUT since THERE IS an option exists
This is great - OpenRGB would likely benefit from this as well, meaning that support on Linux would get better too.
😂😂😂
Thanks to Microsoft.
I like how Riley's shirt was controlled by different RGB software... again!
Pretty nifty, that xkcd comic doesn't really apply when windows has the power to shove it down everyone's throat, which is kinda nice
Yup, they can make it a requirement if you want your xbox peripherals to be officially listed, and make every future first party games only support their own api
They won't. It'll probably just be basic support for basic control and you'll still need the third party app for more granular control. They're good to their business partners where it matters for them, and only just good enough to users.
@@Aeduo Sometimes the needs of their business partners and users can align, so I'll be hopeful. There's no point in supporting the builtin windows thing if you need a separate app anyway
I had hoped you'd lean into the tshirt colour change being about RGB and all
I mean... M$ doesn't have the best track record either. I wouldn't assume this will solve the RGB software woes. May just be an instance of "you were supposed to defeat them, not join them."
I hope they do a video on whether or not the new standard actually works across multiple manufacturers
The biggest reason I thought rgb sucked was all the software. This is a terrific idea. As for the mismatching led colours, perhaps they could have a tool where you give it a live camera feed of the lights and it tunes the colours so they all match.
Of even just a tool that lets you manually tweak the light per device
@@Erowens98Calibrators for monitors already exist, it's faster and more accurate to use technology to tweak technology :P
@@Zapnl a good calibrator for a monitor costs hundreds of dollars. Your eyeballs might not be acurate, but they cost nothing.
iCue keeps not being able to find my K95 keyboard when it reboots... but I just woke it up from sleep, and magically it found it now!
I am so sick of manufacturer-specific control panels being so hilariously unreliable. Please please please standardize it already!
@sorak185: I just had the same problem with a new K100 Optical. I RMA'd it back to Corsair for the K100 Cherry MX Speed and the problem went away. Why...just...why, Corsair?
I went back to iCue 4, works for me
Motherboard manufactures should have done this within the BIOS, and not with Windows only software. This is not what Windows needs to do.
How about no??? It's bad enough that nowadays they have built-in support for Windows OEM logo (why is that necessary again???), let non-essentials be non-essentials... oh and the default should be solid non-blue for peripherals and off for internals!!! Also, it's up to the device's manufacturer to support other OSes, not the mobo's.
@@erikkonstasIf I recall correctly there was a vulnerability on some motherboards due to custom boot logo, creating an attack surface. It was something like changing the logo allowed for unsigned code execution.
@@xpforevergaming8609 Yeah, LogoFAIL, which is why I mentioned that... and yes, the backdoor is none other than the classic buffer overflow 😂
As an embedded engineer, I totally *disagree* with putting RGB nonsens in the BIOS! A BIOS should be utilized for boot and other important configurations only, not some childish light-show controls!
The fact that an RGB motherboard connector exists at all, is a disgrace in itself. If they asked me to design some RGB controller, I would plain out refuse to utilize this connector at all! I would simply use an additional FTDI to serial converter IC, creating a completely separated communication bus for the RGB lights.
I've build dozens of industrial devices this way, sure my software had the occasional bugs and crashes during it's initial alpha release, yet my software has never caused any full blown BSOD's at all!
@@timmy7201 I can see both sides of the BIOS debate, but I very much agree with putting lights on a port which doesn't require crazy drivers. There's no need!
OpenRGB works most of the time for me but I choose not to do RGB. The software can be so bad if you select dynamic lighting it'll take too much resource.
No RGB is amazing, especially RGB fans, (as they look so tacky) and do nothing for performance, and create unnecessary heat. Function over form.
RGB LEDs are so efficient that the heat they give off is practically zero, and it doesn't affect PC temps.
It adds to the aesthetic of the PC
@@Dugachug If anything uses energy, it warms up, it's called physics.
I didn't say RGB affect PC temps, I said 'they create unnecessary heat'. But they probably do.
RGB makes every computer run faster
@@DragonKingGaavLol, like stripes on ya car.
The neat thing I like about my Powercolor 7900 XT, is that it has a hardware switch to disable all the lights. And a Dual Bios.
I just use open rgb and Artemis together to control all my lighting through "one" program, you just have a server running with open rgb then everything is controlled through Artemis. I would be open to trying it if it is an option for windows 10 users but I'm not upgrading to windows 11 just for lighting control I already have at my fingertips in a pretty unobtrusive way.
Noticed it was already enabled and did basically nothing. How do i actually use it then? Because turning off "Lighting Controling Apps in foreground" didnt change it. Do i have to uninstall all rgb software?
right when aura sync stopped sucking so hard too. all my stuff is already asus anyway so ill keep using aura sync but its nice to have the options in the future.
ive got parts from razer, asus, gskill, lianli in my pc. was a nightmare having all the individual software suites for each manufacturer, so im at least mildly content with signalrgb taking control. just had a look at the microsoft dynamic lighting and unfortunately appears none of my components support it. could free up so much system resources if i could just set all devices to a solid colour matching my windows accent colour which is basically what ive manually set in signalrgb anyway.
They don't need to make the LEDs the same. They just need some way for them to be calibrated, and then ideally have a color profile built in--or even just a calibration code.
I even run into the problem with a first party app on my smart light bulbs. The colors in the app don't match the bulbs, and changing the hue is not consistent at different brightness and saturation levels.
If I had an app that would let me calibrate it, having me choose colors and then adjust until the color on screen was closest, this could be perfectly in sync. Heck, even let people share profiles, ala Steam controller configs.
4 of my computers are current gen, and none of them are supported by dynamic lighting.. guess I'll find out in 4-5 years if they ever get it to work
I very much like how my 0 LED setup syncs its color really well with the darkness of my room and my heart.
This is my choice too! ;) However, the lack of an illuminated keyboard does restrict how dark my room can be. I would like an illuminated keyboard, but only if it has physical controls on the keyboard itself, not by some software that thinks it's clever.
heres an example. Corsair AF120's come in a white rgb version. the more expensive Corsair LL120 have addressable rgb. and the vengeance ddr4 ram is also addressable. the more expensive fan cant make the same white as the RAM and the cheaper AF120. speaking of different LED's of different brands, some brands in this case dont even use the same LED's between products.
Even if they the same, white will always look of from one rgb cluster to another. You will need some rgbw clusters to get a consistent white, and I don't think there are any pc products that have that.
I tried it on my Asrock B550M Steel Legend (using the firmware from a different board because they abandoned B550 boards), and it seems like the Windows 11 RGB stuff forgets the color settings when the screen is locked. It also tended to repeatedly blink a bit of the default color pattern before Windows 11 overwrites it.
I had to flash back to stock, but now I have the wrong motherboard's RGB controller firmware on it. I asked their support what firmware file to flash to get the correct firmware, and they said: oh, just send in the motherboard for replacement. That sounds like a pain, why not just tell me what command to run to flash it back?
Ah, the Corsair Vengeance with RGB LEDs. I still have my Corsair Vengeance K70 Silver with just blue LEDs. But I'm gonna fix it up, cause many of the LEDs are dead and even more very dim now, so I'll change the switches away from reds, and swap the LEDs to ones with different colors.
MSI mobo lights have always the HUE slightly off in comparison to every other component, even the strips that are directly connected and controlled from the mobo itself....
I noticed that with my b450 tomahawk max, it annoyed the fuck out of me tbh. glad I upgraded away from msi
@@JETBLACKPRIEST Hmmm, I'm also in the b450 chipset, mine is a B450M Mortar Titanium, maybe is just that generation of products...
This feels like every new JS framework. It's always supposed to fix everything, but in the end it's just one more JS framework. And so are the next 5.
I have an acer nitro 17 and now my rgb keyboard is stuck in “breathing” mode, incant change it to nothing else, the only othe option available is to set lights color by area, somebode knows how i can fix it?
What's cool is that even if the windows RGB app sucks ( look like it.. ) since it will be the new standard adopted by RGB manufacturer, you can build your own app on top of it to get something better than the native windows one
Running Swafans and thinking of running lian li strimmer rgb extension any ideas on which controllers will help me not need a ton of different controllers to have to connect it all?
For now just use open rgb
I'm wondering if they (meaning MS and hardware vendors) will add support for older devices. Because if not, OpenRGB will probably be the best solution for a long time...
@@Mat2095 openrgb with the artemis interface is beautiful
"It's spring!"
Living in Finland, I really really wish it was spring already 😅
Do i need the apps installed anyway? Also, asrock and gigabyte are already compatible?
I’ve been playing with this for a few months now actually and it’s neat, but is certainly still quite buggy.
tried it. the only supported peripherals i have like my mouse and keyboard don't do anything when i turn this option on for them.
I'll be interested when you can link the lights, on the individual components, to their temperature.
Red for thermal throttling, orange for very hot, yellow for warm etc.
Not like you'd suspend the machine when it goes red tho, like you do want to use it right?
Until Windows gets that granular, I'll keep using OpenRGB Hardware Sync plugin for that.
It is funny how much I used to love RGB in my computer. I mean, I won't go out of my way to avoid it or anything but I just havent really sought it out either with my last build. Fun to see how trends, and my own likes, change over time. That being said, I am still using my keyboard that has the ability to change the lighting for each key.
Ha! My brother has his keyboard backlight break, turned out windows thought it could do more than it actually could and it bugged out.
I would prefer RGB control from a BIOS UI instead. For example MSI Mystic light cannot remember the state on boot and if I uninstall it the animation becomes garbled after pc restart.
Heck yes, even gaming motherboards have really poor bios and associated apps. You know software that just makes stuff blink is going to be garbage.
RGB is like using a coal power plant to heat your house
Nice shirt change lol you update your own RGB settings?
Situation: There are 14 competing standards.
People: "14?! Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases!" "Yeah!"
Soon: There are 15 competing standards.
Yep. :) I mean, it might not happen this time as M$ has a lot of power and influence and people don't really want multiple controls, but y a never know.
The purpose of all these apps existing is to have the branding all over your desktop. They'll just assure that the generic windows support is ultra barebones and most of the functionality will still need the heavily branded applications.
The worst part about having different RGB products is that the software all too often fights each other. Not to mention the stupidly incompatible connectors on things. Currently RGB is kind of like the batteries in cordless tools. Internally they're all the same, they all work the same and there is no real reason why they aren't universally compatible. The only reason they aren't is because the connector bits are purposely made different just to inconvenience the consumer.
So after a while I kinda gave up. I left the homebrew software for my RAM RGB and removed all the Razor etc crap. Got an Aquacomputer Farbwerk and just connected everything into that. I now have an RGB controller that only needs software when I want to adjust something and that does everything else on it's own.
Guys, does anyone have suggestions for an RGB app that allows dynamic lighting (where the lighting mirrors whats on the screen)?
Tried openrgb but it straight up just crashes my system if I open the app and then have to restart my system. Signalrgb, although shows it has the feature, but for the love of god haven't been able to eneable that.
And finally MSI software, it works, but its just suck up like 50% of CPU at idle with like tons of unwanted processes running in the background
I just run openRGB super light on performance tried signal before that it was a little heavy until i found openRGB.
Try out Artemis to actually design the effects, it connects to OpenRGB and works kind of like an After Effects type compositor for your effects. Can do all sorts of cool stuff with it, I once played Bad Apple!! on all of my peripherals
It’s Spring! You know what that means? “Prepare for Satellite Rain.”
I'm trying to think of a more useless feature a computer could have. Maybe install several optical drives so a game can open their trays in sync with what's happening. Or how about a 36.1 sound system, you know 1 speaker for every 10 degrees, I mean 5.1 wasn't enough, so why not.
The only RGB I like are those used for white light to display the components (Fixed white is preferable). Red and green LEDs for status lights are also fine to me
I don't get the spring sell... what aberage user needs to buy that many replacement-springs?
4:08 That is definitely going to happen and not the brands finding some even more annoying way to convince you to buy more stuff from them
I'm glad they're creating a standard for all of the systems to work through, that is a nice feature to have, especially since those with rgb usually have paid a ton of money for their systems
Riley holds LTT Media Group together. He’s like the French horn in a woodwind quintet; you wouldn’t think they’re necessary but they’re the glue of the group.
Linux has OpenRGB It's been available for years.
Finnaly a very simple to solve problem is being solved.
Now all we need is a way to calibrate differnt rgb devices so that windows can adjust their output to look simular. (Considering how long it took to get rbg to be unified at all, im not hopeful)
LampArray is terrible with logitech!
Ever since this became a thing, my keyboard keeps going inactive. The only way I've been able to fix it is by disabling the lamparray service altogether.
Not for me. I prefer my pc setup to be as opaque and clean as possible without any lights.
All I want is a uniform pale white, not very light blue, not very light green, not very light red, W H I T E. I would really like 4 diodes to become the norm, the 4th being a white one
What color temperature would you like the white to be? 🙃
@@eekee6034... Illuminant E.
Still waiting for Corsair support :/
Missed opertunity to say 'rain of savings'
OpenRGB and you're done. No need to wait for the manufacturer to support some Microsoft exclusive thing, OpenRGB already does it (almost) all. Added bonus: It's easy to script and automate so for example my lighting changes depending on temps and load.
thats all well and good but i still need both icue and razer synapse to load different profiles or edit button layout/macro keys so kinda pointless
Next build I'm going no RGB Small factor PC, my mjaor annoyance with RGB is the amount of wires for cable management .
the irony is, the dynamic lighting "feature" they put in has actually broken my RGB. i've turned the setting off in the settings and with regedit. dyanmic lighting STILL has control over my RGB. it'll either change my set colour to rainbow puke or completely disable the RGB.
and whenever i do have dynamic lighting turned on it still does the same things i've stated above. dynamic lighting is horrible.
good idea but i could also see manufacturers refusing the standard for anti-competitive reasons. Theyde rather you buy their stuff only, so they may force users to need their software to control it and reject other software.
Background color so good
I would love this, but with 1 caveat: allow us to not have the service active all the time for when we have only onboard-storage devices.
We need a service always running for RGB RAM, but not for case LEDs.
Using it since a few months I really have to say that it works great, with some minor problems
what's the point of me having Dynamic lighting on my laptop that doesn't support RGB? or anything thon it that has RGB?
Signal rgb works the best in my opinion and has been established with many devices i even bought the paid subscription for the game integration
i'm shocked it took this long & even then companies are STILL doing their own standard instead
You are still going to have to install the proprietary apps for things like macros so it doesn’t do anything about the amount of apps I have to install
I just want the ost for this
how I do it on my Mac studio ?
Here's where I kind of wish Microsoft would have looked at the open RGB project because it would have been very useful to have them on board.... Maybe we could have gotten fixes for some of the hardware that the project doesn't have on hand to reverse engineer
A more likely solution is a per array white balance adjustment in the software.
Personally I look at my screens & not my RAM/Fans/MOBO/GPU cables/waterblocks/distro blocks/PSU/shiny keys/etc. I really don't care about fan speeds/gal per hour & what ever else their trying to sell me.. It's just more stupid frustrations that are unnecessary in my "workflow". My rig runs cool & fast even if it's in a dark box...
That’s why I stick with enterprise grade hardware, no fucking annoying disco lights
Why can't the standard include a color profile like they do for monitors, that'd help them match up
I'm so old that I don't mind having a PC with opaque sides under my desk
4:15 i randomly started holding my breath before this.
I use a mixture of OpenRGB, ASRock Polychroma and Corsair iCue. there is a part of me that wished i went with all corsair but i havefound their products to be waning in quality in recent years.
Its defintely annoying, but im glad this standardisation is occuring. i do feel its late though.