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#17 - Sargon on Pyrrhus - Part 2 of 2
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2020
- If you thought the first half of Pyrrhus's life was action packed, you ain't seen nothin' yet. It's just non-stop. The Romans, the Carthaginians, the Macedonians, the Spartans and various assorted barbarians; Pyrrhus takes on all comers... He does, however, meet a pretty sticky end.
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May the History Bro/Sargon podcasts continue without end!
Amen!... Preach it, brother.
I'll drink to that! I love these discussions. I am very interested in history and I really like Sargon, these collaborations are awesome. What's his name got a new subscriber
To be fair to Pyrrhus on his tactics, his son had just been killed. Since he was seemingly a good person he was probably distraught, then further he might have been drinking as well. He would have been at his lowest point when he tried to take Argos and even then much of his failure was due to miscommunication that was very possibly outside his control.
This is my first time listening to this podcast and I don’t think it’ll be my last. This is super interesting, so thank you.
Thank you so very much. Massively appreciate the comment.
Pyrrhus was a great man, a violent one who met a tragic fate, but his memory is a noble tale to commemorate.
These 2 on Pyrrhus are awesome!
Thank you kindly. :-)
“She sees Pyrrhus engaging her son and she goes ‘OH FUCK!’” XD
"Mom, can you come pick me up? Pyrrhus is about to kill me!"
🤣🤣
This was really good. Have to order myself some plutarch. Why on earth isn't someone making a Netflix epic series of this?
Thank you... And yeah, it would make a superb series.
@@HistoryBro please don't they would say he was a black woman
What a great podcast! This is the real stuff! Please do more!
Cheers. Will do. :-)
Pyrrhus any other time: “I will kill you if you try me, but it ain’t personal.”
Pyrrhus after the death of his son: “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!”
I don't know why this channel reminds me of my favorite English wrestling podcast channels maybe it's cuz we all love a good epic fight story
On Antigonos being woeful upon the presentation of Pyrrhos' head;
People tend to forget, with how often and with how much scorn they fought, the Diadochi and their descendants all had immense respect for each other, even if they did not know it themselves
I think that Phyrros not chasing after the King of Makedone probably was because of this- he has Makedonia, but Antigonas is still a Basileus, and he probably expected him to carve another fiefdom from another area
While the Diadochi may have wanted to control all of Alexander's realm, I think they would be in quite some despair if they had, as their friends are now without title or great empires themselves, similar to how the US after the Cold War was rather disillusioned, and still is
Part of what drove them so much was the Homeric tradition, even superficially, and these great wars and conquests against fellow men of great prowess was certainly what they would have considered a fun past time
You can even see how the "old" greek ideas of low-intensity conflict and treating after a few battles plays out in the untold number of wars for Syria and Judea- the Ptolemies and Seleukids sent possibly millions of men over centuries into battle for a relatively small amount of land, and would still follow the rules that Greece held to since the 700s BC over 5-600 years later, acknowledging a victor but also respecting that this victory does not mean permanent rule if the other party can come back stronger
Even though there was 200 years of Eastern influence, they never lowered themselves to the barbarian traditions of simply laying waste to every city that opposed them to affirm their rule, which probably lead to their ultimate withering away, but it certainly served to preserve their reputations as great men doing great things "for the crack" as Sargon has said here
it is crazy to think about the alternate history if somehow Pyrrhus pressed his advantage and snuffed out the Roman Republic... the world would be so different.
That Dj khaled/Phyrrus suffering from sucess meme was brilliant lol
Made me chuckle when I first saw it.
I am a big fucking fan of these episodes. Army officer in America. 👋 Hello to you.
I love you guys this channel thank you so much. I've been seeing that some of the Cavalry units add leather trunks put on their horses to scare the elephants
WE NEED HANNIBAL NOW!
You need to put these on spotify History Bro
Screw Caesar vs Alexander, I’d rather see Aurelian vs Alexander. I’ll take the Sun’s favored champion over that prissy Macedonian prince any day
Aurelian vs Alexander. Hot dog! That'd be a zinger for sure.
I'd still put a tenner on Alexander, if pushed.
I never thought I would have sargon on me
Hey Pyrrhus, when you were in southern Italy, did you really cut a barbarian in half, longways?
@@HistoryBro yep sure did, bent my sword on his pelvis
Ooh Hannibal next. Definitely right behind Alexander in terms of greatest military leaders imo
Ol' Hannibal is certainly up there. In the top five I'd say.
People often put Hannibal as #1.
The tower on elephant's back is referred to as a "Howdah"
It's basically a saddle mixed with a small storage area for munitions and a possibly a bit of wooden cover against missiles, depending on when/where it was used
Loads of different designs out here, huh. Indian ones looked different to Arabian ones, etc.
@@HistoryBro Time periods too, Indians still used an armored up one in the early days of gunpowder
Hell, the khmer basically had a huge saddle with a fucking ballista mounted to it as theirs
@@serp3n1 Haha. I saw one picture when making this, an actual photo, I think maybe from WWI period, where a guy has got a machinegun mounted up there. The barrel sticking out over the top of the elephants head. Crazy. Amazing.
@@HistoryBro If I had to guess, they were such a status symbol in India people tried running them way after they were effective, kinda like egypt and their chariot riders
MORE OF THIS!!!! I don’t care if you have to kid nap Sargon tie him to a chair and then, at gun point, force him to do a podcast... DO IT
I say, steady on, old boy... Although, thinking about it, it's not completely ridiculous.
ALRIGHT I'LL DO IT!
Punic wars next. Although would be interesting to know more about early Rome more around the Samnite wars
Aye, Rome's Italian wars are fascinating, huh.
History Bro it’s where the maniple system is developed
Honestly these two can tell a story!
I'm a bit late to the party but you two are a really good team.
If you take all circumstances into consideration. Pyrrhus was as capable as Alexander and Hannibal.
History has done Pyrrhus dirty .
Another brilliant subject, really engrossing
1:01:46
Pyrrhus: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!
Haha. When I saw that picture of a Khorne Berserker looking like he was calling someone out in the middle of a battle, I knew I had to use it.
This is great. Can you do Mithridates?
Last time I was this early, Alexander the Great was getting BTFO'd by Diogenese
The Celts invaders were mostly Gauls of the Volcae and the Boii from Bohemia, some had migrated from their homelands in search of new lands to settle, usually they would the second sons looking for new lands.
Some of them returned to Southern France and left some of the loot in their temples, I think it's Caesar who discovers all this Macedonian and Greek stuff in the Volcae temples and is told that it's from those wars against Macedon and the Greeks in general.
What a fucking death bruh
History Bro = The Rest is History for stoners
more quotes, they are always sick
Cheers, Bro
1:13:21
*FOR YOU*
It’s funny how in Greek tradition getting killed from behind was like super badass but in medieval times it was dishonorable.
Lessons of history carried over to the current day: Which has the most GLORY? Conquering lands full of people who hate you for killing their husbands and sons? Or defending the territory that is yours? Pyrrhus has "glory" for winning Pyrrhic victories. But, should he have more "glory" than George Washington? Who, NEVER attempted foreign conquests. But, who dedicated his military life to defending his land from alien armies? George Washington was never someone who could be acclaimed as a great general. But, he was adequate to defending his country. So, who is greater in terms of world history? George Washington who was NOT a great general but who adequately defended his country or, Pyrrhus who was probably a greater general but who spent his life pursuing glory by conquering lands NOT his own????????
You two need to go over the history of the Roman Republic. Would be quite interesting.
Would be sweet. Unfortunately Carl is a super busy guy. Gotta kinda cherry pick, to an extent. Shame, I know... But we'll do Hannibal next. I'm sure to talk all about the Reupublic from the beginning, even if it's only for ten minutes or so.
@@HistoryBro Even if its months down the road it would be worth the wait.
God bless you and yours through these strange times.
If i may ask, what is your favorite bit of history?
Im fond of the Servile Wars myself. Lots of exciting moments with the rise of Ceasar and Crassus.
I go through phases, me. Bit of a frustrating answer, but I don't have a single favourite. Almost depends what mood I'm in. When I was younger I would have simply answered, the age of Augustus. These days, tbf, I do find myself returning again and again to the hundred years war and the wars of the roses; that whole stretch of time.
@@HistoryBro
I certainly can understand that feeling.
🤗
I find myself oscillating between the Sengoku Jidai of Japan, the American Revolution, and the 1st century BC/ 1st century AD Romans.
@@lostalone9320 Lol
So, Pyrrhus is basically like Hitler. - History Bro, 2020
Ha!
Lilybaeum was Pyrrhus's Stalingrad.
Can you guys talk abut Sulla and Gaius Marius.
I'd love to do that. Definitely. Sulla is actually a bit of a fixation of mine. Brilliant generation, that one.
@@HistoryBro Thanks History Bro!
Please do Scipio Africanus.
Yep. Uhuh. Can do... Will do. :-)
Why did Pyrrhus go to Sicily? Stay in Rome and keep trying to pull down the stone wall, go to Macedon and get stabbed by stabby stabbies, or go to Sicily? Lads, lets go eat some pizza.
And then Covid happened. Hannibal when?
Hopefully it'll be up this evening or tomorrow.
mom of the century tho like hot damn.
the modern american military vs pyrus or ceazar.
How many modern Navy Seals do you think it'd take to defeat 35,000 ancient Epirots?
@@HistoryBro 200 If they had enough ammunition.
@@TheLifesentence2278 to put a twist on this, what if both sides start with nothing and can't get things delivered, no armor, ammunition, vehicles, spears, guns, they have to make everything from scratch. who wins?
@@anon8740 I think that would equalize the situation quite a bit. however if the seals knew exactly who they were fighting they would understand the tactics pretty well and due to the education they receive they would still have an advantage. I mean if no one has armor slings would be the best weapon for range and simple spears would be the best close range weapon. modern special operators are highly trained and educated.
Don’t forget about Mithridatese (forgive the spelling, I can’t recall how to spell his name) haha would love to see you guys talk about him and there is nothing on CZcams about him really.
There is a channel called "Kings and Generals" that does a great series about Mithridates.
If we keep doing Rome, we're sure to come to it at some point. Defintely one of Rome's most formidable enemies.
@@lorgarbeareroftheword5836 Good call
I know the channel your talking about, and it’s great for battles and things but most of the videos are rather short so it’s just small bits at a time. I much prefer the longer format of this channel and the fact that it’s in discussion between History Bro and Sargon makes it more entertaining imo. Thank you for the suggestion though, very thoughtful of you.
@History Bro That’s awesome news thank you. But if I’m not mistaken the first Mithridates is stomping around what is to be Pontus around the time you guys are talking about here no? There are so many near empires and famous kings in this time period, I love Rome and Carthage but when you guys shine light on smaller lesser known nations and it’s kings like Epirus it is extremely interesting and imo less accessible then Rome’s history. But I get it, Rome is a small tribe that turns itself into a giant empire and just the amount of things to cover under the topic of Rome is basically endless. Happy to listen to anything you guys put out, I’m just saying don’t forget about the little guys when your chatting about the infinite exploits of Rome haha.
Germania sounds good
Man, I'm chomping at the bit to do that one.
Hannibal Barca when?
No ETA yet. Soz. It's in the mail, though.
The other commentator keeps on leaving out the most important and significant details...of the different events in the podcasts😅.
E.g. The fact that the Spartan army was away on campaign when Pyrrhus attacked Sparta. That's a pretty significant major detail. Hence why th women got involved and dug ditches. Because it was basically mostly spartan boys in Sparta defending Sparta.
Or that the guy that Pyrrhus cut in half, basically called Pyrrhus a coward when Pyrrhus went to the back to treat a head wound that was gushing blood over his face.
Instead he paints it as if Pyrrhus, drenched in blood, chopped some innocent person up into pieces...for no reason😅🤣🤣
Wish you could limit the "F" bombs guys.
My problem with this guy is he seems to have waged war for no good reason it was just war for wars sake I don't really find that respectable or admirable at all.
It wasn't like invading for food or resources or defending your home it was war just because he liked it.
@Mr. A. Knight War just for glory is the lowest form of war.
The people of your kingdom want their prosperity not your asinine glory.
Your glory is worthless if your kingdom crumbles around you because you spent all your time on pointless wars instead of actually running a kingdom. If all you're good at is war you shouldn't be a king in the first place kings need to govern not just spend all their time on war.
@@GUMMRUCHK Respectably disagree, you judging history using our modern morals and that's fundamentally flawed.
Pretty sure it was King role to make war in first place, and govern was distant second.
"The people of your kingdom want their prosperity" if they want prosperity that bad, then they better be able to make it themselves and not expect it to be given by the state.
That's basically ancient Greek homeric culture in a nutshell 😅.
Greeks fought for individual glory. That's what Alexander and every Greek in his army fought for as well.
They were a militaristic society.
War was like a sport, where individuals attained glory and tried to live forever as legends...like Achilles, Hercules, etc. It's why the Greeks were so good at war to begin with.
One of the main professions the average Greek ended up in was hoplite mercenaries. More Greeks were employed in this way than probably any other occupation.
Greece was constantly overpopulated and it was one of the main ways to get out. Second only to colonies esteblished to alleviate overpopulation in the mother cities.
@@tylerdurden3722 And I find nothing about that even mildly admirable my favorite part of the story was his idiotic death. lol
@@GUMMRUCHK no one finds a militaristic aspect of a culture admirable... what's your point?
I don't think history is for you😅. An interest in history is not to seek admiration.
The purpose is to learn about events and people that were interesting. His death is very interesting. Since it's so unusual after such an unusual and interesting life.