WAS A PRIME MIKE TYSON OVERRATED? 🤔 | EP22 | talkBOXING: The Q&A with Spencer Oliver & Carl Froch
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These two with their back and forth is brilliant. Makes a nice change from Simon Jordan not letting Spence talk and just belittling him the whole time. Also Froch's gag at the start about the Wembley fight, brilliant 😂 Clearly knows people laugh at him for talking about that
Can't fkin listen to Jordan's coke - speed 'estuary' accent (he's been caught out on video speaking totally posh 5 years ago, lol).
These two together needs to be new regular thing. Brilliant viewing
Hope he keeps ripping Froch. Part of Froch doesn't like it and you'd think he'd be able to have a joke, despite the fact he has progressed in that aspect, minimally.
@seanmcauliffe6735 I think they're brilliant together. Don't really get it on CZcams. Spence and Simon Jordan is a bit one way conversation wise, these two are knowledgeable, have good chemistry and have first hand experience to back up their opinions. Quickly become my favourite boxing content, tv or CZcams. Whether you agree with him or not Froch's don't give a f*** attitude is refreshing. I used to find it hard to warm to him as a fighter and a pundit (even though I enjoyed watching him do both), I think I misread him a lot. He's funny, and at ease with himself enough to take the piss out of himself. Love having him on talksport. Need more like him, and least he has the history to back it all up too
@@seanmcauliffe6735disagree, froch can take it and he's a brilliant presenter..Besides why should he have to take anything
Show some respect lowly dog!
Better than listening to Jordan's coke - speed 'estuary' accent (he's been caught out on video speaking totally posh 5 years ago, lol).
@@jamesieco-de2000 yeah mate I agree, Froch is very welcomed as a pundit. I just enjoy him getting bantered as it annoys him and his ego a bit. That's all.
Definitely overrated. That isn't saying that he was anything other than outstanding but he gets put on the biggest of pedestals that he doesn't quite deserve.
7:54 absolute class from Carl , picking joe or Lennox , just shows he knows how great both boxers were .
It's kind of the obvious answer though isn't it? I mean who else is there who could rival those 2?
@@joewhite22Audley Harrison?
@@jackhumphries6687
Leave Audley alone he's never hurt anybody in his life
@@EireannSpeaks😂😂
@@joewhite22 I meant for the fact he picked Calzaghe considering their rivalry .
No one ever mentions Jimmy Wilde when talking about the greatest British boxers. Which is a real shame, 131 wins 3 losses and 1 draw, 98 wins by ko. Not a record that should be overlooked, one hell of a fighter
It’s an outstanding record but with zero footage it just gets forgotten. The sport has changed a lot from pre war and post war, and it changed a lot from the 80s to now.
It’s unfair to rate fighters from different eras because there’s a load of factors to consider
These two are a comedy duo 😂😂 Froch " I thought you were looking for your medication " 😂😂
Firstly, what a great show and amazing chemistry between the two of them. Froch has recognised the ego comments over the years and is playing the pantomime villain well with a glint in the eye and Spencer is just wonderful. I was lucky enough to meet Spencer at York Hall and he a top lad. For me, Tyson is a true great and should be recognised as one. It was a sad story of too much too soon and peaking early. He was that good (85-88) he blew everyone away in front of him. The sheer fear and aura he brought to the ring (maybe not with the legendary Ribalta!) had beaten everyone before they had even started and a Lewis or Holyfield then, (IMHO) would have gone the same way. The poor preparation, complacency and outside influences led to the Douglas defeat as he was in the mindset of just rocking up and winning. Now Douglas was much better than the journeyman figure he was portrayed as at the time and he himself also succumbed to the 'I've made it now complacency' before Holyfield dismantled him, coming in many.....many pounds heavier for that fight. We can all talk about if, buts and coconuts and for the non-Tyson fans, they can rightfully point to those defeats against the next era of greats and question his status amongst the true legends. I can assure you he really was a once in a lifetime fighter and a true great who was corrupted and ultimately beat himself.
Well said. If you lived through that era, there is no doubt in your mind about his greatness. Tyson was something unique. No body can compare - one of the best heavyweights of all time.
Very good heavyweight but came unstuck against the best who weren't afraid of him.
At no time in his career would he have beaten Lewis without a lucky punch.
He also never beat any guy who beat him.
I disagree slightly. The 86 to 89 Tyson looked unbeatable.
But then I think about what Tony Tucker managed to do.
And he was no Lennox. 😂
@markkofi8522 looked unbeatable against bums....amazing how his fantasy peak ends when he stepped up and stopped fighting bums...
Didn’t look unbeatable when going life and death with journeyman James Tillis in 1986!! Many think Tillis actually beat him.
Always interrupting spence
Between 86 - 89 tyson fought, no one spink wasn't a geniue heavyweight. Tyson was very overated take a look at his resume say it all.
These guys are absolutely perfect for eachother! Froch is lovely, despite being full of himelf (I'm a huge fan, BTW)- he's ironic with it/knows he's a bit bigheaded. Frigging hysterical together and one of the few boxing chats I'd like to sit and watch for a good hour or so.
Yeah m8 I totally totally agree 👏🏽🖐🏽👍🏽
Q: SHOULD BIVOL AND BERTIBEV DROP THE WBC AND FIGHT TO SHOW THE FIGHTS ARE BIGGER THAN THE BELTS? everyone would know the winner is undisputed and wbc will hate to lose there %
Spot on
So much better having boxers on this podcast rather than Simon Jordan.
Need Simon sometimes, numbers man init, but he does get irritating
@starwarsroo2448 numbers man? He's a bankrupt ex carphone warehouse owner 🤣
@@billdoor3140 I didn't say he was a good numbers man
@starwarsroo2448 oh sorry you meant numbers. Yes Jordan is a outrage culture salesman like piers Morgan. But I think even the casuals are starting to understand how limited his actual boxing knowledge is
The only Tyson that’s is overrated is Tyson Fury.
Rent free.
@@showup001. It's True though.
@@showup001. Fury fanboy alert! Lol, commons sense evades you.
@@CNS1908he lives in that little head all day my boi
@@BlackWolf-el3gu your bum sore?
Luv froch’s banter he’s always about the laughs
So glad you came to that decision, there has only ever been 1 Mike Tyson
And 6 times being knocked by all the guys who were in the top 15
Froch lecturing Spencer on the dangers of weight making. Classic Froch 😂
He isn’t, he’s explaining to the viewers.
So happy froch is giving Calzaghe the recognition he deserves
People forget Calzaghe was great start to finish.
06:52 Totally agree. The Berbick fight and the WAY Tyson dealt with him is highly underrated
I don't think we ever saw Tyson at his peak. He was coming into his prime then he went off the rails...had he remained with Rooney and stayed dedicated I think his peak years would of been around 24 - 27 but he was locked up at that time.
100% true!!
You know what diminishes his legacy? Making excuses for every loss or misstep in his career, dude had a handful of losses, mostly later on, but his fanbase is constantly making excuses about " prime Tyson" and he didn't train in the 90's or he was partying when Doulas battered him.
@@starwarsroo2448 He had quite a bad STD when he fought Douglas and said he felt like his balls were on fire.
@@Bacon4Rashers f sake here we go, you think Lewis or Holyfeild or Ali was never sick or hasn't slept or was drunk during a fight, get over it
@@starwarsroo2448I agree with both sides, the excuses are a bit much but when you think about it Lewis, Holyfield, Ali etc completely dedicated their lives to their craft to be as a good as they were, Tyson was on a mad one half the time and cleaned out the division🤣
Tyson vs Spinks. That was peak Tyson. Absolutely terrifying.
Mike Tyson vs Frank Bruno 1 was.
@@aryan.4855no the spinks fight was the best Tyson ever was going to get. Tyson got rocked by Bruno in the second round so no spinks was his best performance
Spinks was terrified of him. He'd lost before he even got in the ring. What happened to this imaginary "prine" vs Douglas? 🤔
@aryan.4855 he beat Bruno more easily in 94. Wich kidda disproves all the fanboys fantasy prime nonsense. He simply fought elite boxer's and lost.
Spinks was coming up from light-heavy (175lbs) and wasn’t even a big light-heavy either.. I read that Mike weighed 190lbs at 12 years old.. so mike as a literal child weighed more than a fully grown Spinks.. that’s like fury beating Andre ward.. Mike gets way too much credit for beating Spinks
Carl is so funny, these two hit off each other so good. 😂
Spencer loving the chance to get his opinion across
How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson?
By Frank Scoblete
30 January 2000
Now that Mike Tyson's career is almost over, it might be of interest to take a cold hard look at just how good he was at his best to get some idea of where he stands in the rankings of the great heavyweight champions.
It is not a stretch to say that much of the fearsome Tyson persona of a decade or more ago was media hype and was little related to what he actually accomplished in the ring or against whom he accomplished it.
We can make a case that Tyson fought "never-wases" and "nothing-lefters" in his early career culminating with his knockout over an intimidated former light-heavyweight champion Michael Spinks, whose only real claim to fame was "winning" two controversial decisions against an aging and distracted Larry Holmes.
Other than the light-hitting, terrified Spinks and the out-of-shape, intimidated, comebacking, former great Larry Holmes, who did Tyson actually fight in his pre-prison days who was truly any good in absolute terms? If we measure competition based on who Ali faced, then who of all Tyson's pre-prison opponents was as good as Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Joe Bugner, Mac Foster, Floyd Patterson, Zora Foley, Cleveland Williams, Jimmy Ellis, Bob Foster or Ernie Terrell, not to mention the awesome likes of all-time greats Sonny Liston, George Foreman or Smokin' Joe Frazier? Would you classify Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick or Frank Bruno with any those other fighters? Only if you never saw them fight!
The only real fight the pre-prison Tyson ever had was against the only decent heavyweight fighter he fought, a determined, well-conditioned Buster Douglas -- and Tyson was roundly beaten, battered and knocked out! That was Tyson in his prime, against a fighter who went on to "extinguish" himself by being knocked out in three rounds by Evander Holyfield.
If the pre-prison Tyson's boxing worth must be looked at with some skepticism, then the post-prison Tyson must be looked upon with scorn. Often in boxing, the true greatness of a fighter is not actually known when he is in his prime as he defeats opponent after opponent rather convincingly. It is only after he ages, slows down, and gets himself into wars are we aware of just how good the fighter is -- and was!
Certainly that was true of Ali. Before he made his comeback from an almost four-year forced layoff, there were all sorts of questions about his ability. Could he take a punch? Had he been beating up washed-up fighters? Did he have courage? Would he dog it if he were ever in a real fight? The layoff slowed Ali down, made him more vulnerable. What's more, great fighters appeared in that time, fighters better than any he had previously fought!
So a somewhat diminished Ali met each and every challenger -- starting with a comeback fight against highly ranked Jerry Quarry and then a second fight against vicious number-one contender Oscar Bonavena. His first career loss to Joe Frazier in his third comeback fight proved he could take a punch and that he had mountains of courage. That fight was the first of several "wars" Ali would fight in this second part of his career.
His next loss was to Ken Norton. Fighting 11 rounds with a broken jaw, Ali merely proved again that he was as courageous as any fighter who ever lived. His great victories against these very same fighters and his upset win over the god-like Foreman, showed what a great fighter he was -- and how much greater he had been before his layoff!
Not so with Tyson. His "layoff" was heralded with a return to the ring against a rank amateur, Peter McNeeley, whom Tyson "destroyed" with a wild flurry in round one. This same McNeeley was later knocked out by the bloated Butterbean in one round and has since lost just about every real fight he's had! And what of Buster Mathis, Jr., Bruce "I was knocked out by a gust of air" Seldon, Francois Botha, or Julian Francis? Are they credible opponents? Only if elephants can fly.
The only real fight the post-prison Tyson had of any significance was against Evander Holyfield, who was selected because he appeared to be a shot fighter, having lost two out of three to the disappointing Riddick Bowe. Had Tyson known that Holyfield was not a shot fighter, but actually the only great heavyweight of the 1990s, I'm sure he would have selected a different fighter to beat, perhaps a third go-round with the overrated Razor Ruddock who proved himself a worthy Tyson contender by being knocked out in one round by the otherwise cautious Lennox Lewis.
So here we have a very simple yardstick for measuring the greatness of Mike Tyson. He fought two hard fights, one pre-prison and one post-prison -- both of which he lost (subsequently, he ate his way to a third loss and fouled himself into a no-decision). The rest of his victories, pre-prison and post-prison, were over fighters who couldn't make the "C" list during Ali's tenure. So where does that put him on the list of all-time greats?
It doesn't. He doesn't belong. He's not even in the top 20!
If you think of the very few good heavyweight fighters who have plied their trade in the late 1980s and 1990s, it is a short list: Evander Holyfield, George Foreman (oh, yes, the Big George who fought Holyfield would have rocked Iron Mike just as he did Smokin' Joe), Riddick Bowe, and maybe Lennox Lewis and Michael Moorer. Tyson only fought one of them, and lost. The others he avoided.
I do not, as some writers do, lament the fact that Mike Tyson never lived up to his potential. In fact, I believe he did live up to it, fully, completely. His potential just wasn't all that great and that's what he became -- not all that great.
Total nonsense mate!!! You.sound like a very critical hater
100% correct but the "in his prime" delusional fanboys won't agree lol. They bizarrely believe a HW boxer peaks aged 21-23
Lennox was the greatest British boxer I’ve seen. Prime Tyson between 1986-89 was devastating.
Lennox is the greatest boxer I’ve ever seen at heavyweight. As much as the likes of Ali, Foreman and Mike Tyson are glorified, the best version of Lennox would have dealt with the best versions of all 3 of those guys.
@@lordfarquard9902 you may be right
Tyson won the World title in 18 months and was 20 years old for me Underated
With Conor Benn now cleared, TalkSport have lost 50% of their weekly content 😂
Great little interview that. Enjoyed it
No, in his prime he was unstoppable and then became undisciplined.
Casual
@@HuwEvans.Why do people throw that 'Casual' tag when they don't agree with someone?
Such a lazy response.
I understand what you mean. Had Tyson stuck with Rooney and kept the discipline, it's hard to see Lewis or Holyfield beating him.
@@markkofi8522 Casual
@Leviathan123456 for me Tyson was at his peak during the mid to late 80s.
The Spinks fight was tysons pinnacle, what he did that night was truly exceptional ...
90 odd seconds and destroyed him
That ko over pinklon thomas
@@brucemedley635 yes, that as well... tough man pinklon Thomas.
I have to say I do love Carl. Straight up guy
The Mike Tyson that had cus d amato in his corner was unbeatable. Only Lennox Lewis could have beaten prime version of iron mike.
Lennox was a brilliant heavyweight but he could be caught when he had lapses of concentration. 86-87 Mike Tyson lands hooks on 92-95 lennox. I think it would be a similar fight to Ali ,Frazer 1
I have high regard for Lennox, but I think Tyson at his peak walks right through him.
@markkofi8522 the same tyson Douglas beat up? Look lads boxer's don't peak aged 22. You're talking absolute nonsense. When tyson stopped fighting bums he stopped winning. Oh and ffs cus did very little of tye actual training! He had coaches do that. Teddy atlas trained mike tyson from 13 years old and has spoken about how they knew Mike couldn't cope even in sparring against opponents who wouldn't let him walk through them. They hand picked his opponents pre Douglas
Mike lost fights under cus dmato.. several in fact.. in the amateurs !!
@billdoor3140 Mike said in his own pod cast he was a coke addict by 89, he didn't train properly and possibly never hit his absolute peak. Had he maintained his 86-87 fitness and kept his discipline, Tyson would have destroyed Douglas, it never happened and Mike Tyson spent the next decade unravelling becoming a pale imitation of what we witnessed when he smashed burbick, Smith, Thomas. Tucker gave him a fight but struggled keep Mike at distance, tubbs got demolished, Eastern assassin was old so he didn't count, Spinks got spanked, Bruno got battered. We will never know what could have been, but it's entertaining to imagine.
Notable fighters Tyson fought:
Holyfield (lost TKO, DQ)
Lewis (lost KO)
Golota (won TKO
Spinks (won KO
Bruno (won 2 TKOs)
Berwick (won KO)
Razor Ruddock (won TKO, UD)
List of fighters Tyson did not fight:
Riddick Bowe
David Tua
Ray Mercer
Michael Grant
Vitali Klitchko
Vladimir Klitchko
Shannon Briggs
George Foreman
*Did not ask a revenge match against Busta Douglas
Mike Tyson started the culture of ducking good fighters.
I love the fact that Carl jokes about, but the moment there's a serious point or question, he's right on it. No hesitation in naming Lewis and Calzaghe as the greatest British boxers of all time there,
We can all joke abaaat.
@@theorgazoid9459 Yep but we can't all have a boxing career like Carl's with the knowledge afterwards and ability to talk about it.
@@Hologhoul We can all joke abaaat.
Needs to be longer. But enough of my problems, great episode.
When Tyson had a life and death fight he got his ass beat simple
That's because he was off his face by then Tyson was finished by the mid 90's
@millsy1863 always nonsense excuses. Tyson in 94 against Bruno was more devastating that in 87 against Bruno. The fact is when he stepped upto elite boxer's he lost.
This is brilliant. Carl Froch is absolutely hilarious
10:24 “ you’re always talking about yourself “ 😂😂😂😂
I love the banter between these two😂
Great show!!
When Simon comes back it should be in addition to Carl not instead of
Personally totally fine if Mr Jordan doesn't come back and they just keep The Cobra on full-time.
Was a prime Mike Tyson over rated?? what a stupid question 😂😂😂
Totally agree, they work really well together.
That’s was great, funny, relaxed, informative.
I love watching and listening to you two , just good common sense , and great banter between you both ! You both come across really well , and give us great insight !
Great show lads
These two together are funny , should start there own chanel 🤣🤣
I remember seeing carl at soho london fresh and wild now called wholefoods 15-20 years ago, i am a martial arts trainer and a big guy and he looked apprehesive at me but the way we caught each others glaze u knew he had a fighting spirit but i was unaware who he was
Gay
No, peak Tyson was underrated if anything. An utter force of nature.
Lennox Lewis is THE ONLY HW to be compared to Mohamed Ali…… for movement, skill, punching power and fitness …… and not forgetting that jab …. LL was a class act !
What ??? Are you blind ??? Mike Tyson aged 20-24 was the most ferocious and fastest heavyweight of all time and Ali knew that when Tyson faced Holmes and whispered in his ear 👂🥊🥊🥊iron mike can DEFINITELY be compared to Ali
He was, but he wasn't in Mike Tyson's league at their respective bests.
In my opinion Sugar Ray Robinson and Rocky Marciano have a seat at that table ..but Ali has his own Table and is the the blueprint for Lennox
The Tyson thing makes me laugh. He is in his prime knocking out poor fighters like Berbick, Pinklon Thomas or light heavies like Spinks or aging fighters like Larry Holmes. Yet when you mention that he lost to any decent fighters he fought Lewis, Holyfield etc then that doesn't count cos its not his prime😂😂
@@djbarbergreen3388 Totally agree with Sugar Ray Robinson, pound for pound the greatest boxer of all time, As for Marciano ?? Way to small against LL …. Even Mohamed Ali as HW was under 16St …. LL was near 18st and be truthful LL would have beaten Ali … LL is far to polite to say such a thing but for me LL was a great Champion… many fighters ducked LL even to the point he called out RB for years calling him chicken Bowe …. And STILL he would not fight him ….
I did 10 pounds off the other night with water tablets while I slept and I woke up feeling really ill. That was for a hospital appointment. I had a good reason.
Any more than that, I think is near impossible as I got up in the morning and put on about 4 layers and 30 mins later had to take them off. Even before I got on the exercise bike
I realised that was my lot
How people get get 23 pounds off and put it back with an IV bag. That shocks me
Hope he keeps ripping Froch. Part of Froch doesn't like it and you'd think he'd be able to have a joke, despite the fact he has progressed in that aspect, minimally.
The content was solid though. Froch talking about Rob putting the towel around his face and having different body language is the type of stuff I want to hear. It's a proper insiders look.
I always rated Mike Tyson, but it was disappointing that Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis did not meet when they were in their prime. My mate always thought I was mad to bet on Lewis, but I believe he was the better of the two. Great fighters, both of them.
Lewis was older ygan tyson
@@kerryman9589by a few months
@kerryman9589
Yes, but tyson started his professional boxing career before Lewis. He was the youngest heavyweight. But I think Lewis would have beat him even in his prime.
@@fundyden4771 I agree tyson was over rated don King paid all them bums to fall to boost his profile as soon as he faced real fighters he found it hard to put them away like holyfield lewis he ended up biting holyfield ear because he knew he couldn't beat him.tyson beat fighters that were finished
@kerryman9589
Well, I would not say he was over rated he was a great fighter. But you are right. Don King messed him up as he did all his fighters. Lewis is one of the best heavyweights of all time.
That was great 👍👍
These two crack me up
I think 'best British boxer' was a bit poor. Bob Fitzsimmons? Jimmy Wilde? More recently, Fury? Who did Calzaghe beat who wasn't past it? And Lewis got sparked out twice not concentrating
These comments are very logical and true, I find.
Great episode from Spencer and Carl. Both correct Naseem Hamed trained terribly for Barrera fight. And had lost his hunger for the game. Should have gone up in weight. Should have achieved more. Had no desire to avenge Barrera loss.
Can't help but mention his 80,000 fans at Wembley lol
I like that banter
Glad they got it right. The 20 21 yr old version of Tyson is Top 3 EVER PERIOD.
A prime oliver and the cobra is the only thing we have to look forward to in heavyweight boxing at the moment
Calzaghe one of the biggest boxing frauds ever. Guy ducked every major fight, his only legit win was Kessler
As much as I like Simon with Spencer, these 2 are sharing and talking from experience and expertise. I'd have no problem them doing this permanently.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Q to spencer
Did you have spar Barry jones ?and who would have come out on top if you had boxed?? Cheers
Guy was 15.5stone and 5’11” and banging out 6’3”+ geezers weighing 18-20 stone
Are you on the george groves payroll 😂😂 got to love the cobra
This show needs to be a trio
Mike is the most overrated heavyweight in history. He won his titles from some of the weakest heavyweight champions ever (berbick, James smith and Tony tucker) two of whom he couldn’t even knockout or even down. He’s the youngest heavyweight to lose the titles when he was destroyed by James Douglas age just 23.. he never beat any great heavyweights and was smoked twice by a passed prime Holyfield who was 5 years his senior.. destroyed by an old Lennox Lewis also..
Everyone seems to like Spence! Fantastic show
To the question from Mark Shiteon - "Was a peak Mike Tyson overrated or was he fortunate to operate during a weak period in the heavyweight division?"
Easy to ask that question now the guy has long since retired.
Would love to have seen anyone suggest that to his face when he was still basically a kid at 20 years old, let alone coming into prime age.
These two are great for Boxing... need to have them in commentary together.... then if Spencer gets it wrong he can blame his brain injury..😂
Froch IN Jordan OUT!
Froch his hilarious, proper sarcastic humour, that a lot of people won’t understand.
Hate to admit as a jordan fan boy i only watch these to the end when the cobra is on 😅🍻
Tyson prime was great. Styles make fights. Everyone was examining Tysons style. If Tyson remained unknown and fought Lewis both in there primes, I think Tyson had a better chance. Tyson became too predictable because everyone was analyzing his style. Boxing is about predicting your opponents next move.
After watching the Crawford vs Spence fight. It looked like Bud was the bigger, stronger man. Spence seemed to have poor punch resistance. Would a rematch at 154 make a difference in the outcome?
No. IMO Bud's reach and ability to cover up against those body shots means he'll beat Spence again.
I just can't see how Jr ever beats Bud now.
Terrence has too much ring IQ and toughness.
It'll be like AJ vs Uysk 3.
No matter what Anthony does, he'll never beat Oleksander.
Spence looked like a amatuer lets be real he did not look good at all im not sure wtf his trainer derrick james has been teaching him
Ask forch about lost to andre ward
Cobra ye he's a real snake loves people blowing smoke up his butt he's on the make trying to stay relevant cos know one knows who he is these pair are apear like a bad smell
No shame in losing to Ward at his best, a dirty asf fighter but his technical abilities were top notch. Ask Ward about robbing Kovalev lol 😉 (I'm only half joking)
@@JackMcLeodJr forch goes on likes he's undefeated. Ward schooled forch & stop Kovalev in rematch
@@jamellabruna6092 He's a windup merchant mate, can't take it too seriously, as he clearly doesn't take himself seriously lol. He's got a dry sense of humour, some just don't get.
I remember when he first came on TV ITV, I think then sky.
He was so very different all in black muscular wearing a
poncho and his ring walks dear me!!.
I've always been a fan but would I say truly he was the greatest No.
His prime was short voilant, butual , skilful, devastatingly quick and could smash you with both hands.
But his prime was over too quick like a shooting star.
I would put that Tyson up against any of the this era without question.
Would I think he would have beat Lewis yes , Bowe no , foreman no and Holyfield no not because of the skill set but because Holyfield was alot stronger mentally.
The two fights against Ruddock particularly the second still showed he had he still had the mental fortitude, power heart and skill set but after years of relaying on one punch to do the job, and the personal issues he was shadow of his prime.
Shame I think he could have ruled for many years a d may have retired unbeaten.
But hey still the youngest ever at 20 and he seems to have turned his life around amazing !
Made me smile
Have you ever had a little push... a little pull?
Mike Tyson and Gazza were similar ... They were one track and were ruthless at their sports when they were on it !!!!. Then there were times they just did not bother and also lost their heads !!! You can take the boy out of the hood but you can not tak the hood out of the boy !!!.
2:09 - As BHop would say....."Kessler? Are you serious? Kessler?". 😂😂😂😂
Prime Kessler was an absolute monster. Calzaghe just took his soul and he was never the same after.
Ahhh this explains your nut hugging now .
Absolute comedy gold
A prime Tyson (In a best of 10 fights) losses to a prime :
(1) Ike ibeabuchi
(2) Lennox Lewis
(3) George Foreman
(4) Sonny Liston (At 32 after 2 years in jail. Not the 44 year old who lost to Ali)
(5) Muhammad Ali
I doubt he wins one out of ten against Ike and Lennox. A prime Mike always struggled against strong fighters who could hold him and tire him out. A good example of this was his tough fight with James "Bone Crusher" Smith. That is why 4 out of the 5 boxers on the list above are all much stronger than Tyson and can easily hold him and tire him out.
I am not sure how a prime Tyson would fair against a prime Vitali, Evander, Bowe.
Iron Mike Tyson was brill before he went to prison never was sadly the same fighter after prison
The Cobra,always great value..🤛
Mike was great if you were scared of him. Many fighters gave him hard fights
Mike Tyson cleaned out the division and unified the title and he wouldn't have done that if he was an average or overrated boxer.
The best always rises above the rest.
Thanks Karl,Eubank jr looked dehydrated. I wanted Liam to win as a fellow red.
Got to love carl froch great humour " top top boxer " grown on me loads only one speaking how it is out of all boxing pundits along with adam Catterall
What a strange time to release this video. Why not wait until after the big fight to record it?
What big fight?
@@rusty5078 The one last night between the two welterweights.
This one is just the two answering people's questions and they always release it on the Sunday. The one where they talk about the latest topics will be early next week and you'd think they'd talk about Spence vs Crawford as well as the Inoue fight then.
Can someone explain why fighters aren’t given an extra day at least to rehydrate?
They are. That's why the weigh-in is a day before the fight.
@@markkofi8522 that’s proven not to be enough though. Why not 2 days? (Which still isn’t enough to properly rehydrate)
@@boshankers12 Because the amount of pounds they could put on in those two days would probably mean that they're fighting outside the weight class.
For example, the welterweight division limit of 147lbs. After two days a good fighter could put on 5 or 6 pounds. Meaning that they're almost super welterweight at the time of the fight.
I really hate the rehydration clauses that some champions insist on.
I think it's a cowards way to fight someone.
@@markkofi8522 I see, thanks for explaining. Yeah the rehydration clauses should be illegal.
Is this a trick question the man was a beast 👍🏻🏴
Loves talkin bout AJ
Mike Tyson version one beats anyone who laced up gloves.
'Peak tyson could beat any heavyweight in any era'
Except Buster Douglas, Spence...
Love spencer good bloke good pro.🥊
A prime Mike Tyson would destroy any heavyweight of the last 15 years.
PRIME ROY WAS ON roids facts.
There ain't a fighter out there today that can comment in a negative way on mike tyson 💯
There's just no comparison whatsoever.!
The guy in his prime was worse then any nightmare any of these fighters will ever have in their entire lives 💯