How much Marshall do you need? SV20 or 1987 or even 1959!?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- In this video I compare the the three versions of the classic JMP line that Marshall currently offers in their product line up:
100W Marshall Super Lead (Model 1959SLP) The current one is HW though
50W Marshall 50W Lead (Model 1987X)
20W Marshall Studion Vintage SV20H
I'm playing all three amps through a 1971 Marshall 1960A and B Full stack, using a 1973 Gibson Les Paul Custom and a 2021 Fender Custom Shop telecaster 1960 Relic.
12:04 They're not "twice as loud".
to get double the volume - you need to have 10 times the power, all other things being equal. examples: 100W is 2 times louder than 10W which is 2 times louder than 1W. 100W is then 4 times louder than 1W -> 10log(100/10)=10log(10/1) => 10log(100/1)=20dB, a 10dB difference translates to double the volume so 20dB is 4 times the volume.
In this video, 10log(50/20)~4dB, 10log(100/50)=3dB, so 10log(100/20)~7dB
Thanks for all the informative videos Johan!
Yeah I should have said twice the sound pressure. Thanks for the clarification. Cheers
If I owned Marshall, I would hire you to be the ambassador for the company! I like the big one the best BTW!
Thanks my friend! 😀
@@JohanSegebornHi.
Congratulations on the channel!
I would like to ask you a question if possible.
in your opinion and have you been able to try it.
Which speaker would go best with a 1x12" screen for the Marshall STUDIO VINTAGE SV20h head, what is the ideal combination and would it make the best match?
With :
1° Celestion G12M 65 Creamback 1×12"
2° Celestion Vintage30 1x12"
3° Celestion V type 1x12"
4° Celestion Greenback 1x12"
5° Celestion Classic Lead 80 1x12"
With what Ohms would be the ideal or best for the speaker with the Marshall SV20h head?
With :
1st Speaker 8 Ohms
2nd Speaker 16 Ohms
Thank you very much in advance for the information (if it is possible for you to give me your opinion) and sorry for being so bold with the query, I hope I don't bother you.
Thank you very much!!Greetings!
This is why Johan is the 👑. We’d all love the Superlead but the SV20 does a fab job at a good price.
Thanks Eddie! That’s kind of you
Damn. The 50W lives in a sweet spot, tone-wise. Louder than I'd really be able to use regularly, but I love the sound.
Glad to hear that!
If you have a vintage Marshall, you don't need more the 50w imo🤘
I hear that too…fuller mids, while the 20 a little shy on bottom end, comparably.
I’m fortunate to own an old 50w.
”How much Marshall do I need?”
MORE! 😊
Hahaha 😂 you are beyond redemption
I have the SV20 with matching 2x12 cabinet and it sounds fantastic. The 1987x and 1959HW are incredible as well, but I don’t have an excuse to buy either. 😂
Yeah, you cover a lot of ground with that rig
100w because the tone is more aggressive, more headroom, more fullness... more! Thanks for the awesome video!
Thanks Andrea!
I have a SV20H with G12Ms in the 2x12 and I have been having a blast just playing, it really is a great amp! Thanks Johan for doing the videos we wish we could!
Thanks, glad you like it!
1959 !!! I practice with two early 70's metal panels....they both have ppmv, but I love them between a quarter up to halfway....very versatile tones!!! Best sounding amps in history period imho
i used to have the SV20 but it was severely lacking in the low end,
i since moved to a jcm800 & 900 mkiii 50-watters & that was perfect, no pedals needed
Bet that SV20 would sound great in a mix though! Low end is fun when you're playing by yourself, but in a live or studio mix, it just muddies things up.
That was awesome. You really need to play all 3 amps in a room to truly understand the difference that is hard to come through through videos but you did an amazing job highlighting the three amazing amps!
Thanks glad to hear that!
Thank you very much Johan for this comparison. It's exactly what i wished for.
As you previously stated, it's clear the 100W has a bigger clearer sound, and i personally think that maybe could be power amp headroom because of higher voltage on the tubes allowing a bigger signal before clipping, along with more power to drive the low end.
That said the SV20 is very impressive indeed, with the same preamp/tonestack tone, and i'd certainly like to play around with it.
Thanks Lars! Glad to hear it
Another video that makes me regret selling my 1987x. Thanks for putting the time in as ever!
Thanks Dave! Never too late to get another 1987x 😀
The 20 watters are very good . I have the SC20 and it has the same fizziness and hiss they all have when cranked though. Easily fixed with better tubes and a common grounding buss for the pots
I need 1959 because it's the culmination of rock'n roll!
It’s indeed the quintessential hard rock amp 🤘
not fair! Johan can make a toaster sound like a Marshall !!! 😄
Hahaha, that’s way too kind 😂
That’s a fact!!
hi Johan, I am writing to you from italy, I wanted to thank you for all the demos you have posted and I have followed over the years, always very useful done in an intelligent way. I could hear a lot of details as if I was there trying the various tests. No one does them as spartan and apt as you do. thank you again good life.
Thanks! Really glad to hear that!
If you aren't playing with a drummer, the 20w will likely be sufficient.
I had a session with a famoys pro drummer, and we recorded takes played together, for maximum feel & ease on my part, and I used a YBA1 60w plexi-alike with a Thiele.
Wide open, by yourself, is mind numbingly loud.
When you're up against a drummer that hits like a man? Barely enough.
A 4x12 would've solved this in all likelihood.
I loved my JCM900 2500. 50w with a half power switch, cranked at half power, it was arena tier gloriousness. Best of both worlds.
I owned a super lead 100 for years and years, i do not miss it owning a sv20 .
The 100 watt sounds amazing, but I can definitely can see myself using the 20 watt since it sounds great and fits in my budget lol. Great video, Johan!
Thanks Rob, glad to hear it!
So much of it comes down to the sound a guy wants and the volume you can handle. If you're getting into a good amount of crunch and distortion, they're all enough to keep up with a drummer in a rehearsal/live setting. The SV20H falls off the most for clean/slightly broken up tones, which is where the 1959 really excels the most. All that power and headroom makes a difference there. I think if I had to pick one for myself, I'd have to go with the 1987. It's really not that much quieter than the 1959, but there's a bit less to tame if you're going for the crunchy/distorted tone. It still does those in-between tones where the SV20H shows its weaknesses.
It's been a while since I stood in front of a 100w Super Lead cranked all the way up. The sound is glorious, but man that's loud.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@JohanSegeborn Good job standing in front of a cranked 100w Marshall and managing the feedback. It's no small job!
I picked up a 1959HW a few years ago. I'm planning on having the circuit modded to replicate a '68 Super Lead, but even in its current state it's really the only amp I play and need!
Same here man, the size and loudness doesn´t make it practical in my flat... but then again tone was not meant to be practical
@@fon267 it's not practical where I live either. I run it through an SPL Reducer power attenuator and it's able to sing at bedroom levels when it needs to. That particular attenuator is very underrated and in my experience is one of the best attenuators on the market. A brilliant piece of German engineering.
I have the 1959 and the jtm 45 I use the 59 most of the time. Good video 👍
Thanks!
Another freakin AWSOME video Johan! I could hear everything you were experiencing through the video. Very good analysis 🧐
Thanks Wayne! Great to hear that!
Marshall did a great job with that "little" SV20, it sounds almost same as big brothers. Thanks for another great video.👍
Thanks, great to hear that!
One thing that doesn’t get discussed much, as it relates to the Super Lead, is that I think you get more “in-between” options for how much gain you want. Basically I think there is more play in the volume knobs with 100 watts, where you can get that “edge of breakup” a little easier. I don’t know if this makes sense, but I’d love to hear your opinion on this, Johan. Great work, as always!
Thanks Kevin, glad to hear it! I agree the 100W gives a much wider tonal palette by using the guitar knobs
Johan, THE Marshall lover of our planet. Nice video dude.
Thanks man! Glad to hear it!
More More More!
Always more.
Great riffing and thst tone cut through anything.
Thanx for the video Johan. 👍
Thanks! Great to hear that!
Great video Johan! They all sound great on their own, but that 1959 has some THUMP!
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
Like the fact that you do not overplay! This was fun and informative! We're all geeks🤓
I compared the 20w plexi and JCM800 amps when I was deciding which one to buy. I went with the JCM as with a Colorsound Overdriver I could get it to sound like the plexi but also get more gain if necessary. Now I've got the 100w one......
Cool! I actually haven’t tried the JCM800 Studio yet, but I really should asap
I have the Studio Vintage with the matching 1x12” cab, loaded with a ‘70s blackback G12H 30W 55Hz, as well as a Marshall 1974 1x12” cab with the Heritage G12M 20W. Flat out, this sounds absolutely huge to my ears!
Looking forward to this one. Own 2 of them
Thank you for a great comparison.
Another great video, I like the commentary in between!
Thanks! Glad to hear that.
That last telecaster bit. Godlike.
Thanks! Great to hear that
Hi, Johan!
I think, 3 are all ok. With some equalisation every amp will do the work! See you!
S.
Thanks man! See you!
Perfect timing! I've been trying to decide on a Marshall type amp and am really swayed by the SV20 for practicality and size and ease of maintenance. Great comparison, they all sound really good!
Thanks Justin! Great to hear that
You know, the bigger amps are actually better for maintenance and repair. Full size pots, sockets and controls are chassis mounted to my knowledge. In the little one they are built like the origins, everything board mounted, mini pots, etc.
Its hard to disagree with the 1959. I own one too and i love it. Although the 1987x is sweet too. And I hear nothing but good things about the 20w amps.
Thanks Eric!
Have a sv20, play in my garage, it's all I need can do everything
I have a ‘72 1987, and I love that amp. For me, it’s perfect; I have no great desire to own a 1959 or 1992. I sold my SV20 after getting the 1987. I found that the 1987 had more guts. The SV20 is still a great amp, though.
Cool! 71-73 is my favourite Marshall era
@@JohanSegeborn I just wish I could afford some Pulsonic Celestions to go with it!
I need ALL the Marshall, Johan.
That’s indeed what the doctor prescribed 😂 Cheers
Love the 1959, definitely has the balls but no longer gigging so the sv20 gets the job done. They all sound nice.
Thanks Stevie!
Love the 1987. Its frustrating though because i want one so bad and can easily afford it but I just can't use one where i live . If i bought one it would just be a decoration .
Oh well i have a Mini Jubilee a DSl 40CR a 5CR and a Blackstar HT 5 and they get me where i want to go and thensome .
Thanks! Yeah the mini jubilee covers a lot of ground
I have got a 1987 from 1991 with a PPIMV. Sounds killer, looks good, I am happy with it.
You always need more!!
Indeed!
That 100 watter has balls.
But as you said, roughly similar recording sounds probably.
Thanks, Cheers!
I was expecting bigger differences to be honest.
The biggest difference seems, the higher wattage you go, the more dimensions and layers of sounds there is.
The 20 is like nice painting, the 50 like painting with great sense of persective and 100 is like actual sculpture.
That’s a good analogy
I like all of them. They all sound great.
The 20 would be more than enough for me. I would say it also sounded best in some of those tests. Rock on.
Thanks, Rock on!
I had a 50 watt late 80's JCM 800.....that was way too much for me ....and my living room....it was great when I used it to play a gig ....
🤣That was funny.I remember the contorted face as I tried to tame my gigging Marshall to home volumes !
(It was a JCM 800 4211and I mainly used it for gigs, clean with pedals).
I'd be interested to hear a comparison of a 50w and 100w with 2 tubes taken out. I've heard the main difference is the size of the transformers as far as the beefy-ness of the sound
Marshall 1959 slp all the way. Hendrix, Page, Van Halen, any questions?????
Page used a super Bass as his main amp . He had a couple of Superleads but those were mainly backups
His Hiwatts spent far more time in the number 1 spot than any of his super leads .Hiwatts were his number 1 from mid 69 to the end of 71. His super bass was his main amp from 72 to 80 and it had 6550 tubes .
Interesting I didn’t know about the tubes!
Yeah that’s the benchmark
SV20 is really good, and compares well. As you mentioned, flat out the difference was not very big. In the other clips 1959 in particular but also 1987 both have something in the background that tells you there is more. Seems to be difficult to replicate that raw power ("no replacement for displacement").
Side note: Only Johan can make clean tone demo interesting. Thanks Johan!
Thanks Bengt! Yeah clean tone seems a bit abstract and boring 😆
I love the Splawn Quickrod 100 for the best Marshall sounds.
Yes Johan it want them all! Aloha and Mahalo!
Aloha and Mahalo Victor!
All 3 sound good, but I'd prefer the tone and oomph of the 50 or 100w. God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
Rock on my friend!
All American Man! Bob Kulick plays on All American Man! The 1987 and 1959SLP...Both need an attenuator. At home, unless you have a large room like yourself, even the SV 20 needs an attenuator. It's a loud 20 watts. I use a Rivera Rockcrusher on my SV 20 at home, to give it the ultimate gain tone, at a low volume. Johan, Check out Metropoulos Amps. George Metropoulos makes amazing Plexi and Modded Plexi Style Amps. George's Amps are right on par with Dave Friedman's Amps. In fact, George Metropoulos and Dave Friedman are very close friends, both being from The State of Michigan USA. The master volumes, created by George Metropoulos are featured on all of Dave Friedman's Amps. George Metropoulos and Dave Friedman make the best modded plexi style amps, imho. Both of their amp creations have the Ultimate Custom Marshall Plexi Tones. For Friedman Amps, I own a BE-50 Deluxe, a Twin Sister, and a 20 watt Jake E. Lee Amp. All of my amps are ampheads. For Metropoulos Amps, I own a DVL-1 Amphead, with multiple years of Marshall Plexi Tones. I'm definitely a plexi/modded plexi amp lover. Much Love and Respect Johan, from Sonny in New Orleans, La USA.
Thanks Sonny! Glad you recognised the track! Yeah the Metropolous amps I’ve played have been great. I think I have at least one video on the channel. Cheers!
Enough to annoy the neighbors!
And how! 😂
Hahaha! I would never do this to my neighbours
@@JohanSegeborn I do little needle drops every once in a while. 30 seconds over Tokyo about once every few weeks. 🙉
The Police Station is only two blocks away
The 1959 sounds more open and direct. The secret of the sound is in the output transformers. The bigger the better, I think
Thanks! I agree the OT is the heart of the amp
Love the KISS riffs, Johan
.. All American Man!
Glad you noticed! I love that track!
This meets my own observations and why I backed away from lower powered amps and settled for the 40w range.
It does make a difference - especially regarding clean and crunch.
My guess is, it has more to do with the irons than the absolute wattage.
Oversized trannies can get you a long way, I think.
I bet if one would put the 1987x trannies into the SV20, but kept the voltage down (so it'd technically still be a 20w amp), it'd sound like the big ones.
Otoh it'd be as heavy to carry and as expensive. So there's nothing to win except knowledge.
Thanks for the feedback!
As a boutique 18watt plexi owner, it’s still too loud to push into breakup at home, though I am having good luck with the lar mar master volume in it.
I think you get the smaller amps to save money, be more portable etc, but with a plexi circuit it’s still going to be loud. 10dB is double the volume, as you double the wattage you go up about 3dB, which is significant, but not as much as one might think.
Yeah even 1W is too much for many apartments.
Even though just the iPad speaker the 20 watt sounds thin lacks the punch, phatness of the other two, which is understandable given the design of the 20 watter, I personally would take the 1987x and have a tech install a ppimv
How much Marshall do we need? All the Marshall!
🤘
The 1959 and 1987 sounded similar but the 20 watt sounded less deep but brighter as I would expect but the same overall flavor to the sound.
Thanks Scott!
@@JohanSegeborn You’re welcome!
I always plug into input 2 and then dial Loudness 1 to roughly twice as much as Loudness 2. No jumpering. High treble is sweet!.
But then again I have no issues throwing a nice dirt box in front of my Black Flag. Even if it's a digital pedal... I like it "kinky". 🤣
20 is plenty, they say....but it comes down to the cabinet and speaker sensitivity.
I always think 2X12 with two Celestion alnico blue on 15 or 20....but then you're paying more for the speakers.
I liked the 50W more. Couldn’t tell you exactly why, just something was going on tonally that i preferred over anything. Then the 20W. The 20W would be perfect for a mix.
I need ALL THE MARSHALLs. All at the same time!
Hahaha! All the courses on the menu stirred down in a bucket, a la Monty Python!
@@JohanSegeborn roflmao. Aww, come on! It is only wafer thin...
In the 1990s I had a 1959 reissue plexi it was just too loud. I think I’ll get the 20. I tried at the store and it’s enough for the
Bars around here.
Great video! Thanks. I used to own a 1987x - amazing amp. I sold it because I thought it was a little impractical, but then I ended up buying a 100watt 2555x Jubilee reissue, so what do I know about "practical"! 😆
Thanks Pete, glad you like it! Hahaha! My purchases are about as logical as yours 😂
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day ❤😊
Thanks, glad you like it! You have a great day too!
Yep, 1959 all the way
Just used the best attenuator or voltage control to get the best room volume necessary
Thanks Steven
Never got on with 50 watt amps. Big iron always for me.
I bought the studio vintage 20 for less than €800 plus shipping from peach guitars a year ago, and had it shipped to the US. The reason I did that, is because the studio vintage 20 yes $1800 here in the US brand new. I’ve noticed that Marshall heads are about $1000 more in the US, over Europe
Wow that’s an insane addition to the price! Have to Google myself. Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn yeah it was quite insane to discover the huge price difference. Kind of weird for a Swede living in the states to discover that Marshall amps were so much more pricier here than at home
Really interesting comparison Johan, good things to know for stage/recording, thank you! I agree. For clean sounds for example the 100W has that little bit more sparkle and magic.
Another interesting comparison would be - how does the 100W compare to the SV20 through a 100W Power Station? Could you get away with that combination as a way to decently cover all the bases without having to have all three amps?? 🤔
Thanks Joe! I’m actually going through a Power station here but with minimum attenuation and no EQ comp, as kind of a patch bay. That’s a great idea for a video
If I wasn't worried about hearing loss I'd have said the 100 watter -- but DAMN getting them to break up is ice pick loud in anything but a HUGE room.
Hahah! Yeah it comes with a price
I think the 50w is a good compromise, price size and sound, but that 20w sounds small. It's like when dad's buy electric toy versions of their SUV for their kids. The studio sounds ok but for the difference in price the 50w wins and keeps the back pain free.
🤘😎🤘
Yeah the price of the 20W seems to have been raised more than the 50W
I bought a 1987X just last month and while I love it, it's not a bedroom amp. I read online that it was loud but had no idea how loud it actually is. I bought a Hot Plate to coincide with the delivery and I'm glad I did but I don't like how it colours the tone. I'm looking out for a Marshall Power Brake to see if that offers a more raw tonal throughput. Failing that I may cough up and buy the Fryette powerstation.
I will add, that 20w model cleans up really well!
Thanks! Yeah there’re definitely inconveniently loud
Just get the Fryette, you won't be sorry.
Hey Johan
I have a 100, 35-40 and a 15 watt Marshall: JCM 900 HG, JTM45 and Haze, but as you know JCM has master volume. I have made different mods on jtm and jcm. The pcb in the 15 watt Haze, I am not well knowledgeable to mod there. But I'll say for me I have no use of 3 stock Marshall; I am a sound chaser.
Godt forår, Johan
Thanks Steffen! Yeah the amps should indeed be customised to the player. Have a great Sunday!
Johan you should do a video about 100W 1959 with only two EL34's vs 1987X like 50W vs 50W. I have not seen any videos about how 1959 sounds with only two EL34's in 50W mode. If you do that video then do also how you do it.
Interesting! I actually thought about that yesterday!
I would also be interested in this. If it is technically safe to run the 1959 with just 2 power tubes, and what sound difference it makes.
It changes the output impedance if you do that. Maybe we could try comparing that with the tone you get from a speaker cabinet mismatch?
@@hoboroadie4623 Yes. This is what i found from internet: Remove the two middle power tubes and set the impedance selector to half the impedance of the cab.
Pros: very simple, and costs nothing. You will need to swap the tube pairs round every so often (every hundred hours or so of use is plenty) or they will wear unevenly just because two aren't in the amp, but apart from that there is no increased wear on anything, in fact the amp is under less stress.
Cons: doesn't reduce the volume that much (only 3dB, barely noticeable by itself), doesn't sound quite like a 50W Marshall, and doesn't even sound quite the same as the full 100W one since the power supply is now loaded less heavily, and you get a flatter, slightly harder sound.
Amazing how much difference there is between 3 amps that are only different on their wattage. Are they all wired the same ??
I have a Sv20 but I do like the 1987 more out of the three.
I use a cheap bugera attenuator to tame the volume and get my gain out of pedals. Love it, plus I have a usable loop at house volumes. Great job as always Johan!!
Thanks! The SV20 has a very different architecture than the others
i like the 50 watt X amp best hear. 😊
Nice KISS "All American Man at 9:50 😁
Thanks! Killer Paul Stanley riff!
I use my SV20H with a Princeton Reverb in stereo. It's unbelievable. I'm merely a bedroom warrior though.
Density is exactly what I was looking for. The 20 sounds little bland. The 100 is the dope amp and complete undense.
I remember the 70s and 80s when everyone thought they needed 100 w to play clubs. lol, anyone can play loud but you're not in the zone till you got the tone!
I'm not surprised but I like the 100W the most
Thanks Ben
Johan, marshall god!
Cheers! 😉
Alas, I’m sticking with my DSL20hr. But I’d love an old superbass….if I had in isolation room.
My favorite will always be the ‘76 JMP 2204 (non-cascaded).
Interesting, I have never played one.
@@JohanSegeborn it’s darker and has got less gain than the cascaded version (so it sounds MUCH better with a rangemaster than the cascaded) but also the 2 inputs can be run at the same time since they’re parallel… you can do some very interesting things with an aby box and different pedals in each input.
My choice is 50W. It's not a matter of power, it is a matter of bandwidth/EQ/tone. The 20W lose some bass and the 100W it's too much bass. Bravo Johan, very scientific!
Thanks! Glad to hear that!
My 1959 has no bass hardly at all. I'm using it with an old 410 celestion cabinet which should have plenty of bass.
my neighbors like my 100 watt Marshall amp - they say they can hear it well despite their hearing aids 😂 Marshall JCM 800 (1959)
Hahaha! Not built for living areas 😂
I don't know why but my favourite is the 1987X.
Thanks Daniel
I’m still rocking my csjtm145 from anderton’s 1w in my basement lol
Cool! Glad to hear from you man!
I owned an original 1959 between 1990 and 2000 approximately. It sounded majestic and I even enjoyed other guitarist playing it when I took it too a jam night once.I sold it for £750.Big regret.
Yes
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All of it. All the time. 🤘😛
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That had to sound killer in there!
Thanks, it did!
Well, THe answer is all. All the Marshall. Actually I think you really just need the old cabs and speakers.
Hi Leif! Yeah most of the tone is in the old Greenbacks