The Last Remnant (Remastered) - A Forgotten Classic JRPG
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2019
- Some thoughts on one of my favorite JRPGs - The Last Remnant, which has been recently "Remastered" for modern consoles. I own the switch version. It's a great game, why do journalists not "get it"?
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I wish lost oddysey was remastered as well
Its backwards compatible on Xbox one, and not terribly expensive on Amazon if you wanna play it again. However, I too would like a remaster (and switch port)
That game was way too hard for me I never finished it
Agree. Background music..i can listen to it for hours man
That'd be on Microsoft to remaster it since they own the IP
THIS IS IT! i totally confused these two games and when i realised it wasnt i couldnt for the life of me remember the name of lost oddysey, thank you!
This game was drastically underrated and didnt get the shine it deserved. The difficulty of some of the bosses like the fallen when I first encountered was insane... I enjoyed every moment of this game
For me, the forgotten classic Jrpg was Vagrant Story. It had some good mechanics, decent enough story, but it was its timing that hurt it. For those who don't know, in Vagrant Story you played a "Riskbreaker". The more or longer battles were you built up "risk", which you could unleash for varied effects depending on your weapon, level & the thing you were battling. However, if you built it up too much, then it would harm or hinder your character in some way. You could have weapons tailored to specific foes, so a sword for for humans, a spear for dragons, etc; & the more you used those specific weapons vs those foes, the stronger said weapons became against them.
The game came out literally on the same week as the PS2 launch (it was a PS1 title). If the game had been released one month earlier or later, chances are there'd be a Vargrant Story 3 or 4 by now.
EDIT: To you comments on the 23:00-ish mark. While I still occasionally buy AAA western titles, they're not even close to my favorites anymore. The AAAs are barely on my radar. I look to studios like Larian, Obsidion & InXile (Yes, I know that the latter 2 are now owned/"partnered" by/with M$). I'm very keen on BG 3 from Larian (Disclosure, I was a Kickstarter backer for D:OS1 & 2 from them).
Yeah western AAA titles aren't even on my radar anymore. Maybe CD Projekt Red, but are they even western?
@@DVSPress I tend to think of them as such. When I think "western" RPGs: I tend to think of RPG titles like "old skool" party based titles like Balders Gate, NWN; but also single player 1st &/or 3rd person games like the Bethesda Fallouts, & Witcher series.
When I think "Eastern" titles/Jrpgs, I think: Ni No Kuni (if you're a Studio Ghibli fan GET THIS TITLE), Dragons Dogma, the "Tales" games, & Dark Souls. They're (generally) more about the journey, then the end goal.
While not a "tried & true" differential, that system tends to work for me.
Vagrant story, what a game that was. Played it on the ps1 years ago
I loved the first 4 hours I played vagrant story.....I remember old ps era...twisted metal 2 with my friends no minion rule
I really like this notion of of "indirect exposition" which I never really could wrap my head around. To this day, I absolutely adore RPGS with intricate worlds and characters. Despite this it is an absolute chore if a game just dumps an insane amount of exposition on every new character or town that you meet. It goes so far that I just won't play anymore. A non direct approach seems always more intriguing than having characters be walking lexicons and history books.
You know what's really forgotten? Resonance of Fate. It's also ported to the PS4. Try search for its review within the last year on youtube, there's literally NONE.
i like that game but its just so long and nothing happens. theres nothing to pull u thru story wise
Game is so hard that nobody bother with it.
Awesome game.
Loved it from the moment, that I saw a trailer for End of Eternity back in the ps3 days. The remaster was in instant buy for me
Thank you for mentioning this. TLR has been languishing in my Steam library for years. I will make it a priority to check it out.
There are also lots of guides in the steam community. Nice community of players who have figured out the quirks of the systems.
@@DVSPress I am roughly 60 hours in and enjoying TLR. Thank you again for the recommendation or I probably never would have loaded it up again. I am depending quite heavily on the Steam guides and the (excellent) wiki page but now understand what I'm doing about 80% vs. 15% when I started.
@@DVSPress hi good youtube video . i have buy the last remnant remastered (ps4) and the last remnant (xbox) . i have outher role playing games for playstation and xbox
Thanks for this video, David. I wish I was as well informed about this game as I am now after watching this when I was thinking about buying The Last Remnant. Next time I won't hesistate to get it.
I’m so late to the party but I absolutely adore this game. It’s rare to find people like yourself who loves this game. I think back in the day when it came out for XBox 360, they needed a flexible engine to develop games in a quick time table. They did the same recently with FF7Remake I believe which again is odd when they have their own in-house tools.
Its my absolute favorite game. The combat system is additive as hell ^^
I love this game, still playing it time to time , it has one of most addictive battles system I ever saw. I love it .
And one 9f misunderstood game of all time
Jrpg’s, my fav.
Check out the “Tales” series, great anime jrpg line.
_Tales of Vesperia_ in particular is fantastic.
Yep, it was my 1st Tales game on the 360. I was peeved when I found that Pirate Girl wasn't in western version even though her code was partially written in. When the Definitive Edition came out I was more then happy to get it again, just to see what she was all about.
I've actually never played one!
@@DVSPress Tales of Vesperia is my 1st Tales game & the one dearest to my heart. They have the definitive edition that now includes Pirate Girl, who wasn't on the original western (Xbox 360) version. Tales of Xillia was OK, I wasn't keen on the 2nd.
As is standard Jrpg fare, expect to grind.
Quality video and explanations. Thanks.
I’m glad we’ve gotten The Last Remnant and Dragon’s Dogma on the Switch. I wish I had FFVI too.
Now you have it ;)
I remember my older brother playing this game when I was a kid and the game always seemed so insane. Not because of the gameplay or story or anything like that. But simply because the game was separated on like 8 disk.
Guilty as charged: I bought this game when it was relatively new and I dropped it immediately because the combat system was a complete mystery: the one thing I remember is that I was asked to choose melee or magic and then the combat would resolve itself. I'm sure you have input on other factors that influence how the combat plays out, but it simply wasn't what i was looking for, especially since the characters and story didn't seem to do much for me either.
I just brought this game looking forward to playing it now we just need a legend of dragoon remastered and life would be set.
I'm replaying this and I can see why this game didn't take off. The level scaling of the enemies is not clearly defined. The morale system is still mysterious and while the individual stats of each character lead to more personality, it's not intuitive to how you build your team. How does one character's "love" affect my union in battle?
Very nice video, David. I'm a new viewer that came here off a Reddit link. I'm a big fan of Kawazu games and have been putting off repurchasing TLR on Switch because I have it on PC already. Your video rekindled my interest in the game and I have decided to pick up a second copy to move it up the queue. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! I don't usually visit reddit so I have no idea what people are saying over there.
Great review 🎉
Damnnn, truly a classic. Will pick it up on the playstore soon. Thanks Stu
This was one of the first games that I bought for 360. Caedmon and Torgal were my favorite characters. I installed the remaster the other night and I’m going to give it a go again after many years
Probably the best video on last remnant out there, im going to purchase the game again, this time for the switch!
I remember playing this when it came out and I got my ass kicked so many times I had to quit but I think I’m gonna give it another try.
You actually don't have to fight everything. You can skip most mobs if you try, and the game won't get harder as a result. So if a monster annoys you, you can usually skip it.
Great video, I just finished Torna the Golden Country and need something new
OMG I finally decided to finished and still have hungry I will play again, I didn’t finished is because Is so enjoyable
Are you a fan of Unlimited Saga for the PS2?
This was great to watch.
I look forward to giving this a shot. Never tried it back at its original release, but I have had the Remaster downloaded on PS4 for some time. The FFXII comparisons intrigue me, at least in terms of aesthetics. Other aspects of this game, based on your review, give me Valkyrie Profile 2 vibes.
I've always wanted to play that game.
i have always LOVED The Last Remnant. So dang underrated. Personally, its in my Top 5 for best Turn Based RPG games. And it is just the right mix of difficult and fun.
"You should get better at playing games." Friend.. There is another way to say that. You are allowed to say it. Dont feel awkward about it. Ill say it with you: "Git gud."
Lolll
So my issue with this game was when i played in on x360, there was horrible graphic slowdown. It was still playable, but the battles were REALLY slow and laggy...
Anyone know if this has been improved or fixed in this new version?
It definitely has been fixed. No more texture popping like on the Xbox 360. Runs very smooth but not a smooth as the PC version
@@DVSPress Awesome, gonna pick it up on PS4, thanks for the review!
oh man,it was damn amazing,nothing similar to this day.
I think the late 2000s was the peak of gaming but we didn't know it yet.
I has so much fun worth the PC release of this back in the day. I'd keep my BR as low as possible until I recruited Hinnah, Hannah, etc and then power level skills on that lonely green dragon in the swamp.
After that you're pretty much a force to be reckoned with, but I enjoyed how challenging it was to get to that point, some dancing around quest lockouts aside
Also, I really think the 360 release hurt this games perception a lot. It's been a long time so I forget the laundry list of differences, but I remember comparing my experience with the PC version to that of a friend who had the 360 release. It was clear that that the 360 version had a lot of issues in comparison without even looking at those awful load times on console.
I agree the flaws of the 360 version have hurt perception. I really wish that somebody would follow this game up with a similar battle system, maybe with some of those kinks worked out.
When it was on steam I bought this game as a gift but never redeemed it so it's still in my inventory to this day unclaimed!
Still not on Steam, & no hope of it coming as far as I can tell.
Have you played or thought of playing a JRPG for the Xbox 360 called "Lost Odyssey", created by a lot of the people who used to work on the old final fantasy games (and even had the same composer do the OST). It's a very classical game in regards to its gameplay, going for a 100% classic turn-based combat (not ATB or real-time element), however it amps the difficulty and strategic elements up a bit compared to those older games (for instance it expands upon the "back row to take less damage" concept by making the front row act as a damage guard that can be depleted and replenished). Fairly linear but feels very engaging and interesting.
The story is great too, and there are extra little "visual novel" esque "dreams" that expand upon the backstory of the main character and are great little short stories in their own right (helps that they apparently got an Japanese short story author to write those short stories for the game)
Yeah this was a good game, felt much more Final Fantasy than anything after FF12. Also, Blue Dragon is made by the same studio, with DBZ artist (same guy who illustrated Chrono Trigger), and was also a fun game.
I am really going to try to commit to this game. My main motivation is FF16. I am very excited for that game. It is right up my alley so far. And since TLR has the same director as 16 (and TLR being the only game he has ever directed for) I am very interested in seeing it through to completion. But There is a lot here that I also really enjoy. The FF12 aesthetics which I am really fond of, and I think the idea of the battle system is really cool.
I played this game when I was younger, but I gave up on it due to not understanding the battle system, and the world not being as explorable as say FF12's world. But I am much more open to the game world being like it is these days, and I am way more commited to learning now. I am very curious.
I love this game. Played it countless times. The quality of the graphics are still amazing considered it came out more than a decade ago.
Is the story any good?
@@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness Pretty good.
If it was smart about it's difficulty I would agree, but just because something is hard doesn't mean it's good, having random unfair tactics and simply giving bosses ridiculous health bars isn't good game design
Love this game man it’s one of the games I bought when I got my first job I was so happy with my first paycheck I drove down to GameStop and just bought a ton of games haha good times
Cool video, I'd never even heard of this game before. Hey btw, I remember you mentioning that you had a dedicated gaming channel at some point. Can I get a link to it so I can sub?
This game is also on mobile. I am playing it on Android and the controls are actually good. The price is a little high, but it was worth it.
Picked this up on a whim one day when I was at EB for the 360. Despite the awful frame rate, couldn't put it down. Found out the PC version was better, and bought that too. Probably my most played game in my steam library, and will have to do another playthrough of it eventually.
4 years still no pc version
I like your hot takes on the gaming industry
The defining feature of the 360/PS3 era is the major push into online console gaming, so of course Japanese games not named Street Fighter went to the back burner.
jp voices are actually the dubs, not the english. the game was made for westerners as you said.
the slang is also very western, but some of it is more typical in other English speaking cultures that isnt NA.
i love this game, i was a completionist about it, but like you mentioned, my BR became too high despite really working on my unions and i couldnt beat the Seven. the game became unbeatable. the game is beautiful, the character designs are very nice, i think its better aesthetically compared to 12 (i really dont like 12), the world/environments are beautiful, and the OST is AMAZING!! i listen to it on its own, and its on equal if not better standing than FF ost. i think this game is better than some Final Fantasy games in general. TLR is, despite its major setbacks, truly one of the best RPG games that SE has ever released.
I LOVE this game, but you are right I total forgot about this game
I have never heard of this...
Video games are a niche market. JRPG fans are a niche fandom within a niche market. Popular games are typically simple and stripped down.
It's why people talk about FFVII so much but only FF fans know the others.
video games are not a niche market anymore....if video games are niche then so are movies since video games are a bigger industry now.
Video game industry is larger than the film and music industry combined
Everyone ready for the "games need a easy mode" bs when Elden Ring comes out
definitely
I rather enjoyed it back in the day but it had a few areas where the difficulty curve rises sharply.
Played it every day for a month doing everything
Remastered? Wow I'm just playing this on 360 always had it but never played it.
I have it on PC through Steam. It feels like a good game to me.
Jimmy Strudel It used to be on steam.. But Square Enix delete it for some reasons..
Calling this a remaster is totally not a stretch and completely valid, they even upgraded the engine from UE3 to UE4, how many remasters upgrade the actual game engine to a more modern version that didn't exist when the game first came out? It's a remaster, not a remake, most remasters just upscale the resolution and frame rate and call it a day
Loved this game, but a bit disappointed with the ending. Far better than many FF titles. I won't say how many hundreds of hour put into this one.
Wtf. I didn't know this came out on the Switch and PS4 and I really follow games.
Can you add chapters to this video?
11:06 this is rough.
14:15 the visuals are why I remembered the game and am here watching this video.
23:12 urgh...
I can add chapters.
Just a FYI the footage is from the original PC version (will probably look better on modern systems, etc.)
its not forgotton lol. theirs people playing it today. including myself
I started playing this today 😂
I played it on 360 then on PC then on ps5 lol. Did a low br run and defeated the Fallen at br10 😂
Oh and the OST is AMAZING.
12:45 : we can still byu it on the square enix website ^^
One thing to keep in mind about mainstream game journalists is that half their loyal audience is probably of below average intelligence. And the remaining half definitely is.
The point has never been to provide content valuable to the gaming public, but rather to keep the reader occupied with overly dramatic nonsense like what TMZ or the Inquirer spews out on a daily basis.
JRPG games been telling people to get good since snes and beyond
Game journalists tend to write for the average gamer. Most gamers aren't masters of games and don't have the time to just "get better". A challenge is good and has it's place, but easier settings don't diminish anything. It makes more sense from a business standpoint to add easy modes to games. More people playing = more copies sold.
Anyway, this game looks kind of neat! At the price on the switch, I may give it a shot.
I got this game on my switch last year. I love it but its so hard lmao
Awesome game! Worth every penny ! almost 90h of fun 😎 if u like jrpgs and turnbased combat system
it has the best ghraphic i ever seen on mobile but i feel the combat system is a little complicated.
it would be better if it was turned based rpg
I dont think it was the game journalists' fault entirely.
I bought the game, tried it and found it very confusing before giving up.
It might be that the game is great for some people but I think that its a bit of a very niche thing.
Well riding a bike, or driving a car or swimming are all difficult until you learn how to do those things. Id argue the best games are the ones that ask of the player to get involved and learn how to play BUT its the games job to get the player intrested in learning, its the best way to teach! Your favourite teachers in school probably werent the ones that had you follow along in text books, they were the ones that did unique things to entertain and teach at the same time.
I love this game.
90% battle
The voice acting is what kills me on this game
I remember there was a problem with the graphics. It was too much for the xbox360.
This review caught me off guard...I keep forgetting how eclectic this channel can be. I'm personally a huge Final Fantasy fan and was a bit disappointed by how Final Fantasy VIII is being re-released and is being paraded as a Remaster, when all they seem to be doing is changing Squall's player model beyond recognition (looks more generic now) and butchering the game's base mechanics with trainers. Also, any thoughts on the full-blown E3 gameplay reveal for the Final Fantasy VII Remaster?
On a side note, can we look forward to a Toy Story 4 review? There's been a lot of positivity surrounding the film but I have the feeling that none dare to give it an objective look into its merits in contrast to the three previous films. I'm wary of all things Disney these days so I'm still cogitating whether I'll go see it in theaters.
I probably won't be able to get to Toy Story in a timely fashion. Life with an infant makes movies pretty difficult.
the one thing that bothers me is the fact you pretty much get punished for grinding
Yeah and they really should explain it better. The point is so that you don't have to feel like you need to grind, you can just play, but lots of people are going to come in with some JRPG assumptions.
"Western game journalists dont understand how to play games"
The same people who pine for easy mechanics and try to hide behind the disabled
The same people who couldnt pass a cuphead tutorial in the time it took a pidgeon to solve a rudimentary puzzle
Im positively shook
Ironically these are the same people who moan about final fantasy xiii's and xenoblade chronicals 2 extensive tutorials and wonder why we dont get more jrpgs
This man right here speaks the truth
its gameplay is confusing as hell but the graphics are great
I kind of ignored this game despite the fact that it was already suggested to me by some jrpg fans, I guess I should hope for its return on Steam. :D
If Square's history is to be taken into account it will hit steam later this year. At that point the new PC version will of course be the "best" version. I bought my copy on sale for like 20 dollars back in the day. Rarely do I get that kind of value anymore LOL
Take it from me if your hardcore gamer, your gonna enjoy this
the game design is similar with ff 12 and 10 specially the character david looks like tidus 😉
Holy crap he does. Now that I think about it... A lot of the beastfolk look like the same ones you'd run into in ff12
The Last Remnant is the true FF12,(Lost Odyssey being the true FF11) and FF12 should be 13.
13 is 14.
The MMO's should've never been called mainline numbers!
Lost Odyssey! If there is one RPG that needs to be ported off the 360, it's that one.
Saying it's a stretch to call it a remaster while showing the old version, I don't care if it is on PC, while playing the Switch Version and all SORTS of credibility spilling mumbo jumbo. The PS4 version looks FAR better graphics wise, along with the creature comforts You at least spoke on but duuuuuuuuuuude relax a lil bit
I appreciate that, at the very least, a remaster will allow me to play an old game on a modern TV, without awful pixelization that wasn't there on old TVs.
I thought the English voiceovers were awful, just like most JRPGs to be honest. I love this game but I'm sick of hearing "lets kick their A" and "lets do this".
the English voices were the original voices, not JP.
Game journalists are bad at games. I suspect that it's because they grind through games because they "have to" finish a game before reviewing. Thus, games that reward skill or thoughtful planning get panned for being too hard or grindy.
Rush was a deadweight.
I love this game and have gotten 1000gs and I'm on my way to a plat trophy, but in all fairness the 360 ran like absolute aids even with both discs installed. But the music is great and the FF12 esque visuals were great
western game journalists don't know how to play games other than basic triple a garbage that has been releasing continuously for like a decade or something like the cod franchise.. We need gamers for game journalism not some one who can string a few words together..
The games good doesn't really hold your hand all that much but just helps push you in the right direction by giving you the info you need without it being too much and a drag like xenoblade chronicles II or whatever it was on the switch where its teaching you stuff pretty much throughout the entire game.. This game is quite easy and fun to get into just later in the game you can find yourself hitting a wall after one particularly huuge battle that goes on for ages like its just an insane war.. From there you need to go some where before you can really progress but it doesn't really tell you anything and its where i got stuck (on the pc version i had it on disk).
I saw it in the e shop so been tempted by it.. I don't have any turn based rpgs on my switch im not really into them but i liked this game on pc so thats why im here to see what the whole remastered one is
If you have the PC version, you have the best version, in my opinion. The remaster doesn't gain all that much visually on consoles.
Honestly, I LOVE the story-line of many JRPGs, but exceedingly despise almost all forms of turn based combat because it just destroys my immersion, which is one reason why The Witcher series is my favorite game series, combining both and amazing story-line, with action combat.
To be expected of modern game urinalist ...
It’s technically a remaster of the original Xbox 360 version, meaning it runs and looks better than Xbox version. Classic PS1 Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 9 on current consoles are pretty much the PC version with tweeks to menu and other things.
Anti aliasing on switch is worse than PC. - Captain Obvious moment. Switch is portable system. It has a mobile SOC similar to what you see on smartphones. Switch has been out for a while and it’s SOC wasn’t cutting edge when it was released either. It’s not like Nintendo wanted to sell an 800 dollar device. It would not sell.
Besides when gamers say PC is better they mean Gaming PC with fast CPU and GPU. Try playing games on a laptop with only an Intel Integrated GPU and see how well it runs.
I've never completed a from software game.
They are AMAZING games. I'm just not good enough.
Games journalists are rhe worst
The whole thing with the game jouranlists bugs me. It's like they took some random Joe shmoe from there office with little to no knowledge of video games and told him to cover games. It's like if you don't want people shitting on you for your reviews, then assign game journalists who actually play and enjoy video games
I find the game to skip on a lot of explaining to be honest. I’m currently playing the game on an iOS device, currently at Elysion now, and, yeah, sure, they do explain the battle system, but they skip on everything else though. They didn’t really teach you how different formations really works on a battlefield, they don’t explain what the hell classes are, what weapon wielding differences are, how exactly the game chooses what commands to give you during battle, what do each stats means to your character, etc. They really do don’t explain a lot of the stuffs.
I’d say, I’m siding with the game journalists for this. They really do skip a lot of explaining. These journalists aren’t people who don’t know how to play a game, they just play the game blind without a guide or walkthrough. You probably can just power through the game just randomly mashing buttons here and there and you will eventually beat it, but the fun is gone because you don’t even understand the full extent of what’s happening in the game.
This game is nice but the battle takes soo looong
Never got the chance to play in 2008 because it was a Xbox exclusive and I hate Xbox so this remaster for PS4 is perfect for me, had to do the same thing with tales of vesperia, these developers obviously realized making their jrpgs an Xbox exclusive is a horrible idea, Xbox is for western shooters, Nintendo is for cartoony kids games and playstation will always be the home of great japanese games, and why does Xbox fanboys always talk about halo, don't they have any other exclusives that aren't shooters?
Wait... you’re playing this on the Switch? No wonder you think calling it a “Remaster” is kind of a stretch. You’re playing it on an a console that doesn’t have near the graphical power nor that processing power that the PS4/PS4Pro or XB1/XB1X does. It’s kind of a self defeating point in this case.
All they did was port it to unreal 4.
So it has better lighting and shaders. That's it. You can look up the differences on CZcams for any platform you want.
@@DVSPress thats very good as unreal 3 is notorious for being dodgy on console
PS4>Switch easily
Ps Vita > all
Who are these game journalist that sucks at games? I call them, lazyness. 😄
its not Forgotten its just MEH at best
The problem with the last remnant is that it's main character and story is awful. The gameplay is the only good point it has and many don't understand it. It's really not my favourite jrpg but i did buy it up again for something to do with the updated pc version on the switch until Fire Emblem three houses comes out. The slow down mechanic still grates on me when trying to train enemies for high chains.
Very much looking forward to three houses. I also like Japanese Rush more than English Rush, but he's a Connecticut Yankee and an everyman - he comes off as a fool most of the time.
@@DVSPress I don't know anything about Japanese Rush if he was presented differently i might have a different opinion of that version. I find a number protag's around that time annoying/stupid. Like Tales of Symphonia 2's for another example though it's been awhile since i played it. When I've been playing last remnant recently i've been wondering if the developers had trouble deciding who the main villain was going to be. They spend a long time being all mysterious. Is it the zhuge liang esque guy? Is it the wierdo Heir guy? Is it the 'conqueror' who very much sticks within the confines of the title as far as i can remember and have seen. Obviously it's conqueror but i don't really know anything about him at undelwalt other than he seems to know more than everyone else and is the last remnant equivalent of the terminator. Maybe it's partly my fault this run because i've been low battle ranking much of the game and only up till the fallen did i really rack up the battle rank to beat him. Which means story progression has grinded to halt from like Battle rank 25-48.
If they released another game in the vein of the last remnant with more unions I'd be all for that. The less well known classics i would recommend that come to mind are Suikoden III and Saga Frontier 2. Also Ark twilight of the spirits.
FFXII? OMG Basch outfit 🤮
You don't like Basch's outfit?
This game is dumb
Unfortunately, the remaster is completely useless considering it never came out on PC, and is already obsolete on consoles.
Still playing this game