Here Comes the Boom! - Shogun Season 1 Eps 4 Reaction
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- Jay and Adam react, review, riff, and rate the fourth, heavy artillery, episode of Shogun.
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The English cannons were smooth bore, but had a longer barrel making them far more accurate at distance than the same period cannons used in Spain/Portugal/France.
Dutch cannons!
It was the advancement of gunnery mathematics and the geometry of war that took English naval warfare to the next level in Elizabethan times. Hence you see the Anjin using his piloting skills, education and tools to make the Dutch ship cannon more effective and accurate.
English Cannons! He set sail from England and joined up with the Dutch Merchant Company to fight the Spanish & Portuguese.@@MrTAT275
Yup!
Wow. Jay actually kept his eyes open during the canon scene!
22:57 Jay makes the slow turn to discern what Adam means with his "study buddies" reference. That look is everything!
I'm not saying that chain-shot would have been that effective against infantry and cavalry on open ground.
I am saying that the nineteen cannon from William Adams's ship loaded with naval chain-shot and the 500 muskets that also came from his ship are definitely credited with having a huge bearing on who became the next Shogun in actual Japanese history by credible historians.
Jay out here single-handedly supporting the NYC messenger industry.
it isn't so much the cannon as the technique and usage. The Portuguese and Spanish had a different culture then the English in terms of cannon usage. The English accepted the fact that it is a much newer and better way to do naval combat, using longer cannons to improve accuracy and getting much better at naval gunnery. The tool he used to aim the cannons, while not that much of a thing remembered, is quite the difference, among other things. So the English was just built different in terms of naval combat.
Edit: the best show case of this is like stuff around the Spanish Armada, where the English lost no ships, but the Spanish lost 44 ships.
These cannon are also bronze, which adds some advantages to the older iron culverins.
The Royal Navy literally beat what was considered to be the creme de la creme of sailing Navies at the time. No one expected such a huge victory against one of the two European "superpowers" at the time. Spain and Portugal had literally "split" the world between themselves and expected no one to stand up to them.
It's a Dutch ship but perhaps they had English guns. The English had already standardized their canon (caliber,weight,length) which made shots more consistent, also they had developed a better method of making more round(spherical) shot than other countries did at the time.
@@milesbartlett the Dutch were directly supplied by the English, and many English sailors and ships sailed for Holland, as they were the most experienced in naval warfare during this era.
@@milesbartlett Sorry I didn't get back earlier to you:
I believe he said he got the letter of marque and reprisal in Holland but the Ship and crew is English, so its likely from England, insofar they commissioned a expedition along the navigated paths of the pilot from England, but picked up Letters of Marque and reprisal from Holland, because Holland is at war with the Spanish and Portuguese, not England.
Fuji-Sama is not a pillow lady. She is a consort. She has no obligation to sleep with him unless she wants to. She runs his household, plans meals, hires and fires staff, pays workers etc
“This is the culture shock episode.” YOU’D THINK!
Isolation isn't the best word for the eightfold fence. I think detachment would be better. It's actually about extreme emotional self-control.
As I saw someone else hilariously point out: "Wow she just be admitting that she disassociates all the time"
@@mateobarrett6829 This lol. Disassociation with a fancy name.
@@mateobarrett6829Literally the first time I watched this episode, I blurted: "That's called dissociation and I do not recommend." 😂
Show got too real for a minute there lol. (Other than being historical fiction based on true events, of course. 😆)
Blackthorne sounds like Tom Hardy...they have that gravelly voice😊
Listening to the audio book at the moment - I think Cosmo Jarvis may have got a little inspiration from it.
@@davecoz4227 I watched an interview with Cosmo Jarvis and was surprised that this wasn't his natural voice.
Quite poetically both him and Tom Hardy were in peaky blinders
People need to watch anything Richard Burton was in. Both Cosmo Jarvis and Tom Hardy have channeled his voice at times.
@KoiYakultGreenTea damn, that's Barney! I loved his performance in that
The Rifled Cannon did not come around into extensive use until the 1800s. Breech loading cannons (Loaded from the back instead of the front) were not invented until the 1800s as well.
Your “Sigh, clack, pack pack pack” and going through the manual of arms had me rolling on the ground laughing. This History Nerd feels seen.
Breech loading cannon were fairly common, but only for smaller calibre guns, usually deck mounted swivel guns. The charges would be held in something like an iron mug with a big handle, you place it in the back of the barrel, smack in a couple of wedges to keep it in place, fire, remove the wedges and the previous mug/chamber and repeat.
Because of gas leakage and because high charges would probably blow the chamber backwards off the gun its mostly useful for low charge, low range weapons so perfect for a clearing decks of borders or dissuading small boats who get under the main guns angle of depression.
Wiki has a good example if you search for breech loading swivel gun 1600.
Apparently the Japanese had copies of european breech loaders from the early 1500's.
Which might explain why theyre used to low pressure short range cannons and not the newer high quality higher velocity (by 1600 standards) english guns with long range accuracy.
The Spanish and portugese are still in the era of infantry boarding to win a naval action, the English are pioneering the idea of race built all gun fast ships that will devastate an enemy by gunnery.
@@voiceofraisin3778 thank you for the information. This is all very fascinating. I knew about the swivel guns being breechloading, but those were used primarily for antipersonnel and it was my understanding that they were not used for disabling ships. Breechloading light artillery pieces on land and breechloading heavier cannons on naval vessels do not really make and appearance until the 19th Century, at least in Europe. It makes sense about the English pioneering a new approach, because that plants the seeds for their future naval dominance.
I love this episode. This is the episode where Fuji-Sama really starts to shine.
The VisFX coordinator on _Shogun_ is the same guy who works on Amazon's _The Boys_ - it should make SO much more sense now ; ]
Behold, what actually happens when someone gets shot with a cannon. Your solids become liquid.
Chain shot specifically.
@@peepinR Also happens with grape shot, but only if it isn't close. If it's close then you skip straight to aerosol.
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Chain-shot was originally created to tear through the sails and rigging of an opponent's sailing ship. One good broadside could cripple a ship, if well aimed. A sailing ship in 1600 would probably have a good supply of chain-shot in the magazines.
For people who have never experienced an earthquake, I experienced the big 7.something one in California in 2019 and the 4.something foreshock. From my experience, the magnitude 4 one felt like a subway moving underground below you. You’re a little unbalanced, and it’s shaking, but it could be missed in some cases. I’d suspect that was close to what John experienced at a different depth, so the shaking was a bit more prominent.
The magnitude 7 one in California felt like the sidewalk became a carpet with rats running underneath it, destabilizing you. You can stay standing with effort, but the amount of shaking can be impactful.
I have experienced a few magnitude 2 and 3 ones, and they are the same amount of shaking as artillery practice at an army base within 20 miles away, but quieter.
I think it would be practical for them to carry messages and packages away from the body given they're running so fast and probably sweating. The last thing you want is your message or your package to arrive full of human body sweat. Aside from the ergonomics 😊
well, guys, you've seen the emergence of fuji with this episode
The show is on Disney + in Canada without commercials. Shouting “Commercial!” during the watch-a-long has been very helpful. Thanks!
It's on Hulu in the US without commercials
Adam seem to be remembering something from high school history class. However, there have been many uses rifling in weapons before the American civil war. The War of Independence, for example, had many American volunteers using the Kentucky pattern rifle, copied from the German Jagers rifle. Due to the decentralised nature of their production there were variants with different names and a diversity of specifications.
Rifling in hand held long guns was first used, by Europeans, in around 1520. This was an evolution of the German practice of using crossbow bolts with offset leather fletchings that caused the blot to spin. The cannon John is using are not rifled, as far as we can tell, they are just longer barrelled which is a different way of making them more accurate.
The fellas might enjoy reacting to the Sharpe series, which stars Sean Bean and follows a unit of British riflemen in the Napoleonic Wars.
you are thinking or a Triumvirate which is a council of three people the most famous in history being the one between Julius Caesar, Pompey, and Crassus in 60 BC Rome, and a Consort is more akin to a wife.
I recall when my Japanese mother-in-law fed me natto. She did make it clear it was optional. Then the whole family stared at me, in case I exploded fom both ends, or something. My reaction was something akin to Blackthorne's.
I once tried to get some at a restaurant in the US.
the nice waitress told me that I did not want it, and she refused to order it for me 😅
she was prob right
Blackthorne was on a ship where theyve eaten the leather handguards off the equipment, the water was green before it ran out and the rats ended up as main course.
His standards are probably a bit broader than most peoples.
@@voiceofraisin3778 It would've been a hell of a time for it to turn green, iirc most potable water barrels on ships were still mildly spiked with alcohol, weren't they?
Yes you are correct - Sama is only for high status folks like lords/ladies. San is for everyday folk
I remember that earthquake. I was living in Virginia, near Roanoke at the time and, because I worked third shift, I was asleep. I woke up to rumbling, thought it was an 18 wheeler driving by, and went back to sleep. When I went to my kitchen later, I noticed a crack in the kitchen ceiling running from one corner to the light fixture. I found out from my coworker later that night that we'd had an earthquake.
I’m so glad you are covering this! It is so inspiring. This is such a good story!
Stunt Performer for the cannon shot here:
it was practical @pReview'd
Holy crap. Thanks for letting us know. That must have been quite a day in set!
@@pReviewd it was a couple of days haha, we got some BTS and rehersal footage i can send yall if you wanna see the process
It always surprises me when I get reminded that some people have never experienced an earthquake
There are occasional earthquakes in England but they are usually small, only sometimes strong enough to be felt, and they usually occur in the west of the country whereas John is from London in the east.
At around @11:15 “Strut that runway Mama.”😆 Fuji is one loyal 🔫toting consort badass.
Nice reaction Adam & Jay. I’m a born & bred NYer(I think you guys are in NY?👍😉) who is half-Japanese through me Mom’s so I grew up with Japanese culture in my household. Anyway, Japanese culture as you are probably aware is obsessed with politeness, etiquette, decorum, honor & duty. They are still very much pillars of Japanese society even in modern times but you’d imagine that it was taken even more seriously in the 17th century. Fuji doesn’t know Blackthorne yetbis duty bound to be loyal to him unconditionally. Of course this was an actual time when women were second class citizens as well. So glad they’re being brutally authentic not only with costumes, customs language, & even gestures but also with the hierarchical levels of society from feudal lords to peasants & from men to women. Fuji is still a girl boss without imbuing the values of modern society on 17th century anachronistically in the show.
I mean we know it’s all so seeped in culturally that if you commit a social or moral transgression or faux pas even, it could mean self-deleting. It’s not like it is just forced upon the transgressor either as these norms & values are so strong an individual cannot even live with the shame & dishonor so death is the better alternative. Obviously this is too severe & flawed as we believe in forgiveness & redemption however flash forward toward modern times. We could use some of these values now as we see so much moral decay & societal deterioration. Many people these days seem to lake an sense of basic decorum of propriety & there is a complete lack of shame, respect, accountability, integrity & honor. Our modern society has a lot of individuals including some of those in power or high positions could use a heavy dose of learning what it means to have respect, decorum, & integrity while getting harsh lessons on accountability.
The two most extreme earthquakes I experienced were one of the typical shaking ones in Palm Springs, and one of the rolling ones-like the land moving in waves-here in Washington. The latter was much more terrifying.
The Japanese at this time would have had experience with the matchlock firearms of the Portuguese, and the earlier fire lance weapons of China and Korea. The culverin type of cannon they would have been shown by the Portuguese were notoriously inaccurate, and the earlier bombards of China, Korea, and the Mongols used stone shot, and all types were very slow to fire. There wasn't rifling available for cannons until the 19th century. What is different about the Dutch and English cannon is that the ones we see here are made of bronze. The look much fancier (having intricate designs), and are able to be fired more rapidly (and less prone to explode compared to the earlier types), and they're easier to manufacture. The English at this point were extremely experienced in naval combat at long range, as the Spanish and Portuguese ships were typically bigger and had larger crews, and typically could fire their ships' guns 2-3 times faster than their Iberian enemies, and more accurately.
14:19 you're slightly wrong. Earthquake did happen in Europe but nowhere near as common as Japan. There was an earthquake around this time that took out Lisbon, Portugal. Italy has Mount Vesuvius, which erupts every now and again. But you're right about England. It's pretty tectonically stable. Blackthrone has probably only heard of earthquakes for other sailors and in books. As an Anglican, he would have read the Bible, which has plenty of stories involving earthquakes.
PS As a Californian, it's just another day for me except if lasts more that 10 seconds.
8:23 Jay pretty much has it. But to go into depth, from highest and most formal honorific to the most familiar:
Dono/ Tono: Mi'lord or Master. (only towards a superior) ie Toranga-Dono
Sama: Lord, Lady, or Sir ie Anjinn-Sama
San: Mr or Mrs/Ms (formal speech used in a professional manner) ie Daniel-San
Sensei: Teacher or a specialist in a field such as Doctors ie Miyagi-Sensei
Kun: buddy (masculine) ie Naruto-kun
Chan: use for girls and young children, i.e., Sakura-Chan
Another fun video. Shogun feels hard core. I love it.
Portuguese probably never sold the Japanese the most up to date cannon, likely didn't bother teaching Japanese to use them properly either.
This is very likely. When the Portuguese arrived, their muskets were matchlocks. And that is the pattern the Japanese teppen makers used all the way until the big "modernization" reforms in the second half of the nineteenth century. As seen in "The Last Samurai".
The Portuguese not only had inferior cannon to the long-bareled English guns, but also had probably not done any "demonstrations" for the Japanese for quite a while.
We have the occasional earthquakes in Europe, caused by vulcanic activity, but they are mostly very small rumblings. Down in Italy they get once in a while bigger ones . but they also have big active vulcanos down there. Not shure if England has quakes, too.
As someone who lived in Japan for 3 years, can confirm: natto (fermented soybeans) is vile. And while it _could_ be an acquired taste, a small amount at a time was enough for me, and definitely not whole bowls of the stuff which is how it was often served. Combined with seaweed it's a... strong... flavour for sure
@16:19 Foreshadowing lol
They super spaghetti’d those guys in SUCH a way
Earthquake foreshadowing?
The cannons are all smoothbore (no rifling). But afaik English naval cannons at the time were standardized, hence their range and cones of fire were fairly predictable and more accurate from a distance.
Wasn't he piloting a ship for the Dutch VoC though? Dunno if that would've made any difference.
@@Farsythe They most likely would still want to use their own weapons in case something bad happens at sea. Learning to use someone else's guns -- especially if they're made using different standards of measurement -- could get quite expensive. Best to just use the gear you're trained with I suppose.
@@Farsythe Dutch Cannons at the time were on par with the Brittish Naval cannons the cannon here look like Bronze cast Culverins.
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Thanks, Jay! Thanks, Adam! 🗾 Frederick E.O. Toye directed this episode.
This episode is very CANNON!
Cannon Regiment Train Completed
1:40 the word you seek is triumvirate.
Here comes the boom!
❤️❤️❤️ Fujisama 🩷🩷🩷
Posted 1 minute ago. Just in time ;D
Edit: Man I love this show so much, it's so good.
According to the BTS, the cannon scene was all CGI, including Jozen’s amputated arm.
Mr. JAY-san and Mr. ADAM-san , you guys are my 「SHOGUN🏯」, dude🌷🌿🌠❤🎉
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Incidentally, as to the cheese beans, they are called 「NATTO」納豆なっとう☘
Romans had tribunes. Tribunes sometimes sat in judgement on tribunals, three might have been normal but was not definitional. Like everything else the word comes down to us in English as well as Latin based languages.
at last, you're on The Ride. enjoy, it keeps building n shifting. oofah!
there are pretty big earthquakes in europe ;) i don't know if in the uk, but surely on the mainland...
Yeah this show’s so good. Reminds me of GoT in its heyday😁
You guys need to google “what’s on the end of your stick vic” all will be explained 😂 no censorship needed 😊
It's always the children overreacting and starting wars. In this case it was a necessary action. That study buddies discussion was hilarious.
In the books it is guns not canons that are used. I have no idea why they changed it.
In the shogun universe, This episode is cannon.
My understanding of the whole 'was she gaslighting?' scene was that Fuji and Mariko agreed to send a courtesan to spend the night with John as a gift, but then Mariko went in her place, but Fuji is still under the impression it was a courtesan and so not party to any deceit
As someone who not only read the book but has seen the 1980s version, you are mistaken. In the book and in the 1980 version, Mariko does not claim that he slept with a courtesan, but with her maid, whom she anointed with her perfume. He knows that it wasn't her maid. In fact, the whole household knows it. It's just a convenient lie that everybody agrees to say. There's no gaslighting whatsoever.
no this is wrong and its unfortunate this is so upvoted and affirmed. You don't need to read the book, listen to the official show podcast or go to the official website that has an episode summary for each episode.
lil boom, BIG sploosh!
Not sure if yall have picked up on the language yet. The English we are hearing is actually Portuguese that they are speaking. Obviously as the viewer it's English!
I had natto in Osaka, as part of a traditional breakfast. It was literally the only food I did _not_ enjoy there 🤢
This is getting a 4 out of 4 blood budget horses
Book readers: plz tell me fuji and john gonna do somthing. Im invented in them more than mariko
I'm not sure if it's Trevor or the fact the guy pissed on his head. Probably both.
Cover the Natto in peanut butter, then Adam will eat it.
WHOOO
Really missed the opportunity for an 'in-box' joke about the messages
Yup, good call.
I hate to break it to you, Adam… But every episode is a culture shock episode
These guys spend so much time looking at each other they are missing most of the show
I thought tribunal meant three judging. Who knew 3 had nothing to do with it 🤷🏻♂️
I beleive that -sama would refer to someone of a higher rank/station than you. -san would be to someone of similar rank/station. As the gardener is of low station, he would get no honorific, simply his name
Close but not quite right for the period. -San is a more recent evolution, more informal than -Sama, but for the period -sama would cover both uses.
Uejiro being a gardener is almost certainly what today would be considered burakunin, an outcaste.
@@davidribeiro1064 thank you for the clarification. I'm only going by the novel, but it's well known that Clavell did insert a lot of modernisms that are accurate today, but would not have been at the time. I know for the series they've employed experts in Japanese history to correct these errors
@@davidribeiro1064 would burakunin be above eta? I know they performed tasks that were considered unclean like butchery and tanning
Directly from Latin tribunal "platform for the seat of magistrates, elevation, embankment," from tribunus "official in ancient Rome, magistrate," literally "head of a tribe"😉
And originally there were three tribes and three tribunes, so in a roundabout way he was right all along!
Traditionally the first three Roman tribes were created by Romulus, but the etymology of tribe which is tribus, may derive from three parts, or from the people as a whole.
Shogunfu?
"You were sleeping with your pillow lady" is best line I've heard this week.
"...well they want war because they think it's interesting" - perfect observation 10/10 history points
I find BOTH of your inability to properly demonstrate loading of a flintlock rifle DISAPPOINTING .
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My assumption is that they'll catch up on those later when the series is close to its end. They're covering a LOT right now.
@@heltaku9397 then I won’t be watching then, im only interested in current reactions
Great episode but think yous missed half of this one whilst talking into each other's eyes lol
You are not reacting to Shogun season 1 episode 4. You were reacting to Shogun episode 4. There will be no other seasons. This is a standalone book. And since it is based on actual historical figures, as well as the fact that the author is now dead, there's not going to be anymore.
Also, how do you guys keep adding more numbers to things? There are two Christians on the council, not three as you suggestion in the last video. They are not down to four people on the committee, but noun to three. They were four with Toronaga. I'm starting to think you guys struggled in high school math even more than I did.