Return of the Jedi and THX 40th Anniversary thoughts
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2023
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I discuss my thoughts on Disney's halfhearted limited theatrical release of the FOURTH SPECIAL EDITION of RETURN OF THE JEDI into a handful of select theaters with all of the quality issues that plague theater presentations nationwide. This is especially frustrating and truly sad given that this is also the 40th anniversary of THX as a program meant for ensuring a cinematic quality standard in all theaters.
And of course if that wasn't enough Disney couldn't be bothered to release the film on it's actual anniversary date of May 25th which is the true Star Wars day. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
As a purist, I felt exactly as you do. For the same reasons, I avoided the 40th "re-release" of The Empire Strikes Back. However, after hearing that Jedi made $5 million, playing on less than 500 screens, I decided to seek it out. It had a bigger per theater average than Super Mario Brothers last weekend. After hearing what a massive attendance this film had over the weekend, I realized that not only had it been 26 years since I'd seen the Special Editions on the big screen, but that unlike me, many audiences today had never seen this in a theater. Its never again going to look and sound as great in the theater as it did back when I saw it in 1983 in 70mm 6-track Dolby, but I was lucky that one of the theaters playing near me projected it in AMC Prime, a premium presentation. I had a really good audience and for the first time in a while found myself paying attention to the film, a film I know so well and sometimes don't enjoy as much because I'm so familiar with it. I'm also happy fans came out to show Disney that we're not happy with the current state of Star Wars. That classic Star Wars is still the best, even though this version isn't its original form. P.S. I have never been a film of the 1997 special edition sound mixes. There were too many changes I didn't agree with. Music cues shifted around, sound effects, dialogue, you name it. I mean, Princess Leia shooting at Stormtroopers in the original film, and instead of that traditional blaster sound effect, it was replaced with that 44 magnum sound we normally hear in a Dirty Harry film? Come on. Outside of the original theatrical mixes, my favorites are what Ben Burtt put together for the 1993 laser discs. Matrix sound yes, but a nice composite of what I remember from the original theatrical releases.
I get what you mean about giving it a try and having a theater experience with SW again.
However Leia’s 44 Magnum blaster is from the Star Wars mono mix and one of the mono mix elements they brought into the 97SE mix.
The 93 Definitive 2.0 surround home remixes are really good and supposedly based around the 70mm mix for each film with just a tweak or two and made for Dolby surround home theater standards of the time.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader ,very good mix but the smashing glass in the detention block i really hate.
I used to go to the theater all the time. I can just remember seeing the original Star Wars back in '77 when I was 7 or 8. I remember seeing Aliens in theaters when no one knew what it was. Still the best theater experience I've had. But as time went on it became less and less special. Advances in home theaters got better and I became less impressed with huge, massive screens and ear blasting poorly mixed sound. The last movie I saw in theaters was The Tree of Life back in 2011. I realized that it wouldn't get any better than that and I stopped going. I thought I would miss it but I haven't. Now I have a great set up ,with a really nice Denon AVR-X4400H that I picked up for $1200,and a 7.4.2 set up and It's been great. You can even go better than that now if you want and it's crazy how far home theater equipment has come since the days of black and white Curtis Mathis TVs that were more cabinets that TV. Theaters will always be around in some form or another but they aren't doing themselves any favors at this point.
You are SO right about theater quality being in the toilet now. Had so many issues with using the wrong aspect ratio and bad sound lately. I remember getting to see a sneak preview screening of the 97 special edition of Return of The Jedi with my stepdad and that experience is forever etched in my memory. It was considered an early birthday present as I was turning 12 in about 2 months. I was lucky enough to have borrowed the original trilogy on VHS from my stepdads friends when I was about 10 or 11ish but Return of The Jedi was my introduction to Star Wars at 8. The sound in that theater was glorious, you really felt it! I refuse to see this or any other re-release by Disney. I only saw the one of The Phantom Menace when Lucasfilm was trying to give all of the films the 3D treatment. Boy that was awful. I have the Definitive collection and that special edition boxset and love them but I will always choose the 4k77 and 4k83 presentations until something ever becomes official.
Where i saw Jedi it wasn't first run or TAP program aligned. It was 1985 at a 2 screen theater Jordan Marsh. Carebears movie was sold out we were given free tickets to see JEDI. Where i was sitting you were off kilter from the screen. The sound also wasn't very good. Its still left a profound impression on me.
I was blessed to see two of the original Star Wars films at the London Premiere screenings. The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi at the Odeon Leicester Square. Never saw Star Wars, just a bit too young. The closest I got to Star Wars was on 20th Century-Fox Video Pre-Cert in the early 1980's in Britain. Lucas never really had any intentions of properly restoring the original trilogy of films. Those LaserDisc versions were as far as Lucas went back in the day. Lucas's revisionist attitude was his undoing in my book. The Special Editions were a abomination, and I never once bought into buying the revised trilogy back in the day, but many did. Fooled and once again tempted by the considerable marketing campaign pushed out by Fox, but like you said, the presentations were beautifully re-constructed, I was so disgruntled and miffed with Lucas, but Lucas created the films for himself, and gave them over to the fans and wider cinema audiences, and then did the unthinkable, and the rest was history. Lucas sells out, and hands over a viable franchise to a new breed of executives who decide to inject their own brand of agenda driven muck. I can watch the trilogy without any regard to the Disney tripe. You just block it out. Enjoy the ride and try to imagine Star Wars looking the way it should, if only....To dream the impossible dream in a distant streaming galaxy far, far away.
I'd love to hear you talk about the modern day theater experience more😊
You brought up great points regarding how many times the Star Wars trilogy was changed multiple times, re-issues onto home media and the way the sound was remixed many times. Back in last May, I still wanted to see Return of the Jedi regardless of what edition it was and I couldn’t miss it, because it is still my second favorite Star Wars film behind A New Hope. I still had a beautiful time seeing one of my favorite movies on the big screen and I didn't really mind the changes made over the years. Again, you still covered great points and this was still a very good commentary. You got yourself a new subscriber. 🙂
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the screening.
I’d like to be able to do that again at some point but it would have to be an older print because the changes drive me crazy so much.
I saw Return of the Jedi on its opening weekend in 1983 in 70mm Six-Track Dolby Stereo. I saw it again Monday evening with my 9 year old daughter and wife. Nothing, absolutely nothing, compares to the awesomeness of that 1983 presentation. Even though it was a 35mm blow up to 70mm, the film resolution and audio quality were both stunning. Monday night in DCP was just...okay. It looked soft and flat. The audio was just...there. Passable, but blah. It's amazing that 40 years later we've backtracked on what is considered "high quality" in movie theaters. Of course, the Special Edition bits were very annoying, distracting, and out-of-place. My daughter, who hasn't seen Episodes 1 - 3, asked who the young man standing next to Yoda and Ben was. Of course, she didn't know, because it made absolutely no sense that Luke would see the younger version of his father instead of what he looked like when he died.
It’s definitely got to be beyond frustrating when you have the original experience in your memory and made all the worse by having to try and explain to the next generation!!
I guarantee you if it had been the 1997 SE print in spite of the changes the experience would have been so much better.
The state that THX is in, and Razor owning it, I don't think theatrical THX or TAPP is making a comeback anytime soon sadly in the digital age. (A man can dream though right) and this is with the so-called Cinemark upgrades to their XD theaters back in 2018.
I live in the UK an over the last 30 years it's been sad to see the Americanisation of the cinematic experience. Much to the detriment of film lovers. Small independent cinemas have all-but been wiped out and replaced with big chains owned by shady asset management conglomerates. They've largely moved out of urban centres and gorgeous centuries old, purpose-built auditoriums and into ugly retail parks.
I remember when Chris Nolan sent out 35mm prints of Dunkirk. I want to see one and it was a blurry, out of focus mess because nobody on the staff knew how to handle 35mm film. Because they aren't trained in anything except how to sell fast food. Even the rare arts council subsidised arthouse cinemas are pretty hit and miss when it comes to exhibition. Everyman Cinemas are supposed to be our premium cinema chain but really their value-added is that they have nicer decor and catering.
First generation SW fan here, although I was only 5 when I saw SW for the first time here in UK in 1978. By the time 1997 came around, I was able to see SW in one of the few THX TAP certified cinemas here (a round trip of 4 hours to see). And it was absolutely glorious. Bought the NTSC SE laserdisc set, also glorious. And since then its been a downhill slide with newer revisions, varying picture quality and issues and the same with the sound mixes. On the cinema presentation front, some cinemas/screens have kept up the quality, usually meaning a 2 hour round trip to get to one of the decent ones. Otherwise my cinema going has dropped off sharply in the last decade, in part due to declining standards. I too have experienced underlit bulbs in the celluloid film era, blown speaker cones etc.
I did see the ROTJ SE 40th rerelease and as much as I enjoyed seeing the film on the big screen at a good cinema/screening, it also serviced to amplify the issues I have with the sound mix, the colour timing and the digital revisions upon digital revisions stacked atop one another. The difference in experience of the ROTJ 40th anniversary vs the Nolan ‘unrestored’ 70mm presentation of 2001 A Space Odyssey in 2018 was stark, the latter being an almost transcendently good viewing experience.
Well some of the audio elements have degraded due to time. Star Wars doesn't sound good at all. Empire is decent. Empire had more DNR done to it. I'm speaking of the 4K and Blu reissue.
I seriously wonder what most people under 30 would think of Star Wars if the Special Editions didn't exist.
Back in December when the Avatar sequel was released, I remember one of the twenty somethings I work with said the first Avatar had great fx "for its time." And many of these CZcams reaction videos have similar comments when they watch the original Chris Reeve Superman films, saying the fx are good "for the 70s."
No one is allowed to appreciate work as it was and on top of that some won Oscars for their efforts that have been erased from viewable and accessible versions.
I know it's the 40th Anniversary of THX and I know it isn't used as often as it used to, but I think they should open new THX Ultimate Cinema theaters across America and probably create a new logo in honor of the anniversary. One place I can think of is where the old IMAX theater once stood at Newport on the Levee where I live. The IMAX is now part of the AMC and they have a Dolby Cinema too. So I figured for THX Ultimate Cinema, they could either place it in the outside building where the IMAX once stood or place it in Screen 20 on the right side of the building while Screen 1 on the left side has a Prime at AMC theater. Do you think these ideas would be amazing to add to the AMC cinema at Newport on the Levee? If you agree, I think we should find a way to ask the people who work at that particular location to add a Prime at AMC in Screen 1 and a THX Ultimate Cinema in Screen 20. So what do you say?
I concur with the actual Star Wars day being May 25; amen. Still, seeing Star Wars in a cinema is amazing. ❤❤
What are your thoughts on live to picture presentations; an orchestra plays the music in synch to the film.
I agree with your take on the modern movie theater customer experience. I would like to hear more of your thoughts on the subject.
The one movie theater near me i have seen most of tge good and classic films at dud at one point fall into disrepair eg. broken speakers,holes in theater screen,completely broken seats,seats that wouldn't lean back amymore. I haven't seen a movie in the theater since the last Star Wars film came out so 2019. I have a decent sound system in my bed room and a good one in my living room and prefer to watch a movie in the comfort of my own home.
You should do a home theatre set-up tour! I think people would love to see how you watch your movies.
I saw this movie in the theater a few days ago. I thought that the sound and the picture quality inside the movie theater were very good. I thought that the movie itself in terms of the special effects and set design all looked very good. The only things that I found grating were some of the CGI and audio changes from the blu-ray release and from the earlier special editions, such as the new song numbers at Jabba's palace and Vader yelling "no!!!" as he picks up the Emperor and tosses him into the abyss. I am not disagreeing with any of your points though. You can spend your money more wisely than buying a movie ticket.
Agreed. I have a nine year old kid. If Star Wars is in theaters, we go. I would love an actual rerelease, but I have a strong feeling that won’t happen for a while.
I cant agree with the poster comment, inthink it is absolutely amazing, and id say seeing it in theatre would be a plus with the size of the screen and other people with you
Im a purist love the despecialized editions and the 4k projects. I went 2x and had fun. Sometimes you got to shut the brain off and enjoy it. Saw star wars in imax in 1997 it was awesome. As a kid saw jedi in 83 and 85. So i felt like a kid again.
I get that. I definitely would've gone if it was a print of the 97 SE.
29:29 I always assumed that George Lucas did exactly this 😂 It makes sense in my opinion given his past comments. He definitely resents the fact that no one likes his changes.
In the past Lucas has claimed that it is impossible to release original versions of the original trilogy, because they recut the original negatives to make the Special Edition so he said that the original versions are "gone"
Yeah, he used to make that statement and it got floated around a lot, but that’s a very dubious claim since it would have been insanity to do something asinine like that. And there’s been no evidence of it.
I agree with you about the may 4th day that it later on in May I agree with you
I live in the UK and while cinemas have definitely gone down hill, it doesn’t sound as bad as in the USA - I generally go to an independent cinema, it costs a bit more, but you can rent a sofa and get a pizza during the film - problem is, it’s rare I fancy seeing a new release anymore as 95% of stuff pumped out is crap 😂 As for Starwars, yes clearly Disney don’t like money, I’m fortunate enough to have the despecialised edition of the trilogy on blu ray (a high quality fan recreation of the unaltered trilogy) back when I got the discs they were quite freely available on eBay, but since then Micky Mouse has cracked down.
I saw it last night, saw it at a Cinemark XD screen, picture was scrubbed throughout, barely any grain, audio was fine, but again I usually watch the 35mm fan restored version
I dont go to the theater any more because there is no more etiquette from the audience. Rude people on their phones, talking etc. Also film studios insult the audience on social media if it does poor or criticism is negative. Those are my reasons besides the technical issues. Sound quality is bad
Sound quality is usually very good where i go, but they never replace the bulbs on the projector and the picture quality is worse than watching a blu ray disc at home. One of the very worst experiences was seeing Dark Knight rises digitally. Another Force Awakens on a screen with a tear going through it. and they had the audacity to charge 30 dollars for a ticket.
I watched your older star wars video and other videos before but I still forget which is the best version to buy for home video release.. which would you recommend? Is the star wars limited edition widescreen dvds the best for not adding stuff?
It’s a bit of a complicated answer, depending on what you’re looking for and what formats you have access to. For the most unaltered official release version that is actually letterboxed you have to go to the Laserdisc format and the best overall budget option are the original fox special widescreen editions. The technidisc reissue of Star Wars in that cover design is the best looking transfer of Star Wars on the format.
For DVD, the best option os still unfortunately the 2006 limited bonus DVDs, which are essentially just ports of the 1993 definitive collection Laserdisc masters with lossy audio. So you can get those masters on laser disc with better PCM audio for usually much less than you can get the 2006 DVDs anymore.
But there are definitely imitations in that master and it’s not completely original. The one thing they did do on those 2006 DVDs was splice in an original 1977 title crawl on to the Laserdisc master weirdly.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Thank you!
Speaking of the 25th, have you seen the film 5-25-77? If you saw the original release of Starwars in a theater and grew up reading Starlog magazine you should see this movie!
here's another historical fact about Return of the Jedi, not only is it the first film to use THX.
It's also the first Three-qual movie to be selected for preservation.
Its unfortunate that this company no longer exist after 2010. I may have had painful yet traumatizing memories of hearing these erries sounds from THX when watching certain movies that I would have on VHS or DVDs. Nevertheless, it did had some impact on life, one way or the other.
The Astor in Melbourne ran ROTJ in 35mm last weekend. I was 3 hours away & unable to attend so can’t confirm if it was the SE or Original cut. Cheers Rod
Most likely the 1997 since that was the last time prints were struck.
Probably yes 👍
As far as I know any 35mm screenings will be the 97SE as no prints have been made of the 04, 11 or 19 SEs. If it is anything pre-97SE print wise LFL had been known to sometimes show up if they catch wind and demand prints be handed over. The one official screening was at the Academy of a 70mm Star Wars print a few years ago.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Hey Spencer, confirmed it was the ‘97 Print. They ran a 35mm 6 Film Star Wars marathon over this weekend & all of the OT films were ‘97 prints. Cheers Rod
I will be spinning Empire JSC tonight, and Return of the Jedi JSC on May 25.
Releasing the original 1977, 1980 & 1983 theatrical versions of the films was the only reason I cared about Disney buying the property. I had no interest in watching any of Disney produced star wars films.
More than 10 years on, we're still without a release for those first 3 movies in the form they should be seen in. Disney's complete lack of interest in legally putting those versions back out on the market despite the massive interest on the part of the consumer and the relative easy of restoring the films, proves definitely that Disney only sees star wars the way that George Lucas ultimately did; as a cash cow.
I despise any version of these movies from 1997 and on and I have long since lost all patience for watching any special edition version for any of the 3 films. This and the original dragon ball properties consistently receive some of the worst releases on home video because the rights holders are always going with the path of least resistance.
What about the original Laserdisc Box Set release (I have it)?
It depends on which LD boxset you mean. In the US there's the 1993 Definitive Collection and 1997 Special Edition. In Japan they had several different ones and so on.
I rarely go to Movie Theatres, I go between three to five times a year, the last movie I saw in a theatre was Thor: Love and Thunder and that was back in July of 2022. The next movie I want to see in the theatre is Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
I agree, the THX system was great, and it really sucks that nowadays most people don’t care about the best picture and sound quality anymore for movies anymore cause so many mistakes are being made.
Dial of Destiny is the next thing that will drag me back and to be honest I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which theater to go to. It's Disney so I expect a wimpy sound mix and no premium engagements so the faux premium screens around me will be a joke. I'll probably spring for the 30 min drive and extra cost of our only Dolby Cinema location because at least that will guarantee 4K Dolby Vision and Atmos though AMC ruins those halls with stupid seat transducers so your butt can rumble. That was where I saw Top Gun Maverick just to hear the Atmos mix.
There are two theatres near me. One is a ten minute walk from my home, it opened in 2021, it is very nice, but they don't have Dolby Vision and Atmos.
The other theatre is a fifteen minute drive from my home and they do have Dolby Vision and Atmos. I always take the bus when I go to that theatre though because parking there is a frigging nightmare.
I meant to see Top Gun: Maverick in the theatre but I didn't get around to it. But I borrowed a DVD copy of Top Gun: Maverick from the Public Library back in February and I thought it was great!
Considering that digital sound by its very nature has less frequencies and the complete lack of care for even sound mixing and everything else in general even in the theatres, wouldn't the modern stratosphere actually be significantly worse than it was pre 83 as well? There are stories on the internet where people went to see 70mm presentations back in the late 70s and 80s and seem to recall very well that no experience in the theatres later on came close to matching those presentations in general. I find that to be more believable every single day.
I was lucky to be taken to Toronto as a child to see the first three SW films, and am probably in the minority to preferring the Special Editions to the originals. JEDI was a 70mm Dolby Stereo presentation and it was stunning. I don't go to the theater anymore as the presentation quality is so poor. It's ironic that JEDI was the first unofficial THX-certified release, yet the score soundtrack sounds so murky and awful.
the 50th of THX 1138 was two years ago. And of Lucasfilm itself. No original film. No Star Wars, No Empire. Now no Jedi. Just the 2020 Special Edition. I'm sure when the 4K eventually comes out for THX, Graffiti they will be the messed with versions. Willow probably will also be dnr to hell. Can't hope for any quality release from Lucasfilm. I saw the special editions in Sony theaters. in 1997. Star wars in SDDS. It was incredible despite the changes.
Graffiti has been overdue for a new transfer for years. And of course not only was the end text changed along with sound remixed into Dolby Stereo on the 1978 reissue, but the opening shot was digitally tweaked in the 90s.
Poor THX is screwed because I'm sure all the hideous DC 2004 changes were done in a lower resolution anyway. The sound mix there is nuts and in no way does that version resemble the 1978 Lucas recut or the 1971 studio release version.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader , even the prequel has gotten worse. Phantom Menace sounds better on laserdisc than any other version. Lucas thinks he keeps improving things. I despise the changes in the DVD AND BLU-RAY AND 4K. Cgi Yoda is bad. Ewan was acting to the Puppet the cgi doesn't match.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Oh geez the TPM theatrical EX mix on the Japanese LD is still demo material to this day. They have screwed even that film over multiple times now.
It is extremely asinine that the "Original Theatrical Unaltered Versions" of The Star Wars Trilogy still have not been restored in HD and released on Blu-Ray and 4K Disc. I too have been saying for years now that the only way there will be another successful home video release of the Original Trilogy if the unaltered versions are included.
When you really think about it, George Lucas didn't really have the right to create the "Special Edition" versions of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi because he didn't direct them.
Over the years I have done lots of research regarding the creation of the Special Edition versions from 1997, and even though they had the unnecessary alterations made, the photochemical restoration process that had to be performed on the trilogy was properly done. The restorations that have been performed since then have flaws although I haven't seen the newer transfers that the 4K Disc and remastered Blu-Ray editions from 2020 are sourced from.
I've always preferred the unaltered versions of the Original Trilogy. A couple of the reasons for why I absolutely still love watching them is because first off they were the first versions I ever saw of the trilogy and it reminds me of how great they already were to begin with. The special and visual effects in the unaltered versions were superb!
I still have my 2-Disc Limited Edition DVD sets from 2006 that have the unaltered versions sourced from the 1993 Video Masters that were used for the Definitive Collection. The 2.0 Surround Mixes from 1993 are still my favourite audio mixes for the trilogy. Those 2-Disc DVD sets are quite difficult to find now.
One last time was the line and they really meant it. It was intended to be never released again. The 2006 bonus disc happened because of Jim Ward. I think George really meant for it to remain in obscurity. He said its on VHS if you want to see it.
Apparently the original plan was to create the special edition of just Star Wars. Creating special edition versions of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi was an afterthought.
In 1988, George Lucas spoke at Congress regarding how he was against altering movies. He even mentioned that Black & White movies could be colourized using computers and the soundtracks could be changed but it was wrong to do that because classic movies need to be preserved in their original form so future generations could experience them like that.
Then that very same George Lucas later on would heavily alter Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jed more than once. Then he intentionally has withheld the unaltered versions from the fans.
Great video! The Special Editions are annoying but it was nice to see Jedi on the big screen again.
What do you think about 4K83?
It’s great for what it is and absolutely ridiculous that fans have had to go to these lengths and have done more for preserving films than the rights owners ever have.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader , the film exists in separate pieces. Lucas said so himself in Anatomy of a Dewback he saved everything. What we have is a 1997 negative intercut with the new cgi and recomped effects. But nothing was destroyed or thrown away. He just deliberately made sure the original cuts have no restoration print so they can't be released again. It could he done.
Tough but fair.
Like Tuco.
Greetings from Santiago de Chile. I really wish that someday Disney decide to license Star Wars to a label boutique that could -once and for all- release NON Special Edition in 4K. These could apply to some titles of their catalogue are not interesting for the "Disney+ Audience" that don't care about aspect ratio, audio mixes, etc. I know this could be a little expensive but is better to have the work done right for home video where you can enjoy it with people that really care. Here in Chile many theaters have decided to project movies dub in latin spanish and I really can't stand it. Is not the same to hear the voice of Christian Bale giving an Oscar level performance than of another actor that dubs Homer Simpson, Harrison Ford or even John Wayne. And if that is not enough punishment, many english versions are projected in late screenings which is a real pain if you leave far away from the movie theater. So, I prefer to invest my money in buying 4K and stop worrying because the chilean theater owners would not change their mind any time soon. Adiós amigo.
There really is no reason they couldn’t since they seem to not want to bother. The fan made Project Threepio subtitles preservation along with trying to preserve original foreign language dubs is one of the most important things the fan community has ever done IMO.
12:13a.m. 1/29/2024
I have the three films on VHS plus The Planet of the Apes 5 films
Today: Home theater>cinemas
Love jedi i seen it in the cinema 🎥 in England in 83 i was 13 👌👌 iv lost the will to live with the new star wars projects new films tv series etc so tired with it , there milking starwars dry imo to me The true starwars is the original trilogy i pretend the rest never happened 😔😅
10:53 There will be some sort of clause in the merger contract that forbids Disney from altering Lucas' work, especially when you consider Lucas is a big supporter for artists not having their work altered or ruined after they are no longer attached to it. Kathleen Kennedy briefly hinted towards it in an interview during a red carpet event for one of the Disney sequels (TFA I think). Hoping or waiting for the day Disney release the 'unaltered' editions of the movies is just a pipe dream, not just because of the legal and creative aspects but also the logistical aspects of it (for the special editions the original negative was altered, etc).
The rumors and quotes about the negatives being altered or conformed, is actually hogwash and has been proven so a number of times. They also have all the theatrical mixes digitally archived already, and have had so for years.
I mentioned that about possibly being a contract clause out of speculation, but the only thing we’ve heard officially is that their position is not to go against his wishes. So it seems like there’s nothing actually stopping them, but I did want to consider any potential hurdles.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader I have no doubt that somewhere there will be an archived copy of the main theatrical release but going off of official Lucasfilm press statements, the negative does not exist in it's original form since it was recut for the special editions. There are news segments from the release of the SEs that shows how they took the negative apart to be washed and then recomposited to create the new editions.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader what's the proof that the negatives being altered is "hogwash?" I really doubt the original negative hasn't been changed.
Agree completely. I hate the special editions and while the image from the 90s special editions do look far better than the current 4ks you are spot on with the cgi being hd or 1k. When you watch the dvd discs I have you can see the how fuzzy the image is compared to everything else in the scene.
I went to a Theater In south texas and the image for Halloween ends was horrible. When I bought the 4K and watched at home I was blown away with how milky the blacks were and just how little resolution the big screen was when I saw just how crisp and clear the disc was from home.
Have that happen with other before but it’s always the digital theaters. Imax film is the only thing I find worth the money while also being close enough for me to go
35mm shows that occasionally happen at my local arthouse are the only things I go to theatrically these days.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader wish more theaters ram film. People would go to see that more often especially the classics for a rerelease
Grouchy. 😂
Such a waste
Disney one don't count. The prequels are ok
i have a soft spot for Phantom Menace, its just okay. I like parts of but not the whole of Revenge of the Sith. Attack of the clones is kind of awful except for a couple of scenes i liked. Last Jedi is an interesting one off but damaging to the Saga, The Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker are JJ Abrams fanfiction.
Regarding the SPECIAL EDITIONS: I will NEVER understand the obsession of certain SW fans bemoaning George Lucas for his Special Edition changes, and their preference to watching bootleg "despecialized" versions instead... To those people all I can say is this:
I am a 1st generation SW fan who has been there from the very beginning... I saw Star Wars in 1977 at age 10... I lived through the phenomenon of the Original Trilogy, and I am the BIGGEST SW fan that you could ever find... I lived it and breathed it... and I am here to say that I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with the Special Editions... I absolutely LOVE the changes that Lucas made, and the VERY FEW "minor changes" that I maybe am not as big a fan of have NEVER made me want to seek out some fan-made bootleg (which I hate to break it to you, but those aren't 100% "original" either!)... And even if the original versions ever DID become commercially available, I would STILL prefer to watch the Special Editions!... What a remarkable gift from Lucas those are!... It is just funny to me that if there was EVER someone that might be "offended" by the SE's and would want to go on and on about it, I MIGHT be a prime candidate, right?... Well, I am NOT.
However, In the end, we are ALL Star Wars fans, and that's all that matters!
PS: I LOVE "Jedi Rocks", and Hayden's force ghost at the end... PERFECTION!
And John Williams' new end victory music is MUCH better than "Yub Nub"!
HAPPY MAY THE FOURTH EVERYBODY!
I agree completely. I saw all three films originally (I was eight when I saw STAR WARS) and I vastly prefer the refurbished Special Editions to the originals. I don't understand why people obsess over them so.
I get that sentiment but the greatest issue is the suppression of the original films in their original form and on top of that the hard work of the people who made them has been changed, tweaked or even erased.
It’s fine if someone wants to make a new version of a film but the original edition should ALWAYS be kept in circulation. I think Lucas made a similar mistake with THX 1138 which is in my opinion ruined in the 2004 director’s cut.
Yep. I prefer Blade Runner The Final Cut but all…5? Versions are easily available, as it should be.
Wish it was the same for SW. I was 10 when SE came out and I liked it because more stuff. I still appreciate aspects of SE but some I can’t stand. Would be nice to have everything available. I still wonder if Disney will do it when George passes or something as a last ditch cash grab.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader I absolutely LOVE what George Lucas did with the THX-1138 Director's Cut as well... He really opened up that world for me with his amazing additions... I guess that I should just consider myself "lucky" that these things give me great joy instead of giving me a great headache!
I smell a troll.....