NO TILL GARDENING~How I Did It & So Can You!
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- So how did I create a large no till garden space once we moved up to our mountain top farmstead? Easy. I tell you how and
you can do it, too! Enjoy & thanks for watching! xo
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Two years ago, I used 4 mil black plastic (doubled) and the grass was still growing. I turned it with a shovel down about 3-4 inches and mixed in some organic material. The neighbors were amazed at how much stuff I was growing because it was hard pan clay under the grass. The second year was even better by adding more organic material and some used potting mix... Just bought a house and will start a new garden plot over the winter.
Patara you have such a beautiful garden & your view is gorgeous !!
Girl! Are you shaking that " Momma Finger " at me again ?! I love how excited and expressive you are.
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Thank you Patera, I have been following you for a while silently. The information you put forth is priceless! I do live on the Washington coast. My conditions are very different. Besides, I live in the middle of a tiny town. My goal is to tear up this grass and have raised garden beds.
This is how my Mama always cleared areas for gardening when I was a kid! Thick black plastic. Worked a treat every time.
Hi Patera, I thought I'd tell you what I did: We got some heavy plastic from a local farm, maybe other folks could do this too. I'm sure it's at least nine ml. Here in our area, some of the farmers store their silage, or winter feed for the animals, in a huge heavy tube in the fields. It looks like a giant white snake or something. It's probably a big enough tube that you could drive a small car in it. The inside of the plastic is black. So when we went for a load of manure, the farmer also gave us this plastic. Here's what I did with it. I laid it down on a patch of grass and piled my weeds that I was taking out of my garden on top of it. (Yes I had tons of weeds, tisk, tisk.) Anyway, the weight of the weed pile, which has stayed wet and muddy, weighed down the plastic, killing most of the grass (more weeds) underneath. I lifted up the corner as far as I could with the heavy stuff on top. There is not a sign of anything green or even brown. THERE ARE ROOTS though!!! There are long white roots that are the size of spagetti noodles. Everywhere they can, they will put out a new plant every inch or so. So when I get around to it (someday), I'll move the stuff on top and take a garden rake and it will be a much easier job to rake out those roots. That's what I'm thinking.
Incidentally, the plastic by itself didn't kill anything when we just weighed down the edges. I think the weight of the stuff on top helped to smother everything. It might work better in the south where the sun is hotter.
As for cardboard under my BTE wood chips, It doesn't kill the weeds like the plastic does. But if you're not in a hurry, earth worms LOVE cardboard--I'm told. And I think it slows the weeds down better than the chips alone. Personally I would never use the chips without cardboard. I've also done a heavy, heavy layer of newspaper under the chips, but that requires sorting and organizing paper.
I have used a heavy duty tarpaulin cover tarp will do the same thing when laid out on the ground in the sun ,does great job .
Man I absolutely love you! I just watch justins video and I fell in love with your little patch of heaven! And your great southern hospitality. You've got my support. I've subscribed and I'm gonna like your videos everyday!!!!
OH girl we bought a double wide trailer house and when they delivered it in two sections each side was covered with this really thick white plastic, that after they removed it and I told them to leave it here for me. They were surprised but left it for me. Originally I wanted it to cover the greenhouse we had to move out of the way for them to move our home in. Now I am using that plastic like you to smother grass around my property and garden areas. So yup it works well. I do I like cardboard and magazines too. thnx for sharing
I've heard you can get some heavy stuff at the lumber yard that has been used to cover pallets of lumber. I watched someone on CZcams cover a small outbuilding with it.
I've also heard you can buy rolls of Tyvek. I assume it's the same stuff. It's intended purpose is for covering houses before they put the siding on. I watched someone use that stuff for making a waterproof and windproof cover for a sleeping bag.
I feel ya. I have a riding arena. Stop dreaming make it a reality. Your view is amazing. Great advice. The back to Eden garden is the stuff. Make the garden burst with life. Thank you.
Another great video, I just have a little backyard garden, but whenever I have a question, guess who I turn to? Yes, you, love all your tips, thank you!
Just found your channel, and really like your enthusiasm. I've also been doing the black plastic all over to start a new garden area that was totally wild with weeds and english ivy. Next year my soil will finally be improved enough to have a garden. It's been a two year project just to get it all started. Black plastic is the way to go. I occasionally remove it where we are going to garden to add coffee grounds and compost, let it rain on it for a few days and then put it back. The worms are moving in and improving the soil.
Looking forward to your channel!
That 9 ml is NO joke! Wow! Love that, thanks for sharing
Where were you able to find yours at?
ml lol
No kidding I have some 6 and some 8 mil and it works wonders.
As a young lad I took care of Grandpa's 16 acres complete with just a 1/4 acre vegetable garden, 400' of hedgerow and 250 show homing pigeons. Well you're right, I got to clean out the pigeon coops every February on a WARM day and spread the spent straw and manure on the garden along with about 500 lbs. of limestone. Then I turned it over with a garden fork -- pleasant work when Grandpa had been doing it for more than 30 years and cleaned the handles of his tools with OOOO steel wool and boiled linseed oil twice a year - who needs gloves! In the fall after I raked 2+ acres of leaves, these were piled up on the garden and burned. Planting was easy, we used a one wheeled "tractor" (one boy powered) with a shovel to create shallow furrows. In went the onions, potatoes etc. and then move over one row and plow again to cover. Once more in the summer to hill and that was it. All the waste went into the compost pile which was about 40 cubic yards and active enough to digest a skunk in six months. This was the source of my "wood chips". What the heck nobody chipped wood 60 years ago!Of course then I grew up, got edgicated (it did not include spelling!), married and bought my first house. And I put in my first garden AFTER I tilled the ground. Stones, after tobacco, was the largest crop in CT! I added about a foot of horse manure (nobody told me how inefficient they were with their food) and grew a beautiful garden of weeds! The second year I added just a foot of straw and occasionally pulled a weed when I felt so inclined. Now retired with a BIG back and leg problem, I have a 1/10th acre most of which is becoming a flower and rose garden. 2" of wood chips in the spring, 1" in the fall and weeding if I happen to think of it.Not much has really changed - compost with whatever you have.Thanks for the videos. In three weeks or so my daughter is moving from MS to TN. Beautiful place to live and we almost moved there to follow my ancestral roots but I have a daughter close to us. The NE corner of TN is beautiful!
Before my recent heart attack (thanks genetics), I tarped (cheapo tarp) my backyard, as I was going to expand and redo my beds this year. Every single time we've done it, even with the cheapo stuff, the weeds went away and the grass came back (not complaining - at all - as the Johnson grass was gone) - thanks bermuda - but we are in the burbs - so it'll work for that.
Holy cow I know this videos from like 5 years ago but I've watched I can't tell you how many of your videos and this is literally the most yard that I've ever seen in any of your video since I started watching you got an absolutely beautiful view
The no till garden looks ,fantastic. My new favorite way to garden. My yard is hard as a rock.
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Thank God I found you, and thank you again for all of your genuine knowledge, it will certainly be passed on to my grandchildren and hopefully theirs as well. Your very informative, Please continue and be mindful some of us are newbies to all that your teaching.
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I LOVE the 9ml!! My garden has never done better than the year we used the plastic. Going back to it next year.
very informative! I have a large space that im currently mowing.. I'm going to give this a try. thanks for sharing
way cool that's my plan. Thank you for confirming that I understand good enough to proceed.
Oh my GOODNESS ur views are outstanding love ur land and what u have done with it hardwork & lots of sweat how GORGEOUS
Thanks for the tips Mrs Patara!! Always a pleasure!!
The riding ring sounds dreamy
Wow! What a view!
Thanks Patara, I am actually going to use plastic to smother out weeds and grass. Wasn't sure which ml. Haha, I'm sure you will have your riding arena! Bless you for all your help!
Very good. We use bricks or logs around the edge so that you can have the full depth of mulch right to the edge. It helps stop the weeds creeping in from the outside. They can be easily moved when you want to expand the garden area.
I was thinking about do that because I have to wait on my dad and his tiller. I'm going to save up for that 9m plastic now! Thanks a lot!!
Beautiful garden and wonderful tips! Love that view!
I also mowed and covered my lawn with a large metal sheet but still great results!
I see your vision Patara!!! Love it!! 👍
"Capichee?"Darlin, you made me laugh and inspired me to get outside and get at it! Thank you
Yes ! From a retired horse trainer that still has horses and a little Tennessee homestead ! Build the arena or a training ring round pen
They have multiple uses : )
More great info :-) It's nice to listen to someone that actually speaks the truth and knows what they're talking about. We can all gain so much knowledge with just a little bit of trial and error. How else you gonna learn? "Capichee?" :-P Thank you for sharing your tips with us :-)
That view was stunning!
You make it look so easy soon as I get some land I'm on it
Awwwww, that view is gorgeous!!!!!!
Thank you for the video. Very informative. We just bought another home in VA and since it has no established garden I tried my hand a container gardening, UGH it was a fail. Too much water, not enough water, too much sun, not enough sun blah blah blah blah blah . Up at our home in PA we have been straw bale gardening for the last 6 years. We have had great results every year so I think I will go back to that here in VA next year. However, I will incorporate the use if the 9 mil black plastic, also. I really already miss my garden and can't believe I have to go through a fall and winter till I can plant again. I have never done a winter garden. Not sure really what would grow here (most northern point in VA) but I am thinking on it =) Best Blessings, Lori
I love your honesty
Love the view!
Thanks, sister, lots of great advice!
Beautiful garden Patera..
Keep up the good work girl thanks for the tips
Great video! We're in Almost Heaven, WV and we have not-so-heavenly red clay. We're amending it with yard clippings and mostly wood chips. I definitely want to get some 9 mil. Do you put it on late fall...? After you get all that goodness on top of your garden?
Thanks for sharing! Blessings❣️❣️
When I learned about the no till method, It felt so natural to do it this way. along with living cover crops. still due to weeds, I'll be putting stuff along the edges and trying more mulch(hay,leaves, chips) to keep out the grass/weeds before going to the beds. also raising them a little bit. what do you do for softness of the soil like for root veggies? I'm considering doing both raised and no till rows for this reason.
Please keep us updated on the wood shed! Great video, Great advice!
We must get R done!
Enjoyed your visit with Justin Rhodes and came here to learn from you too.
The Back to Eden guru - Paul in a video showed that he actually poured concrete along one border that had a lot of trouble. I think it was about 8-10 inches wide and deep. He just used the soil as the mold.
If I'd done it 20 years ago it would have been fine, but now I don't know how much longer we will live here.
Awesome looking garden....I need to find a source for getting more mulch...my garden looks like a jungle! Lol! Thanks for sharing.
Oh this is a much better idea than what I had in mind! How far in advance would this need to be done before it's ready for planting? I suppose I may be able to rent a sod cutter, but if I can skip that step (and expense), I sure would like to.
So, the 9ml is entirely removed at planting time and replaced with deep mulch? No burning holes and planting through, correct?
Thanks for sharing!!!
Love your post
About how far apart do you put your watering spike-bottle thingy's? This is my first year with BTE, everything is trial and error, but loving it.
Patara : I AGREE with you, I was considering cardboard, but , have decided not to use cardboard !!!!
you can get billboard free its very heavy plastic.
I used cardboard, it worked fine for me, my expectations were realistic though...which helps. Also, for those who want to try this method as cheaply as possible, the cardboard was free xxx
Such great info thank you! Did you say riding ring?? I have a round pen that I built for less than 100.00 love it!
I did. ;-)
Oh My, SO SORRY for that, my husband saidya did too, after my fingers flew! I do appreciate ya'lls videos.
Im in NC too! Im in the Triangle area. Im looking for a piece of land for rent to own . Just 1/2 acre or an acre. I need to get out of the city. Hello neighbor and thanks for the tips.
Thanks for the video. For some reason, you have uncanny timing me posting your videos. We're in our 3rd year of doing BTE gardening. This year has been the best. It just keeps getting better and better. :D We're doubling the garden this year and going to start this week for next year. Should be nice since it'll be baking all summer. The amount of cardboard we'd need is ridiculous. I like your idea better. We have a bunch of those blue and camouflage tarps. Do you think they'd work as well or not thick enough? We have enough to put on a double layer.
We surrounded our garden with railroad ties and that eliminated the weeds creeping in on the sides. Awesomeness.
I don't know if y'all have this problem where you are, but I am in an unending battle with slugs and snails. We're trying the nematodes this year, but so far, not much luck. How do you keep snails/slugs from making a home under your compost? Ours burrow so deeply into the soil, I wonder at this lasagna/back to eden style gardening.........
No till , sounds good to me !
Nice!
beautiful Location!
I set my tomatoes out the first of June. I live in Southeast Tennessee. Do you think they will set fruit before frost? They are beautiful but still small plants with no blooms. These plants are indeterminate Thank you.
I vaguely remember you talking about tilling one of your garden beds after you'd been mulching and adding stuff for several years. It may have been after you added some more good 'stuff' and decided it would be a good idea to mix it all up and level it off before you started with the wood chips.
If that is the case, in retrospect do you think it was a good idea, bad idea or neutral? It also could have been partial good/bad/neutral.
Yes, ma'am. I did 3 years later because we were having the septic dug and I was considering a large hoop or greenhouse. I was then able to locate my source for wood chips. This Video is about my original start. Not what I do now. The wood chips are my massive mulch cover to where I'm not using the 9ml there now. Hope I made sense. ;-)
Hi Patera, Wondering about the aqua cones you mentioned in your video. I clicked on the link in your drop down box and read the reviews but was a little dismayed to see that some people said they are not easy to get on the bottle and that the water just runs through them all at once. Could you address this either in comments or maybe a short video? Thank you so much. Your view is spectacular!
Lumber yards. You can get the tarps they wrap the lumber in. Affordable solution
Does it have to be hot/summer for the tarp to work? Or can it sit all winter and have the same effect
Any corn pile out in the country is bound to have thick plastic silage tarps in their trash. After storms they rip off and get thrown out. I got thousands of square feet of the stuff this year and i didn't get all of it.
Shoulda put more hay over the wood chips yo stop weeds. Great work!!!!!!!
This method works everywhere just FYI..... Even up here in Canada.
How do you keep it like that during the growing season?
Do you ever have an issue with termites and the wood chips? that is what im afraid of.
I'm talking with a billboard company to repurpose their vinyl covers to use for this and other landscaping homestead projects. I'll let you know if they charge for it and how much. Also, how much or the size and thickness of it after get it. It's great to repurpose and recycle. I also get my chips from chipdrop.com some of you might could use this site. You can choose what you get, they also drop off log sections for splitting wood....again you can tell them what kind of wood/chips you won't accept. So free is me. Hope this helps somebody.
Do you use newspaper in the layering?
Nice. That looks doable, quite doable to me.
so lemme get this straight , you put black 9ml first then put the straw and oodchips on top, or do you put the black 9ml , which kills the grass and then put the wood chipes etc on after taking the black taep off??im confused!
AngelTashaUK No. I built all that and let it sit under that 9 ml ALL fall/winter/spring. It helps to compost it!
Appalachia's Homestead with Patara thank you for clearing that up for me, much appreciated.
Newspaper and cardboard also works but you must overlap overlap poverlap
Thank you girl. By the way, cardboard contains plastic. I'm surprised it has a good reputation for covering ground. The cardboard plastic does not all lift off like plastic sheeting such as you use. Some of it goes into the soil
Hi Patara, I the Homestead conference going to be in the same place in Crossville Tenn. as it was last year and I understand it will be on May 5 & 6 2018 and when can we get tickets. Susan and I are pre planning to be there bot days and are working on our one year work and travel schedule. Thanks Paul & Susan North Georgia
Tickets will go on sale this fall once we work the details out of now a two day conference. xo
Ive been using tarps and cardboard to block the creeping weeds on the parameter of my garden and just move it every few weeks to a new area. Hope to kill the dang Bermuda grass!
It's the devil! Haha!
ArmindaHeart grass clippings high enough and long enough kills anything
Hosoi Archives NOT Bermuda grass! That stuff climbs through anything. It's rhizomes are deep in the dirt and it especially loves mulch because it is so easy to grow through.
Same way with our quack grass and crab grass. One or the other of those makes terrible, painful sand burrs. Read above how I covered the area with plastic, but I found that it helped to weigh down the plastic, which not only blocked light, but smothered it, not letting it get any air.
Yep! I weigh it down with boards. It does the job.
Great spot to ride! Did u get a horse?
'balck 9 ml' the ml is short for millimetre. In Australia we pronounce 'ml' a mill, like flour mill.
In the US plastic thickness is measured by mil or .001 of an inch. In the southern states we try to pronounce it like mill but it comes out as meal. =)
Can anyone share where I can get my hands on 9 mil tarp??? I can't find anything more than 6 mil!!!
Does the plastic have chemicals in it?
what if u let the chickens clear the grass would that work :) :)
Did you pull up the black plastic? Thanks
YES. The black plastic was only on top OVER the whole garden space during fall, winter and early spring.
Where did you get the plastic.
You're a gritty little woman.❤
What is with all those bottles?
Riding ring: DO IT!!!!
I don't like cardboard either
Patara, honey you gonna have to quit waving your hand around so much. My eyes follow your hand and lose focus on the project. Lol I love y sweetie!
Cardboard would bring in more earthworms, they love cardboard.
9mm is 1/3"..and ml is a measurement of liquid .wake up America!!!..should have changed to metric when you had the chance..