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  • @Geohillierneo
    @Geohillierneo Před 10 měsíci +28

    These two with their back and forth is brilliant. Makes a nice change from Simon Jordan not letting Spence talk and just belittling him the whole time. Also Froch's gag at the start about the Wembley fight, brilliant 😂 Clearly knows people laugh at him for talking about that

    • @beejj6190
      @beejj6190 Před 9 měsíci

      Can't fkin listen to Jordan's coke - speed 'estuary' accent (he's been caught out on video speaking totally posh 5 years ago, lol).

  • @jamesieco-de2000
    @jamesieco-de2000 Před 10 měsíci +52

    These two together needs to be new regular thing. Brilliant viewing

    • @seanmcauliffe6735
      @seanmcauliffe6735 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Hope he keeps ripping Froch. Part of Froch doesn't like it and you'd think he'd be able to have a joke, despite the fact he has progressed in that aspect, minimally.

    • @jamesieco-de2000
      @jamesieco-de2000 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @seanmcauliffe6735 I think they're brilliant together. Don't really get it on CZcams. Spence and Simon Jordan is a bit one way conversation wise, these two are knowledgeable, have good chemistry and have first hand experience to back up their opinions. Quickly become my favourite boxing content, tv or CZcams. Whether you agree with him or not Froch's don't give a f*** attitude is refreshing. I used to find it hard to warm to him as a fighter and a pundit (even though I enjoyed watching him do both), I think I misread him a lot. He's funny, and at ease with himself enough to take the piss out of himself. Love having him on talksport. Need more like him, and least he has the history to back it all up too

    • @trollgoodman7808
      @trollgoodman7808 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@seanmcauliffe6735disagree, froch can take it and he's a brilliant presenter..Besides why should he have to take anything
      Show some respect lowly dog!

    • @beejj6190
      @beejj6190 Před 9 měsíci

      Better than listening to Jordan's coke - speed 'estuary' accent (he's been caught out on video speaking totally posh 5 years ago, lol).

    • @seanmcauliffe6735
      @seanmcauliffe6735 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@jamesieco-de2000 yeah mate I agree, Froch is very welcomed as a pundit. I just enjoy him getting bantered as it annoys him and his ego a bit. That's all.

  • @QuickyA2011
    @QuickyA2011 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Definitely overrated. That isn't saying that he was anything other than outstanding but he gets put on the biggest of pedestals that he doesn't quite deserve.

  • @Crashbandicoot449
    @Crashbandicoot449 Před 10 měsíci +20

    7:54 absolute class from Carl , picking joe or Lennox , just shows he knows how great both boxers were .

    • @joewhite22
      @joewhite22 Před 10 měsíci +2

      It's kind of the obvious answer though isn't it? I mean who else is there who could rival those 2?

    • @jackhumphries6687
      @jackhumphries6687 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@@joewhite22Audley Harrison?

    • @EireannSpeaks
      @EireannSpeaks Před 10 měsíci +12

      @@jackhumphries6687
      Leave Audley alone he's never hurt anybody in his life

    • @hellalive8973
      @hellalive8973 Před 10 měsíci

      @@EireannSpeaks😂😂

    • @Crashbandicoot449
      @Crashbandicoot449 Před 10 měsíci

      @@joewhite22 I meant for the fact he picked Calzaghe considering their rivalry .

  • @zh1992
    @zh1992 Před 10 měsíci +8

    No one ever mentions Jimmy Wilde when talking about the greatest British boxers. Which is a real shame, 131 wins 3 losses and 1 draw, 98 wins by ko. Not a record that should be overlooked, one hell of a fighter

    • @onthemicwithmike6339
      @onthemicwithmike6339 Před 10 měsíci +1

      It’s an outstanding record but with zero footage it just gets forgotten. The sport has changed a lot from pre war and post war, and it changed a lot from the 80s to now.
      It’s unfair to rate fighters from different eras because there’s a load of factors to consider

  • @millsy1861
    @millsy1861 Před 10 měsíci +11

    These two are a comedy duo 😂😂 Froch " I thought you were looking for your medication " 😂😂

  • @BlissUnboxing0
    @BlissUnboxing0 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Firstly, what a great show and amazing chemistry between the two of them. Froch has recognised the ego comments over the years and is playing the pantomime villain well with a glint in the eye and Spencer is just wonderful. I was lucky enough to meet Spencer at York Hall and he a top lad. For me, Tyson is a true great and should be recognised as one. It was a sad story of too much too soon and peaking early. He was that good (85-88) he blew everyone away in front of him. The sheer fear and aura he brought to the ring (maybe not with the legendary Ribalta!) had beaten everyone before they had even started and a Lewis or Holyfield then, (IMHO) would have gone the same way. The poor preparation, complacency and outside influences led to the Douglas defeat as he was in the mindset of just rocking up and winning. Now Douglas was much better than the journeyman figure he was portrayed as at the time and he himself also succumbed to the 'I've made it now complacency' before Holyfield dismantled him, coming in many.....many pounds heavier for that fight. We can all talk about if, buts and coconuts and for the non-Tyson fans, they can rightfully point to those defeats against the next era of greats and question his status amongst the true legends. I can assure you he really was a once in a lifetime fighter and a true great who was corrupted and ultimately beat himself.

    • @DeeJay003
      @DeeJay003 Před 8 měsíci

      Well said. If you lived through that era, there is no doubt in your mind about his greatness. Tyson was something unique. No body can compare - one of the best heavyweights of all time.

  • @Hedgebets100
    @Hedgebets100 Před 10 měsíci +17

    Very good heavyweight but came unstuck against the best who weren't afraid of him.
    At no time in his career would he have beaten Lewis without a lucky punch.
    He also never beat any guy who beat him.

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci

      I disagree slightly. The 86 to 89 Tyson looked unbeatable.
      But then I think about what Tony Tucker managed to do.
      And he was no Lennox. 😂

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci +6

      @markkofi8522 looked unbeatable against bums....amazing how his fantasy peak ends when he stepped up and stopped fighting bums...

    • @BiggieBigLnPac
      @BiggieBigLnPac Před 10 měsíci +2

      Didn’t look unbeatable when going life and death with journeyman James Tillis in 1986!! Many think Tillis actually beat him.

    • @domrice8628
      @domrice8628 Před 10 měsíci

      Always interrupting spence

    • @richarda3514
      @richarda3514 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Between 86 - 89 tyson fought, no one spink wasn't a geniue heavyweight. Tyson was very overated take a look at his resume say it all.

  • @garethcraddock9971
    @garethcraddock9971 Před 10 měsíci +10

    These guys are absolutely perfect for eachother! Froch is lovely, despite being full of himelf (I'm a huge fan, BTW)- he's ironic with it/knows he's a bit bigheaded. Frigging hysterical together and one of the few boxing chats I'd like to sit and watch for a good hour or so.

  • @gamerboyt4649
    @gamerboyt4649 Před 10 měsíci +11

    Q: SHOULD BIVOL AND BERTIBEV DROP THE WBC AND FIGHT TO SHOW THE FIGHTS ARE BIGGER THAN THE BELTS? everyone would know the winner is undisputed and wbc will hate to lose there %

  • @boreilly82
    @boreilly82 Před 10 měsíci +7

    So much better having boxers on this podcast rather than Simon Jordan.

    • @starwarsroo2448
      @starwarsroo2448 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Need Simon sometimes, numbers man init, but he does get irritating

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci

      @starwarsroo2448 numbers man? He's a bankrupt ex carphone warehouse owner 🤣

    • @starwarsroo2448
      @starwarsroo2448 Před 10 měsíci

      @@billdoor3140 I didn't say he was a good numbers man

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @starwarsroo2448 oh sorry you meant numbers. Yes Jordan is a outrage culture salesman like piers Morgan. But I think even the casuals are starting to understand how limited his actual boxing knowledge is

  • @CNS1908
    @CNS1908 Před 10 měsíci +124

    The only Tyson that’s is overrated is Tyson Fury.

    • @showup001.
      @showup001. Před 10 měsíci +17

      Rent free.

    • @Capitalgee84
      @Capitalgee84 Před 10 měsíci +18

      @@showup001. It's True though.

    • @CNS1908
      @CNS1908 Před 10 měsíci +13

      @@showup001. Fury fanboy alert! Lol, commons sense evades you.

    • @BlackWolf-el3gu
      @BlackWolf-el3gu Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@CNS1908he lives in that little head all day my boi

    • @CNS1908
      @CNS1908 Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@BlackWolf-el3gu your bum sore?

  • @ryanlongley5052
    @ryanlongley5052 Před 10 měsíci +10

    Luv froch’s banter he’s always about the laughs

  • @martinquinn9839
    @martinquinn9839 Před 10 měsíci +8

    So glad you came to that decision, there has only ever been 1 Mike Tyson

    • @6ft7guy
      @6ft7guy Před měsícem +1

      And 6 times being knocked by all the guys who were in the top 15

  • @jarlathog8040
    @jarlathog8040 Před 10 měsíci +20

    Froch lecturing Spencer on the dangers of weight making. Classic Froch 😂

    • @snookerstones
      @snookerstones Před 10 měsíci

      He isn’t, he’s explaining to the viewers.

  • @jayt6200
    @jayt6200 Před 10 měsíci +7

    So happy froch is giving Calzaghe the recognition he deserves

    • @bennym5244
      @bennym5244 Před 9 měsíci +1

      People forget Calzaghe was great start to finish.

  • @soleknight3212
    @soleknight3212 Před 9 měsíci +2

    06:52 Totally agree. The Berbick fight and the WAY Tyson dealt with him is highly underrated

  • @tystaffbull
    @tystaffbull Před 10 měsíci +47

    I don't think we ever saw Tyson at his peak. He was coming into his prime then he went off the rails...had he remained with Rooney and stayed dedicated I think his peak years would of been around 24 - 27 but he was locked up at that time.

    • @trublu72lewis77
      @trublu72lewis77 Před 10 měsíci +10

      100% true!!

    • @starwarsroo2448
      @starwarsroo2448 Před 10 měsíci +19

      You know what diminishes his legacy? Making excuses for every loss or misstep in his career, dude had a handful of losses, mostly later on, but his fanbase is constantly making excuses about " prime Tyson" and he didn't train in the 90's or he was partying when Doulas battered him.

    • @Bacon4Rashers
      @Bacon4Rashers Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@starwarsroo2448 He had quite a bad STD when he fought Douglas and said he felt like his balls were on fire.

    • @starwarsroo2448
      @starwarsroo2448 Před 10 měsíci +11

      @@Bacon4Rashers f sake here we go, you think Lewis or Holyfeild or Ali was never sick or hasn't slept or was drunk during a fight, get over it

    • @baldalan3921
      @baldalan3921 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@starwarsroo2448I agree with both sides, the excuses are a bit much but when you think about it Lewis, Holyfield, Ali etc completely dedicated their lives to their craft to be as a good as they were, Tyson was on a mad one half the time and cleaned out the division🤣

  • @showup001.
    @showup001. Před 10 měsíci +28

    Tyson vs Spinks. That was peak Tyson. Absolutely terrifying.

    • @aryan.4855
      @aryan.4855 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Mike Tyson vs Frank Bruno 1 was.

    • @BlackWolf-el3gu
      @BlackWolf-el3gu Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@aryan.4855no the spinks fight was the best Tyson ever was going to get. Tyson got rocked by Bruno in the second round so no spinks was his best performance

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Spinks was terrified of him. He'd lost before he even got in the ring. What happened to this imaginary "prine" vs Douglas? 🤔

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @aryan.4855 he beat Bruno more easily in 94. Wich kidda disproves all the fanboys fantasy prime nonsense. He simply fought elite boxer's and lost.

    • @BiggieBigLnPac
      @BiggieBigLnPac Před 10 měsíci +3

      Spinks was coming up from light-heavy (175lbs) and wasn’t even a big light-heavy either.. I read that Mike weighed 190lbs at 12 years old.. so mike as a literal child weighed more than a fully grown Spinks.. that’s like fury beating Andre ward.. Mike gets way too much credit for beating Spinks

  • @ronaldofenomino857
    @ronaldofenomino857 Před 10 měsíci +15

    Carl is so funny, these two hit off each other so good. 😂

  • @jasonmatthews1311
    @jasonmatthews1311 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Spencer loving the chance to get his opinion across

  • @BullyBoxer
    @BullyBoxer Před 10 měsíci +8

    How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson?
    By Frank Scoblete
    30 January 2000
    Now that Mike Tyson's career is almost over, it might be of interest to take a cold hard look at just how good he was at his best to get some idea of where he stands in the rankings of the great heavyweight champions.
    It is not a stretch to say that much of the fearsome Tyson persona of a decade or more ago was media hype and was little related to what he actually accomplished in the ring or against whom he accomplished it.
    We can make a case that Tyson fought "never-wases" and "nothing-lefters" in his early career culminating with his knockout over an intimidated former light-heavyweight champion Michael Spinks, whose only real claim to fame was "winning" two controversial decisions against an aging and distracted Larry Holmes.
    Other than the light-hitting, terrified Spinks and the out-of-shape, intimidated, comebacking, former great Larry Holmes, who did Tyson actually fight in his pre-prison days who was truly any good in absolute terms? If we measure competition based on who Ali faced, then who of all Tyson's pre-prison opponents was as good as Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Joe Bugner, Mac Foster, Floyd Patterson, Zora Foley, Cleveland Williams, Jimmy Ellis, Bob Foster or Ernie Terrell, not to mention the awesome likes of all-time greats Sonny Liston, George Foreman or Smokin' Joe Frazier? Would you classify Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick or Frank Bruno with any those other fighters? Only if you never saw them fight!
    The only real fight the pre-prison Tyson ever had was against the only decent heavyweight fighter he fought, a determined, well-conditioned Buster Douglas -- and Tyson was roundly beaten, battered and knocked out! That was Tyson in his prime, against a fighter who went on to "extinguish" himself by being knocked out in three rounds by Evander Holyfield.
    If the pre-prison Tyson's boxing worth must be looked at with some skepticism, then the post-prison Tyson must be looked upon with scorn. Often in boxing, the true greatness of a fighter is not actually known when he is in his prime as he defeats opponent after opponent rather convincingly. It is only after he ages, slows down, and gets himself into wars are we aware of just how good the fighter is -- and was!
    Certainly that was true of Ali. Before he made his comeback from an almost four-year forced layoff, there were all sorts of questions about his ability. Could he take a punch? Had he been beating up washed-up fighters? Did he have courage? Would he dog it if he were ever in a real fight? The layoff slowed Ali down, made him more vulnerable. What's more, great fighters appeared in that time, fighters better than any he had previously fought!
    So a somewhat diminished Ali met each and every challenger -- starting with a comeback fight against highly ranked Jerry Quarry and then a second fight against vicious number-one contender Oscar Bonavena. His first career loss to Joe Frazier in his third comeback fight proved he could take a punch and that he had mountains of courage. That fight was the first of several "wars" Ali would fight in this second part of his career.
    His next loss was to Ken Norton. Fighting 11 rounds with a broken jaw, Ali merely proved again that he was as courageous as any fighter who ever lived. His great victories against these very same fighters and his upset win over the god-like Foreman, showed what a great fighter he was -- and how much greater he had been before his layoff!
    Not so with Tyson. His "layoff" was heralded with a return to the ring against a rank amateur, Peter McNeeley, whom Tyson "destroyed" with a wild flurry in round one. This same McNeeley was later knocked out by the bloated Butterbean in one round and has since lost just about every real fight he's had! And what of Buster Mathis, Jr., Bruce "I was knocked out by a gust of air" Seldon, Francois Botha, or Julian Francis? Are they credible opponents? Only if elephants can fly.
    The only real fight the post-prison Tyson had of any significance was against Evander Holyfield, who was selected because he appeared to be a shot fighter, having lost two out of three to the disappointing Riddick Bowe. Had Tyson known that Holyfield was not a shot fighter, but actually the only great heavyweight of the 1990s, I'm sure he would have selected a different fighter to beat, perhaps a third go-round with the overrated Razor Ruddock who proved himself a worthy Tyson contender by being knocked out in one round by the otherwise cautious Lennox Lewis.
    So here we have a very simple yardstick for measuring the greatness of Mike Tyson. He fought two hard fights, one pre-prison and one post-prison -- both of which he lost (subsequently, he ate his way to a third loss and fouled himself into a no-decision). The rest of his victories, pre-prison and post-prison, were over fighters who couldn't make the "C" list during Ali's tenure. So where does that put him on the list of all-time greats?
    It doesn't. He doesn't belong. He's not even in the top 20!
    If you think of the very few good heavyweight fighters who have plied their trade in the late 1980s and 1990s, it is a short list: Evander Holyfield, George Foreman (oh, yes, the Big George who fought Holyfield would have rocked Iron Mike just as he did Smokin' Joe), Riddick Bowe, and maybe Lennox Lewis and Michael Moorer. Tyson only fought one of them, and lost. The others he avoided.
    I do not, as some writers do, lament the fact that Mike Tyson never lived up to his potential. In fact, I believe he did live up to it, fully, completely. His potential just wasn't all that great and that's what he became -- not all that great.

    • @oneilhylton1457
      @oneilhylton1457 Před 10 měsíci

      Total nonsense mate!!! You.sound like a very critical hater

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci

      100% correct but the "in his prime" delusional fanboys won't agree lol. They bizarrely believe a HW boxer peaks aged 21-23

  • @blowfold1
    @blowfold1 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Lennox was the greatest British boxer I’ve seen. Prime Tyson between 1986-89 was devastating.

    • @lordfarquard9902
      @lordfarquard9902 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Lennox is the greatest boxer I’ve ever seen at heavyweight. As much as the likes of Ali, Foreman and Mike Tyson are glorified, the best version of Lennox would have dealt with the best versions of all 3 of those guys.

    • @blowfold1
      @blowfold1 Před 9 měsíci

      @@lordfarquard9902 you may be right

  • @tyronepereira9073
    @tyronepereira9073 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Tyson won the World title in 18 months and was 20 years old for me Underated

  • @HuwEvans.
    @HuwEvans. Před 10 měsíci +3

    With Conor Benn now cleared, TalkSport have lost 50% of their weekly content 😂

  • @amu7499
    @amu7499 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great little interview that. Enjoyed it

  • @Terry_Champ
    @Terry_Champ Před 10 měsíci +12

    No, in his prime he was unstoppable and then became undisciplined.

    • @HuwEvans.
      @HuwEvans. Před 10 měsíci +1

      Casual

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci +3

      ​@@HuwEvans.Why do people throw that 'Casual' tag when they don't agree with someone?
      Such a lazy response.

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci

      I understand what you mean. Had Tyson stuck with Rooney and kept the discipline, it's hard to see Lewis or Holyfield beating him.

    • @HuwEvans.
      @HuwEvans. Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@markkofi8522 Casual

    • @Terry_Champ
      @Terry_Champ Před 10 měsíci

      @Leviathan123456 for me Tyson was at his peak during the mid to late 80s.

  • @hewmattnoj7651
    @hewmattnoj7651 Před 10 měsíci +3

    The Spinks fight was tysons pinnacle, what he did that night was truly exceptional ...

    • @locksie70
      @locksie70 Před 10 měsíci +1

      90 odd seconds and destroyed him

    • @brucemedley635
      @brucemedley635 Před 10 měsíci

      That ko over pinklon thomas

    • @hewmattnoj7651
      @hewmattnoj7651 Před 10 měsíci

      @@brucemedley635 yes, that as well... tough man pinklon Thomas.

  • @anjumshahzad8612
    @anjumshahzad8612 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I have to say I do love Carl. Straight up guy

  • @sunnytoor1902
    @sunnytoor1902 Před 10 měsíci +6

    The Mike Tyson that had cus d amato in his corner was unbeatable. Only Lennox Lewis could have beaten prime version of iron mike.

    • @marcuscopley2090
      @marcuscopley2090 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Lennox was a brilliant heavyweight but he could be caught when he had lapses of concentration. 86-87 Mike Tyson lands hooks on 92-95 lennox. I think it would be a similar fight to Ali ,Frazer 1

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci

      I have high regard for Lennox, but I think Tyson at his peak walks right through him.

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @markkofi8522 the same tyson Douglas beat up? Look lads boxer's don't peak aged 22. You're talking absolute nonsense. When tyson stopped fighting bums he stopped winning. Oh and ffs cus did very little of tye actual training! He had coaches do that. Teddy atlas trained mike tyson from 13 years old and has spoken about how they knew Mike couldn't cope even in sparring against opponents who wouldn't let him walk through them. They hand picked his opponents pre Douglas

    • @BiggieBigLnPac
      @BiggieBigLnPac Před 10 měsíci +1

      Mike lost fights under cus dmato.. several in fact.. in the amateurs !!

    • @marcuscopley2090
      @marcuscopley2090 Před 10 měsíci

      @billdoor3140 Mike said in his own pod cast he was a coke addict by 89, he didn't train properly and possibly never hit his absolute peak. Had he maintained his 86-87 fitness and kept his discipline, Tyson would have destroyed Douglas, it never happened and Mike Tyson spent the next decade unravelling becoming a pale imitation of what we witnessed when he smashed burbick, Smith, Thomas. Tucker gave him a fight but struggled keep Mike at distance, tubbs got demolished, Eastern assassin was old so he didn't count, Spinks got spanked, Bruno got battered. We will never know what could have been, but it's entertaining to imagine.

  • @minkshultz
    @minkshultz Před 10 měsíci +1

    Notable fighters Tyson fought:
    Holyfield (lost TKO, DQ)
    Lewis (lost KO)
    Golota (won TKO
    Spinks (won KO
    Bruno (won 2 TKOs)
    Berwick (won KO)
    Razor Ruddock (won TKO, UD)
    List of fighters Tyson did not fight:
    Riddick Bowe
    David Tua
    Ray Mercer
    Michael Grant
    Vitali Klitchko
    Vladimir Klitchko
    Shannon Briggs
    George Foreman
    *Did not ask a revenge match against Busta Douglas

    • @minkshultz
      @minkshultz Před 10 měsíci

      Mike Tyson started the culture of ducking good fighters.

  • @Hologhoul
    @Hologhoul Před 10 měsíci +2

    I love the fact that Carl jokes about, but the moment there's a serious point or question, he's right on it. No hesitation in naming Lewis and Calzaghe as the greatest British boxers of all time there,

    • @theorgazoid9459
      @theorgazoid9459 Před 10 měsíci

      We can all joke abaaat.

    • @Hologhoul
      @Hologhoul Před 10 měsíci

      @@theorgazoid9459 Yep but we can't all have a boxing career like Carl's with the knowledge afterwards and ability to talk about it.

    • @theorgazoid9459
      @theorgazoid9459 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Hologhoul We can all joke abaaat.

  • @Eleftheria_i_thanatos
    @Eleftheria_i_thanatos Před 10 měsíci +1

    Needs to be longer. But enough of my problems, great episode.

  • @UncleRuckus_96
    @UncleRuckus_96 Před 10 měsíci +10

    When Tyson had a life and death fight he got his ass beat simple

    • @millsy1861
      @millsy1861 Před 10 měsíci +1

      That's because he was off his face by then Tyson was finished by the mid 90's

    • @billdoor3140
      @billdoor3140 Před 10 měsíci

      @millsy1863 always nonsense excuses. Tyson in 94 against Bruno was more devastating that in 87 against Bruno. The fact is when he stepped upto elite boxer's he lost.

  • @davideinzani909
    @davideinzani909 Před 10 měsíci +2

    This is brilliant. Carl Froch is absolutely hilarious

  • @Crashbandicoot449
    @Crashbandicoot449 Před 10 měsíci +2

    10:24 “ you’re always talking about yourself “ 😂😂😂😂

  • @equaliser9043
    @equaliser9043 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I love the banter between these two😂

  • @johncroome5013
    @johncroome5013 Před 10 měsíci

    Great show!!

  • @FitnessMadeEasy93
    @FitnessMadeEasy93 Před 10 měsíci +3

    When Simon comes back it should be in addition to Carl not instead of

  • @alexreid4131
    @alexreid4131 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Personally totally fine if Mr Jordan doesn't come back and they just keep The Cobra on full-time.

  • @joedaman8436
    @joedaman8436 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Was a prime Mike Tyson over rated?? what a stupid question 😂😂😂

  • @bladerunner16
    @bladerunner16 Před 10 měsíci

    Totally agree, they work really well together.

  • @fergusstevenston8409
    @fergusstevenston8409 Před 10 měsíci

    That’s was great, funny, relaxed, informative.

  • @GUYFAIRCLOGH88
    @GUYFAIRCLOGH88 Před 9 měsíci

    I love watching and listening to you two , just good common sense , and great banter between you both ! You both come across really well , and give us great insight !

  • @michaeldickinson2394
    @michaeldickinson2394 Před 10 měsíci

    Great show lads

  • @stevencavanagh1613
    @stevencavanagh1613 Před 10 měsíci +3

    These two together are funny , should start there own chanel 🤣🤣

  • @joekallis7834
    @joekallis7834 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I remember seeing carl at soho london fresh and wild now called wholefoods 15-20 years ago, i am a martial arts trainer and a big guy and he looked apprehesive at me but the way we caught each others glaze u knew he had a fighting spirit but i was unaware who he was

  • @petyrkowalski9887
    @petyrkowalski9887 Před 10 měsíci +1

    No, peak Tyson was underrated if anything. An utter force of nature.

  • @conner.9262
    @conner.9262 Před 10 měsíci +8

    Lennox Lewis is THE ONLY HW to be compared to Mohamed Ali…… for movement, skill, punching power and fitness …… and not forgetting that jab …. LL was a class act !

    • @leecorcoran6174
      @leecorcoran6174 Před 10 měsíci

      What ??? Are you blind ??? Mike Tyson aged 20-24 was the most ferocious and fastest heavyweight of all time and Ali knew that when Tyson faced Holmes and whispered in his ear 👂🥊🥊🥊iron mike can DEFINITELY be compared to Ali

    • @justinwilliams4217
      @justinwilliams4217 Před 10 měsíci

      He was, but he wasn't in Mike Tyson's league at their respective bests.

    • @djbarbergreen3388
      @djbarbergreen3388 Před 10 měsíci

      In my opinion Sugar Ray Robinson and Rocky Marciano have a seat at that table ..but Ali has his own Table and is the the blueprint for Lennox

    • @7scoops
      @7scoops Před 10 měsíci +2

      The Tyson thing makes me laugh. He is in his prime knocking out poor fighters like Berbick, Pinklon Thomas or light heavies like Spinks or aging fighters like Larry Holmes. Yet when you mention that he lost to any decent fighters he fought Lewis, Holyfield etc then that doesn't count cos its not his prime😂😂

    • @conner.9262
      @conner.9262 Před 10 měsíci

      @@djbarbergreen3388 Totally agree with Sugar Ray Robinson, pound for pound the greatest boxer of all time, As for Marciano ?? Way to small against LL …. Even Mohamed Ali as HW was under 16St …. LL was near 18st and be truthful LL would have beaten Ali … LL is far to polite to say such a thing but for me LL was a great Champion… many fighters ducked LL even to the point he called out RB for years calling him chicken Bowe …. And STILL he would not fight him ….

  • @Nonegiven14582
    @Nonegiven14582 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I did 10 pounds off the other night with water tablets while I slept and I woke up feeling really ill. That was for a hospital appointment. I had a good reason.
    Any more than that, I think is near impossible as I got up in the morning and put on about 4 layers and 30 mins later had to take them off. Even before I got on the exercise bike
    I realised that was my lot
    How people get get 23 pounds off and put it back with an IV bag. That shocks me

  • @seanmcauliffe6735
    @seanmcauliffe6735 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Hope he keeps ripping Froch. Part of Froch doesn't like it and you'd think he'd be able to have a joke, despite the fact he has progressed in that aspect, minimally.
    The content was solid though. Froch talking about Rob putting the towel around his face and having different body language is the type of stuff I want to hear. It's a proper insiders look.

  • @fundyden4771
    @fundyden4771 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I always rated Mike Tyson, but it was disappointing that Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis did not meet when they were in their prime. My mate always thought I was mad to bet on Lewis, but I believe he was the better of the two. Great fighters, both of them.

    • @kerryman9589
      @kerryman9589 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Lewis was older ygan tyson

    • @hellalive8973
      @hellalive8973 Před 10 měsíci

      @@kerryman9589by a few months

    • @fundyden4771
      @fundyden4771 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @kerryman9589
      Yes, but tyson started his professional boxing career before Lewis. He was the youngest heavyweight. But I think Lewis would have beat him even in his prime.

    • @kerryman9589
      @kerryman9589 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@fundyden4771 I agree tyson was over rated don King paid all them bums to fall to boost his profile as soon as he faced real fighters he found it hard to put them away like holyfield lewis he ended up biting holyfield ear because he knew he couldn't beat him.tyson beat fighters that were finished

    • @fundyden4771
      @fundyden4771 Před 10 měsíci

      @kerryman9589
      Well, I would not say he was over rated he was a great fighter. But you are right. Don King messed him up as he did all his fighters. Lewis is one of the best heavyweights of all time.

  • @LA-fr7fx
    @LA-fr7fx Před 10 měsíci +1

    That was great 👍👍

  • @Denzle1989
    @Denzle1989 Před 10 měsíci +1

    These two crack me up

  • @johnharrison7612
    @johnharrison7612 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I think 'best British boxer' was a bit poor. Bob Fitzsimmons? Jimmy Wilde? More recently, Fury? Who did Calzaghe beat who wasn't past it? And Lewis got sparked out twice not concentrating

  • @samchaudhri7417
    @samchaudhri7417 Před 10 měsíci

    These comments are very logical and true, I find.

  • @CGS-zs2dc
    @CGS-zs2dc Před 9 měsíci

    Great episode from Spencer and Carl. Both correct Naseem Hamed trained terribly for Barrera fight. And had lost his hunger for the game. Should have gone up in weight. Should have achieved more. Had no desire to avenge Barrera loss.

  • @domsmithsen
    @domsmithsen Před 10 měsíci +3

    Can't help but mention his 80,000 fans at Wembley lol

  • @jagonchichon590
    @jagonchichon590 Před 9 měsíci

    I like that banter

  • @alivstyson1864
    @alivstyson1864 Před měsícem

    Glad they got it right. The 20 21 yr old version of Tyson is Top 3 EVER PERIOD.

  • @KimJongsMom
    @KimJongsMom Před 10 měsíci +1

    A prime oliver and the cobra is the only thing we have to look forward to in heavyweight boxing at the moment

  • @Asif24960
    @Asif24960 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Calzaghe one of the biggest boxing frauds ever. Guy ducked every major fight, his only legit win was Kessler

  • @poe-mvision4299
    @poe-mvision4299 Před 10 měsíci +4

    As much as I like Simon with Spencer, these 2 are sharing and talking from experience and expertise. I'd have no problem them doing this permanently.

    • @PMC607
      @PMC607 Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you 🙏🏻

  • @tomdexter6925
    @tomdexter6925 Před 10 měsíci

    Q to spencer
    Did you have spar Barry jones ?and who would have come out on top if you had boxed?? Cheers

  • @JB-cq6wg
    @JB-cq6wg Před 10 měsíci +1

    Guy was 15.5stone and 5’11” and banging out 6’3”+ geezers weighing 18-20 stone

  • @BroScape_
    @BroScape_ Před 10 měsíci +1

    Are you on the george groves payroll 😂😂 got to love the cobra

  • @VR46314
    @VR46314 Před 10 měsíci

    This show needs to be a trio

  • @BiggieBigLnPac
    @BiggieBigLnPac Před 10 měsíci +3

    Mike is the most overrated heavyweight in history. He won his titles from some of the weakest heavyweight champions ever (berbick, James smith and Tony tucker) two of whom he couldn’t even knockout or even down. He’s the youngest heavyweight to lose the titles when he was destroyed by James Douglas age just 23.. he never beat any great heavyweights and was smoked twice by a passed prime Holyfield who was 5 years his senior.. destroyed by an old Lennox Lewis also..

  • @leekew2683
    @leekew2683 Před 10 měsíci

    Everyone seems to like Spence! Fantastic show

  • @Longlostpuss
    @Longlostpuss Před 10 měsíci +1

    To the question from Mark Shiteon - "Was a peak Mike Tyson overrated or was he fortunate to operate during a weak period in the heavyweight division?"
    Easy to ask that question now the guy has long since retired.
    Would love to have seen anyone suggest that to his face when he was still basically a kid at 20 years old, let alone coming into prime age.

  • @hewmattnoj7651
    @hewmattnoj7651 Před 10 měsíci +2

    These two are great for Boxing... need to have them in commentary together.... then if Spencer gets it wrong he can blame his brain injury..😂

  • @jimmyrace1258
    @jimmyrace1258 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Froch IN Jordan OUT!

  • @Matt-of2gd
    @Matt-of2gd Před 9 měsíci

    Froch his hilarious, proper sarcastic humour, that a lot of people won’t understand.

  • @KarensHorny
    @KarensHorny Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hate to admit as a jordan fan boy i only watch these to the end when the cobra is on 😅🍻

  • @deusvult9372
    @deusvult9372 Před měsícem

    Tyson prime was great. Styles make fights. Everyone was examining Tysons style. If Tyson remained unknown and fought Lewis both in there primes, I think Tyson had a better chance. Tyson became too predictable because everyone was analyzing his style. Boxing is about predicting your opponents next move.

  • @markvincent5241
    @markvincent5241 Před 10 měsíci +1

    After watching the Crawford vs Spence fight. It looked like Bud was the bigger, stronger man. Spence seemed to have poor punch resistance. Would a rematch at 154 make a difference in the outcome?

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci +2

      No. IMO Bud's reach and ability to cover up against those body shots means he'll beat Spence again.
      I just can't see how Jr ever beats Bud now.
      Terrence has too much ring IQ and toughness.
      It'll be like AJ vs Uysk 3.
      No matter what Anthony does, he'll never beat Oleksander.

    • @marcust123
      @marcust123 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Spence looked like a amatuer lets be real he did not look good at all im not sure wtf his trainer derrick james has been teaching him

  • @jamellabruna6092
    @jamellabruna6092 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Ask forch about lost to andre ward

    • @thelastpaganpenda5341
      @thelastpaganpenda5341 Před 10 měsíci

      Cobra ye he's a real snake loves people blowing smoke up his butt he's on the make trying to stay relevant cos know one knows who he is these pair are apear like a bad smell

    • @JackMcLeodJr
      @JackMcLeodJr Před 10 měsíci +2

      No shame in losing to Ward at his best, a dirty asf fighter but his technical abilities were top notch. Ask Ward about robbing Kovalev lol 😉 (I'm only half joking)

    • @jamellabruna6092
      @jamellabruna6092 Před 10 měsíci

      @@JackMcLeodJr forch goes on likes he's undefeated. Ward schooled forch & stop Kovalev in rematch

    • @JackMcLeodJr
      @JackMcLeodJr Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@jamellabruna6092 He's a windup merchant mate, can't take it too seriously, as he clearly doesn't take himself seriously lol. He's got a dry sense of humour, some just don't get.

  • @martinjarvie4925
    @martinjarvie4925 Před 10 měsíci

    I remember when he first came on TV ITV, I think then sky.
    He was so very different all in black muscular wearing a
    poncho and his ring walks dear me!!.
    I've always been a fan but would I say truly he was the greatest No.
    His prime was short voilant, butual , skilful, devastatingly quick and could smash you with both hands.
    But his prime was over too quick like a shooting star.
    I would put that Tyson up against any of the this era without question.
    Would I think he would have beat Lewis yes , Bowe no , foreman no and Holyfield no not because of the skill set but because Holyfield was alot stronger mentally.
    The two fights against Ruddock particularly the second still showed he had he still had the mental fortitude, power heart and skill set but after years of relaying on one punch to do the job, and the personal issues he was shadow of his prime.
    Shame I think he could have ruled for many years a d may have retired unbeaten.
    But hey still the youngest ever at 20 and he seems to have turned his life around amazing !

  • @richierichallen8083
    @richierichallen8083 Před 10 měsíci

    Made me smile

  • @paulkirby2761
    @paulkirby2761 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Have you ever had a little push... a little pull?

  • @goldenbrown3283
    @goldenbrown3283 Před 9 měsíci

    Mike Tyson and Gazza were similar ... They were one track and were ruthless at their sports when they were on it !!!!. Then there were times they just did not bother and also lost their heads !!! You can take the boy out of the hood but you can not tak the hood out of the boy !!!.

  • @markkofi8522
    @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci +1

    2:09 - As BHop would say....."Kessler? Are you serious? Kessler?". 😂😂😂😂

    • @Rosseboi
      @Rosseboi Před 10 měsíci

      Prime Kessler was an absolute monster. Calzaghe just took his soul and he was never the same after.

    • @Crashbandicoot449
      @Crashbandicoot449 Před 10 měsíci

      Ahhh this explains your nut hugging now .

  • @michaeldance5734
    @michaeldance5734 Před 10 měsíci

    Absolute comedy gold

  • @simonkrebs6043
    @simonkrebs6043 Před 9 měsíci

    A prime Tyson (In a best of 10 fights) losses to a prime :
    (1) Ike ibeabuchi
    (2) Lennox Lewis
    (3) George Foreman
    (4) Sonny Liston (At 32 after 2 years in jail. Not the 44 year old who lost to Ali)
    (5) Muhammad Ali
    I doubt he wins one out of ten against Ike and Lennox. A prime Mike always struggled against strong fighters who could hold him and tire him out. A good example of this was his tough fight with James "Bone Crusher" Smith. That is why 4 out of the 5 boxers on the list above are all much stronger than Tyson and can easily hold him and tire him out.
    I am not sure how a prime Tyson would fair against a prime Vitali, Evander, Bowe.

  • @CREGO615
    @CREGO615 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Iron Mike Tyson was brill before he went to prison never was sadly the same fighter after prison

  • @garyrae5413
    @garyrae5413 Před 10 měsíci

    The Cobra,always great value..🤛

  • @fitzerelli1
    @fitzerelli1 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Mike was great if you were scared of him. Many fighters gave him hard fights

  • @ianbrett3276
    @ianbrett3276 Před 10 měsíci

    Mike Tyson cleaned out the division and unified the title and he wouldn't have done that if he was an average or overrated boxer.
    The best always rises above the rest.

  • @mosiemi1
    @mosiemi1 Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks Karl,Eubank jr looked dehydrated. I wanted Liam to win as a fellow red.

  • @sarbdhami6048
    @sarbdhami6048 Před 10 měsíci

    Got to love carl froch great humour " top top boxer " grown on me loads only one speaking how it is out of all boxing pundits along with adam Catterall

  • @italkedtobarzini4015
    @italkedtobarzini4015 Před 10 měsíci

    What a strange time to release this video. Why not wait until after the big fight to record it?

    • @rusty5078
      @rusty5078 Před 10 měsíci

      What big fight?

    • @italkedtobarzini4015
      @italkedtobarzini4015 Před 10 měsíci

      @@rusty5078 The one last night between the two welterweights.

    • @joewhite22
      @joewhite22 Před 10 měsíci

      This one is just the two answering people's questions and they always release it on the Sunday. The one where they talk about the latest topics will be early next week and you'd think they'd talk about Spence vs Crawford as well as the Inoue fight then.

  • @boshankers12
    @boshankers12 Před 10 měsíci

    Can someone explain why fighters aren’t given an extra day at least to rehydrate?

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci

      They are. That's why the weigh-in is a day before the fight.

    • @boshankers12
      @boshankers12 Před 10 měsíci

      @@markkofi8522 that’s proven not to be enough though. Why not 2 days? (Which still isn’t enough to properly rehydrate)

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@boshankers12 Because the amount of pounds they could put on in those two days would probably mean that they're fighting outside the weight class.
      For example, the welterweight division limit of 147lbs. After two days a good fighter could put on 5 or 6 pounds. Meaning that they're almost super welterweight at the time of the fight.

    • @markkofi8522
      @markkofi8522 Před 10 měsíci +2

      I really hate the rehydration clauses that some champions insist on.
      I think it's a cowards way to fight someone.

    • @boshankers12
      @boshankers12 Před 10 měsíci

      @@markkofi8522 I see, thanks for explaining. Yeah the rehydration clauses should be illegal.

  • @richardjohnston3359
    @richardjohnston3359 Před 10 měsíci

    Is this a trick question the man was a beast 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @Langers69er
    @Langers69er Před 10 měsíci

    Loves talkin bout AJ

  • @ketchup5344
    @ketchup5344 Před 10 měsíci

    Mike Tyson version one beats anyone who laced up gloves.

  • @AnonDa
    @AnonDa Před 10 měsíci

    'Peak tyson could beat any heavyweight in any era'
    Except Buster Douglas, Spence...

  • @mikkifly
    @mikkifly Před 9 měsíci

    Love spencer good bloke good pro.🥊

  • @dean1979harr
    @dean1979harr Před 10 měsíci

    A prime Mike Tyson would destroy any heavyweight of the last 15 years.

  • @lukevirtualgameruk3523
    @lukevirtualgameruk3523 Před 10 měsíci +1

    PRIME ROY WAS ON roids facts.

  • @samnicklin-vy5dz
    @samnicklin-vy5dz Před 10 měsíci

    There ain't a fighter out there today that can comment in a negative way on mike tyson 💯
    There's just no comparison whatsoever.!
    The guy in his prime was worse then any nightmare any of these fighters will ever have in their entire lives 💯